RWBY

[Yang 1,859]

Hmm... Idk. The fact that it's the female characters getting a lot of spotlight doesn't mean it's all due to feminism. The strong female characters give the show a really fun touch. But there's a lot of characters that are male that deserve more attention in the show, like Ozpin, Torchwick, Ren, Sun, and Neptune.

But all in all, as a woman, it is a relief to see really unique and diverse female characters at the front of the plot. That's what makes RWBY special. It's much nicer to see Yang as a deep, powerful character instead of just the one with the big tits.

[Firaga 5,947]

Really, she doesn't have so much a character as she does a persona, i.e. Barbara Dunkelman, who plays her, and who the writers focus on when they write her lines and overall motivation. And due to that, her character has both been all over the place and nonexistent at the same time.

Edited December 16, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Oh boy here we go...

Edited December 16, 2015 by Master Eraqus

[Skai 3,961]

I would personally just like the focus to shift back to Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Yang because it's R W B Y. lol They need to be fleshed out more, rather than adding more characters and changing the focus to whoever the plot needs at the time. I don't mind if I don't get to see Team JNPR or SSSN or even Ozpin and Glynda, if that means Team RWBY gets a couple more minutes to develop their characters.

 

So far, it's just been Weiss this volume. Ruby is just kinda there to remind you this is RWBY, Blake is practically AWOL, and Yang breaks legs and necks. (Oddly enough, Nora's not the one breaking legs.)

 

And also, I'd like to say that we never got to see Velvet's weapon and that irritates me. They keep teasing everyone's weapons and then doesn't show them. :I Qrow, Ozpin, Velvet, the guys from Team SSSN, etc.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

And also, I'd like to say that we never got to see Velvet's weapon and that irritates me. They keep teasing everyone's weapons and then doesn't show them. :I Qrow, Ozpin, Velvet, the guys from Team SSSN, etc.

Personally, I find it a little annoying but at the same time hilarious because I can just imagine the guys at RoosterTeeth just laughing like there's no tomorrow by teasing us.

 

But yeah, they're REALLY teasing us with Velvet's weapon, especially when Monty himself said it was his favourite weapon.

 

From what I can understand, it's probably something that can only be used once like a bomb or something. I got this impression when Coco states to not waste it at the end of Volume 2 after spending all semester building it up.

[Lulcielid 159]

Whatever Velvet´s weapon might be, i am theorizy that it will be a 1 hit K.O of big radius effect.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Whatever Velvet´s weapon might be, i am theorizy that it will be a 1 hit K.O of big radius effect.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe it's like a huge dust bomb with the radius of a nuke!!!

[OmegaForte 1,674]

I'm undecided if I should get a Yang figure (so she can go alongside the future 1/6 scaled version) or go with finishing up the plush collection by buying Weiss and Blake? Either choice/bundle comes up to the same price and I really want to take advantage of the sales today.

 

 

My thoughts exactly. Maybe it's like a huge dust bomb with the radius of a nuke!!!

 

inb4rawketlawnchair 

 

(Google it as I know no one will get the reference.)

Edited December 16, 2015 by OmegaForte

[Skai 3,961]

No clue if this has been posted, but there's another theory going around that Team CMEN (lol!) all have powers revolving around disguising or fooling the opposition vs. Neo having the sole power of illusion.

 

Mercury is Hermes, known as a trickster to some gods.

Emerald may be Cleopatra or a genderbent Aladdin/Alibaba, which the theory relies on to make sense. Aladdin is also a thief, who concealed himself.

Neo with her semblance.

Cinder is Cinderella. Everyone knows this story.

 

This theory is pretty interesting because everyone in their team would be based off good guys, save Neo...for now. Hermes fought for humanity against the gods, Aladdin is a Robin Hood-type, and Cinderella against her unfair treatment. This is just my own add to the theory. If this were the case, they might not be evil at all. Just a different side, different means to an end. Sort of like the heroes vs. vigilantes tropes.

