In Defense of Twilight from a Former Fan Who Recognizes its Flaws

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

The hate for Twilight has gotten to a ridiculous level. Now, I’d like to start this out by saying that I used to be a fan, but I’m not really into the series anymore. I prefer series like Harry Potter, A Song of Ice and Fire, Percy Jackson, The Mortal Instruments, Maximum Ride, etc. I know that Twilight has a lot of flaws (and the movies are downright crap), but it’s still not as awful as people say it is.

 

Honestly, the Vampire Diaries books are a LOT worse. You think Bella’s a Mary-Sue? Then clearly you haven’t met Elena, who everyone really does love and worships the ground she walks on, even though she’s a bitch. Oh, and she’s gorgeous, too, of course. I have to tell you though, my favorite part of The Vampire Diaries books are all the things Elena turns into. First she’s a human, then a vampire, then she dies as a vampire and becomes a ghost, then she comes back a human with angel/guardian powers, and then at the end, to be with Stefan, she chooses not to become a vampire, but drink some fountain of youth water; that way she can stay with him forever (and be young), but not have to be a vampire. By the way, the fountain of youth thing came out of flipping nowhere, too! If that’s not bad writing, I don’t know what is. I could go on and on about how bad and overrated The Vampire Diaries are, but I’ll leave that for another time.

 

The thing with Twilight (besides people thinking that it’s cool to hate it, and having not read the books) is that it was never intended to be an epic, but people look at it thinking it was, or they want it to be one, and get mad when it isn’t. Twilight was never meant to be anything like Harry Potter, so comparing it to it, The Hunger Games, and similar things is pointless. It’s a completely different genre! It’s just supposed to be a vampire/human love story, and I think, all things considered, it does a decent job with it. The world truly is expansive and interesting; I like the mythology. The characters for the most part are interesting and likable, so it’s a decent series overall.

 

And it’s funny! So funny. That’s part of the reason I liked the books, and was disappointed that the movies took themselves so seriously. A lot of the times, I thought the books were pretty much comedies, and it was a welcome relief from the darker more intense other vampire stories.

 

Another thing I like about the series is that it shows how human all the characters actually are. Someone said this once, and I completely agree with them, that the reason they liked Harry Potter and Twilight was because it took creatures that were usually written as “monsters” and humanized them. I really like that aspect, and I think it makes for an interesting story, and look at our own humanity. For instance, for all intents and purposes, the Cullens should have been evil, bloodthirsty monsters, but they weren’t. They rose above what fate expected of them, and were the people they wanted to be. Was it easy? Hell no. But they did it, anyway. As Carlisle says in the New Moon book, “Like everything in life, I just had to decide what to do with what I was given."

 

That’s actually a good lesson to learn. And you know what? People are always so hungup on the “bad things Twilight teaches people” that they do forget some of the good things it promoted, such as working through your issues. Today, too many people break up the first time something is wrong in a relationship; people don’t know how to compramise anymore, and Edward and Bella do that beautifully. They may meet their hardships now and then, but they always get through it together, and are better for it afterwards. Other things it teaches are to put aside your differences, and try to see things from other’s PoVs (like the Cullens and Quileutes).

 

Another prominent theme in the books are your choices. Bella struggles all through Eclipse about her choice to become a vampire, and all she’ll have to give up, and it does show that every choice has its consequence. In the end, though, she knows herself enough (and this was always a strength in Bella) to make the choice that is best for herself and not look back.

 

Actually, I’m going to break off here and talk about some things about that. I feel that Twilight, unlike some vampire books, dives deeper into some concepts that I wish the others had. Such as do vampires have souls, all you’d have to give up to be a vampire, etc.

 

Another thing I like about the series, and Bella in general, is first off, she isn’t afraid of Edward when she finds out he’s a vampire. In other series, it always ticks me off that when the girl finds out her boyfriend or whatever is a vampire; she forgets everything she knows about him, and start treating him like a monster for a bit. Bella didn’t do this like some heroines did, because A) she knew that Edward had had ample time to hurt her already if he’d wanted to. And that he’d been saving her life rather than hurting her. I like this quote here that sort of sums this up (when Bella’s beginning to fall for Edward, and Jessica’s questioning her about it). “How could I not [like him]? The vampire who wanted to be good – who ran around saving people’s lives so he wouldn’t be a monster…”

 

I’d like to take the moment to say that I think Bella gets too much crap from people. Does she have her flaws? Yes, everyone does, but I think for the most part, she’s a decent, strong-willed person who always does the best she can. And people are always saying Bella’s stupid, but she’s not. She’s smart academically, but she’s also smart in other ways. She’s a good judge of character, and actually predicts a lot of stuff in the plot before it happens. Yes, Bella has a few tripups, but she’s a lot better then some other protagonists I’ve read (especially since I usually hate first person novels and the character it’s written about).

 

Another thing I like about the series is that (unlike what the movie shows), it takes a long time for Edward and Bella to fall in love. Heck, even for them to become friends! Unlike most pairings in things that seem rushed and unexplained, you actually saw the build up of their relationship, them getting to know each other; you see why they start having feelings for each other.

 

This brings me to another qualm of mine in vampire books: someone dating a vampire when they don’t want to become a vampire themselves. I can’t tell you how much that irritates me! I swear, the characters in those things (except Sookie in True Blood, because I actually get her PoV), drive me insane! Clearly they’re not thinking things through at all! If you don’t want to be with a vampire, why are you dating one?! Especially since if you want to be together, you’ll probably have to become one yourself. I can’t even begin to tell you how happy I was that Bella was actually smart enough to think about some of these things, and wasn’t one of these dumb girls. Ugh.

 

Other lessons I liked from Twilight are: fight for/to be with the person you love, love really can accomplish anything, the value of family, etc.

 

Another theme that most people will probably laugh at, but I actually think people need to remember in this day in age, is the no sex before marriage thing. Now, I’m not saying that I necessarily agree with it (even though I do understand it from Edward’s PoV, since in his time that’s the way it was, and some religions still hold that value), I’m saying that in this day in age, I think sex has become too glorified. Mainly, I don’t think young people should be allowed to be exposed to it as much as they are. I think since they see it everywhere, that’s part of the reason we have so many teen pregnancies. With some really young teens, too! But I’m going to get off this topic before I get yelled at.

 

Oh! Other things that Twilight was good about was literary references. Not only did it cite some great literary masterpieces, but it got people wanting to read them! Actually, Twilight got people wanting to read in general, so you at least have to like it for that. And honestly, I think it did a decent job in drawing ties to Pride and Predjudice, Romeo and Juliet, Wuthering Heights, A Midsummer Night’s Dream, and the Merchant of Venice.

 

I know most people criticize Twilight for being the light, happy ending kind of book, but I enjoy it for that. Sure it’s not epic or a literary masterpiece in the slightest, but if I’m ever feeling down, I can flip to a random section of it, and have it bring a smile to my face. So surely that’s a good thing about it, too. It’s a light, easy read, but that doesn’t necessarily make it bad. Plus, that’s not to say it’s all light. Some of the vampires’ histories (for example) were really dark, messed up, and captivating. Oh, Twilight was really good with incorperating actual history, too!

