Random Thoughts About the Org and Dusks.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Okay, so we've heard several times about the members of the former Organization XIII being threatened with transformation into Dusks. Lines like "Sure but I'm not getting turned into a Dusk for" and "So, turning me into a Dusk." are spoken by Axel. Now with 3D basically saying that the members of the Org are practically no different than humans I'm wondering if it was just an empty threat to keep the rowdier members in line. If not than is it possible for Xehanort to turn humans into Dusks or does the process require that the victims heart be undeveloped? Just what is the process of turning a human form Nobody into a Dusk anyway. And, if Xemnas claimed to have this power then why didn't Axel ever wonder why he didn't just simply turn the suspected traitors into Dusks instead of shipping them off to CO and having him eliminate them. In fact if Xemnas could turn the other members into Dusks then why did they even need to put Axel into the role of assassin in the first place?

 

So many questions.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Sora_Kuno

[MrSanderss 80]

Threatening to turn them into dusks could scare them into doing his bidding, hence why Axel tried to kill Roxas.  Axel wasn't trying to betray the org or anything, he just didn't wanna kill Roxas.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

When I say "suspected traitors" I'm talking about Marlixia, Larxene and the other that were sent to CO ahead of him. Not Axel. Axel's job in the Organization was to "eliminate the traitors". I'm saying why did Xemnas need someone to do that if he could just turn them into Dusks. I get that threatening Axel was to insure that he obeyed but what about the others whom it was Axel's job to kill. Couldn't the threat work just as well on them so that they wouldn't have needed to be rounded up? The only explanation is that Xemnas doesn't havr that kind of power. But, if that was the case then, then didn't Axel ever once think " If he can do that to us then why does he need me to do these icky jobs in the first place. Couldn't he just turn 'em all in to Dusks and be done with it?"

[Silent 824]

I read that as "Random Thoughts About The Org and Ducks" I am a little disappointed.

[Ruran 481]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was an empty threat, it wouldn't be the first lie.

 

But for the sake of conversation, let's say that Xemnas could definitely turn the Org. members into Dusks. I assume the process wouldn't be that easy because as you've pointed out, if Xemnas had that sort of power why doesn't he use on the traitors. Perhaps it was do to some sort of sciencey thing that he/Vexen/with the help of Vexen/someone one in the Org. whipped up that can make humanoid Nobodies reverse. Like some kind of machine that absorbs their powers. Which, taking into consideration the kind of scientific things the six apprentices did in the past (create a machine that churns out artificial Heartless) and the research they still did afterwards (Replicas and Namine was a test subject for memories) I wouldn't be surprised if they had some sort of machine or machines that affects Nobodies.      

[Ptolema 404]

Okay, so we've heard several times about the members of the former Organization XIII being threatened with transformation into Dusks. Lines like "Sure but I'm not getting turned into a Dusk for" and "So, turning me into a Dusk." are spoken by Axel. Now with 3D basically saying that the members of the Org are practically no different than humans I'm wondering if it was just an empty threat to keep the rowdier members in line. If not than is it possible for Xehanort to turn humans into Dusks or does the process require that the victims heart be undeveloped? Just what is the process of turning a human form Nobody into a Dusk anyway. And, if Xemnas claimed to have this power then why didn't Axel ever wonder why he didn't just simply turn the suspected traitors into Dusks instead of shipping them off to CO and having him eliminate them. In fact if Xemnas could turn the other members into Dusks then why did they even need to put Axel into the role of assassin in the first place?

 

So many questions.

 

It could have been an empty threat, considering every thing Xemnas has lied about.

 

But, remember Nobodies are basically made of Nothingness. They don't exist by most standards. And Xemnas's attribute is Nothingness. So maybe he was able to actually turn them into Dusks.