 

EDIT: OH, also, when Cinder infiltrated the control room type place? she was wearing a Robin Hood-type of clothing and she wielded a bow and arrow. Adds a little weight to my add to the theory

 

Edited December 16, 2015 by Temmie

[Yang 1,859]

Really, she doesn't have so much a character as she does a persona, i.e. Barbara Dunkelman, who plays her, and who the writers focus on when they write her lines and overall motivation. And due to that, her character has both been all over the place and nonexistent at the same time.

... I have to disagree.

Yang shares a lot of certain characteristics that Barbara has, such as the optimistic attitude, puns, etc., but they are not one in the same. Yang herself has a great backstory and she also has a very diverse personality. She can get really angry when she's battling, but it's all for the protection of her friends and her sister. Add in the fact that she wants to know about her past and what happened to her mother. And she keeps this all secret to protect Ruby. It really makes her personality and overall character deep and interesting.

Her character is "all over the place" because she has to be to protect her sister.

[Firaga 5,947]

... I have to disagree.

Yang shares a lot of certain characteristics that Barbara has, such as the optimistic attitude, puns, etc., but they are not one in the same. Yang herself has a great backstory and she also has a very diverse personality. She can get really angry when she's battling, but it's all for the protection of her friends and her sister. Add in the fact that she wants to know about her past and what happened to her mother. And she keeps this all secret to protect Ruby. It really makes her personality and overall character deep and interesting.

Her character is "all over the place" because she has to be to protect her sister.

 

All of that is superfluous when you actually sit down and analyze her character.

 

Her "backstory" is barely even relevant considering her character has not engaged in anything beyond getting mad and punching crap since episode 1, sans the pointless escapades involving her visit to Junior's nightclub. Remember when she was looking for her mom? Neither do I.

 

M&K, and Monty himself even, said in an interview near the beginning of the show that they wanted her to start off as a air-headed party girl and then develop her into something deeper. They wanted to do this type of thing with all the characters actually. But Yang has stayed stagnant since day one because they screwed up and made her the overbearing sister she occasionally is now to Ruby without establishing the "party girl" thing at all.

 

And no, acting like an idiot and making stupid ass jokes is not being a party girl. She says she wants to be a free spirit and yet she has shown no signs of actually exhibiting those traits. They failed in characterizing her correctly.

 

Which brings me back to the "persona" argument. Yang is not a character. She is Barbara Dunkleman turned into a cartoon character and her only motivation is to be Barbara and occasionally fight once in a while. The writers treat Yang like her VA and therefore do not give her the proper treatment that a character should and have made her just as bad as her stupid puns.

[Yang 1,859]

All of that is superfluous when you actually sit down and analyze her character.

 

Her "backstory" is barely even relevant considering her character has not engaged in anything beyond getting mad and punching crap since episode 1, sans the pointless escapades involving her visit to Junior's nightclub. Remember when she was looking for her mom? Neither do I.

 

M&K, and Monty himself even, said in an interview near the beginning of the show that they wanted her to start off as a air-headed party girl and then develop her into something deeper. They wanted to do this type of thing with all the characters actually. But Yang has stayed stagnant since day one because they screwed up and made her the overbearing sister she occasionally is now to Ruby without establishing the "party girl" thing at all.

 

And no, acting like an idiot and making stupid ass jokes is not being a party girl. She says she wants to be a free spirit and yet she has shown no signs of actually exhibiting those traits. They failed in characterizing her correctly.

 

Which brings me back to the "persona" argument. Yang is not a character. She is Barbara Dunkleman turned into a cartoon character and her only motivation is to be Barbara and occasionally fight once in a while. The writers treat Yang like her VA and therefore do not give her the proper treatment that a character should and have made her just as bad as her stupid puns.

Alright, whatever you say.

Going by that logic, though, I'm honestly surprised you're still watching RWBY in general. Because what you described is all the things I find great about RWBY. Sure, they didn't get the whole "party girl" thing through. But I still love what they created instead. The jokes aren't stupid, they're light hearted and create a happy atmosphere. And I do like the references to Yang's VA, as well as with the other characters. That's what Rooster Teeth's comedy is built upon. And I understand you're not into that.

But the question is, why are you still watching?

[Firaga 5,947]

But the question is, why are you still watching?