 

–sigh- You know, one of my biggest complaints about the movies is that they didn’t get any of the character’s stories in. Like Alice’s was important! She became a vampire because someone had changed her to save her from James! You know, I think that’s why a lot of people hate Twilight; because the movies didn’t do a lot of the important connections, foreshadowing, etc. that they were supposed to.

 

Now, moving on, here are some of the reasons I personally like Twilight; you don’t have to agree, but it is what it is.

 

First off, I like that the characters actually seem realistic, and we get to know them. I can’t tell you how many books I’ve read where all the characters talk about are plot related things. A book series that did this, for example, was The Vampire Diaries. On their day off, they weren’t talking about the concert coming to town or anything normal like that, but if there was any new weird thing happening in the town. Ugh. I can’t tell you how unrealistic that is! It also makes you feel like you don’t know the characters at all! At least with Twilight we knew things like: Bella loves to read, Alice loves fashion, Rosalie likes to work on cars, etc. In The Vampire Diaries books we didn’t know any of the characters hobbies or likes/interests.

 

Another thing that I like about the series is that for most of it, the villain was Victoria. I HATE it, when a story has too many villains (that often come from nowhere), and you don’t even know why they’re antagonizing your characters. With Victoria, we knew why she was after revenge, and it was believable. Harry Potter just had Voldermort, and for the most part, Twilight just had Victoria. This is a good thing, because otherwise it seems too random, and like it could have happened to someone else. That was actually one of the criticisms of Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings. A reviewer said that the game was good, but really, the chances of the plot happening to the main characters (after evertything they’d already been through) wasn’t likely, so it could have just been about another cast of people.

 

And this reason’s more personal than the others, but here it is. I, personally, hate the slice of life story. Normal, everyday stories about marriage and whatnot bore me immensely. Twilight, however, was a slice of life story, but with a vampire twist to it. Therefore, it’s probably the only time I’ve ever liked that sort of book (and ever will), so I do thank it for that. It is interesting to see how vampires would complicate the falling in love, breaking up, getting back together, getting married and having a kid (plus other ramifications) story. I know, though, that most people actually hate the story for that, and I can understand if you do. I’m just saying for myself, it’s the only way I could enjoy that type of plot.

 

Now, the last thing I’d like to talk about is one of the prime reasons people don’t like Twilight or Bella. New Moon. Though I can get why some of you might hate it, I would like to point out you probably cannot understand or appreciate what Bella’s zombie stage, unless you’ve gone through a depression like that yourself. My sister and I have (and I know a lot of other fans have), but most people probably haven't. Though I understand most of you probably see Bella’s reaction as ridiculous, let me try and help you see it clearer.

 

Let’s get the obvious out of the way first. Most people forget that Edward and Bella’s relationship wasn’t the high school first love kind of thing. It was the real deal, true love, you’re my other half, I can’t live without you, blah blah blah sort of deal. Even so, most people still don’t think her reaction was justifiable, but that’s because they usually think her reaction is just for losing Edward. It’s not.

 

First of all, Bella never really had any confidence. When Edward left (after telling her he’d never really loved her after all, and never could), all of the little confidence she did have was completely shattered. And, as Bella thought it (when Charlie’s talking to Alice in New Moon), “It was like someone had died — like I had died. Because it had been more than just losing the truest of true loves, as if that were not enough to kill anyone. It was also losing a whole future, a whole family — the whole life that I'd chosen...” There, Bella says it herself. She’s not just all messed up because of Edward, but because she’d lost the future she’d chosen, a whole family she’d loved, and with them, her best friend Alice.

 

To make matters even worse, Edward took all of her things from the Cullens with him “so it would be like he’d never existed.” Add all this to the fact that Bella’s friends at school are crap, she can’t talk to anyone about all of this, etc, and you’ll probably see why she went insane. And, yes, most people don’t realize she really was crazy in New Moon, so her actions were a little bit more forgivable that way.

 

Another thing to consider to explain Bella’s state is that Victoria, Laurent, etc. are after her, and she’s pretty much defenseless. In her head, the Cullens wouldn’t even care that she’ll be killed, as she was just a pet of theirs they discarded. And worst of all of this, is that even after what Edward did to her, Bella still has to keep his sectet for him, and know she’ll always love him no matter what… Yeah. Bella’s world in New Moon really was like it had been “destroyed in some cataclysmic, disaster-movie scenario of desolation.”

 

So I hope this helps you guys understand Bella’s side a little bit more. I know a lot of people critizize her by comparing her to Hermione; saying that Hermione wasn’t destroyed when Ron left her in Deathly Hallows (instead, she actually helped save the Wizarding World), but most people don’t take in all of Bella’s situation. And Ron only left Hermione for like three months, where as Edward was gone six (and Ron and Hermione always had squabbles and got over them, anyway). Plus, Hermione still had Harry and the War to distract her. Bella didn’t really have anything. And you know what, people forget to take into consideration how Hermione was a crying mess in the HBP during the Ron/Lavender thing, so I don’t think Bella’s as bad as people make her out to be in New Moon.

 

Now, another thing people don’t like about Bella in New Moon as how easily she forgives Edward. Remembering the soulmate mumbo jumbo, it’s a bit more understandable, but let me try and put it into perspective for you. Two years ago, around the time of my birthday, all of my best friends (about seven of them) that I’d been best friends with most of my life, pretty much abandoned me. I didn’t hear from them once for six months, and I was a wreck like Bella was. Pretty much telling myself that they must hate me or something. Granted, we’re all good again (and I think they were all just busy with work and stuff), but I still can’t easily forgive how they left me hanging all that time (especially since they still contacted each other a bit).

 

However, I’ve never told them any of this, or just how much they hurt me. Believe me, I wanted to be angry and read them the riot act, but I just couldn’t. I love them, you know? And at the end of the day, I always will and am just happy to be near them again. When you truly love someone, no matter how much they hurt you, you choose to forgive them. And, actually, it takes more strength to forgive something then it does to hold onto it. That’s exactly what happens with Edward and Bella. And though most people would argue that makes her weak, I think it makes her strong.

 

So, in conclusion, I personally do not think Twilight is as bad as people think it is, and that it doesn’t deserve all the hate. I’m not going to lie, it can be bad at parts, and could have been written a whole lot better, but I still enjoy it for the most part. After all, nothing is perfect (and since these were Stephenie’s first books, I think it’s a bit understandable). If you don’t like Twilight, that’s fine. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but I think all the pointless hate and cyber bullying needs to stop. You can’t even like the series anymore without getting death threats. None of that is okay! People are allowed to have different opinions.

 

And you know what, the hate has gotten so bad that someone beat up the actor for Seth just because they don’t like Twilight. That is NOT okay. And that kind of behavior Needs. To. Be. Stopped. I can’t even- Grr!

 

So, yeah. If you want to dislike Twilight, please be respectable about it. And at least know what you’re talking about (unlike a lot of people). Also, don’t just hate it because you want to be “cool”. Don’t do anything because you just want to be cool, actually. Just remember that when you’re insulting this (not only might there be things “as bad” or “worse” than it *cough*The Vampire Diaries*cough*), but you could be really hurting someone when you talk bad about it, like those who did go through Bella’s zombie stage.

