I Want to Hear a Good Conservative Opinion

[hatok 6,413]

I'm being totally serious. I really like hearing multiple sides to things, which you may have noticed by a lot of my posts and topics

For a long time I've wanted to understand the conservative viewpoint better...

But it just seems like everybody I talk to either blindly believes in it because of their parents, is ridiculously religiously zealous, and just in general uninformed.

I mean, I've heard plenty of terrible liberal opinions, and I've agreed with several conservative POINTS

But I'm really hard pressed to find a person who is overall well articulated in their reasoning behind their right sided political alignment

A couple people I like on this site I know are conservative, so I'm hoping for some good replies

[Oniaku 280]

Well, i don't think i can give you my reasoning for being conservative without bringing up religion, because my religion and my beliefs are a big part of me being conservative.

[Kinode 3,056]

>Conservative Opinion

>Well articulated Opinion

 

Choose one

[hatok 6,413]

Well, i don't think i can give you my reasoning for being conservative without bringing up religion, because my religion and my beliefs are a big part of me being conservative.

 

There's no problem with religion. But at the same time, it really shouldn't be a part of a political system when there is a huge amount of non-religious people involved

[Kinode 3,056]

This is gonna be good

>inb4 religion vs atheism shitstorm

time to lay back and watch

[Loki 1,184]

Well, there are conservatives that think liberals blindly believe liberalism because of their parents, are ridiculously environmentalist, and just in general are uninformed. Both sides are wrong. Each side has their own philosophies that are at the root of who they are as human beings. They struggle to see eye to eye because they fail to see how someone elses opinion is right when it contradicts their internal philosophy. At least for you youre opening up to see the other viewpoint which is more than most people will do.

 

But, alas, I am an independent so I cant give you that viewpoint myself.

[hatok 6,413]

Well, there are conservatives that think liberals blindly believe liberalism because of their parents, are ridiculously environmentalist, and just in general are uninformed. Both sides are wrong. Each side has their own philosophies that are at the root of who they are as human beings. They struggle to see eye to eye because they fail to see how someone elses opinion is right when it contradicts their internal philosophy. At least for you youre opening up to see the other viewpoint which is more than most people will do.

 

But, alas, I am an independent so I cant give you that viewpoint myself.

 

Well honestly, I'd like to hear about your choice too

I've seen both sides. And I'd put myself somewhere close to the center, with a slight left leaning (Mostly because, as I said, I haven't really seen a very well articulated right wing perspective) and I've met people who vote, or will vote when they can, left or right, and the only reason they can give is that their parents do. It's just more common with the right wing, in my experience

[DragonMaster 1,166]

Actually, I would be rather interested in seeing this myself. I would love better understanding of opinions from the other side of the spectrum. As it is, its pretty hard to get a legitimate opinion on politics in general.

Edited October 18, 2012 by DragonMaster

[Dave 5,715]

The problem is that the idea of Conservatism has been hijacked by reactionaries and radicals. I consider myself to be somewhat Conservative in that I don't know about changing too much too soon, as well favoring a stronger central government (though I prefer to vote for the NDP because I prefer their policies on workers). The thing is that the moderate right wing has been eclipsed by the ultra right wing, which is where you get your loonies. Unfortunately for the rest of us, these are the loudmouths who shout enough so that their views are all you hear about when you think conservative. And sadly, they've shouted long enough that there are more than enough people who are willing to listen to them as if they're an authority on the subject. Thus, any one else who might be moderatlely conservative is lumped in with those who are, in fact, almost in an entirely different platform in regards to political views. The idea of there being one true conservative party or point of view is innacurate, but because they don't seem to have the splintered factions as the liberal spectrum, you are forced to vote for only one figure head and thus everyone else thinks you all agree on the same issues, when in fact there are many faces of conservatism.

[Kirux 1,224]

Well honestly, I'd like to hear about your choice too

I've seen both sides. And I'd put myself somewhere close to the center, with a slight left leaning (Mostly because, as I said, I haven't really seen a very well articulated right wing perspective) and I've met people who vote, or will vote when they can, left or right, and the only reason they can give is that their parents do. It's just more common with the right wing, in my experience

 

Fun thing is my dad was a Republican and I am a Democrat. I couldn't tell you why he was one, and I'd love to give you reason why I'm left but this is not the topic for that. I just wanted to let you know there are people who do develop differently from their parent's views.

[hatok 6,413]

Fun thing is my dad was a Republican and I am a Democrat. I couldn't tell you why he was one, and I'd love to give you reason why I'm left but this is not the topic for that. I just wanted to let you know there are people who do develop differently from their parent's views.

