Ventus = Roxas? [BBS SPOILERS, CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK]

[rho 9]

At the end of BBS, Ven's heart fused into Sora. Ten years later or so, Sora had a nobody created, who we know as being Roxas. Now, let's look at the other nobodies. They look EXACTLY like their counterparts, more or less. Roxas does not. At the start of 358/2 Days, Axel asks Roxas if he's sure that he doesn't have a heart, and Roxas says that he doesn't know for sure.

This is what I'm thinking. Roxas is a clone of Ven made from the heart Ven gave to Sora, but without any memories. Further evidence could be that he is a "special" nobody, and he seemed to be able to have emotions, like crying at the end of 358/2 Days after Xion died.

 

Either that, or he's truly Ven's nobody.

[axel1994 2]

i think that when sora use the darkblade to free kairis heart he also free ventus heart and roxas isnt actually a nobody he is ventus

[Zero 9]

i think that when sora use the darkblade to free kairis heart he also free ventus heart and roxas isnt actually a nobody he is ventus

 

Roxas is a Nobody, he is just a Nobody of Sora and Ven's heart fused together explaining why he looks like Ven. When Sora gave his heart up for Kairi he gave up Ven's too causing the eventual nobody to look like him.

[KeyOfVentus 90]

dont forget, if you played days roxas has power over light, he's just a fabrication of the influence Ven has over Sora's heart.

[Disoriented 1]

[align=center]I had always assumed that when Sora stabbed himself with the Keyblade of People's Hearts in Kingdom Hearts, when his hear was released, Ven's heart was also released, thus returning to Ven's body. But in the process of splitting their hearts apart, Ven lost his memories ( as he had before when his heart was split into two to create Vanitas ) and somehow his body ended up in Twilight Town.

My theory still has many flaws in it, which I'm working on.."o.o[/align]

[rho 9]

^ I think Xion had seen Ven's body in Castle Oblivion, so I don't think that's it. Possibly a clone of sorts of Ven, or Roxas could actually be Ven's nobody.

[Axrat 0]

[align=center]I had always assumed that when Sora stabbed himself with the Keyblade of People's Hearts in Kingdom Hearts' date=' when his hear was released, Ven's heart was also released, thus returning to Ven's body. But in the process of splitting their hearts apart, Ven lost his memories ( as he had before when his heart was split into two to create Vanitas ) and somehow his body ended up in Twilight Town.

My theory still has many flaws in it, which I'm working on.."o.o[/align']

 

That's what I've been thinking, too. If Sora released Kairi's heart, how would Ven's heart not be released? Also, if Roxas is Ven, then that would also reveal (or at least in part) how Kairi was able to return Sora to his human form. Logically, if Roxas was Sora's Nobody, then Sora's body would've been used, no? Thus meaning his heart wouldn't have a body to go to when Kairi returned him to his human form. So my thoughts are either Roxas is Ven, or Ven's body was used instead of Sora's.

 

^ I think Xion had seen Ven's body in Castle Oblivion' date=' so I don't think that's it. Possibly a clone of sorts of Ven, or Roxas could actually be Ven's nobody.[/quote']

 

Xion never made any reference to Ven, other than her appearance to Xigbar - but that was determined from his memories, not her's - and, I can't remember where, but I swear I read in one of the interviews that the Chamber of Awakening can't be found without the person who created Castle Oblivion. (Don't tell me who it is. I already know.)

[Keyblader 325]

Roxas is a Nobody, he is just a Nobody of Sora and Ven's heart fused together explaining why he looks like Ven. When Sora gave his heart up for Kairi he gave up Ven's too causing the eventual nobody to look like him.

 

Sora didn't give his heart for kairi, kairi's heart fused to sora, but something else happened to his heart, i still don't know what happened, but im guessing that sora might not even have a heart, cuz in the rest of the ko cutscenes for sora, he has not heart floating in the air, well re:com and 2

 

ok, i was wrong about having no heart in the death scenes, he has one in re:com and com, just not in two, im no good at this stuff, there are so many more people that know much more about this stuff

[Keyblader 325]

Xion never made any reference to Ven, other than her appearance to Xigbar - but that was determined from his memories, not her's - and, I can't remember where, but I swear I read in one of the interviews that the Chamber of Awakening can't be found without the person who created Castle Oblivion. (Don't tell me who it is. I already know.)

 

i think the chamber of awakening can't be found with out aqua because she has that master's keyblade, and that probably is the only way to get there

[Axrat 0]

 

Xion never made any reference to Ven, other than her appearance to Xigbar - but that was determined from his memories, not her's - and, I can't remember where, but I swear I read in one of the interviews that the Chamber of Awakening can't be found without the person who created Castle Oblivion. (Don't tell me who it is. I already know.)

 

i think the chamber of awakening can't be found with out aqua because she has that master's keyblade, and that probably is the only way to get there

 

I always thought it was because she made the castle too intricate and maze-like for anyone to be able to find it.

 

Like Axel said, finding a specific room is like finding a needle in a haystack. (I think that was regarding Namine, but the concept still fits the Room of Awakening.)

[rho 9]

In Days, I think after she had gone to Castle Oblivion, she told Roxas "he looks exactly like you" at one point. I don't think she'd mention Sora like that, because he doesn't look just like Roxas.

[Axrat 0]

In Days, I think after she had gone to Castle Oblivion, she told Roxas "he looks exactly like you" at one point. I don't think she'd mention Sora like that, because he doesn't look just like Roxas.

 

Remember, a lot of people made remarks to Roxas and Sora about them looking like each other... but then again, how many of those remarks made to Roxas that we assumed to be about Sora were really about Ven? I wonder...

 

Now you've got me thinking! Hmm...