 

With that, I’m going to end this really long post and thank you all for reading.

 

Kingdom Hearts forever!

 

-Shanna

Edited November 19, 2012 by DenizenofTwilight

[teh lazy prince Xylek 1,559]

whoa... that was really long

Edited November 17, 2012 by Xylek

[King Riku 2,063]

Was going to read. But then I realized that I myself am I former Twilight fan, and still go back and read the books from time to time. And I completely accept the fact that the movies are no where near as good as they could have been, I just ignore all the hate, as I do with other things.

[Azzurro 36]

Holy wall of text Batman, but yeah I'm indifferent to Twilight I don't love it nor do I hate it, I mean it's pretty annoying when people say that hate Twilight constantly like it's their ex-boyfriend and I respect you for sticking up for it if I was in your position I might have done the same thing concerning a series that I like or used to like.

Edited November 17, 2012 by Azzurro

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

  On 11/17/2012 at 8:14 PM, 'Xylek' said:

whoa... that was really long

 

Yeah it is. LOL. Sorry about that -sweatdrop- I just had a lot to say, and have been wanting to talk about if for awhile, so...

 

@King Riku Aww, I'm glad you still like the series a bit. That's how I am. Usually I'd prefer to read HP or TMI (or something), but there are some moments when I want to reread parts of it. In fact, when I do come back to it, I'm oftentimes surprised by how good it can actually be. I guess despite not trying to let the hate get to me, it has a bit. And, yeah, I normally try to ignore it, too, but when people are beating up the actors for it, I feel that's when I need to step in and draw a line, you know?

 

@Azzurro Thank you so much for your response. I really enjoyed reading it. Truth be told, I think a lot of people are indifferent to it (or just don't like it), but choose to hate on it because cyber bullying's so common. But you know, it's funny in a morbid way. A lot of people say they hate Twilight, because people don't shut up about it, and yet, in hating it, they're talking about it themselves, so... Anyway, I'm glad there are some people still with sense. Thanks for respecting my opinion. If you ever want to defend a series you like or liked, I'll be sure to read it;)

Edited November 17, 2012 by DenizenofTwilight

[Rinax 473]

First thing I noticed: "Kingdom Hearts forever!".

 

I don't really like Twilight, but wolves are awesome. (I don't look at anything else.)

 

Not everything can please everyone. Nothing is "perfect".

[Soul Eater Evans 4,045]

Well, I went to the library last two years, and they were selling discarded books for 10 cents each. 3 of these were Twilight, New Moon, and Eclipse. I ended up buying and reading them all. I feel like the "hate" it gets, is simply just an overexaggerated joke. OK, Twilight Saga isn't as great as HP, but it isn't the scum of the world ffs. Finished Breaking Dawn the month after. All in all, just ignore the hate. It's like insulting someone for playing Yu-Gi-oh.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

What I find really funny is when people just hate for no reason bc someone else told them to or they are just following that persons opinion with little to no information and think their opinion is logical or even intelligent ..If you are going to follow someones opinion without knowing for yourself what the facts are and what its about then i cannot respect that person or their opinion ..You would be amazed how many people do that .A person doesn't have to share the same opinion but they should at least inform themselves before making one or following what others say.....Then stop hating on those who share a different perspective or opinion....

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

  On 11/17/2012 at 8:42 PM, 'Rinax' said:

First thing I noticed: "Kingdom Hearts forever!".

 

I don't really like Twilight, but wolves are awesome. (I don't look at anything else.)

 

Not everything can please everyone. Nothing is "perfect".

 

That's the first thing you noticed because KH is my fandom. LOL.

 

Anyway, thanks so much for your response! Nothing is perfect. In fact, Shakespeare didn't even know how to use the apostrophe (as they'd just been invented), and so misused them a lot in his plays. People really just need to relax. LOL.

 

And wolves are amazing! I love them to death. Have you read any good wolf stories? I've been trying to find some, but the last I read were the Wolves of Mercy Falls/Shiver series by Maggie Steifvater. Those were pretty good books, but I wouldn't mind more wolf stories! LOL.

[Roxas Seeking Light 93]

  On 11/17/2012 at 8:14 PM, 'Xylek' said:

whoa... that was really long

 

Ikr? like. the longest thing ive read in months on here.

[teh lazy prince Xylek 1,559]

  On 11/17/2012 at 9:13 PM, 'Roxas Seeking Light' said:

Ikr? like. the longest thing ive read in months on here.

 

longest thing i've almost thought of reading in months

[Troldemort 19]

  On 11/17/2012 at 8:45 PM, 'Flaming Lea' said:

What I find really funny is when people just hate for no reason bc someone else told them to or they are just following that persons opinion with little to no information and think their opinion is logical or even intelligent ..If you are going to follow someones opinion without knowing for yourself what the facts are and what its about then i cannot respect that person or their opinion ..You would be amazed how many people do that .A person doesn't have to share the same opinion but they should at least inform themselves before making one or following what others say.....Then stop hating on those who share a different perspective or opinion....

 

  On 11/17/2012 at 8:48 PM, 'DenizenofTwilight' said:

That's the first thing you noticed because KH is my fandom. LOL.

 

Anyway, thanks so much for your response! Nothing is perfect. In fact, Shakespeare didn't even know how to use the apostrophe (as they'd just been invented), and so misused them a lot in his plays. People really just need to relax. LOL.

 

And wolves are amazing! I love them to death. Have you read any good wolf stories? I've been trying to find some, but the last I read were the Wolves of Mercy Falls/Shiver series by Maggie Steifvater. Those were pretty good books, but I wouldn't mind more wolf stories! LOL.

 

It's like I always say never judge a book by it's cover.

[baylaust 2,531]

Oh boy, Twilight...

 

First I'll start off by saying that I respect your opinion completely, just as long as you respect mine, which you can probably guess what it is by now. And second, I don't like to just blindly hate something without experiencing it, so know that I have read the first book and saw New Moon, so I'd say I have some experience with this series.

 

But oh boy, where do I begin...

 

I'm not going to bring up how ridiculously boring and emotionless everyone is in the movies, because quite frankly, that's just bad acting, not a reflection of the actual series. And as for the mythological inspirations the series takes in the vampires and werewolves (which are really just shapeshifters, if I'm not mistaken), and especially how unfaithful these vampires are to their lore, that's been talked about for ages, and I realize that a lot of people are able to accept that. I personally cringe whenever I hear about sparkling vampires, but others may disagree with me on that front.

 

No, Twilight falls REALLY flat in two, VERY major aspects: character and story.

 

First let's start off with the characters, specifically with our main character, Bella. Holy hell, this woman set the women's rights movement back at least 30 years. She thinks of herself as tortured even though she really doesn't have any problems in her life. The most she could complain about would be her split parents, which coming from a split family, I can say from experience really sucks. But as for Bella herself, she's selfish, she's manipulative, she never stops whining, she's self centered, she's male dependant, and quite frankly, idiotic, and she's supposed to represent the reader, the every day teenage girl, which quite frankly, blows my mind. She decides she wants to get married to an emotionally abusive, distant, stalkerish boy, when she isn't even out of high school yet. She will pledge herself to one boy, and then immediately fool around with another, and then get mad at that boy and run back to Edward. And speaking of Edward, as I said, he's emotionally abusive, distant, and quite frankly, a stalker. He breaks into her house and WATCHES HER SLEEP, and Bella decides to not file a restraining order like anyone else would do, but decide that this must be the boy of her dreams. They think it's true love, that there has never been a love stronger than the one they have, but quite frankly, it seems more like they're just looking to have sex. Which isn't helped by the fact that Edward wants to wait until marriage to have sex, and Bella immediately decides that she wants to marry him.

