Questions About Xemnas and Some Other Things?

[venxas24 544]

I have many questions regarding this, sorry if they're old but I don't know them so whatever. Okay so Xemnas is the Nobody of Xehanort in Terra's body, so first question is wouldn't that technically make Xemnas the Nobody of Terra? Another thing I thought of is how at the end of BBS in blank points, i think, it shows a discussion between MX and Terra, which I assume is taking place in Terra's heart. So my question is wouldn't Xemnas be like Roxas, a body with a heart in it. Or were Terra and MX's hearts combined or something. It also says in blank points that Eraqus had set foot in his heart. Does that mean that Eraqus's heart had hidden in Terra when his body was defeated? It just isn't clear to me. Does anyone know?

[PillowHead 569]

No, he's still the nobody of Xehanort, just with Terra's body. At least, that's what I think.

[OkashiraKenrex 251]

he has the body terra and part of his memories,all 3 hearts were lost cuz they where tied to each other but in a way terra was just the medium.and the fact that xehanort controlled all 3 darknesses.well i do not know about eraqus.

 

RRRRGGGHGGHhh,he is my fav. chara and i barely can answer this question.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Xemnas is the actual nobody of Apprentice Xehanort who is Terras body and heart with MX's heart..Terras heart was battling for control with MX's heart. MX's heart was trying to consume Terras... Technically Xemnas is a shared nobody of Terra and MX (with Eraqus in the mix somehow) . Nomura did say he was a special nobody considering his circumstances . ..

Edited October 21, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

  On 10/21/2012 at 10:52 PM, 'Venxas24' said:

I have many questions regarding this, sorry if they're old but I don't know them so whatever.

Okay so Xemnas is the Nobody of Xehanort in Terra's body, so first question is wouldn't that technically make Xemnas the Nobody of Terra?

Another thing I thought of is how at the end of BBS in blank points, i think, it shows a discussion between MX and Terra, which I assume is taking place in Terra's heart. So my question is wouldn't Xemnas be like Roxas, a body with a heart in it. Or were Terra and MX's hearts combined or something. It also says in blank points that Eraqus had set foot in his heart. Does that mean that Eraqus's heart had hidden in Terra when his body was defeated? It just isn't clear to me. Does anyone know?

 

First answer is already complicated and deals with what an individual is. Forget the warm-up, let's get straight into philosophy. Terra ceased to exist, in any physical sense, in BBS. His heart was still in his body, but had been subsumed by that of Xehanort's. Unfortunately when Terranort was defeated he lost his memories, creating Apprentice Xehanort. This was an entirely separate person. It would be roughly comparable to cloning Terra and then putting a different consciousness in the body. Now, if Apprentice Xehanort had been the one who had turned into a Nobody then we could say Xemnas is his Nobody, with the memories of Terra and Xehanort still in his heart somewhere. But with the revelation he regained his memories prior to turning into a Nobody, this means that he is Xehanort's Nobody, but with an ill-defined connection to Terra due to Apprentice Xehanort having some connection.

 

This is actually fairly simple. Sora had multiple hearts in him, imagine a basket with three apples in it, each one being a heart. When a Heartless steals your apple it causes the other apples to go off and do other things. But Xehanort wasn't coexisting with Terra's heart, he was controlling it, he was an evil caramel coating on Terra's apple-heart. So when his heart was lost there wasn't another heart to give to Xemnas.

 

The exact nature of what happened to Eraqus is still a bit of a mystery. The two dominate theories are that he gave his heart to Terra, and that he gave Terra his light. Each one has some strong circumstantial evidence, and its own flaws, but at this point it's too early to call.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

  On 10/21/2012 at 11:43 PM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

First answer is already complicated and deals with what an individual is. Forget the warm-up, let's get straight into philosophy. Terra ceased to exist, in any physical sense, in BBS. His heart was still in his body, but had been subsumed by that of Xehanort's. Unfortunately when Terranort was defeated he lost his memories, creating Apprentice Xehanort. This was an entirely separate person. It would be roughly comparable to cloning Terra and then putting a different consciousness in the body. Now, if Apprentice Xehanort had been the one who had turned into a Nobody then we could say Xemnas is his Nobody, with the memories of Terra and Xehanort still in his heart somewhere. But with the revelation he regained his memories prior to turning into a Nobody, this means that he is Xehanort's Nobody, but with an ill-defined connection to Terra due to Apprentice Xehanort having some connection.

 

This is actually fairly simple. Sora had multiple hearts in him, imagine a basket with three apples in it, each one being a heart. When a Heartless steals your apple it causes the other apples to go off and do other things. But Xehanort wasn't coexisting with Terra's heart, he was controlling it, he was an evil caramel coating on Terra's apple-heart. So when his heart was lost there wasn't another heart to give to Xemnas.

 

The exact nature of what happened to Eraqus is still a bit of a mystery. The two dominate theories are that he gave his heart to Terra, and that he gave Terra his light. Each one has some strong circumstantial evidence, and its own flaws, but at this point it's too early to call.

 

I agree with some of this till you got to the part where you said Xemnas is just Xehanorts nobody bc he regained his memories...AX was still consisting of Terras heart and body and soul even if MX's heart was trying to consume it ..Just bc MX was in control doesn't mean he didn't also regain some of Terras memories along with his .Its just that MX was in control . When he stabbed Braig he even denounced calling himself Xehanort and called himself Ansem..He also did other questionable things like talk to Aqua's armor that pointed to Terra still being in there somewhere even if not in control. ..Point being, Terra was still in there just as much if not more considering its Terras actual body and soul..Xemnas is definitely not just Xehanort 's nobody but also Terras who which made up AX..Roxas was born without any memories making him like a zombie but yet he was still Sora's nobody

Edited October 22, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

  On 10/22/2012 at 12:29 AM, 'Flaming Lea' said:

I agree with some of this till you got to the part where you said Xemnas is just Xehanorts nobody bc he regained his memories...AX was still consisting of Terras heart and body and soul even if MX's heart was trying to consume it ..Just bc MX was in control doesn't mean he didn't also regain some of Terras memories along with his .Its just that MX was in control . When he stabbed Braig he even denounced calling himself Xehanort and called himself Ansem..He also did other questionable things like talk to Aqua's armor that pointed to Terra still being in there somewhere even if not in control. ..Point being, Terra was still in there just as much if not more considering its Terras actual body and soul..Xemnas is definitely not just Xehanort 's nobody but also Terras...

