Is this truly how some people honestly think?

[Kirux 1,224]

http://youtu.be/E1WDxSAyaR0

 

 

Wait...back up did he just?

 

Yes, yes he did.

 

And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.

Do people truly honestly think this? That a horrible terrible action such as rape would be justified and intended because of a deity?

 

I cannot even fathom this. To me, personally, this is absolutely wrong. I can understand being prolife. I can understand not wanting to make any exceptions, but to go as far as to say "God intended [it] to happen"?

 

Article here: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mourdock-pregnancies-from-rape-something-that-god-intended

[PillowHead 569]

Ta-da, that's almost all forms of religion for you. They form it however they want, just so they can feel safe, or make things the way they want.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

There's lots of examples in history where people used God's name to rationalize screwing other people over (sometimes literally, like in this case).

[Blake 776]

God intended this guy to be a complete dumb ass.

 

Seems Legit.

[Kirux 1,224]

I feel like I'm the only person who is sickened by the fact he would even say it.

[Think Pink 1,967]

http-~~-//youtu.be/E1WDxSAyaR0

 

 

Wait...back up did he just?

 

Yes, yes he did.

 

 

 

Do people truly honestly think this? That a horrible terrible action such as rape would be justified and intended because of a deity?

 

I cannot even fathom this. To me, personally, this is absolutely wrong. I can understand being prolife. I can understand not wanting to make any exceptions, but to go as far as to say "God intended [it] to happen"?

 

Article here: http://livewire.talk...at-god-intended

 

I think you're misinterpreting what he said.

 

Not that rape is ever okay, but the best way I can explain it is that (Speaking from my personal Christian POV) God controls everything. If someone is raped, it's not to say that God was like I WANT THIS BAD SHIT TO HAPPEN, but he knows it's going to happen, and there's more to the story. There can be good that comes out of bad. Like the anti-bullying laws passed after Phoebe Prince died, the creation of the Amber Alert, ect. If our lives were perfect it would kind of defeat to purpose of life itself.

 

Bad things are not something God makes happen--they are a lack of God. If that makes any sense? I don't think he meant "God wants women to be raped" or anything like that.

 

Edit: Sorry, I'm not sure if I explained my thoughts well. I don't have much of a way with words.

Edited October 24, 2012 by Think Pink

[Number XV 490]

I think you're misinterpreting what he said.

 

Not that rape is ever okay, but the best way I can explain it is that (Speaking from my personal Christian POV) God controls everything. If someone is raped, it's not to say that God was like I WANT THIS BAD SHIT TO HAPPEN, but he knows it's going to happen, and there's more to the story. There can be good that comes out of bad. Like the anti-bullying laws passed after Phoebe Prince died, the creation of the Amber Alert, ect. If our lives were perfect it would kind of defeat to purpose of life itself.

 

Bad things are not something God makes happen--they are a lack of God. If that makes any sense? I don't think he meant "God wants women to be raped" or anything like that.

 

Edit: Sorry, I'm not sure if I explained my thoughts well. I don't have much of a way with words.

 

So someone must be hurt to learn a lesson or to create a law?

All right, by that logic, I hope you get shot so better gun control laws are created.

Not very fun, is it?

There's no excuse, there's no religion in rape. No one deserves to be raped and any god who knew it would happen but wouldn't do anything about it has to be the shittiest excuse for a god ever.

[Kirux 1,224]

I think you're misinterpreting what he said.

 

Not that rape is ever okay, but the best way I can explain it is that (Speaking from my personal Christian POV) God controls everything. If someone is raped, it's not to say that God was like I WANT THIS BAD SHIT TO HAPPEN, but he knows it's going to happen, and there's more to the story. There can be good that comes out of bad. Like the anti-bullying laws passed after Phoebe Prince died, the creation of the Amber Alert, ect. If our lives were perfect it would kind of defeat to purpose of life itself.

 

Bad things are not something God makes happen--they are a lack of God. If that makes any sense? I don't think he meant "God wants women to be raped" or anything like that.