 

Now, it's possible for something to survive something like this and still at least be decent. There have been several poorly done romances and characters in the past that have been part of good pieces of literature or cinema, some of which even become classics. But when the entire story, the entire series is focused on such a poorly executed romance with such poorly made, unlikeable characters, that's really bad. REALLY bad. Which brings me to the second point: the story. A girl who is in love with a vampire, I'm not going to slam the idea, because it is something that can be pulled off, and pulled off well. It has been in the past. But Twilight really dropped the ball on this, by having pretty much nothing going on other than this love story. This story that is apparantly an even greater work of art than The Princess Bride and Romeo & Juliet, right from the author's mouth. Then of course there's the flatout creepyness that the book dives into, the least of which is the fact that Edward is over 100 and Bella's a minor when they "fall" for each other. Then Breaking Dawn comes along and has the brilliant idea of introducing the concept of Jacob falling in love with, or "imprinting," on A LITTLE KID. You can try to justify that all you want, that is really, really weird. And the author likes this.

 

Again, I have no problem with anyone who likes, or wants to defend the series. I will respect your views and opinions, just as long as you respect mine.

[RikuLove416 23]

I Love The Vampire Diaries Tv Show I Haven't Read The Books Yet You Tottaly Spoiled It For Me :'(( Lolz

 

  On 11/17/2012 at 10:09 PM, 'baylaust' said:

Oh boy, Twilight...

 

First I'll start off by saying that I respect your opinion completely, just as long as you respect mine, which you can probably guess what it is by now. And second, I don't like to just blindly hate something without experiencing it, so know that I have read the first book and saw New Moon, so I'd say I have some experience with this series.

 

But oh boy, where do I begin...

 

I'm not going to bring up how ridiculously boring and emotionless everyone is in the movies, because quite frankly, that's just bad acting, not a reflection of the actual series. And as for the mythological inspirations the series takes in the vampires and werewolves (which are really just shapeshifters, if I'm not mistaken), and especially how unfaithful these vampires are to their lore, that's been talked about for ages, and I realize that a lot of people are able to accept that. I personally cringe whenever I hear about sparkling vampires, but others may disagree with me on that front.

 

No, Twilight falls REALLY flat in two, VERY major aspects: character and story.

 

First let's start off with the characters, specifically with our main character, Bella. Holy hell, this woman set the women's rights movement back at least 30 years. She thinks of herself as tortured even though she really doesn't have any problems in her life. The most she could complain about would be her split parents, which coming from a split family, I can say from experience really sucks. But as for Bella herself, she's selfish, she's manipulative, she never stops whining, she's self centered, she's male dependant, and quite frankly, idiotic, and she's supposed to represent the reader, the every day teenage girl, which quite frankly, blows my mind. She decides she wants to get married to an emotionally abusive, distant, stalkerish boy, when she isn't even out of high school yet. She will pledge herself to one boy, and then immediately fool around with another, and then get mad at that boy and run back to Edward. And speaking of Edward, as I said, he's emotionally abusive, distant, and quite frankly, a stalker. He breaks into her house and WATCHES HER SLEEP, and Bella decides to not file a restraining order like anyone else would do, but decide that this must be the boy of her dreams. They think it's true love, that there has never been a love stronger than the one they have, but quite frankly, it seems more like they're just looking to have sex. Which isn't helped by the fact that Edward wants to wait until marriage to have sex, and Bella immediately decides that she wants to marry him.

 

Now, it's possible for something to survive something like this and still at least be decent. There have been several poorly done romances and characters in the past that have been part of good pieces of literature or cinema, some of which even become classics. But when the entire story, the entire series is focused on such a poorly executed romance with such poorly made, unlikeable characters, that's really bad. REALLY bad. Which brings me to the second point: the story. A girl who is in love with a vampire, I'm not going to slam the idea, because it is something that can be pulled off, and pulled off well. It has been in the past. But Twilight really dropped the ball on this, by having pretty much nothing going on other than this love story. This story that is apparantly an even greater work of art than The Princess Bride and Romeo & Juliet, right from the author's mouth. Then of course there's the flatout creepyness that the book dives into, the least of which is the fact that Edward is over 100 and Bella's a minor when they "fall" for each other. Then Breaking Dawn comes along and has the brilliant idea of introducing the concept of Jacob falling in love with, or "imprinting," on A LITTLE KID. You can try to justify that all you want, that is really, really weird. And the author likes this.

 

Again, I have no problem with anyone who likes, or wants to defend the series. I will respect your views and opinions, just as long as you respect mine.

 

I Agree With Everything You Said But Some How I Still Love The Series

[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

  On 11/17/2012 at 10:09 PM, 'baylaust' said:

Oh boy, Twilight...

 

First I'll start off by saying that I respect your opinion completely, just as long as you respect mine, which you can probably guess what it is by now. And second, I don't like to just blindly hate something without experiencing it, so know that I have read the first book and saw New Moon, so I'd say I have some experience with this series.

 

But oh boy, where do I begin...

 

I'm not going to bring up how ridiculously boring and emotionless everyone is in the movies, because quite frankly, that's just bad acting, not a reflection of the actual series. And as for the mythological inspirations the series takes in the vampires and werewolves (which are really just shapeshifters, if I'm not mistaken), and especially how unfaithful these vampires are to their lore, that's been talked about for ages, and I realize that a lot of people are able to accept that. I personally cringe whenever I hear about sparkling vampires, but others may disagree with me on that front.

 

No, Twilight falls REALLY flat in two, VERY major aspects: character and story.

 

First let's start off with the characters, specifically with our main character, Bella. Holy hell, this woman set the women's rights movement back at least 30 years. She thinks of herself as tortured even though she really doesn't have any problems in her life. The most she could complain about would be her split parents, which coming from a split family, I can say from experience really sucks. But as for Bella herself, she's selfish, she's manipulative, she never stops whining, she's self centered, she's male dependant, and quite frankly, idiotic, and she's supposed to represent the reader, the every day teenage girl, which quite frankly, blows my mind. She decides she wants to get married to an emotionally abusive, distant, stalkerish boy, when she isn't even out of high school yet. She will pledge herself to one boy, and then immediately fool around with another, and then get mad at that boy and run back to Edward. And speaking of Edward, as I said, he's emotionally abusive, distant, and quite frankly, a stalker. He breaks into her house and WATCHES HER SLEEP, and Bella decides to not file a restraining order like anyone else would do, but decide that this must be the boy of her dreams. They think it's true love, that there has never been a love stronger than the one they have, but quite frankly, it seems more like they're just looking to have sex. Which isn't helped by the fact that Edward wants to wait until marriage to have sex, and Bella immediately decides that she wants to marry him.