 

At this point, me watching RWBY is pretty much the same as watching a car wreck. It's not just bad, but absolutely horrible, and yet for some reason, I just can't look away from it...

 

Okay, that's not it. Or at least, it's not the entire reasoning.

 

Look I do still like some elements of the show. I've always been impressed with them even up to now. Regardless of that, however, there's too much dissonance between what I like and I what I completely abhor.

 

I understand what the series is trying to accomplish, I really do. Monty Oum wanted to create a full fledged series with the same type of action he put into Dead Fantasy along with an anime-inspired storyline to go with it. But see, that's the thing: you can't just "write anime", you have to write good anime. There's too many problems with this show, starting at basic character structure all the way to keeping consistency in plot, dialogue or otherwise, and it continues to worsen its problems with each new episode. RT may like their comedy, but their show isn't just comedy. Attention and care need to be applied to all aspects of the show, not just one, no matter how "good" that one aspect may be either.

 

At the very least, I can say that the show has actually been helpful to me in some way. As an aspiring writer, I have to be, well, good at what I do, and part of that is not making the same mistakes as M&K do with RWBY. I've been able to learn a lot about proper scriptwriting, screenplay writing, and writing in general through this show, more so than I have through some of my college classes, due to the mediocrity that RWBY presents. So, regardless of its flaws, I guess it's doing something right.

 

Plus, I've just gone too far to really stop now. There's no way things can honestly get much worse.... or at least I hope...

 

And no, Yang's jokes are still trash.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Firaga Sensei

[TheKingdomkid 1,194]

All of that is superfluous when you actually sit down and analyze her character.

 

Her "backstory" is barely even relevant considering her character has not engaged in anything beyond getting mad and punching crap since episode 1, sans the pointless escapades involving her visit to Junior's nightclub. Remember when she was looking for her mom? Neither do I.

 

M&K, and Monty himself even, said in an interview near the beginning of the show that they wanted her to start off as a air-headed party girl and then develop her into something deeper. They wanted to do this type of thing with all the characters actually. But Yang has stayed stagnant since day one because they screwed up and made her the overbearing sister she occasionally is now to Ruby without establishing the "party girl" thing at all.

 

And no, acting like an idiot and making stupid ass jokes is not being a party girl. She says she wants to be a free spirit and yet she has shown no signs of actually exhibiting those traits. They failed in characterizing her correctly.

 

Which brings me back to the "persona" argument. Yang is not a character. She is Barbara Dunkleman turned into a cartoon character and her only motivation is to be Barbara and occasionally fight once in a while. The writers treat Yang like her VA and therefore do not give her the proper treatment that a character should and have made her just as bad as her stupid puns.

 

Alright, whatever you say.

Going by that logic, though, I'm honestly surprised you're still watching RWBY in general. Because what you described is all the things I find great about RWBY. Sure, they didn't get the whole "party girl" thing through. But I still love what they created instead. The jokes aren't stupid, they're light hearted and create a happy atmosphere. And I do like the references to Yang's VA, as well as with the other characters. That's what Rooster Teeth's comedy is built upon. And I understand you're not into that.

But the question is, why are you still watching?

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You are both right and wrong, yes Yang dose mirror off her VA more so then any of the other characters in RWBY but I don't really see how that makes her a "party girl" shes more of a go with the flow kind of girl.  But her character has improved and have gotten some depth probably the least out of the whole RWBY team beside Ruby, in episode 6 of Volume 2 we see into her backstory and learn of a failure that seems to still be lingering on her and she learned that she doesn't need to stop searching for answers but she's not going to let it control her.  And then in episode 9 when Oblick asked her the question she seemed to have been bothered by it and it made her think.  Unfortunately with Volume 3 there hasn't really been that much of character development for anyone, save for Weiss maybe, because majority of the episodes save for the most recent one have been fights with little other interaction between characters, not enough to develop character, but with how the recent episode ended we might see another side of Yang that we haven't before.

[OmegaForte 1,674]

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Unfortunately with Volume 3 there hasn't really been that much of character development for anyone, save for Weiss maybe, because majority of the episodes save for the most recent one have been fights with little other interaction between characters, not enough to develop character, but with how the recent episode ended we might see another side of Yang that we haven't before.