 

Personally, I think that, considering the true purpose of the Organization, Xemnas simply had no use for the traitors, and if he turned them into Dusks and let them roaming around they could prove a threat because of what they knew of the Organization. So, they next logical option would have been to eliminate their existence. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

 He could be lying but i also think xemnas was just a lazy bum  .All he did was sit on his ass having everyone else do his work/bidding. Heck , he didn't even issue orders, he had Saix do it lol ..Therefore even assassinating members (or turning them to dusks for that matter) was too much work so Axel was assigned to do it even if Xemnas could actually turn them into dusks .Mainly though, he used it as incentive aka a threat to do his bidding .Afterall, he used the whole organization as pawns .

[panosgate7 52]

Just take a look at 0:50

 

 

Xemnas does have the power to turn somebody into a dusk...I just don't know why he didn't use it on the organization's traitors!!!!

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Just take a look at 0:50

 

 

Xemnas does have the power to turn somebody into a dusk...I just don't know why he didn't use it on the organization's traitors!!!!

 

Most of us have already seen this, the problem is we don't know if  he actually could do it since we have never SEEN him do it ..Threatening with some type of energy/magic display doesn't mean he actually can , just that he at least wants it to appear as though he can . However, I still think it's possible he can .Just sayin'

[Ultima Spark 753]

Because Xemnas has a huge ego. Why should he do the "icky jobs" when his minions can do them just as well?

Edited December 23, 2012 by Ultima Spark

[Ptolema 404]

I think Xemnas can turn them into Dusks, as he controls nothing and Nobodies are made of nothing. However... he just wanted them dead because they wouldn't serve in his grand plans or something.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

The specifications of the Duskification process is unclear, but I don't think it's an empty threat.  You brought up a good point as to why Xemnas didn't just Duskify the traitors instead of going through the trouble of sending them to CO and having Axel off them.  I have a theory--if Xemnas Duskified, say, Marluxia, the other traitors would get suspicious.  They'll know Xemnas was onto them and they might try to do something, perhaps not directly, but being more secretive and making it harder for Xemnas to take care of them.  Axel picking them off one by one is a more inconspicuous way to do it, since it'll seem like it's on Axel's agenda instead (and it is).

[Ruran 481]

In retrospect, if killing off traitors or anyone who steps out of line is a much more convenient way of dealing with members then the threat of Duskifing is pretty superfluous.  

[Dracozombie 4,554]

In retrospect, if killing off traitors or anyone who steps out of line is a much more convenient way of dealing with members then the threat of Duskifing is pretty superfluous.  

 

Probably, but I figured that just killing 'em would be more convenient if there were more than one.  If it was Marluxia and only Marluxia who was out to betray the Organization, then Xemnas might have just shrugged and Duskified him.  But since there were multiple members, the Duskifying method would make the traitors suspicious, so the Axel method would be more preferable in that situation.

 

My question is that, if Xemnas is willing to kill/Duskify his members, won't that set the 13 'Norts plan back for every member he offs?  Why not just lock the traitors in a cell and keep doing whatever it is he did to brainwash them into thinking they had no hearts?  It's not like humanoid Nobodies are easy to come by.

[Ruran 481]

Probably, but I figured that just killing 'em would be more convenient if there were more than one.  If it was Marluxia and only Marluxia who was out to betray the Organization, then Xemnas might have just shrugged and Duskified him.  But since there were multiple members, the Duskifying method would make the traitors suspicious, so the Axel method would be more preferable in that situation.

 

My question is that, if Xemnas is willing to kill/Duskify his members, won't that set the 13 'Norts plan back for every member he offs?  Why not just lock the traitors in a cell and keep doing whatever it is he did to brainwash them into thinking they had no hearts?  It's not like humanoid Nobodies are easy to come by.

 

Even before the 'Norts plan I found the way that Xemnas disposed of his own members kind of strange considering that humanoid Nobodies are hard to find. Even without that plan presented you'd think Xemnas would be more concerned about membership issues since Org. 13 was always a small group. Can we chalk it up to Xemnas thinking that the Replica program would go better? Had it been more successful using replicas might have been a suitable substitute for Nobodies in the "'Nortification" process.