 

Now, it's possible for something to survive something like this and still at least be decent. There have been several poorly done romances and characters in the past that have been part of good pieces of literature or cinema, some of which even become classics. But when the entire story, the entire series is focused on such a poorly executed romance with such poorly made, unlikeable characters, that's really bad. REALLY bad. Which brings me to the second point: the story. A girl who is in love with a vampire, I'm not going to slam the idea, because it is something that can be pulled off, and pulled off well. It has been in the past. But Twilight really dropped the ball on this, by having pretty much nothing going on other than this love story. This story that is apparantly an even greater work of art than The Princess Bride and Romeo & Juliet, right from the author's mouth. Then of course there's the flatout creepyness that the book dives into, the least of which is the fact that Edward is over 100 and Bella's a minor when they "fall" for each other. Then Breaking Dawn comes along and has the brilliant idea of introducing the concept of Jacob falling in love with, or "imprinting," on A LITTLE KID. You can try to justify that all you want, that is really, really weird. And the author likes this.

 

Again, I have no problem with anyone who likes, or wants to defend the series. I will respect your views and opinions, just as long as you respect mine.

 

This is pretty much what I think of the series.

 

To add onto the discussion, I remember seeing a few posts all over my Tumblr dash, from social justice and feminist bloggers making points similar to this and deconstructing the Saga bit by bit to show how awful an example Twilight is, when it comes to demolishing the efforts feminism has made over the past decades, an unhealthy infatuation and how Stephie Meyer romanticizes an abusive relationship. We all know Bella is an Author Avatar, her uncanny resemblance to Stephenie Meyer is certainly something that clues us in and Meyer even admitted herself, Edward is the man of her dreams. One of the worst things an author or writer can do is make an Author Avatar. I would know personally, being a writer myself. If that doesn't make one think something is wrong, then I don't know what would.

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

  On 11/17/2012 at 10:15 PM, 'RikuLove416' said:

I Love The Vampire Diaries Tv Show I Haven't Read The Books Yet You Tottaly Spoiled It For Me :'(( Lolz

 

I Agree With Everything You Said But Some How I Still Love The Series

 

I used to like the TV show, because it's better than the books, but I just can't like it anymore. I hate all the characters except for Damon (and they don't even really always characterize him right). I also feel the characters, at least in the books, are very flat. And the show’s not The Vampire Diaries at all. Seriously. It doesn't follow the books the slightest bit. They only call it TVD to try and bring in the fans of the books. (Also, in that regard, you don't have to worry about me having spoiled you, as it doesn't stay true to the novels at all. But I still apologize for the spoilers.) There's just too much bad for me to justify the good.

 

Another thing I hate is how every episode the cast is at some stupid founder party or something. That's really unrealistic. Especially since Mystic Falls is supposedly a small town. And, really, if I were the characters, I wouldn't go to any of those things. Especially since they have them all the time. And frankly, it's too much teen drama for me. Even more than Twilight, in my opinion. I just don't care about any of it.

 

Speaking of Twilight, they copy it. The two worst times I can think of are the following: The night New Moon came out, they had Stefan planning to leave Elena. And then when Bonnie questioned Elena about it, she said something like, "He'd definitely leave without saying goodbye if he thought it was the best thing for me. It'd be a clean break." Do I really need to explain why that copies Twilight? First off, that's an exact line from New Moon. Then there's the fact that they did this on the night of New Moon. That's just not a coincidence.

 

The worst copy they did, though, was the Elena's eighteenth birthday episode. The fact that she didn't want a party or presents. Caroline throws a party behind her back, Stefan's left her, etc. Just wow. Could that have copied New Moon any more thoroughly?

 

Something else that somewhat bothers me is all the sex in the show (which is why people love it), when in the books, vampires didn't have sex. The only way they got any kind of pleasure was through hunting with their mate. Heck, when Damon begun wanting to kiss Elena for the first time, he hadn't wanted to do anything like that in one-hundred plus years, and was sort of freaked out and didn't know what to do about the new desire. Le sigh.

 

I'm really not trying to bash The Vampire Diaries (as I don't like when people hate on things, especially to their fans). And if you like it, I'm totally cool with that. Something that can inspire someone is always a beautiful thing, but for me, personally, the books and TV shows have done too much I can't forgive, and thus I choose not to be a fan anymore.

 

 

  On 11/17/2012 at 10:09 PM, 'baylaust' said:

Oh boy, Twilight...

 

First I'll start off by saying that I respect your opinion completely, just as long as you respect mine, which you can probably guess what it is by now. And second, I don't like to just blindly hate something without experiencing it, so know that I have read the first book and saw New Moon, so I'd say I have some experience with this series.

 

But oh boy, where do I begin...

 

I'm not going to bring up how ridiculously boring and emotionless everyone is in the movies, because quite frankly, that's just bad acting, not a reflection of the actual series. And as for the mythological inspirations the series takes in the vampires and werewolves (which are really just shapeshifters, if I'm not mistaken), and especially how unfaithful these vampires are to their lore, that's been talked about for ages, and I realize that a lot of people are able to accept that. I personally cringe whenever I hear about sparkling vampires, but others may disagree with me on that front.

 

No, Twilight falls REALLY flat in two, VERY major aspects: character and story.

 

First let's start off with the characters, specifically with our main character, Bella. Holy hell, this woman set the women's rights movement back at least 30 years. She thinks of herself as tortured even though she really doesn't have any problems in her life. The most she could complain about would be her split parents, which coming from a split family, I can say from experience really sucks. But as for Bella herself, she's selfish, she's manipulative, she never stops whining, she's self centered, she's male dependant, and quite frankly, idiotic, and she's supposed to represent the reader, the every day teenage girl, which quite frankly, blows my mind. She decides she wants to get married to an emotionally abusive, distant, stalkerish boy, when she isn't even out of high school yet. She will pledge herself to one boy, and then immediately fool around with another, and then get mad at that boy and run back to Edward. And speaking of Edward, as I said, he's emotionally abusive, distant, and quite frankly, a stalker. He breaks into her house and WATCHES HER SLEEP, and Bella decides to not file a restraining order like anyone else would do, but decide that this must be the boy of her dreams. They think it's true love, that there has never been a love stronger than the one they have, but quite frankly, it seems more like they're just looking to have sex. Which isn't helped by the fact that Edward wants to wait until marriage to have sex, and Bella immediately decides that she wants to marry him.

 

Now, it's possible for something to survive something like this and still at least be decent. There have been several poorly done romances and characters in the past that have been part of good pieces of literature or cinema, some of which even become classics. But when the entire story, the entire series is focused on such a poorly executed romance with such poorly made, unlikeable characters, that's really bad. REALLY bad. Which brings me to the second point: the story. A girl who is in love with a vampire, I'm not going to slam the idea, because it is something that can be pulled off, and pulled off well. It has been in the past. But Twilight really dropped the ball on this, by having pretty much nothing going on other than this love story. This story that is apparantly an even greater work of art than The Princess Bride and Romeo & Juliet, right from the author's mouth. Then of course there's the flatout creepyness that the book dives into, the least of which is the fact that Edward is over 100 and Bella's a minor when they "fall" for each other. Then Breaking Dawn comes along and has the brilliant idea of introducing the concept of Jacob falling in love with, or "imprinting," on A LITTLE KID. You can try to justify that all you want, that is really, really weird. And the author likes this.

