KH2 Why don't Donald and Goofy remember the tower?

[Roxas Seeking Light 93]

Okay I seem to recall Donald and Goofy going to Yen Sid's tower in Birth By Sleep, but when Sora and them go to the tower in KH2, they act like they don't know who lives there. Am I missing something?

[hatok 6,413]

Bad translation.

It's supposed to be "Master Yen Sid lives here!" not "Master Yen Sid lives here?"

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Plot hole. BBS came out after KH2 and I guess Nomura forgot that info, the same way he forgot who banished Pete and for what reason.

[WakelessDream 2,285]

I thought this was addressed in some interview, where Nomura says the reason was that the appearance of the tower had changed due to yen sid's magic(?) or something along those lines, so it was unfamiliar to them. Don't quote me on this though, I'm not about to go dig up an interview and that explanation sounds kinda iffy.

 

Ehh contrary to what I just said I found the interview:

"In this title, the dark influence of the Heartless isn't breaking down the walls between worlds, so in this period before Gummi Ships, why are Donald and Goofy able to travel to the Mysterious Tower?

Nomura: You can think of it as being thanks to Yen Sid, and also because the Mysterious Tower is a loophole world in the first place, so it comes under slightly different rules than the ones that connect the other worlds. By the way, when Donald and Goofy visit the Mysterious Tower in "KHII", they say "Isn't this tower strange!" even though they know it from "KH BbS". This is because the floors are constructed differently to the previous time they visited, which is strange (laughs)."

Edited November 22, 2012 by WakelessDream

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

I thought it was more of "Master Yen Sid lives in a magical offshoot of Twilight Town!?"

[Jim 2,990]

Maybe their hearts got connected to Yen Sid in a way that made them forget their memories so that they became heartlesses that became nobodies back in time with their memories back at the destiny islands so that they opened the door and ended up only visiting the tower in the realm of darkness and vanitas and stuff

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Because Yen Sid redecorated xDDDD

[hatok 6,413]

  On 11/22/2012 at 7:58 PM, 'Dracozombie' said:

Plot hole. BBS came out after KH2 and I guess Nomura forgot that info, the same way he forgot who banished Pete and for what reason.

 

That was translation. Apparently, in Japanese, the term for royalty has no gender, so they assumed it was Mickey

[JTD95 1,108]

  On 11/22/2012 at 7:58 PM, 'hatok' said:

Bad translation.

It's supposed to be "Master Yen Sid lives here!" not "Master Yen Sid lives here?"

 

But even if they had translated it correctly, Donald still seems pretty surprised when saying it.

 

  On 11/22/2012 at 8:03 PM, 'WakelessDream' said:

"In this title, the dark influence of the Heartless isn't breaking down the walls between worlds, so in this period before Gummi Ships, why are Donald and Goofy able to travel to the Mysterious Tower?

Nomura: You can think of it as being thanks to Yen Sid, and also because the Mysterious Tower is a loophole world in the first place, so it comes under slightly different rules than the ones that connect the other worlds. By the way, when Donald and Goofy visit the Mysterious Tower in "KHII", they say "Isn't this tower strange!" even though they know it from "KH BbS". This is because the floors are constructed differently to the previous time they visited, which is strange (laughs)."

 

Goofy saying the tower is strangely constructed has nothing to do with them not remembering the tower. Edited November 22, 2012 by JTD95

[hatok 6,413]

  On 11/22/2012 at 8:41 PM, 'JTD95' said:

But even if they had translated it correctly, Donald still seems pretty surprised when saying it.

 

Or excited

[JTD95 1,108]

  On 11/22/2012 at 8:56 PM, 'hatok' said:

Or excited

 

He seems more surprised than excited in my opinion. Also, it would seem more natural for Donald and Goofy to make a comment about the tower belonging to Yen Sid the moment they got there. And since they didn't I'm still leaning towards the idea of them somehow forgetting it. Even if that one part was a minor translation error.