 

I am under the impression Terra's soul is currently in his armor. I believe Xemnas is Xehanort's Nobody because his actions were (semi-)intentionally designed for the benefit of Xehanort.

Apprentice Xehanort was the individual who first took on the Ansem identity, and upon regaining Xehanort's memories was still the dominant personality. So he would consider himself Ansem, in the same way Roxas considers himself Roxas even with Sora's memories. But that identity seems to have laregly gone to Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who continued the research journal, and the same goals as that of Apprentice Xehanort. Xemnas is more technically an imperfect Nobody of Apprentice Xehanort/Xehanort. I say imperfect because he (assuming he wasn't lying near the end of KH II) does not have, at the very least, complete memories of Terra, Xehanort, or Apprentice Xehanort. I see him as recognizing Aqua's armor as something that's supposed to be important, having some connection to a friend he can't recall. But his actions are those of Xehanort, but his strongest memories are those of Apprentice Xehanort, based on his dialogue with Ansem the Wise.

 

Just for the record, I've written papers about multiple personality disorder that are easier to keep track of the personalities.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

  On 10/22/2012 at 12:44 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I am under the impression Terra's soul is currently in his armor. I believe Xemnas is Xehanort's Nobody because his actions were (semi-)intentionally designed for the benefit of Xehanort.

Apprentice Xehanort was the individual who first took on the Ansem identity, and upon regaining Xehanort's memories was still the dominant personality. So he would consider himself Ansem, in the same way Roxas considers himself Roxas even with Sora's memories. But that identity seems to have laregly gone to Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who continued the research journal, and the same goals as that of Apprentice Xehanort. Xemnas is more technically an imperfect Nobody of Apprentice Xehanort/Xehanort. I say imperfect because he (assuming he wasn't lying near the end of KH II) does not have, at the very least, complete memories of Terra, Xehanort, or Apprentice Xehanort. I see him as recognizing Aqua's armor as something that's supposed to be important, having some connection to a friend he can't recall. But his actions are those of Xehanort, but his strongest memories are those of Apprentice Xehanort, based on his dialogue with Ansem the Wise.

 

Just for the record, I've written papers about multiple personality disorder that are easier to keep track of the personalities.

 

Terras armor has his thoughts not his soul ( Nomura confirmed this ) . Your soul stays in the body .. Nomura himself also said this ..Also Roxas was born without Soras memories hence him being a 'zombie " but yet was still considered Soras nobody .As i mentioned before, just bc MX was in control doesn' t mean Terras memories weren't there anymore either .Its just that MX was in control .We also do not know if that when he regained MX's memories he also regained some of Terras as well..Exactly what and how much is a mystery ..Thats why him visiting Aquas armor is very telling bc AX wouldn't know her nor is she MX's friend. Also Xemnas himself confirmed he was lying about everything ..At the end of the day , no matter whose heart was in control when AX split himself, he still is BOTH Terras and Xehanorts

Edited October 22, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

  On 10/21/2012 at 11:43 PM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

First answer is already complicated and deals with what an individual is. Forget the warm-up, let's get straight into philosophy. Terra ceased to exist, in any physical sense, in BBS. His heart was still in his body, but had been subsumed by that of Xehanort's. Unfortunately when Terranort was defeated he lost his memories, creating Apprentice Xehanort. This was an entirely separate person. It would be roughly comparable to cloning Terra and then putting a different consciousness in the body. Now, if Apprentice Xehanort had been the one who had turned into a Nobody then we could say Xemnas is his Nobody, with the memories of Terra and Xehanort still in his heart somewhere. But with the revelation he regained his memories prior to turning into a Nobody, this means that he is Xehanort's Nobody, but with an ill-defined connection to Terra due to Apprentice Xehanort having some connection.

This statement alone has a lot a flaws in it Terra did not ever cease to exist physically at any point in the series. Terra's heart, body, and soul were all still intact when Master Xehanort took over Terra's body, in fact if anyone ceased to exist in the physical sense it was Master Xehanort as he had given up his body, and soul to implant his heart inside Terra. As Flaming Lea pointed out already a person's memories has nothing to do with whose Nobody and Heartless it is(Also like Flaming Lea said look at Roxas).

The "Soul" the lifeforce of all living beings, it is directly tied to the body allowing it to live this is also confirmed in interviews.

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

The body and soul are co-dependet on each other nieither can exist without the other for the soul give the body life, the heart is what gives that life it's own personality.

Terra's body and soul make up Xemnas's physical form, however because Master Xehanort's heart seemingly had the majority of control,it took on the personality of MX's will. That does not mean that Terra has been completelyy removed from the equation just that his control if any exists has been limited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 11:43 PM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

This is actually fairly simple. Sora had multiple hearts in him, imagine a basket with three apples in it, each one being a heart. When a Heartless steals your apple it causes the other apples to go off and do other things. But Xehanort wasn't coexisting with Terra's heart, he was controlling it, he was an evil caramel coating on Terra's apple-heart. So when his heart was lost there wasn't another heart to give to Xemnas.

 

Xehanort was not controlling his heart he commanding his body, Terra was fighting him all the way up untill the end of BBS on the inside and the outside.

Who is Apprentice Xehanort really?

 

A: Master Xehanort commandeering Terra’s body Master Xehanort wishes to bring back the Keyblade War and see what happens afterward with his own eyes, but once he found a way to accomplish this he was already an old man with only a few years left to him. Wishing to become young again, he finds Terra, and defeats him with darkness so he can take his body. That is the Xehanort that Ansem the Wise picks up, and makes his number one apprentice.

There is a fine difference between Sora's and Terranort's situations as far the multiple hearts thing is concerned. With Sora the extra heart within in him was not only asleep but it was fractured. Therefore it stood no ground in fight for control of Sora's body, and even if it did that was not the intention of ventus anyway. His heart was not strong enough to survive on it's own so it stayed within Sora's body. MX however was trying to get control over Terra's body in which the two hearts proceeded to struggle in which Master Xehanort apparently won.