 

Again, I have no problem with anyone who likes, or wants to defend the series. I will respect your views and opinions, just as long as you respect mine.

 

I definitely respect your opinion. I like debating things, as I feel it gives you a better, unbiased opinion on things. I thank you for commenting, actually. And will now begin this reply. LOL.

 

First off, the lore. I can understand why people would be upset with it, but personally it doesn’t bother me. Do I think the sparkly vampire thing is a bit silly? Yes I do, but I can respect it. Mainly because everyone envisions things differently, and if we didn’t change things up in literature, we’d have a million carbon copies. Vampires, shapeshifters, werewolves, and vampire hybrids aren’t real, so it’s fine if people want to write them differently.

 

And personally, I don’t think Bella’s as bad as you think. Elena from The Vampire Diaries is a lot worse, but I digress. Yeah, she complains about Forks and stuff a lot, but she gets over it. And later, her complaints are really legitimate. I don’t think she whines as much as you say she does, and truth be told, all this just makes her more realistic. It can be frustrating to read, but people have flaws, and Bella certainly has hers. And you also seem to forget that there are a few other reasons for Bella to be unhappy. Like how she had to take care of her mom her whole life, and now she's having to move to a place she hates, because she wants Renée to be happy with Phil (this showing a bit of Bella's selfless side).

 

I really don’t think Bella’s manipulative. The only time I can remember her being that way is in Eclipse when she convinces Edward to miss the fight for her. And she can be selfish, yes, but so can we all. For the most part, Bella’s generally a selfless person. And I could argue the male dependant thing, but I won’t as I can see why people would see her that way, sadly. Still, all things considered, I think Bella does a decent job, and isn’t the worst protagonist there could be. She does have some epic moments where she protects others. Like when she saves Edward in New Moon. Or when she cuts herself in Eclipse in front of Victoria and Riley, preparing to die to save Edward and Seth. Or her strength during the pregnancy and battle in Breaking Dawn (where she is the strongest and saves everyone). There was also when she was going to go to Volterra in New Moon to let the Volturi kill her to protect the Cullens if they didn't want to change her. (once again, showing her strength and selflessness). Yeah... Bella could do a lot worse, in my opinion.

 

After all, even though I am definitely pro-feminist, I have to admit it’s silly to think we’re all Katnisses. If I was mugged right now, I probably couldn’t be able to defend myself. And I’m about to be shot for this, but the truth is women are the frailer sex. That doesn’t mean we can’t grow to be the strongest people you’ll ever meet (like Bella actually does), but we do start at a disadvantage. And there is something to be valued in mental strength, too, which I believe Bella has a lot of, and people are forgetting to care about.

 

Also, I’d just like to point out that as Stephenie said, she’s not anti-feminine, but anti-human. If Edward had been the human and Bella the vampire, he would have fared like she did. I know a lot of people don’t like this argument, but I thought I’d just mention it.

 

Now onto your next claims. I really don’t think Edward is mentally abusive. He might be a little bit, like when he lies to her when he’s leaving, and in not letting her see the Quileutes, but these things really aren’t that frequent, and go away quickly. In a lot of ways, I think Jacob is the one that can be argued as “abusive” (as he actually unintentionally hurt Bella a few times), but at the end of the day, I don’t think it’s something that you need to alert the media about. At least in my opinion. In a lot of ways, Edward is a very good man (who's actually sort of whipped; they both would do anything that would make each other happy, and would never want to hurt each other), and I can understand Bella’s choice to be with him despite his flaws. In Breaking Dawn, they’re a much more functional, balanced pair. Really the biggest problem Edward and Bella have with each other is they don't know how to communicate their thoughts. It's a flaw to be sure, but not the biggest flaw ever. And this, too, they actually get over.

 

And as for the distant thing, I don’t really think he’s that bad after awhile. And when Edward had to be distant, it was mainly because he was trying to keep Bella safe from himself and/or to keep his secret.

 

And honestly, as for the stalker thing, do you know how many characters are stalkers in books? I just think it can’t be helped in a lot of novels. A character meets someone, is oddly drawn to them, and wants to know more about them (but has to stalk them for various reasons, or because their paths don’t usually cross and they don’t have another way to learn about them). Am I condoning this? Hell no! But I don’t think it’s fair to just take it out on Twilight when Stefan and Damon stalked Elena in TVD, Jace stalks Clary in TMI, Sam and Grace stalk each other in the Shiver books, Bill stalks Sookie in True Blood… Heck, Severus even stalked Lily when they were kids in Harry Potter!

 

And as for the watching her sleep bit, does it bother me? Yes, but I can stomach it, because it’s mostly innocent. For one, Edward’s a vampire (and the vampires pretty much think they can do whatever they want), so this would be acceptable behavior to them, probably. And in Edward’s head, this is the only way he can be with Bella because he can’t let her in on the secret at first, doesn’t want to destroy her soul, etc.

 

And I feel I should point out that he partially stayed there to protect Bella. Anyway, I don’t like this aspect, but as Edward never does anything inappropriate, and just wants to eaves drop on her sleep talking, I can mostly digest this. Really, stalking seems to just be a trope amongst vampire stories.

 

Also, about Bella not freaking out about it, to tell the truth, Bella’s never really been sane. Danger was something she loved (as she was born to be a vampire). Plus, there were a lot of other things to worry about (like Edward’s draw to her blood), so even though her reaction isn’t at all reasonable, you can at least kind of understand her flawed PoV.

 

And I never really thought Edward and Bella’s relationship was just about sex. I actually understood their mental and spiritual connection (as Stephenie did take time to develop it). Sure their was attraction, but it was never solely sexual. The movies on the other hand, definitely make it seem that way.

 

So, backing up (because I missed this previous part before), first off, I think you have some things a little bit flawed. Bella didn’t want to get married. At all. It took a very long time for her to agree to it, as Renée taught her to have an aversion to marriage. It’s not until Edward and Bella compromise that she even agrees to it (through clenched teeth), so I thought I’d just clear that bit up. And, really. I don't think it's that big a deal they fall in love and get married so fast. Other series have done that even faster. And sometimes it just works that way. Like, my friend Laura (who's now twenty-eight) got married at eighteen after knowing her future husband for a month. They had their first kid at nineteen, and they've been a happy family ever since.

 

And I don’t think that Bella plays the guys the way you seem to. Bella had no idea that she was in love with Jacob. She just was trying to be there for him like he was her (because she was hurting him by staying away from him), and honestly, he was playing her with the sympathy card. Bella told him time and time again that she was only for Edward, and furthermore, she didn’t want to hurt either of them, which is why she doesn’t acknowledge her feelings for Jacob until the end (and then is responsible, and puts a stop to seeing him all the time). She has just thought her was her best friend. And as I’ve been in a similar situation before, I can say it’s completely plausible. Honestly, the Edward/Bella/Jacob situation was so sticky, that there was no way they could have avoided causing someone pain. Though Bella didn't mean to, as she said, "Every move I make hurts someone."