 

Yeah, definitely see a lot of that too

My friend is very left wing, because her dad is very right, and very homophobic

And she's gay

There are a lot of variables

But how likely is the reverse? How my right wing kids have left wing parents? Quite a few, I'm sure, but based on my experiences, not as many as your situation

 

The problem is that the idea of Conservatism has been hijacked by reactionaries and radicals. I consider myself to be somewhat Conservative in that I don't know about changing too much too soon, as well favoring a stronger central government (though I prefer to vote for the NDP because I prefer their policies on workers). The thing is that the moderate right wing has been eclipsed by the ultra right wing, which is where you get your loonies. Unfortunately for the rest of us, these are the loudmouths who shout enough so that their views are all you hear about when you think conservative. And sadly, they've shouted long enough that there are more than enough people who are willing to listen to them as if they're an authority on the subject. Thus, any one else who might be moderatlely conservative is lumped in with those who are, in fact, almost in an entirely different platform in regards to political views. The idea of there being one true conservative party or point of view is innacurate, but because they don't seem to have the splintered factions as the liberal spectrum, you are forced to vote for only one figure head and thus everyone else thinks you all agree on the same issues, when in fact there are many faces of conservatism.

 

I agree with this. It's why I think it's so hard to find a legitimate conservative opinion.

But uh... you didn't really say why you're conservative.

That's another problem I have. I'll ask a person about being conservative (or Christian, for that matter) and they'll start talking about how the most extreme people have corrupted people's views of the whole... but never actually give points on what they do or why it's different...

[Kirux 1,224]

Yeah, definitely see a lot of that too

My friend is very left wing, because her dad is very right, and very homophobic

And she's gay

There are a lot of variables

But how likely is the reverse? How my right wing kids have left wing parents? Quite a few, I'm sure, but based on my experiences, not as many as your situation

 

My father was actually very moderate republican, loved all people, didn't judge anyone.

 

Hmmmm, My bestie for life is SUPER Republican and at least her dad is very Left wing. But at the same time, we both had parents that let us form our own opinions and never really talked about politics in the household. I think that's the key thing; not whether the parents are left or right but how thoroughly it's discussed in the household.

[hatok 6,413]

My father was actually very moderate republican, loved all people, didn't judge anyone.

 

Hmmmm, My bestie for life is SUPER Republican and at least her dad is very Left wing. But at the same time, we both had parents that let us form our own opinions and never really talked about politics in the household. I think that's the key thing; not whether the parents are left or right but how thoroughly it's discussed in the household.

 

Sounds about right

[Dave 5,715]

 

 

I agree with this. It's why I think it's so hard to find a legitimate conservative opinion.

But uh... you didn't really say why you're conservative.

That's another problem I have. I'll ask a person about being conservative (or Christian, for that matter) and they'll start talking about how the most extreme people have corrupted people's views of the whole... but never actually give points on what they do or why it's different...

 

Well, I'm not a true Conservative (like I said, I'm more NDP than anything), but I feel I can understand and sympathize with some of their views. Not the reactionary anti-civil rights views, of course, but things like not wanting to do too much too fast, wanting to cover steps before taking action, and sometimes wondering if things aren't good as they are now. For instance, in the case of the States and the Health Care issue. Personally, I think Health Care has a multitude of benefits (primarily becasue this is the system that I have grown up with myself), but at the same time, to introduce anything thing on that grand a scale is certain to have a certain reaction. THe simple fact is that anything new is frightening, if only because you haven't lived with it and know how it works. Thus, I feel I can understand the conservative reaction to such a thing, because it's actually more human than one might think, for what is fear if not dreading the unknown?

[Jim 2,990]

I want to listen a little more to this conversation too. I'm moderate-borderline-conservative, basically because there's some liberal policies I cannot come to see as right. I want to understand both sides better though, so that I'm not just another "hurr im consurvutiv becuz mai parentz wer conservativ" type of person that you mentioned.

[Loki 1,184]

Why am I independent? Because I dont want to identify myself with a party. I feel like it would be a flaw for me to possibly become emotionally attached to one side and have it cloud my judgement. I also would rather judge candidates as individuals. Their political views are of equal importance to me as how I judge their character as a person, even if all politicians are liars.

 

And, sorry to drag religion in, but its important too. I am Buddhist and believe all life is suffering. Politics seems to be the epiphany of suffering. I can at least choose which individual will be the least excruciating of choices. You can see why I dont want to closely affiliate with such sufferable people.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Well I am a christian and I wouldn't label myself conservative or liberal but independant .Why? Because I believe in points from both sides but not enough of one side to affiliate myself as that ..I don't want to limit myself to voting on a candidate strictly bc of their label but bc I agree with that certain candidates points .I will vote based on the actual person not what party they are from .