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 12:44 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I am under the impression Terra's soul is currently in his armor. I believe Xemnas is Xehanort's Nobody because his actions were (semi-)intentionally designed for the benefit of Xehanort.

Apprentice Xehanort was the individual who first took on the Ansem identity, and upon regaining Xehanort's memories was still the dominant personality. So he would consider himself Ansem, in the same way Roxas considers himself Roxas even with Sora's memories. But that identity seems to have laregly gone to Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who continued the research journal, and the same goals as that of Apprentice Xehanort. Xemnas is more technically an imperfect Nobody of Apprentice Xehanort/Xehanort. I say imperfect because he (assuming he wasn't lying near the end of KH II) does not have, at the very least, complete memories of Terra, Xehanort, or Apprentice Xehanort. I see him as recognizing Aqua's armor as something that's supposed to be important, having some connection to a friend he can't recall. But his actions are those of Xehanort, but his strongest memories are those of Apprentice Xehanort, based on his dialogue with Ansem the Wise.

 

Just for the record, I've written papers about multiple personality disorder that are easier to keep track of the personalities.

 

No Terra's mind was was placed inside the Lingering Will this was confirmed in interview.

 

What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?

 

A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

 

 

Like I stated earlier the fact that Master Xehanort heart won the struggle between his and Terra's likely led to the shaping of the personalities of the heartless and nobody but regardless they are stil the shared Heartless and Nobody of MX and Terra. The fact that both Ansem and Xemnas both displayed some Terra like tendencies as well as had access to his memories suggests that a part of Terra will always exist within the two.

Nomura even hinted that it all came down to how the two's power was divided.

 

In "KHI", the robed man, Ansem the Wise's apprentice Xehanort's Heartless (the body of Xehanort's Heartless before he inhabited Riku's body), appeared on the Destiny Islands. Is this because it was Master Xehanort's homeworld?

 

Nomura: That may be one reason, but if he somehow had some of Terra's memories, we can consider that it might be because he had laid eyes on Riku previously. In terms of the elements of Terra and Master Xehanort, I think the questions of how their power is related and divided, as well as who has whose memories and heart, will become a key to the story* after this one.

Edited October 22, 2012 by devereauxr

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

I hope you two don’t mind, I had to put my response in a Word Document and so tidied up some grammatical errors. It shouldn’t change any of your points.

  On 10/22/2012 at 12:57 AM, 'Flaming Lea' said:

Terra's armor has his thoughts not his soul (Nomura confirmed this). Your soul stays in the body. Nomura himself also said this. Also Roxas was born without Sora's memories hence him being a 'zombie' but yet was still considered Sora's nobody. As I mentioned before, just because MX was in control doesn't mean Terra’s memories weren't there anymore either. It’s just that MX was in control .We also do not know if that when he regained MX's memories he also regained some of Terra’s as well. Exactly what and how much is a mystery. That's why him visiting Aqua's armor is very telling because AX wouldn't know her nor is she MX's friend. Also Xemnas himself confirmed he was lying about everything. At the end of the day, no matter whose heart was in control when AX split himself, he still is BOTH Terra’s and Xehanort’s

 

I had read that Terra’s thoughts remained in his armor, that this was what the Lingering Sentiment was. But in Kingdom Hearts we have the trinity of heart, soul and body. From what I understood the heart is an animating force, the body is what is animated, and the soul just… does stuff. Souly things. I know the soul holds a connection to the body, it was confirmed that Nobodies have bodies and souls, but not hearts (in their default state). I fail to see the relevance of Roxas’ birth without Sora’s memories. Roxas is only a Nobody in the sense that that’s the classification he falls under by certain definitions. Not trying to sound to nerdy, but it’s like classifying acids. Certain compounds may be qualified as acids under one definition, but not another. In the sense that a Nobody is the being that comes into existence upon the transformation into a heartless of a strong-willed individual, then Roxas is a Nobody. Using the definition of a Nobody being the heartless shell of a strong-willed individual who retains the memories and continues the existence of their past selves, Roxasis not a Nobody. I don’t claim that Apprentice Xehanort did or didn’t reclaim Terra’s memories, (though I’m unsure how he could do this if Terra’s thoughts, which would be based on his memories, are in his armor) I find it at least temporarily irrelevant. Upon regaining Xehanort’s memories, and by extension his goals and desires, (as evidenced by his creation of Xigbar) he did not at that time identify himself as Xehanort. He was Ansem, Apprentice Xehanort with the memories of, at least, Xehanort. Upon turning into a Heartless & Nobody he lost some amount of his memories from all 3 pasts, Terra’s Xehanort’s, and Apprentice Xehanort’s. As a Nobody is a body continuing on will power, I find the fact that his will was closest aligned with that of Xehanort to be an indication of whose Nobody he most is. It is probably some sort of split, pulling forth semi-random numbers; I’d say 70% Xehanort, 25% Apprentice Xehanort, 5% Terra. I don’t believe this is his memory of these individuals, I believe he has most memory of Apprentice Xehanort. This is a division of wills, the driving force for a Nobody. He is essentially Xehanort, with other factors coming into play, but never in direct opposition.

  On 10/22/2012 at 1:27 AM, 'devereauxr' said:

This statement alone has a lot a flaws in it Terra did not ever cease to exist physically at any point in the series. Terra's heart, body, and soul were all still intact when Master Xehanort took over Terra's body, in fact if anyone ceased to exist in the physical sense it was Master Xehanort as he had given up his body, and soul to implant his heart inside Terra. As Flaming Lea pointed out already a person's memories has nothing to do with whose Nobody and Heartless it is (Also like Flaming Lea said look at Roxas).

The "Soul" the life-force of all living beings, it is directly tied to the body allowing it to live this is also confirmed in interviews.

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

The body and soul are co-dependent on each other neither can exist without the other for the soul give the body life, the heart is what gives that life its own personality.

Terra's body and soul make up Xemnas's physical form, however because Master Xehanort's heart seemingly had the majority of control, it took on the personality of MX's will. That does not mean that Terra has been completely removed from the equation just that his control if any exists has been limited.