 

Unlike Elena who does go between the boys in TVD, and tries to hurt Damon/make him jealous. I tell you, that series... Elena is stupid. Not Bella. Especially when Damon’s dying, she’s all like, “You’re right, Damon. I did love you more and wanted to be with you. I just stayed with Stefan because it was convenient.” At least Bella always knew herself, and didn’t cop out like that.

 

Personally, I do like the characters for the most part. They all do have their flaws, yes, but I still can stomach them. Unlike certain characters from other series. Like I’ve said, I think TVD is a lot worse, but I’m not going to beat that dead horse anymore. Today, everyone wants characters with flaws, which the characters certainly have. It can be annoying, yes, but whatever.

 

And I can get why people don’t like the series for lack of plot. I get that, understand it, respect it etc. But as I said above, that was oddly one of the reasons I like it. Mainly that it is the basic things someone goes through in love, but with a vampire twist. As I said above, Twilight’s the only way I can stomach that mushy, gushy stuff, but if people don’t see it that way—or want to hate Twilight for it—I won’t blame them.

 

Hmm… I don’t remember Stephenie ever saying that it was better than the Princess Bride and whatnot, but I’ll take your word for it. But that’s especially weird for me to hear since Stephenie’s never actually been a vampire fan (and the fact she loves classical literature), and said she never would have made some of the choices Bella did... Huh.

 

And as for the creepiness… It’s a vampire story, it’s supposed to be creepy. I know it’s not in a lot of ways people would want or expect, but it still comes with the territory. And frankly, I think Stephenie could have handled a lot of the things a lot worse than she did. Like the imprinting, which I actually get (and once again, can accept it because it’s not romantic love, but platonic love at first)… Yeah, things could have been a lot worse, so I can be okay with what Twilight did. The good outweighs the bad for me, but that’s just my opinion, and I know people don’t have to agree with me.

 

Going off topic a little here, I’d like to point out that a lot of fans think Jacob/Renesmee happened just to give everyone a happy ending, but that’s not true. The original sequel to Twilight that Stephenie planned was Forever Dawn. A book that was pretty much Breaking Dawn, except the events of New Moon and Eclipse never happened. Thus, Jacob and Bella aren’t even really friends, but even so, Jacob still imprinted on Renesmee in it. So, yeah. Stephenie didn’t just give Jacob Renesmee to make up for all his pain, or make him forgive/accept the Cullens or whatever.

 

Back on topic: about the age difference… Honestly, I don’t know why you’d knock Twilight for it. Pretty much every vampire (and other supernatural romances) does the same. Such as TVD, True Blood, Moonlight, Dark Shadows… I could go on and on, really.

 

So, yeah, baylaust, Twilight does have its flaws, but I personally think it could have been handled a lot more recklessly than it did, and thus can actually forgive it them, and like the series overall. Once again, I’m not saying you have to, but these are my feelings. As long as you go into the series, and know not to emulate anything, I think you’ll be fine.

 

Anyway, I’m going to end this here, and thank you for debating respectably with me. It’s been fun;)

 

@ TheApprenticeofKingMickey Personally, I don’t truly think Edward is abusive. There are some questionable moments, sure, but the good outweighs the bad for me. And as I said above, I think Bella does good all things considering. If Edward had been in Bella’s shoes, it would have been the same for him, so I can forgive it its seemingly anti-feminist problems for that reason.

 

Also, I’ve heard that Bella is an Author Avatar before, and I personally don’t know if I believe that. I’m not arguing your point or belief, but in my head… Well, it doesn’t compute, personally. Maybe a bit, but not really. Even though people call Bella a Mary-Sue, she doesn’t exactly fit the category.

 

Plus, the reason Bella looks like Stephenie is because that’s how she saw Bella in the dream she had (that sparked the whole series). And Stephenie herself has said she wouldn’t have made the choices Bella did. And honestly, she always seemed more Team Jacob to me. I know she’s said things like, “I never met an Edward.” But I think it’s more because people are using those terms now to be like, “fairytale love” or “true love in a not fairytale way”. And, technically, Hermione was inspired by Jo Rowling a bit. Though I don't think Hermione a Mary-Sue at all. At all! You still should remember that. But this is just my opinion. And thank you for debating with me. It really is nice hearing people’s thoughts, and debating civilly.

 

Edit: Crap. I didn't mean to double post. Sorry about that, guys. I won't do it again. -sweatdrop-

Edited November 19, 2012 by Cellar Door

[dusk 910]

I can respect your opinion and you have made some good points, but I really can't agree with Twilight

I have read the first book and the two first movies and I have to say few things:

Romance was boring.. Edward is rather annoying emo boy and Bella, well she is what bay just said.. I really like romance when it's executed well, but Twilight failed at its' key concept. Then vampires, I can agree that no one can say what vampires should be because they even aren't real, but I still can't get over it how silly the whole vampire idea in Twilight is. Vampires should be something badass, not emo stalkers who break in other people's houses.

 

Also, why did they advertise it like this "The love story that goes to level of Titanic" wth? Who actually thought that it would be great to compare this to one of the best love stories Ever?

 

Then, it's pretty much just a joke if someone says "Still better love story than Twilight". It's just running joke in internet. Nothing to get serious about.

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

  On 11/19/2012 at 4:28 PM, 'dusk' said:

I can respect your opinion and you have made some good points, but I really can't agree with Twilight

I have read the first book and the two first movies and I have to say few things:

Romance was boring.. Edward is rather annoying emo boy and Bella, well she is what bay just said.. I really like romance when it's executed well, but Twilight failed at its' key concept. Then vampires, I can agree that no one can say what vampires should be because they even aren't real, but I still can't get over it how silly the whole vampire idea in Twilight is. Vampires should be something badass, not emo stalkers who break in other people's houses.

 

Also, why did they advertise it like this "The love story that goes to level of Titanic" wth? Who actually thought that it would be great to compare this to one of the best love stories Ever?

 

Then, it's pretty much just a joke if someone says "Still better love story than Twilight". It's just running joke in internet. Nothing to get serious about.

 

I thank you for taking the time to read this, and for respecting my opinion. I won't argue a lot of your points, because I know we just interpret things differently, but I will say I don't really agree with what bay said about Bella (for reasons I said in response). So, just look there if you want to see what I said. I'm tired of writing so much. LOL.

 

And, personally, though I can understand why you didn't think the vampires were badass in Twilight, I actually thought they were in some regards. First off, I loved the powers like Alice's. They also had some cool senses and abilities. Plus, they couldn't be destroyed by anything other than another supernatural creature, which I thought was a bit cool, because I think vampires are killed too easily in some mythologies, but this is just my opinion and you don't have to agree with it.

 

And I hate that they compared it to Titanic, too. Ugh. Twilight is not that good, has a ton of flaws, and honestly doesn't deserve all the hype (though I do enjoy it for the most part, and think the extreme hate is unneeded). However, I don't think Stephenie or the film studio had anything to do with it. If I remember correctly, it was a review from Hollywood.com that said that. Annoying, yes. But not something to blame the people behind Twilight for.

 

And with that, I'm going to end this response. Thanks for debating civilly with me!

