Random forum rule

[hatok 6,413]

I've been bringing this up in a bunch of topics lately, but nobody is heeding me

This new random rule

Makes

No

Sense

 

First of all, it's being enforced very selectively, and only just recently. But beyond that, it has severe ramifications for the culture of KH13.

The MOST popular threads in random are about specific members. It was very special to me when my Marriage of Daniel Chiuchiarelli and Aaron McNabb became popular. It was my first real KH13 success, or indeed, online success of any sort. Under this new rule, that topic wouldn't exist. MOST of the topics in random wouldn't exist. i|t's full of in jokes. I understand that might be frustrating, but the inside jokes are vital for member retention. Sooner or later, people aren't going to stick around here just for KH news (Especially during a dry spell like now) but if they have a deep community driven culture to return to, it's hard to drop. I can say with 100% faith that I will leave KH13 if we lose the ability to express this freedom. The driving force behind keeping members for a logn term is that there ARE inside jokes that you can strive to understand, and eventually these members will make their own.But there's more than that. I'm willing to bet that if I made a thread tomorrow called "Cella's Pants" it wouldn't get deleted, instead, most of the mods and older members would probably Like it, instead. Now you may argue "But that's a part of KH13 history, it's more of a widely known meme , it's not just about one member" But HOW os anybody else supposed to obtain that if everything like that will be deleted on sight?

In a similar breath, I'm willing to bet that if I made another Conspiracy Theory video, it wouldn't be deleted. KI won't though, it's unfair that this rule is being treated selectively. But besides that, if this rule is 100% enforced, what am I supposed to do? Start posting "Cheesecake Banna so randum!" or reposting 9gag pictures?

 

I'm pretty sure I'm reaching the Too Long, Didn't Read range, so here's the basic idea:

 

This new rule is essentially undercutting the creative culture of KH13. It's trying to remove inside jokes from a forum, and that is not a good thing. KH13 would not be the same place without Ariel, or Koko=Satan, or the resident "trolls", or bayTrey, or even the Zexy Party Time. It's not the same without piss parties, or Aqua's boobs, or so many other things

 

Keep KH13, KH13

 

[Master Juan 574]

"The butt is hurt in this one"- Yoda

[Blake 776]

and we have a thread SPECIFICALLY for our in-jokes. What's the point for that thread if we can't goof around and poke fun at ourselves and others on the site? It'll take most of the random out of random. Not cool.

[VisitJoan 2,713]

The thing I'm wondering is, why me?  Why do all of my threads get locked buy only few of the ones the others post?  I understand having rules and all that but I feel like that's unfair.  If you're going to lock threads, lock everyone's.

[Obi-wan 411]

Got agree with you guys this is just unfair. What's the point in this section if we can't joke around to our hearts content?

[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

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[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Agreed .The double standards on this site need to go .

[Arya Stark 1,337]

Haven't been out long enough to see this,but if it's happening, going to agree with hatok. Rules are important, but the poking fun, and inside jokes are really what drew me in in the first place, not to mention kept me around (sort of). The inside jokes and member connections made me want to be part of the community, and eventually have my own.

[Snow 1,800]

I don't see a problem with the new rule, really, nobody really is going to make a thread about a specific member anyway. Except maybe hatok and visitjoan. But it's not that big of a deal. It's not like DC is saying "don't post anything at all", just "don't make a thread about a specific member or two".

[Weiss 8,279]

I agree completely. It's like only some of the topics like that are getting locked. Really, a lot of kh13's history is based on those inside jokes. Even most of the threads in the best of kh13 section have those jokes and such in them.

Edited December 2, 2012 by Keysofblades

[baylaust 2,531]

Although I sense that this can only end well, I shall provide my own input:

 

I truly do not see why this rule needs to exist. Isn't the Random forum supposed to be the "do whatever the hell you want" forum? Asides from things that some people might take offense to, which I understand why those would need to be taken down, this forum exists so that people can just have a good time. And some of the best, most popular threads are the ones that were created and addressed to specific members, whether just poking fun or possibly even creating another inside joke. But if this is going to be an enforced rule, have it enforced for everyone. If not, then get rid of it, because honestly, I really don't see the need for this rule. We've had some of the most fun in those kind of threads. And if it weren't for stuff like that to keep me occupied, seeing a thread with my name pop up to have fun in, or the name of someone else and seeing what inside joke awaited inside, I'd probably not hang around nearly as much as I do.