 

I am defining Terra’s physical existence as the union of Terra’s Mind, Heart, and Body. Not trying to dehumanize anyone, but these are the ingredients for Terra. If they are not combined, Terra does not exist in the physical world. Master Xehanort ceased existing in the physical world when Terranort lost his memories, because he had taken over Terra’s body, making it his own, creating a different union of heart, body, and soul. I’ll admit the memories piece is a weak point, I will try and more clearly indicate the separation of memory and will. From what I understand the soul is not a physical component. Terra’s soul cannot, in any way, shape, or form effect the physical appearance of Xemnas, unless the Nobodyfication process’ physical changes have some hitherto unknown connection to the soul. Will’s do not have personalities. Will is a mental ability to continue beyond struggle to a goal. I would say that Xemnas’ goal is shaped by Xehanort’s will, but not his personality. Xemnas’ personality is that of a lost and broken man trying to fix himself by any means necessary, while unconsciously furthering another’s end.

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 1:27 AM, 'devereauxr' said:

Xehanort was not controlling his heart he commanding his body, Terra was fighting him all the way up until the end of BBS on the inside and the outside.

Who is Apprentice Xehanort really?

 

A: Master Xehanort commandeering Terra’s body Master Xehanort wishes to bring back the Keyblade War and see what happens afterward with his own eyes, but once he found a way to accomplish this he was already an old man with only a few years left to him. Wishing to become young again, he finds Terra, and defeats him with darkness so he can take his body. That is the Xehanort that Ansem the Wise picks up, and makes his number one apprentice.

There is a fine difference between Sora's and Terranort's situations as far the multiple hearts thing is concerned. With Sora the extra heart within in him was not only asleep but it was fractured. Therefore it stood no ground in fight for control of Sora's body, and even if it did that was not the intention of Ventus anyway. His heart was not strong enough to survive on its own so it stayed within Sora's body. MX however was trying to get control over Terra's body in which the two hearts proceeded to struggle in which Master Xehanort apparently won.

 

I’m not claiming Xehanort has destroyed Terra’s heart, only that his heart is dominating Terra’s, and thereby the body. Continuing the apple metaphor, underneath that foul caramel coating lies a perfectly viable apple. But it is not presently usable.

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 1:27 AM, 'devereauxr' said:

No Terra's mind was placed inside the Lingering Will this was confirmed in interview.

 

What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?

 

A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the Keyblade Graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a Keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

 

 

Like I stated earlier the fact that Master Xehanort heart won the struggle between his and Terra's likely led to the shaping of the personalities of the heartless and nobody but regardless they are still the shared Heartless and Nobody of MX and Terra. The fact that both Ansem and Xemnas both displayed some Terra like tendencies as well as had access to his memories suggests that a part of Terra will always exist within the two.

Nomura even hinted that it all came down to how the two's power was divided.

 

I feel you are discounting the role that Apprentice Xehanort would have. It was in a sense, his body that Xehanort and Terra were fighting for. He didn’t steal it, no one was using it. So when the split occurred, some amount of him would be split as well. His will went primarily into Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who carried on his experiments. Terra is still there, but below Xehanort, who is below Apprentice Xehanort. Xehanort is the more dominant personality, but Apprentice Xehanortis still the basis for Xemnas and Ansem.

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 1:27 AM, 'devereauxr' said:

In KH I, the robed man, Ansem the Wise's apprentice Xehanort's Heartless (the body of Xehanort's Heartless before he inhabited Riku's body), appeared on the Destiny Islands. Is this because it was Master Xehanort's homeworld?

 

Nomura: That may be one reason, but if he somehow had some of Terra's memories, we can consider that it might be because he had laid eyes on Riku previously. In terms of the elements of Terra and Master Xehanort, I think the questions of how their power is related and divided, as well as who has whose memories and heart, will become a key to the story* after this one.

 

Nomura (shockingly) doesn’t say anything here. He says IF Ansem had some of Terra’s memories it’s a possibility he came to Destiny Islands knowing Riku would be there. This could befoof for thought, or it could be Nomura trolling us.Again.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I hope you two don’t mind, I had to put my response in a Word Document and so tidied up some grammatical errors. It shouldn’t change any of your points.

 

I had read that Terra’s thoughts remained in his armor, that this was what the Lingering Sentiment was. But in Kingdom Hearts we have the trinity of heart, soul and body. From what I understood the heart is an animating force, the body is what is animated, and the soul just… does stuff. Souly things. I know the soul holds a connection to the body, it was confirmed that Nobodies have bodies and souls, but not hearts (in their default state). I fail to see the relevance of Roxas’ birth without Sora’s memories. Roxas is only a Nobody in the sense that that’s the classification he falls under by certain definitions. Not trying to sound to nerdy, but it’s like classifying acids. Certain compounds may be qualified as acids under one definition, but not another. In the sense that a Nobody is the being that comes into existence upon the transformation into a heartless of a strong-willed individual, then Roxas is a Nobody. Using the definition of a Nobody being the heartless shell of a strong-willed individual who retains the memories and continues the existence of their past selves, Roxasis not a Nobody. I don’t claim that Apprentice Xehanort did or didn’t reclaim Terra’s memories, (though I’m unsure how he could do this if Terra’s thoughts, which would be based on his memories, are in his armor) I find it at least temporarily irrelevant. Upon regaining Xehanort’s memories, and by extension his goals and desires, (as evidenced by his creation of Xigbar) he did not at that time identify himself as Xehanort. He was Ansem, Apprentice Xehanort with the memories of, at least, Xehanort. Upon turning into a Heartless & Nobody he lost some amount of his memories from all 3 pasts, Terra’s Xehanort’s, and Apprentice Xehanort’s. As a Nobody is a body continuing on will power, I find the fact that his will was closest aligned with that of Xehanort to be an indication of whose Nobody he most is. It is probably some sort of split, pulling forth semi-random numbers; I’d say 70% Xehanort, 25% Apprentice Xehanort, 5% Terra. I don’t believe this is his memory of these individuals, I believe he has most memory of Apprentice Xehanort. This is a division of wills, the driving force for a Nobody. He is essentially Xehanort, with other factors coming into play, but never in direct opposition.