 

-Shanna

[Dracozombie 4,554]

I try not to judge people for what they have fun with. I (usually) don't whine on people who like yaoi, for instance, just like people (usually) don't whine on me for liking My Little Pony. Even if I try not to judge people's opinions, I just can't agree with this. Like, at all. I agree that Twilight hate is getting out of hand--personally, I wish people would just shut up about it so I don't have to deal with it or the fanbase/haters, both of which can be just as asinine as the other. But, not everyone blindly bashes the series. Many of them have legitimate reasons to hate it. If you want someone who went into the Twilight series almost completely blind, and dissected each book chapter by chapter for all its flaws, go read Mark Reads Twilight.

 

http://markreads.net/reviews/2010/11/complete-mark-reads-twilight-archive/

 

This for the people who don't have the energy/time/willpower to slog through an entire book series to make their judgement. While I think he can be a little nitpicky at times, for the most part, I almost completely agree with this guy. I suggest you give this a read; it'll be up to you whether you agree with him or not.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Dracozombie

[Amon 4,279]

One of my close friends read some of Twilight once, half an hour into it and she came down with the flu. She reads more than anyone I know (and rather quickly as a result) so I guess the horrors within that cursed book effect her more. That's right Twilight can make you sick.

 

I read a bit of it too and I gave up, it's too horrid to read. It's essentially a fanfiction that got published, it has all of the shitty qualities of your typical bad fanfiction. A main character that is an idealized version of the author, two impossibly attractive men fighting over her. It's the same crap we've all heard of 1000 times only made even worse.

 

The fandom is the worst part, I'm sure all of you know why. Oh what I wish would happen to Twilight and it's fans.

 

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

  On 11/19/2012 at 9:03 PM, 'Dracozombie' said:

I try not to judge people for what they have fun with. I (usually) don't whine on people who like yaoi, for instance, just like people (usually) don't whine on me for liking My Little Pony. Even if I try not to judge people's opinions, I just can't agree with this. Like, at all. I agree that Twilight hate is getting out of hand--personally, I wish people would just shut up about it so I don't have to deal with it or the fanbase/haters, both of which can be just as asinine as the other. But, not everyone blindly bashes the series. Many of them have legitimate reasons to hate it. If you want someone who went into the Twilight series almost completely blind, and dissected each book chapter by chapter for all its flaws, go read Mark Reads Twilight.

 

http://markreads.net...ilight-archive/

 

This for the people who don't have the energy/time/willpower to slog through an entire book series to make their judgement. While I think he can be a little nitpicky at times, for the most part, I almost completely agree with this guy. I suggest you give this a read; it'll be up to you whether you agree with him or not.

 

Heya, thanks for commenting:) Personally, I wish everyone would shut up about it, too. And be respectable to one another. Honestly, if the fanbase hadn't gotten so big, I think everyone would be happier. Frankly, it doesn't deserve the hype, but I can understand if people choose to like aspects of it.

 

And thanks for that link. I'll definitely have to check it out:) Though, honestly, I doubt it will tell me anything I haven't already thought about myself. Believe me, I personally don't like some of the things Twilight does, but yet, other parts of it makes it somewhat redeemable to me (unlike The Vampire Diaries), so I can like bits of it for my own personal reasons.

 

I just hate when people are cruel about Twilight, for the reasons I've stated above. While I know a lot of people have many good reasons not to like it (that I can respect and even agree with a lot of them), I just get irritated with the people who say things when they know nothing about it. Or are so crazy that they'll beat up Seth's actor because they don’t like Twilight, but I guess you get people like that in every fandom (especially when it gets big).

 

And I will say, that I do think Twilight did have/promote some good things (like I’ve already stated), so it's not all bad. For instance, I know people who absolutely hate the series, but still love Jasper and Alice. So sending fans death threats (when you may or may not like Alice even if you hate the series) is a bit extreme, but I digress.

 

I guess part of the reason I still tolerate Twilight is because I read it at a certain time in my life that worked. Plus, oddly enough, this book was the nail on the coffin that made me want to become an author. So yeah.

 

Anyway, thanks for talking with me civilly. I really relish intelligent conversations, so thanks. If only everyone could be like this...

Edited November 19, 2012 by DenizenofTwilight

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

  On 11/19/2012 at 9:39 PM, 'Amon' said:

One of my close friends read some of Twilight once, half an hour into it and she came down with the flu. She reads more than anyone I know (and rather quickly as a result) so I guess the horrors within that cursed book effect her more. That's right Twilight can make you sick.

 

I read a bit of it too and I gave up, it's too horrid to read. It's essentially a fanfiction that got published, it has all of the shitty qualities of your typical bad fanfiction. A main character that is an idealized version of the author, two impossibly attractive men fighting over her. It's the same crap we've all heard of 1000 times only made even worse.

 

The fandom is the worst part, I'm sure all of you know why. Oh what I wish would happen to Twilight and it's fans.

 

 

I'm just telling you now that The Vampire Diaries is a whole hell of a lot worse. If you can't tolerate Twilight, don't even think about reading those. And that at least deserves more hate than Twilight. Personally, I wish this would happen to that, but to each their own.

 

And I'm going to be respectful and not get mad about how you pretty much said you want the fans to die. I may not be a fan anymore, but serious or not that's no joking matter. Besides, any fandom is terrible. Look at KH! KH is my favorite thing in the world (and always will be), but man do I wish some of the people would take a hike sometimes!

Edited November 19, 2012 by DenizenofTwilight

[Amon 4,279]

  On 11/19/2012 at 10:16 PM, 'DenizenofTwilight' said:

I'm just telling you now that The Vampire Diaries is a whole hell of a lot worse. If you can't tolerate Twilight, don't even think about reading those. And that at least deserves more hate than Twilight. Personally, I wish this would happen to that, but to each their own.

A few friends of mine watch the show. Point is, the vampires don't sparkle, that already makes it better than Twilight.

 

 

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And I'm going to be respectful and not get mad about how you pretty much said you want the fans to die. I may not be a fan anymore, but serious or not that's no joking matter. Besides, any fandom is terrible. Look at KH! KH is my favorite thing in the world (and always will be), but man do I wish some of the people would take a hike sometimes!

I didn't say that I wanted the fans to die, okay fine I did but the fans are heretics of the highest degree. The God- Emperor does not protect those filth! And the KH fandom isn't all that bad. Yeah...it's bad but there are some intelligent folks around it. The Twilight fandom has a negative IQ.

[Cellar Door 652]

hey you know what a vampire looks like?

however you want, they're not real

 

my problem with the twilight series is that edward and bella's relationship is so glorified, to the point where it's used as a marketing campaign to 'want a boyfriend like edward' and 'have the twilight perfect relationship' and et cetera when in reality their relationship shows every sign of an abusive relationship and more.

i could care less about the book itself, i just find the messages that it sends and are being emphasized by the media to be disturbing.

[Henne 150]

Is it bad if I say that I slept during the first film? We had to watch it during a lesson in school. My friend had to wake me up.

Me: Yeah?

She: Yeah, it's over.

Me: Did the car kill them? Or at least was everything after the car thingie a dying dream of some sort?

She: No.

Me: Oh, me is very sad.