 

Edit: Sorry, I'm not sure if I explained my thoughts well. I don't have much of a way with words.

 

But to deny a woman the right to terminate a pregnancy that was forced onto her and saying that it was 'god's will' that she concepted...

 

it's just plain insensitive and wrong.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think you're misinterpreting what he said.

 

Not that rape is ever okay, but the best way I can explain it is that (Speaking from my personal Christian POV) God controls everything. If someone is raped, it's not to say that God was like I WANT THIS BAD SHIT TO HAPPEN, but he knows it's going to happen, and there's more to the story. There can be good that comes out of bad. Like the anti-bullying laws passed after Phoebe Prince died, the creation of the Amber Alert, ect. If our lives were perfect it would kind of defeat to purpose of life itself.

 

Bad things are not something God makes happen--they are a lack of God. If that makes any sense? I don't think he meant "God wants women to be raped" or anything like that.

 

Edit: Sorry, I'm not sure if I explained my thoughts well. I don't have much of a way with words.

 

I know exactly what you are saying .That he wasn't saying God intended for a person to be raped but that he felt like a new life made out of the situation could be the only 'good ' thing that could come outta it ...However, even if the baby is innocent its like being constantly reminded of what happened and I can understand the trauma of carrying a rapists child and whatnot . Christians believe that God does not cause the bad things to happen but he will be there to pick up the pieces for you when you call to him ..I don't know what God would say about this but I'm sure he understands the pain of the situation and would understand the choice to abort ..

[Think Pink 1,967]

I know exactly what you are saying .That he wasn't saying God intended for a person to be raped but that he felt like a new life made out of the situation could be the only 'good ' thing that could come outta it ...However, even if the baby is innocent its like being constantly reminded of what happened and I can understand the trauma of carrying a rapists child and whatnot . Christians believe that God does not cause the bad things to happen but he will be there to pick up the pieces for you when you call to him ..I don't know what God would say about this but I'm sure he understands the pain of the situation and would understand the choice to abort ..

 

^basically this

But to deny a woman the right to terminate a pregnancy that was forced onto her and saying that it was 'god's will' that she concepted...

 

it's just plain insensitive and wrong.

 

I never said she should be denied the right to terminate a pregnancy. I was just referring to the specific comment the thread creator had highlighted, which wasn't talking about whether a woman should be allowed to abort or not. That's a totally different topic.

So someone must be hurt to learn a lesson or to create a law?

All right, by that logic, I hope you get shot so better gun control laws are created.

Not very fun, is it?

There's no excuse, there's no religion in rape. No one deserves to be raped and any god who knew it would happen but wouldn't do anything about it has to be the shittiest excuse for a god ever.

 

That's not what I'm saying. I guess I really don't have much of a way with words. Also we need less strict gun control laws, not even more strict ones

I'm not saying it's good, but bad things happen. Having a perfect life kind of defeats the entire purpose of life. I don't really feel like getting into a philosophical conversation about God. We are not equals to God. From our perspective, maybe it does some bad, but in the scheme of things, it isn't. To quote someone else:

We must first acknowledge that the difference between us and God is greater than the difference between us and, say, a bear. Then, imagine a bear in a trap and a hunter who, out of sympathy, wants to liberate him. He tries to win the bears confidence, but he can't do it, so he has to shoot the bear full of drugs.

 

The bear, however, thinks this is an attack and that the hunter is trying to kill him. He doesn't realize that this isn't an attack and that this is being done out of compassion. Then, in order to get the bear out of the trap to release the tension on the spring. If the bear were semiconscious at that point, he would be even more convinced that the hunter was his enemy who was out to cause him suffering and chaos.

 

 

But the bear would be wrong. He reaches this incorrect conclusion because he's not a human being. Now, how can anyone be certain that's not an analogy between us and God? I believe God does the same to us sometimes, and we can't comprehend it any more than the bear can understand the motivations of the hunter

[Amon 4,279]

Only good can come of this thread.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Only good can come of this thread.

 

It only took a small handful of posts for the shitstorm to start. Welcome to the interwebs.