 

I am defining Terra’s physical existence as the union of Terra’s Mind, Heart, and Body. Not trying to dehumanize anyone, but these are the ingredients for Terra. If they are not combined, Terra does not exist in the physical world. Master Xehanort ceased existing in the physical world when Terranort lost his memories, because he had taken over Terra’s body, making it his own, creating a different union of heart, body, and soul. I’ll admit the memories piece is a weak point, I will try and more clearly indicate the separation of memory and will. From what I understand the soul is not a physical component. Terra’s soul cannot, in any way, shape, or form effect the physical appearance of Xemnas, unless the Nobodyfication process’ physical changes have some hitherto unknown connection to the soul. Will’s do not have personalities. Will is a mental ability to continue beyond struggle to a goal. I would say that Xemnas’ goal is shaped by Xehanort’s will, but not his personality. Xemnas’ personality is that of a lost and broken man trying to fix himself by any means necessary, while unconsciously furthering another’s end.

 

 

I’m not claiming Xehanort has destroyed Terra’s heart, only that his heart is dominating Terra’s, and thereby the body. Continuing the apple metaphor, underneath that foul caramel coating lies a perfectly viable apple. But it is not presently usable.

 

 

I feel you are discounting the role that Apprentice Xehanort would have. It was in a sense, his body that Xehanort and Terra were fighting for. He didn’t steal it, no one was using it. So when the split occurred, some amount of him would be split as well. His will went primarily into Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who carried on his experiments. Terra is still there, but below Xehanort, who is below Apprentice Xehanort. Xehanort is the more dominant personality, but Apprentice Xehanortis still the basis for Xemnas and Ansem.

 

 

Nomura (shockingly) doesn’t say anything here. He says IF Ansem had some of Terra’s memories it’s a possibility he came to Destiny Islands knowing Riku would be there. This could befoof for thought, or it could be Nomura trolling us.Again.

 

Ok The majority of what you just wrote doesn't even make sense in the fact that you don't acknowledge what a nobody actually is : The physical body and will/soul of a human after they lost their heart . Roxas being born without memories bc of how he was created is very relevant to the fact that he had no memories but that made him no less the nobody of Sora .Bottom line : Roxas is Soras nobody regardless what you are saying .Its cannon fact in every way . Despite not even having Soras memories he was still able to respond to Riku as Sora would when Riku said 'Cmon Sora I thought you were better than that " and Roxas responded "Look at which one of us is winning " ..He was shocked when he spouted that at Riku ..He didnt have Soras memories or heart but still retained those memories in himself..

 

Now look at Xemnas - hes the physical body /soul of TERRA( After losing the hearts) ..No matter whose heart was in control the bottom line is thats still Terras body, soul and even his heart that was all there in AX. So when he split himself theres still Terras body, soul, and possibly Terras memories with MX;s memories ,,Memories are in the body and in the heart and also mind ..Even if Terras MIND ( not soul ) was in Lingering , he still has memories in his body/soul and heart that remained in Terranort .. When Aqua confronts Terranort , Terra is still there fighting inside and obviously still thinking and has memories despite leaving thoughts in his armor..He was shown arguing with MX in his heart and even used a dual limit with Aqua trying to defeat MX clearly showing that despite leaving his thoughts in his armor he was most definitely there still memories in tact, and obviously thinking..

 

AX got memories back but we also don't know how much of whose he had -- just that MX was in control. All AX was was terranort with amnesia..So once he remembered he still remembered MX 's plan and quite possible Terras memories too.. Its not AX's plans that the organixation was for but MX's ..His memories obviously came back but theres no reason to not believe that so did some of Terras .. And if he didnt , the fact of the matter is Xemnas doesn't NEED Terras memories from his heart to still be Terras nobody considering that he is literally the shell and soul of Terra. At the end of the day Xemnas is a special nobody just like Roxas ( Nomuras words himself ).

 

Denying that Roxas wasnt truly a nobody bc of his lack of memorie just isnt true because its canon fact that Roxas IS a nobody and Soras nobody at that ..Xemnas is very similiar . He doesnt need terras memories to be his nobody bc he IS Terras body and soul ..He just happened to have another persons heart to when he was split so that makes him a shared nobody .

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I hope you two don’t mind, I had to put my response in a Word Document and so tidied up some grammatical errors. It shouldn’t change any of your points.

 

I had read that Terra’s thoughts remained in his armor, that this was what the Lingering Sentiment was. But in Kingdom Hearts we have the trinity of heart, soul and body. From what I understood the heart is an animating force, the body is what is animated, and the soul just… does stuff. Souly things. I know the soul holds a connection to the body, it was confirmed that Nobodies have bodies and souls, but not hearts (in their default state).

Did you even read what I wrote none of what you're saying makes any sense.

In Kingdom Hearts the soul is the life force of the body without it a person is dead Nomura straight up said this. The heart is what give a person identity this is done threw a hearts growth via memories and experiences in which the heart can feel and react to.

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

Once again the body and soul are co-dependent on each other neither can exist without the other for the soul give the body life, the heart is what gives that life its own personality.

Terra's body and soul make up Xemnas's physical form, however because Master Xehanort's heart seemingly had the majority of control, it took on the personality of MX's will. That does not mean that Terra has been completely removed from the equation just that his control if any exists has been limited.

 

 

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I fail to see the relevance of Roxas’ birth without Sora’s memories. Roxas is only a Nobody in the sense that that’s the classification he falls under by certain definitions. Not trying to sound to nerdy, but it’s like classifying acids. Certain compounds may be qualified as acids under one definition, but not another. In the sense that a Nobody is the being that comes into existence upon the transformation into a heartless of a strong-willed individual, then Roxas is a Nobody. Using the definition of a Nobody being the heartless shell of a strong-willed individual who retains the memories and continues the existence of their past selves, Roxasis not a Nobody.

What are you even talking about this makes no sense what so ever. The relevance of showing Roxas being born without memories disproves your point that Xemnas is only Xehanort's nobody. Despite the fact that Roxas was born without any knowledge or memories he is still considered Sora's nobody and is still influenced by him. The same thing applies to Xemnas, he defintely had influences of Terra within, even if Master Xehanort was the dominant persona within Xemnas the fact of the matter is it is still Terra's body and soul giving him ties to Terra.