[Jim 2,990]

The mods aren't gonna take this seriously because it's in the random forum

I agree. Even if those type of topics aren't understood by new members, those new members can LEARN about running jokes, etc. here by reading those topics. 

[hatok 6,413]

I don't see a problem with the new rule, really, nobody really is going to make a thread about a specific member anyway. Except maybe hatok and visitjoan. But it's not that big of a deal. It's not like DC is saying "don't post anything at all", just "don't make a thread about a specific member or two".

Okay. What about Amon? Koko? TheApprenticeofKingMickey?baylaust? DChuich? In fact, every member who has been around for a logn enough time, who is decently active, has done this.

YOU'VE done it, though in the writing forum.

[Snow 1,800]

Okay. What about Amon? Koko? TheApprenticeofKingMickey?baylaust? DChuich? In fact, every member who has been around for a logn enough time, who is decently active, has done this.

YOU'VE done it, though in the writing forum.

True I have, but that story is not just about him.

[VisitJoan 2,713]

What I want to know is, if this rule has been around since the 18th of November, then why is it just being enforced now?

[DChiuch 5,773]

Okay guys, relax, you know I'm always up for having an open discussion about these things. No need to rally support.

 

Here's the reasoning that I gave Apprentice before:

 

It's basically that a topic needs to be funny enough by itself, and not depend completely on inside jokes that only a few members know. Someone who's new to the forum needs to be able to look at a topic in Random and get some amusement/interest out of it. So things like the two topics that Apprentice linked, I think are okay [these were http://kh13.com/forum/topic/44912-hatok-the-meaning-behind-the-mask/ and http://kh13.com/forum/topic/44907-koko-wolfgang-and-flaming-lee-im-calling-you-out-also-hawaii/]. Do you think this is for the best? Otherwise it becomes difficult for new members to join in the discussions

 

Perhaps I should amend the rule to better explain this? You guys have to understand though, you make up like 1% of the visitors to KH13. I have to make it a great place for the other 99% of members too, instead of it feeling like a place where everyone knows each other already and has their own well-established culture (which makes it difficult to get new members to feel like they can get involved). If people don't understand what these topics are getting at, it's not a great place for them. If the topics are mostly self-explanatory and the inside joke isn't the whole point, then that's okay.

 

KH13 has always been great because of how easy it is for new members to jump in. We are definitely seen as the friendliest, easiest to join website, and having the Random forum contain lots of topics that are dominated by a few members goes against this. (We don't want to be like KHI.)

[Arya Stark 1,337]

DC, you make it so hard to argue! Could you maybe point out a few examples of threads that would have to be closed down? Just so we can further see your reasoning?

[hatok 6,413]

Okay guys, relax, you know I'm always up for having an open discussion about these things. No need to rally support.

 

Here's the reasoning that I gave Apprentice before:

 

 

 

Perhaps I should amend the rule to better explain this? You guys have to understand though, you make up like 1% of the visitors to KH13. I have to make it a great place for the other 99% of members too, instead of it feeling like a place where everyone knows each other already and has their own well-established culture (which makes it difficult to get new members to feel like they can get involved). If people don't understand what these topics are getting at, it's not a great place for them. If the topics are mostly self-explanatory and the inside joke isn't the whole point, then that's okay.

Well, given that description,I fail to see how those topics warranted a close. The Amon topic is talking about a name of a member, who is male, but the name was given to a female. It also applies to a popular cartoon character.

 

Similarly, the Flaming Lea call out topic was about muffins.

 

Can't really defend the hatok stalking topic, but it's pretty harmless as well. And NOBODY got it, so it wasn't really a inside joke

 

Anyways, I think this rule could scare people away from the random forum, with such ambiguous scrutiny

Edited December 2, 2012 by hatok

[VisitJoan 2,713]

I understand what DC is getting at and I'm not mad because of the new rule.  I'm mad because (1) my thread got locked and hatok's didn't even though they were pretty much the same thing and (2) that it was enforced out of the blue and I just happened to get the short end of the stick.

[baylaust 2,531]

Okay guys, relax, you know I'm always up for having an open discussion about these things. No need to rally support.