[Firaga 5,947]

Oh sure....God wanted his creations to do terrible things to each other....oh yeah, he wanted them to fight in wars and live in a cycle of hatred, too....

[Kirux 1,224]

I never said she should be denied the right to terminate a pregnancy. I was just referring to the specific comment the thread creator had highlighted, which wasn't talking about whether a woman should be allowed to abort or not. That's a totally different topic.

 

As the thread creator, the only reason it was bolded was because it was bolded from the site I was quoting. I know *you* weren't saying that, but Murdock is and THAT'S my problem.

 

 

It only took a small handful of posts for the shitstorm to start. Welcome to the interwebs.

 

To be honest this is truly civil. A miss communication here and there that was settled pretty quickly, but nothing major.

[Amon 4,279]

Oh sure....God wanted his creations to do terrible things to each other....oh yeah, he wanted them to fight in wars and live in a cycle of hatred, too....

 

He certainly isn't doing a very good job making sure we don't.

[Firaga 5,947]

He certainly isn't doing a very good job making sure we don't.

 

Eh....nah. Not really. I gotta be honest.

[Amon 4,279]

Eh....nah. Not really. I gotta be honest.

 

Really? Let's look at the last 100 years of human history.

 

 

Hmmm, maybe you're right.

[Firaga 5,947]

Really? Let's look at the last 100 years of human history.

 

 

Hmmm, maybe you're right.

 

Yep. It's just like the song says..."We're All To Blame".

[Kirux 1,224]

Really? Let's look at the last 100 years of human history.

 

 

Hmmm, maybe you're right.

 

Yep. It's just like the song says..."We're All To Blame".

 

You're both making this topic about something it is not.

 

It's about a man saying a woman getting pregnant after being raped is God's will.

Not about how shitty humans are in general.

[Amon 4,279]

Yep. It's just like the song says..."We're All To Blame".

 

Your sarcasm detectors are broken.

You're both making this topic about something it is not.

 

It's about a man saying a woman getting pregnant after being raped is God's will.

Not about how shitty humans are in general.

 

We are still on the general topic. Kirux argued that God has nothing to do with it, where as I am arguing that God does.

[Kirux 1,224]

Your sarcasm detectors are broken.

 

 

We are still on the general topic. Kirux argued that God has nothing to do with it, where as I am arguing that God does.

 

What about me? I don't remember doing that.

 

My point was

But to deny a woman the right to terminate a pregnancy that was forced onto her and saying that it was 'god's will' that she concepted...

 

It's just plain insensitive and wrong.

 

Not that God has nothing to do with it.

 

It's that any plans a God may or may not have about something should not effect a policy that regards what I may or may not do to *my* body.

 

Yes, America''s bill of rights entails the right to free religions to all it's people. That does not, however; give the politicians a right to base a bill of the principles of his or her own religion and force it upon an entire nation of people.

Edited October 24, 2012 by Kirux

[Amon 4,279]

 

 

What about me? I don't remember doing that.

 

My point was [/color]

 

Not that God has nothing to do with it.

 

It's that any plans a God may or may not have about something should not effect a policy that regards what I may or may not do to *my* body.

 

Yes, America''s bill of rights entails the right to free religions to all it's people. That does not, however; give the politicians a right to base a bill of the principles of his or her own religion and force it upon an entire nation of people.

 

My bad, I meant Firega. I was distracted at the moment I was typing that.

[Kirux 1,224]

My bad, I meant Firega. I was distracted at the moment I was typing that.

 

Ah, okay ^-^ Thanks for clarifying.

[Firaga 5,947]

 

 

It's about a man saying a woman getting pregnant after being raped is God's will.

Not about how shitty humans are in general.

 

Ah, but the man saying these weird beliefs IS a shitty human....just like the rest of the shitty humans that started wars, spread hatred, etc...all we're doing is highlighting the subject to a bigger picture, is all.

[dusk 910]

This just proves again how stupid people really are. It makes me sad to see how people like he destroys my intrests on religions...