 

Exactly what I wanted to say.

 

I don't expect to get character development on every episode, especially for a show that's 10+ episodes per volume. The way the last episode was set, it's obvious she's going to get more development. Now if this doesn't happen and it's a simple "yeah we believe in you, but stay in jail till blah blah blah, yay you're free" route without her being affected in someway, then I will be disappointed as this is the perfect opportunity to set something up. A simply questioning of how aggressive she can be once she's ticked off (controlling her emotions) would be great, but I'm not going to lie. I want it to be some sort of darker situation, but that can be for later/someone else entirely. 

Edited December 17, 2015 by OmegaForte

[Firaga 5,947]

You are both right and wrong, yes Yang dose mirror off her VA more so then any of the other characters in RWBY but I don't really see how that makes her a "party girl" she's more of a go with the flow kind of girl.  But her character has improved and have gotten some depth probably the least out of the whole RWBY team beside Ruby, in episode 6 of Volume 2 we see into her backstory and learn of a failure that seems to still be lingering on her and she learned that she doesn't need to stop searching for answers but she's not going to let it control her.  And then in episode 9 when Oblick asked her the question she seemed to have been bothered by it and it made her think.

I don't expect to get character development on every episode, especially for a show that's 10+ episodes per volume. The way the last episode was set, it's obvious she's going to get more development. Now if this doesn't happen and it's a simple "yeah we believe in you, but stay in jail till blah blah blah, yay you're free" route without her being affected in someway, then I will be disappointed as this is the perfect opportunity to set something up. A simply questioning of how aggressive she can be once she's ticked off (controlling her emotions) would be great, but I'm not going to lie. I want it to be some sort of darker situation, but that can be for later/someone else entirely. 

 

You guys don't get it.

 

She was meant to be a party girl at the start and then develop into a more responsible and protective character. We went from point A to point B by taking shortcuts. That's not character development, it's lazy writing. She was supposed to be one-dimensional, but instead she was pretty much bi-polar. She went from fun loving to overprotective of Ruby and then in more acts of stupidity, she gets mad over her hair and over other dumb things.

 

And after the last arc of Volume 1, she's just an empty shell who doesn't do anything except crack jokes and crack skulls. And no, the backstory exposition doesn't help matters. The backstory of a character =/= the character. She still had a muddled development cycle and hasn't improved since then. The backstory just makes things worse by confirming that she's always been overprotective and makes all the scenes of her being an irresponsible jackass and then flip-flopping back even worse than they were before.

 

Also, having a little number of episodes is no excuse. The mini-arc that Weiss had in Volume 1 was greatly established and well done, and it barely took up more than one episode... of course, it was flushed down the toilet along with Weiss' character in general when she went back to being a racist cunt, but the point still stands.

 

Edited December 17, 2015 by Firaga Sensei

[Mirajane 169]

*changes subject

 

about the stoy of the maidens.  if ozpin confirms they exist that means the old man in the tale existed as well right? while the maidens supposedly have great power wouldnt this man who gave them this power be powerful as well if not more so? i kinda want to know more about him. did he have a form of "magic" as well (and if so where did he get it from?) or was him gifting them magic his semblance?

 

[OmegaForte 1,674]

You guys don't get it.

 

She was meant to be a party girl at the start and then develop into a more responsible and protective character. We went from point A to point B by taking shortcuts. That's not character development, it's lazy writing. She was supposed to be one-dimensional, but instead she was pretty much bi-polar. She went from fun loving to overprotective of Ruby and then in more acts of stupidity, she gets mad over her hair and over other dumb things.

 

And after the last arc of Volume 1, she's just an empty shell who doesn't do anything except crack jokes and crack skulls. And no, the backstory exposition doesn't help matters. The backstory of a character =/= the character. She still had a muddled development cycle and hasn't improved since then. The backstory just makes things worse by confirming that she's always been overprotective and makes all the scenes of her being an irresponsible jackass and then flip-flopping back even worse than they were before.