 

Here's the reasoning that I gave Apprentice before:

 

 

 

Perhaps I should amend the rule to better explain this? You guys have to understand though, you make up like 1% of the visitors to KH13. I have to make it a great place for the other 99% of members too, instead of it feeling like a place where everyone knows each other already and has their own well-established culture (which makes it difficult to get new members to feel like they can get involved). If people don't understand what these topics are getting at, it's not a great place for them. If the topics are mostly self-explanatory and the inside joke isn't the whole point, then that's okay.

 

KH13 has always been great because of how easy it is for new members to jump in. We are definitely seen as the friendliest, easiest to join website, and having the Random forum contain lots of topics that are dominated by a few members goes against this. (We don't want to be like KHI.)

 

Isn't that the reason so many people loved KH13, and the change from that style being the reason why so many people left in the past? So many members love the close connectivity with others on the site. It makes it feel like more than a forum: a community. If the ability to make threads about these kind of things is taken away, it's like we're losing that close knit feeling that made so many others fall in love with the site in the first place. Like me.

 

Also,

 

"It's basically that a topic needs to be funny enough by itself, and not depend completely on inside jokes that only a few members know."

 

How about this thread: http://kh13.com/forum/topic/23321-kh13s-running-jokes-a-guide-for-newer-members/

 

The reason I made it was to bring together all the inside jokes, to help newer members become closer with the existing community, and to just have fun. But it relied on inside jokes for humour as well. We can explain things to them, or if they're lost, they can ask.

[Sigrun 1,064]

Okay guys, relax, you know I'm always up for having an open discussion about these things. No need to rally support.

 

Here's the reasoning that I gave Apprentice before:

 

 

 

Perhaps I should amend the rule to better explain this? You guys have to understand though, you make up like 1% of the visitors to KH13. I have to make it a great place for the other 99% of members too, instead of it feeling like a place where everyone knows each other already and has their own well-established culture (which makes it difficult to get new members to feel like they can get involved). If people don't understand what these topics are getting at, it's not a great place for them. If the topics are mostly self-explanatory and the inside joke isn't the whole point, then that's okay.

 

KH13 has always been great because of how easy it is for new members to jump in. We are definitely seen as the friendliest, easiest to join website, and having the Random forum contain lots of topics that are dominated by a few members goes against this. (We don't want to be like KHI.)

 

EW KHI, I agree. Once being a n00b myself I was deciding who to join since I was a member of both at one time. KHI wasn't really friendly or easy to join. Their RP Forum SUCKS Being a n00b at that time I felt the most welcome here. Plus KHI members are aggressive as hell. >_>

Edited December 2, 2012 by Sigrun

[theultimatesorafan 684]

I totally agree.

[hatok 6,413]

Isn't that the reason so many people loved KH13, and the change from that style being the reason why so many people left in the past? So many members love the close connectivity with others on the site. It makes it feel like more than a forum: a community. If the ability to make threads about these kind of things is taken away, it's like we're losing that close knit feeling that made so many others fall in love with the site in the first place. Like me.

 

Also,

 

"It's basically that a topic needs to be funny enough by itself, and not depend completely on inside jokes that only a few members know."

 

How about this thread: http://kh13.com/forum/topic/23321-kh13s-running-jokes-a-guide-for-newer-members/

 

The reason I made it was to bring together all the inside jokes, to help newer members become closer with the existing community, and to just have fun. But it relied on inside jokes for humour as well. We can explain things to them, or if they're lost, they can ask.

NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I BEEN SO QUOTA

[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

For those of you exasperated I locked those threads, I was just doing my job. I noticed it and since no other mod had taken care of it, I knew I had to do it. It doesn't necessarily mean I like doing or agree with it. Just so you know.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Close community?  Definitely.  But I had to lurk for quite some time before I had the balls to join a forum like this.  Even after I made an account, it went unused for a further period of time until I took the plunge and made an introductory thread.  And after that, I barely participated in anything until I felt safe enough to truly join in.  Newbie-friendly, this site is not.  It's the price to pay for a close-nit community, an almost total alienation of people who haven't made a name for themselves like you and who have no idea about the in-jokes.  baylaust's in-joke thread barely helped me at all starting out.  I familiarized myself with the people here from the posts they made in the forum at large, not just Random.  The in-joke guide was just some long list of weird quirks of a bunch of total strangers.  Do you think I remembered everything it said?  It functioned more as a memory-refresher than something that helps a newbie.