[Riku21Terr 214]

  On 11/22/2012 at 7:58 PM, 'Dracozombie' said:

Plot hole. BBS came out after KH2 and I guess Nomura forgot that info, the same way he forgot who banished Pete and for what reason.

 

Guys, it doesn't really matter if it was mickey or minnie, because since they are both king and queen, and since in a romantic pair, they are often stated to be the same person, and I mean II is set over a decade after BBS, so it was probably just a mistake on Donald's part, as its been so long he porbably forgot psecifically who it was who did it, and like the post said in Japan, royalty is probe different. But ya, wouldn't donald & goofy have said something if they had been to the tower b4?

 

There are some continuity errors in KH, but unlike say, the Harry potter films (which i love but still feel very irked as to the damn continutiy errors esp between CoS and PoA) there is at least a logical explanation for them. I mean:

 

Agrabah in KH1/Days (Re:Com/Re:coded don't count as they are just memory/data reconsturctions of the world) looks different from the one in II, but of course that could be because of the Sandstorms in Days and they just rebuild the city

 

Halloweentown in II looking different - The journal even says the town looks different, but possibly they could have rebuilt the whole town on account of Christmas (jack could've stolen some x-mas magic)

 

on the other hand, perhaps it was just the game developers resdigining the worlds as they had more time and space to make them more accurate to the movie

 

In days, the vision Roxas has of Sora fighting the Posessors in wonderland - possibly Roxas could've just been imaging sora fighitng the heartless, or saw sora but his mind misintrpeted the hearltess

 

With ursula, not being remembered in KHII, perhaps they did remember but in sora's case they just didn't say anything, and in ariel's case, she was probably so distraught that she forgot about ursula, and perhaps overlooked it knowing that ursula did have powerful magic

[FireRubies1 1,325]

  On 11/22/2012 at 8:03 PM, 'WakelessDream' said:

". This is because the floors are constructed differently to the previous time they visited, which is strange (laughs)."

 

I thought they were surprised about the tower even before they went inside o3o

[hatok 6,413]

  On 11/22/2012 at 9:18 PM, 'Riku21Terr' said:

Guys, it doesn't really matter if it was mickey or minnie, because since they are both king and queen, and since in a romantic pair, they are often stated to be the same person, and I mean II is set over a decade after BBS, so it was probably just a mistake on Donald's part, as its been so long he porbably forgot psecifically who it was who did it, and like the post said in Japan, royalty is probe different. But ya, wouldn't donald & goofy have said something if they had been to the tower b4?

 

There are some continuity errors in KH, but unlike say, the Harry potter films (which i love but still feel very irked as to the damn continutiy errors esp between CoS and PoA) there is at least a logical explanation for them. I mean:

 

Agrabah in KH1/Days (Re:Com/Re:coded don't count as they are just memory/data reconsturctions of the world) looks different from the one in II, but of course that could be because of the Sandstorms in Days and they just rebuild the city

 

Halloweentown in II looking different - The journal even says the town looks different, but possibly they could have rebuilt the whole town on account of Christmas (jack could've stolen some x-mas magic)

 

on the other hand, perhaps it was just the game developers resdigining the worlds as they had more time and space to make them more accurate to the movie

 

In days, the vision Roxas has of Sora fighting the Posessors in wonderland - possibly Roxas could've just been imaging sora fighitng the heartless, or saw sora but his mind misintrpeted the hearltess

 

With ursula, not being remembered in KHII, perhaps they did remember but in sora's case they just didn't say anything, and in ariel's case, she was probably so distraught that she forgot about ursula, and perhaps overlooked it knowing that ursula did have powerful magic

 

I agree with a lot of this, but I've gotta point out one thing;

The Agrabah looking different thing... during the Jafar battle in KH2, you can see how big Agrabah is. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say they're in a different part of Agrabah

[Caity 3,946]

  On 11/22/2012 at 8:41 PM, 'JTD95' said:

 

But even if they had translated it correctly, Donald still seems pretty surprised when saying it.