 

Also, having a little number of episodes is no excuse. The mini-arc that Weiss had in Volume 1 was greatly established and well done, and it barely took up more than one episode... of course, it was flushed down the toilet along with Weiss' character in general when she went back to being a racist cunt, but the point still stands.

 

 

Who are you to decide what she's suppose to be? I'll leave it at that.

 

I really didn't see much going on with Weiss till the last episodes, and it wasn't anything major imo. 

Edited December 17, 2015 by OmegaForte

[Firaga 5,947]

Who are you to decide what she's suppose to be? I'll leave it at that.

 

I really didn't see much going on with Weiss till the last episodes, and it wasn't anything major imo. 

 

It was the intention of the creators themselves and officially stated in a commentary track. Look it up.

 

I'm not talking about her total non-conflict with Blake that only ruined the actual arc that I'm referring to, which was when she was taking a hit to her ego and in turn start acting nicer to Ruby. Everything pretty much worked for that brief period.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Firaga Sensei

[OmegaForte 1,674]

It was the intention of the creators themselves and officially stated in a commentary track. Look it up.I'm not talking about her total non-conflict with Blake that only ruined the actual arc that I'm referring to, which was when she was taking a hit to her ego and in turn start acting nicer to Ruby. Everything pretty much worked for that brief period.

Interesting. Still even if it was their intentions, they probably want to wait for the right moments. It doesn't necessarily mean asap. I guess I'm used to being very patience to when characters developement. I still like her personality, it's who she is+sooner or later she'll learn to not get her angry get the best if her. Then there's that relationship with her mother... Ugh they really need to explain that last scene (is it a dream or does she even remember anything about her), but that's another story. Edited December 17, 2015 by OmegaForte

[Firaga 5,947]

Interesting. Still even if it was their intentions, they probably want to wait for the right moments. It doesn't necessarily mean asap. I guess I'm used to being very patience to when characters develope. I still like her personality, it's who she is+sooner or later she'll learn to not get her angry get the best if her, her mother... Ugh they really need to explain that, but that's another story.

 

Well, there's at least one thing we agree on then.

 

And no, they didn't "wait" at all. They didn't even established the party girl persona other than what can only be summed up as a "couple" of "traits". Other than that, full on overprotective... then to an actual "party girl"... and back again... rinse and repeat.

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

We need Raven now, more than ever. That scene needs explanation.

[OmegaForte 1,674]

Well, there's at least one thing we agree on then.And no, they didn't "wait" at all. They didn't even established the party girl persona other than what can only be summed up as a "couple" of "traits". Other than that, full on overprotective... then to an actual "party girl"... and back again... rinse and repeat.

Probably has something to with her history at her previous school(s). As for being overprotective, I found the backstory a good start and I can see more backstories/future situations supporting that, but each to their own I suppose.

[Lulcielid 159]

This fan art

 

 

Edited December 18, 2015 by Lulcielid

[TheKingdomkid 1,194]

No new episode of RWBY today but you can go to YouTube or the Rooster Teeth website to watch a live stream with the cast and crew as they do a Q&A (nothing about spoilers though)

 

Edit: They talked about a few things on the live stream about the differences between, Aura, Semblances, Dust, and now Magic and how we will learn a little about magic earlier and then more later.

 

How Monty had the story of the Maidens early on.

 

The tone is going to be different for the rest of the Volume from here on out. 

 

The schedule for the rest of the season is next week a world of Remnant, then chapters 7, 8, 9, another world of Remnant, and then chapter 10, 11, 12.  And the season will wrap up around Valentines day which seems like a big deal with how Miles reacted to that so that could be something to look forward too. 

 

Gray also said that this is the end of the beginning that Volumes 1 2 and 3 where the build up to an even bigger story and how those volumes are Act 1. 

 

I don't know if this live stream will be archived for people who missed it but that is the most that came out of it besides also some talk about the video game and how they might release it on different platforms but right now they are focusing on steam. 

 

They talked about the Japaneses dubs and some stories from that and the manga as well, and some merchandise as well as a possible RWBY art book similar to the one they have of Red vs Blue.

 

They couldn't talk about too much of some things because of spoilers but they all seemed very excited for whats coming up

Edited December 19, 2015 by TheKingdomkid