 

Although, there is ONE instance in Agrabah where Carpet mistakes Roxas for a friend, but neither he nor Genie have ever seen him before. Agrabah isn't in Birth by Sleep, if I recall correctly.

[rho 9]

^ Maybe Agrabah will be the new world for the NA release?

 

 

I haven't seen Ven cutscenes from Olympus Coliseum in BBS, but I'm assuming Phil met Ven. In Days, when you get to OC for the first time, and Phil approaches Roxas and Xigbar hides, Phil seems to recognize Roxas quite well and asks him "What took so long? I got everything set up.", possibly thinking he was Ven, or at least recognizing him. He probably didn't remember his name, since he would have been confused when Roxas said his name was Roxas.

[Axrat 0]

^ Maybe Agrabah will be the new world for the NA release?

 

 

I haven't seen Ven cutscenes from Olympus Coliseum in BBS, but I'm assuming Phil met Ven. In Days, when you get to OC for the first time, and Phil approaches Roxas and Xigbar hides, Phil seems to recognize Roxas quite well and asks him "What took so long? I got everything set up.", possibly thinking he was Ven, or at least recognizing him. He probably didn't remember his name, since he would have been confused when Roxas said his name was Roxas.

 

Quite possibly. That, or Carpet is possibly colorblind, since Genie seemed to be clueless.

 

Yeah, Ven does meet Phil, not sure how long they talk for, though. I figured that Phil had all but forgotten Ven in the ten years before Birth by Sleep and Days. He also mistook Roxas for the guy that Hercules had sent, remember. He seems to mistake people for someone they aren't a lot. Also, if he did remember Ven, don't you think he would've been suspicious of Roxas's age? Then again, Phil can't remember how to count... but, that is possible.

 

Man, you're giving me all this stuff to think about now...

[crimsonlonely 0]

woa i was reading this and i was like whoa what the heck and i think what everyone is saying here is that xion is ventus to cause of his memories it makes senes

[crimsonlonely 0]

[align=center]I had always assumed that when Sora stabbed himself with the Keyblade of People's Hearts in Kingdom Hearts' date=' when his hear was released, Ven's heart was also released, thus returning to Ven's body. But in the process of splitting their hearts apart, Ven lost his memories ( as he had before when his heart was split into two to create Vanitas ) and somehow his body ended up in Twilight Town.

My theory still has many flaws in it, which I'm working on.."o.o[/align']

 

That's what I've been thinking, too. If Sora released Kairi's heart, how would Ven's heart not be released? Also, if Roxas is Ven, then that would also reveal (or at least in part) how Kairi was able to return Sora to his human form. Logically, if Roxas was Sora's Nobody, then Sora's body would've been used, no? Thus meaning his heart wouldn't have a body to go to when Kairi returned him to his human form. So my thoughts are either Roxas is Ven, or Ven's body was used instead of Sora's.

 

^ I think Xion had seen Ven's body in Castle Oblivion' date=' so I don't think that's it. Possibly a clone of sorts of Ven, or Roxas could actually be Ven's nobody.[/quote']

 

Xion never made any reference to Ven, other than her appearance to Xigbar - but that was determined from his memories, not her's - and, I can't remember where, but I swear I read in one of the interviews that the Chamber of Awakening can't be found without the person who created Castle Oblivion. (Don't tell me who it is. I already know.)

 

 

ohh i htink i get what your saying since xion came out of sora's memories xion would be more like ventus to xigbar correct O_O omg

[Xblade Aaron 11]

here's my theory, in the beginning of BBS, Sora completes Ven's heart with his light... they share the light so in KH1 when the blade releases that heart aswell as Kairi's, I acually think it's Ven's and Sora turns into a heartless as the darkness overwhelms the light he was sharing with Ven's heart... But Kairi Uses some of her light to restore Sora's. So Roxas/Ven is reborn as Roxas, Roxas being either Ven himself or just Ven's nobody.

[randy keyblade master 0]

its so obvious i mean arent NOBODIES SUPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THERE SOMEBODIES AND ROXAS LOOKS LIKE VEN AND NOT SORA BUT STILLGOT ONE QUESTION Y DOES ROXAS LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE VEN NOT LIKE A FUSION OF SORA AND VEN?????? PLZ SOMEBODY TRY TO ANSWER

[Xenon 0]

its so obvious i mean arent NOBODIES SUPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THERE SOMEBODIES AND ROXAS LOOKS LIKE VEN AND NOT SORA BUT STILLGOT ONE QUESTION Y DOES ROXAS LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE VEN NOT LIKE A FUSION OF SORA AND VEN?????? PLZ SOMEBODY TRY TO ANSWER

 

no roxas is not a fusion of sora and ven

[Sapphrix (twilight denizen) XV 30]

ok, here goes your answers.

Everyone knows that Ventus released his heart to Sora.

if you remember when Sora became a heartless, he was only in that state for a short while.

During this, Roxas could not fully form a body of his own so he made his way into Ven, taking his appearance.

It's all legit. Don't believe me, see the truth your own way.

[RoxasStalker 11]

Wholy ever since Ventus came into the picture things have gotten alot more confusing

[Keyblader 325]

a point is

 

sora's a heart hoarder

[Sapphrix (twilight denizen) XV 30]

That he is. but he's returning the heart in KHIII.

[Axrat 0]

That he is. but he's returning the heart in KHIII.

 

We don't know that for sure. We can assume that he will, but I don't think it's actually been said for sure.

[zaqareemalcolm 0]

I have a theory.

When Sora stabbed himself with the Keyblade of people's hearts,his heart became a heartless,Kairi's heart went back to Kairi,half of Sora's body and soul became Namine and the other half kept Ven's heart and became Roxas.