 

 

 

 

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I don’t claim that Apprentice Xehanort did or didn’t reclaim Terra’s memories, (though I’m unsure how he could do this if Terra’s thoughts, which would be based on his memories, are in his armor) I find it at least temporarily irrelevant. Upon regaining Xehanort’s memories, and by extension his goals and desires, (as evidenced by his creation of Xigbar) he did not at that time identify himself as Xehanort. He was Ansem, Apprentice Xehanort with the memories of, at least, Xehanort. Upon turning into a Heartless & Nobody he lost some amount of his memories from all 3 pasts, Terra’s Xehanort’s, and Apprentice Xehanort’s. As a Nobody is a body continuing on will power, I find the fact that his will was closest aligned with that of Xehanort to be an indication of whose Nobody he most is. It is probably some sort of split, pulling forth semi-random numbers; I’d say 70% Xehanort, 25% Apprentice Xehanort, 5% Terra. I don’t believe this is his memory of these individuals, I believe he has most memory of Apprentice Xehanort. This is a division of wills, the driving force for a Nobody. He is essentially Xehanort, with other factors coming into play, but never in direct opposition.

You hanging by a thread in your arguement, which which is Xehanort's memory loss. The fact of the matter is it been has strongly been hinted at the fact the Xehanort was faking his memory loss. If he wasn't then he only lost them until the point when Ansem the Wise conducted his experiment on Xehanort, from then on he acted exactly in the interest of his maste plan. It is most likely at this point Master Xehanort's heart had been given enough headway to fully control Terra's body. He consciously involved the apprentices the darkness prepping them to become vessels, then went on to carry out his plans via turning all the apprentices into nobodies.

Master Xehanort may have won control over Terra's body but that does make Xemnas and Ansem exclusively Xehanort's heartless and nobody. The memories that were dominat within the somebody does not determine whose NObody and heartless either, they may however decide whose personality will be dominat within the two.The bottom line is Terranort composed of Terra's body with both Master Xehanort's and Terra's heart, making both the nobody and heartless shared.

 

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I am defining Terra’s physical existence as the union of Terra’s Mind, Heart, and Body. Not trying to dehumanize anyone, but these are the ingredients for Terra. If they are not combined, Terra does not exist in the physical world. Master Xehanort ceased existing in the physical world when Terranort lost his memories, because he had taken over Terra’s body, making it his own, creating a different union of heart, body, and soul. I’ll admit the memories piece is a weak point, I will try and more clearly indicate the separation of memory and will. From what I understand the soul is not a physical component. Terra’s soul cannot, in any way, shape, or form effect the physical appearance of Xemnas, unless the Nobodyfication process’ physical changes have some hitherto unknown connection to the soul. Will’s do not have personalities. Will is a mental ability to continue beyond struggle to a goal. I would say that Xemnas’ goal is shaped by Xehanort’s will, but not his personality. Xemnas’ personality is that of a lost and broken man trying to fix himself by any means necessary, while unconsciously furthering another’s end.

Xemnas shared features of both Terra and Master Xehanort how can you honestly say the fact that Xemnas is literally Terra's body means he has not ties, control or influce over it. Once again memories have nothing to do with whose nobody it is, it can only shape the personality.

 

 

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I’m not claiming Xehanort has destroyed Terra’s heart, only that his heart is dominating Terra’s, and thereby the body. Continuing the apple metaphor, underneath that foul caramel coating lies a perfectly viable apple. But it is not presently usable.

I feel you are discounting the role that Apprentice Xehanort would have. It was in a sense, his body that Xehanort and Terra were fighting for. He didn’t steal it, no one was using it. So when the split occurred, some amount of him would be split as well. His will went primarily into Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who carried on his experiments. Terra is still there, but below Xehanort, who is below Apprentice Xehanort. Xehanort is the more dominant personality, but Apprentice Xehanortis still the basis for Xemnas and Ansem.

 

What part of shared nobody and heartless are you not getting.

 

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

Nomura (shockingly) doesn’t say anything here. He says IF Ansem had some of Terra’s memories it’s a possibility he came to Destiny Islands knowing Riku would be there. This could befoof for thought, or it could be Nomura trolling us.Again.

Actually says a lot as it points out that Terra still possibly has influence over the heartless and nobody.

[Pyrrha Nikos 1,162]

Basically everything Flaming Lea and dev typed down is accurate.

 

They're technically scholars when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts storyline and basic elements mixed into it

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:51 AM, 'Flaming Lea' said:

Ok The majority of what you just wrote doesn't even make sense in the fact that you don't acknowledge what a nobody actually is : The physical body and will/soul of a human after they lost their heart . Roxas being born without memories bc of how he was created is very relevant to the fact that he had no memories but that made him no less the nobody of Sora .Bottom line : Roxas is Soras nobody regardless what you are saying .Its cannon fact in every way . Despite not even having Soras memories he was still able to respond to Riku as Sora would when Riku said 'Cmon Sora I thought you were better than that " and Roxas responded "Look at which one of us is winning " ..He was shocked when he spouted that at Riku ..He didnt have Soras memories or heart but still retained those memories in himself..

 

Now look at Xemnas - hes the physical body /soul of TERRA( After losing the hearts) ..No matter whose heart was in control the bottom line is thats still Terras body, soul and even his heart that was all there in AX. So when he split himself theres still Terras body, soul, and possibly Terras memories with MX;s memories ,,Memories are in the body and in the heart and also mind ..Even if Terras MIND ( not soul ) was in Lingering , he still has memories in his body/soul and heart that remained in Terranort .. When Aqua confronts Terranort , Terra is still there fighting inside and obviously still thinking and has memories despite leaving thoughts in his armor..He was shown arguing with MX in his heart and even used a dual limit with Aqua trying to defeat MX clearly showing that despite leaving his thoughts in his armor he was most definitely there still memories in tact, and obviously thinking..