 

 

Goofy saying the tower is strangely constructed has nothing to do with them not remembering the tower.

 

well if the script was mistranslated the voice actor would have been trying to convey the emotion based on a wrong script, the English *speaking* actor wouldn't have known about the error. Edited November 22, 2012 by Caity Raindrop

[JTD95 1,108]

  On 11/22/2012 at 9:55 PM, 'Caity Raindrop' said:

well if the script was mistranslated the voice actor would have been trying to convey the emotion based on a wrong script, the English *speaking* actor wouldn't have known about the error.

 

I'm not only talking about the sound in his voice sounding surprised. His whole animation looks surprised.

[WakelessDream 2,285]

  On 11/22/2012 at 9:41 PM, 'FireRubies1' said:

I thought they were surprised about the tower even before they went inside o3o

 

They were, weren't they? But I just used the quote as evidence to support that they should have been able to recognize the place even though they didn't

 

Heck the quote even says they know the tower from BBS, so how could they have forgotten? Back to square one again I guess.

[kingdomlanelover 494]

I always figured that Donald and Goofy only went there once in BBS. So it's probably safe to say that they might have forgotten about it by the time KH2 came around.

[AntonioKHT 449]

  On 11/22/2012 at 7:58 PM, Dracozombie said:

Plot hole. BBS came out after KH2 and I guess Nomura forgot that info, the same way he forgot who banished Pete and for what reason.

This. This is clearly a production mistake, doesn't have to do with the story. I mean, who would forget the great Yen Sid lived there? Or that they came to that tower in such difficult situation? It's highly unlikely... The tower, at least outside in in Yen Sid's room, is the same.

It doesn't have to with the fact that the tower is constantly moving, because only the location changes, not the appearence. Also, Donald is clearly surprised to find out that Yen Sid lives there, showing it's not a trranslation mistake (even if there is one, it's not the cause of the problem here)

 

 

  On 11/22/2012 at 9:18 PM, Riku21Terr said:

Guys, it doesn't really matter if it was mickey or minnie, because since they are both king and queen, and since in a romantic pair, they are often stated to be the same person, and I mean II is set over a decade after BBS, so it was probably just a mistake on Donald's part, as its been so long he porbably forgot psecifically who it was who did it, and like the post said in Japan, royalty is probe different. But ya, wouldn't donald & goofy have said something if they had been to the tower b4?There are some continuity errors in KH, but unlike say, the Harry potter films (which i love but still feel very irked as to the damn continutiy errors esp between CoS and PoA) there is at least a logical explanation for them. I mean:Agrabah in KH1/Days (Re:Com/Re:coded don't count as they are just memory/data reconsturctions of the world) looks different from the one in II, but of course that could be because of the Sandstorms in Days and they just rebuild the cityHalloweentown in II looking different - The journal even says the town looks different, but possibly they could have rebuilt the whole town on account of Christmas (jack could've stolen some x-mas magic)on the other hand, perhaps it was just the game developers resdigining the worlds as they had more time and space to make them more accurate to the movieIn days, the vision Roxas has of Sora fighting the Posessors in wonderland - possibly Roxas could've just been imaging sora fighitng the heartless, or saw sora but his mind misintrpeted the hearltessWith ursula, not being remembered in KHII, perhaps they did remember but in sora's case they just didn't say anything, and in ariel's case, she was probably so distraught that she forgot about ursula, and perhaps overlooked it knowing that ursula did have powerful magic

Yeah, like hatok said, it could have been a different part of Agrabah. 

Hallowen Town: the aquare and laboratory were slightly changed, but the other areas were inacessible before. 

And about Ursula, Ariel forgot her, but I don't think Sora did. He says on the 4th music, if I'm not mistaken: "You got what you deserved!". And the others seemed to remember Ursula just a bit. They obviously wanted to make stories closer to the movies.