 

AX got memories back but we also don't know how much of whose he had -- just that MX was in control. All AX was was terranort with amnesia..So once he remembered he still remembered MX 's plan and quite possible Terras memories too.. Its not AX's plans that the organixation was for but MX's ..His memories obviously came back but theres no reason to not believe that so did some of Terras .. And if he didnt , the fact of the matter is Xemnas doesn't NEED Terras memories from his heart to still be Terras nobody considering that he is literally the shell and soul of Terra. At the end of the day Xemnas is a special nobody just like Roxas ( Nomuras words himself ).

 

Denying that Roxas wasnt truly a nobody bc of his lack of memorie just isnt true because its canon fact that Roxas IS a nobody and Soras nobody at that ..Xemnas is very similiar . He doesnt need terras memories to be his nobody bc he IS Terras body and soul ..He just happened to have another persons heart to when he was split so that makes him a shared nobody .

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:55 AM, 'devereauxr' said:

Did you even read what I wrote none of what you're saying makes any sense.

In Kingdom Hearts the soul is the life force of the body without it a person is dead Nomura straight up said this. The heart is what give a person identity this is done threw a hearts growth via memories and experiences in which the heart can feel and react to.

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

Once again the body and soul are co-dependent on each other neither can exist without the other for the soul give the body life, the heart is what gives that life its own personality.

Terra's body and soul make up Xemnas's physical form, however because Master Xehanort's heart seemingly had the majority of control, it took on the personality of MX's will. That does not mean that Terra has been completely removed from the equation just that his control if any exists has been limited.

 

 

 

 

 

What are you even talking about this makes no sense what so ever. The relevance of showing Roxas being born without memories disproves your point that Xemnas is only Xehanort's nobody. Despite the fact that Roxas was born without any knowledge or memories he is still considered Sora's nobody and is still influenced by him. The same thing applies to Xemnas, he defintely had influences of Terra within, even if Master Xehanort was the dominant persona within Xemnas the fact of the matter is it is still Terra's body and soul giving him ties to Terra.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You hanging by a thread in your arguement, which which is Xehanort's memory loss. The fact of the matter is it been has strongly been hinted at the fact the Xehanort was faking his memory loss. If he wasn't then he only lost them until the point when Ansem the Wise conducted his experiment on Xehanort, from then on he acted exactly in the interest of his maste plan. It is most likely at this point Master Xehanort's heart had been given enough headway to fully control Terra's body. He consciously involved the apprentices the darkness prepping them to become vessels, then went on to carry out his plans via turning all the apprentices into nobodies.

Master Xehanort may have won control over Terra's body but that does make Xemnas and Ansem exclusively Xehanort's heartless and nobody. The memories that were dominat within the somebody does not determine whose NObody and heartless either, they may however decide whose personality will be dominat within the two.The bottom line is Terranort composed of Terra's body with both Master Xehanort's and Terra's heart, making both the nobody and heartless shared.

 

 

 

Xemnas shared features of both Terra and Master Xehanort how can you honestly say the fact that Xemnas is literally Terra's body means he has not ties, control or influce over it. Once again memories have nothing to do with whose nobody it is, it can only shape the personality.

 

 

 

What part of shared nobody and heartless are you not getting.

 

 

Actually says a lot as it points out that Terra still possibly has influence over the heartless and nobody.

 

Fine, you guys are right.

I;m done.

[Demyx. 10,064]

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:09 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

I hope you two don’t mind, I had to put my response in a Word Document and so tidied up some grammatical errors. It shouldn’t change any of your points.

 

I had read that Terra’s thoughts remained in his armor, that this was what the Lingering Sentiment was. But in Kingdom Hearts we have the trinity of heart, soul and body. From what I understood the heart is an animating force, the body is what is animated, and the soul just… does stuff. Souly things. I know the soul holds a connection to the body, it was confirmed that Nobodies have bodies and souls, but not hearts (in their default state). I fail to see the relevance of Roxas’ birth without Sora’s memories. Roxas is only a Nobody in the sense that that’s the classification he falls under by certain definitions. Not trying to sound to nerdy, but it’s like classifying acids. Certain compounds may be qualified as acids under one definition, but not another. In the sense that a Nobody is the being that comes into existence upon the transformation into a heartless of a strong-willed individual, then Roxas is a Nobody. Using the definition of a Nobody being the heartless shell of a strong-willed individual who retains the memories and continues the existence of their past selves, Roxasis not a Nobody. I don’t claim that Apprentice Xehanort did or didn’t reclaim Terra’s memories, (though I’m unsure how he could do this if Terra’s thoughts, which would be based on his memories, are in his armor) I find it at least temporarily irrelevant. Upon regaining Xehanort’s memories, and by extension his goals and desires, (as evidenced by his creation of Xigbar) he did not at that time identify himself as Xehanort. He was Ansem, Apprentice Xehanort with the memories of, at least, Xehanort. Upon turning into a Heartless & Nobody he lost some amount of his memories from all 3 pasts, Terra’s Xehanort’s, and Apprentice Xehanort’s. As a Nobody is a body continuing on will power, I find the fact that his will was closest aligned with that of Xehanort to be an indication of whose Nobody he most is. It is probably some sort of split, pulling forth semi-random numbers; I’d say 70% Xehanort, 25% Apprentice Xehanort, 5% Terra. I don’t believe this is his memory of these individuals, I believe he has most memory of Apprentice Xehanort. This is a division of wills, the driving force for a Nobody. He is essentially Xehanort, with other factors coming into play, but never in direct opposition.

 

I am defining Terra’s physical existence as the union of Terra’s Mind, Heart, and Body. Not trying to dehumanize anyone, but these are the ingredients for Terra. If they are not combined, Terra does not exist in the physical world. Master Xehanort ceased existing in the physical world when Terranort lost his memories, because he had taken over Terra’s body, making it his own, creating a different union of heart, body, and soul. I’ll admit the memories piece is a weak point, I will try and more clearly indicate the separation of memory and will. From what I understand the soul is not a physical component. Terra’s soul cannot, in any way, shape, or form effect the physical appearance of Xemnas, unless the Nobodyfication process’ physical changes have some hitherto unknown connection to the soul. Will’s do not have personalities. Will is a mental ability to continue beyond struggle to a goal. I would say that Xemnas’ goal is shaped by Xehanort’s will, but not his personality. Xemnas’ personality is that of a lost and broken man trying to fix himself by any means necessary, while unconsciously furthering another’s end.

 

 

I’m not claiming Xehanort has destroyed Terra’s heart, only that his heart is dominating Terra’s, and thereby the body. Continuing the apple metaphor, underneath that foul caramel coating lies a perfectly viable apple. But it is not presently usable.

 

 

I feel you are discounting the role that Apprentice Xehanort would have. It was in a sense, his body that Xehanort and Terra were fighting for. He didn’t steal it, no one was using it. So when the split occurred, some amount of him would be split as well. His will went primarily into Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who carried on his experiments. Terra is still there, but below Xehanort, who is below Apprentice Xehanort. Xehanort is the more dominant personality, but Apprentice Xehanortis still the basis for Xemnas and Ansem.

 

 

Nomura (shockingly) doesn’t say anything here. He says IF Ansem had some of Terra’s memories it’s a possibility he came to Destiny Islands knowing Riku would be there. This could befoof for thought, or it could be Nomura trolling us.Again.

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:55 AM, 'devereauxr' said:

Did you even read what I wrote none of what you're saying makes any sense.

In Kingdom Hearts the soul is the life force of the body without it a person is dead Nomura straight up said this. The heart is what give a person identity this is done threw a hearts growth via memories and experiences in which the heart can feel and react to.

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

Once again the body and soul are co-dependent on each other neither can exist without the other for the soul give the body life, the heart is what gives that life its own personality.

Terra's body and soul make up Xemnas's physical form, however because Master Xehanort's heart seemingly had the majority of control, it took on the personality of MX's will. That does not mean that Terra has been completely removed from the equation just that his control if any exists has been limited.

 

 

 

 

 

What are you even talking about this makes no sense what so ever. The relevance of showing Roxas being born without memories disproves your point that Xemnas is only Xehanort's nobody. Despite the fact that Roxas was born without any knowledge or memories he is still considered Sora's nobody and is still influenced by him. The same thing applies to Xemnas, he defintely had influences of Terra within, even if Master Xehanort was the dominant persona within Xemnas the fact of the matter is it is still Terra's body and soul giving him ties to Terra.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You hanging by a thread in your arguement, which which is Xehanort's memory loss. The fact of the matter is it been has strongly been hinted at the fact the Xehanort was faking his memory loss. If he wasn't then he only lost them until the point when Ansem the Wise conducted his experiment on Xehanort, from then on he acted exactly in the interest of his maste plan. It is most likely at this point Master Xehanort's heart had been given enough headway to fully control Terra's body. He consciously involved the apprentices the darkness prepping them to become vessels, then went on to carry out his plans via turning all the apprentices into nobodies.

Master Xehanort may have won control over Terra's body but that does make Xemnas and Ansem exclusively Xehanort's heartless and nobody. The memories that were dominat within the somebody does not determine whose NObody and heartless either, they may however decide whose personality will be dominat within the two.The bottom line is Terranort composed of Terra's body with both Master Xehanort's and Terra's heart, making both the nobody and heartless shared.

 

 

 

Xemnas shared features of both Terra and Master Xehanort how can you honestly say the fact that Xemnas is literally Terra's body means he has not ties, control or influce over it. Once again memories have nothing to do with whose nobody it is, it can only shape the personality.

 

 

 

What part of shared nobody and heartless are you not getting.

 

 

Actually says a lot as it points out that Terra still possibly has influence over the heartless and nobody.

 

  On 10/22/2012 at 3:51 AM, 'Flaming Lea' said:

Ok The majority of what you just wrote doesn't even make sense in the fact that you don't acknowledge what a nobody actually is : The physical body and will/soul of a human after they lost their heart . Roxas being born without memories bc of how he was created is very relevant to the fact that he had no memories but that made him no less the nobody of Sora .Bottom line : Roxas is Soras nobody regardless what you are saying .Its cannon fact in every way . Despite not even having Soras memories he was still able to respond to Riku as Sora would when Riku said 'Cmon Sora I thought you were better than that " and Roxas responded "Look at which one of us is winning " ..He was shocked when he spouted that at Riku ..He didnt have Soras memories or heart but still retained those memories in himself..

 

Now look at Xemnas - hes the physical body /soul of TERRA( After losing the hearts) ..No matter whose heart was in control the bottom line is thats still Terras body, soul and even his heart that was all there in AX. So when he split himself theres still Terras body, soul, and possibly Terras memories with MX;s memories ,,Memories are in the body and in the heart and also mind ..Even if Terras MIND ( not soul ) was in Lingering , he still has memories in his body/soul and heart that remained in Terranort .. When Aqua confronts Terranort , Terra is still there fighting inside and obviously still thinking and has memories despite leaving thoughts in his armor..He was shown arguing with MX in his heart and even used a dual limit with Aqua trying to defeat MX clearly showing that despite leaving his thoughts in his armor he was most definitely there still memories in tact, and obviously thinking..

 

AX got memories back but we also don't know how much of whose he had -- just that MX was in control. All AX was was terranort with amnesia..So once he remembered he still remembered MX 's plan and quite possible Terras memories too.. Its not AX's plans that the organixation was for but MX's ..His memories obviously came back but theres no reason to not believe that so did some of Terras .. And if he didnt , the fact of the matter is Xemnas doesn't NEED Terras memories from his heart to still be Terras nobody considering that he is literally the shell and soul of Terra. At the end of the day Xemnas is a special nobody just like Roxas ( Nomuras words himself ).

 

Denying that Roxas wasnt truly a nobody bc of his lack of memorie just isnt true because its canon fact that Roxas IS a nobody and Soras nobody at that ..Xemnas is very similiar . He doesnt need terras memories to be his nobody bc he IS Terras body and soul ..He just happened to have another persons heart to when he was split so that makes him a shared nobody .

 

 

Geeze guys. Write a whole book why don't you.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

  On 10/22/2012 at 7:42 PM, 'XaonSchock' said:

 

 

 

 

 

Geeze guys. Write a whole book why don't you.

 

lmao kinda had to do it.