[Amon 4,279]

I am a big fan of history, and history can tell us one thing regarding economics. Conservative economic policies and beliefs, such as trickle down economics has worked everywhere it has ever been tried in the history of mankind. By contrast, Liberal economic policies and beliefs such as big government spending, raising taxes, and re-distrubtion of wealth has never worked everywhere it has ever been tried in the history of mankind.

 

When it comes to social issues, I'm a bit of a toss up. This may seem a bit odd as my family is very conservative. My mother is extremely Catholic and my father basically only watches Fox News. But I hate both sides equally, especially regarding religion. The bigotry in my very own religion (Catholicism) is sicknening, but I what I despise even more is the arrogance that a lot Atheist have. Catholics seem to believe that everyone who doesn't follow their beliefs has been corrupted by the devil or something and Atheist seem to believe that everyone who has a religion is of a lesser intellect. I know that's a broad generalization but it's what I see and hear on a daily basis. You can't deny that many people, most likely the majority of people in these groups feel this way. This is why I'm always so confused when it comes to my religious beliefs. I'd still consider myself a Catholic but not like most Catholics would think of themselves. I'm not like one of those hypocrites wearing a rosary and spitting on homeless people or doing drugs in a back ally though. They are the most revolting people on the planet, those that affiliate themselves with a religious belief but seem to do everything the religion tells them not to. I respect and admire all religious beliefs or lack thereof, but sometimes I can see why the Church embarked on crusades and other times I can see why the Soviets did away with religion entirely.

 

But, I digress. Regarding other social issues I'm mostly mixed. I feel that abortion should only be legal in a case of rape, incest or if the child would be too horribly deformed to possibly lead something that resembles a happy life, or if the child endangers the mother's life. Though I can't support abortion when people are just irresponsible. Why deny the existence of a potentially amazing person just because you couldn't keep your legs shut? And to my fellow guys, are condoms too expensive or something? The whole "Don't have sex if you aren't ready for a child" idea is just unrealistic. The entire reason why you and I are here today is because, to put it in layman's terms, people like boning each other.

 

On weapon control, I feel that most weapons should remain legal, especially rifles. Most people who commit crimes with weapons do so with illegally obtained handguns. There have only been a handful of cases where the shooter's possessed military grade firepower. Even smaller, are the amount of people who obtained a firearm legally and use it in a crime. Gun control should be centered around making it more difficult to illegally obtain a firearm, not to legally obtain one.

 

I could share more if anyone is really interested, but I've rambled on long enough.

Edited October 19, 2012 by Amon

[wayfinder823 477]

I can easily see this getting turned into a bandwagon of bashing... but whatever.

 

I'm a little confused, since you said you wanted a Conservative Opinion, yet gave no topic or issue for us to give our opinion on... so I guess what you really want is our ideologies that make us "Conservative"?

 

I grew up in a rather apolitical household. I used to detest politics and either check out or leave the room the moment the subject got brought up. It wasn't until the 2008 election that I started to feel that something strange was going on. I didn't agree with most people were saying and it bugged me, I remember feeling like, "What the crap is going on here?!". So I started doing my own research and before I knew it, I became pretty politically involved. And I also found my self -- dare I say it??? A Conservative!?

 

How could you? You're a student! Students aren't supposed to be "conservative!" If you're conservative, you're stupid! You don't understand life and you're a racist!

.... :huh: http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png Then I guess I'm "stupid...."

 

At least I'm entitled to my beliefs.

 

I am a religious person, however, and most people do obtain their values from religious beliefs, but I wouldn't consider myself a "religious zealot."

 

A very big part of me that I heavily believe in is personal responsibility and independence. I strongly believe that YOU are the in charge of your own life and YOU ultimately decide how you want your life to be based on the decisions YOU make, and if you don't like your current situation, YOU have the power to change it. YOU are your own Master, there are no shackles on anybody.

 

I believe everybody has the right to fail AND succeed.

 

I believe in limited government, and that more power should be given to the States.

 

I am a staunch pro-life advocate (with few acceptions to some cases... but I'd really prefer leaving it for adoption...) <- is a strong personal issue of mine that every time I talk about it, I get a little teary, so it's a good thing this isn't done face-to-face. (I won't go into details because i don't want to get emotional right now, but if you'd reallly like to know why I am in such strong favor of pro-life, you can PM me or something)

 

I believe in fiscal policies, and the spending into oblivion that is happening right now in Washington needs to stop!

 

I am for free enterprise in the economy.

 

I do not believe Government is the answer to most (like... a good 90% of) problems.

 

At the voting booth, I will vote against Gay Marriage, (I'm not anti-Gay!!!! I'm pro-family reared by a Father and Mother.) but if it gets passed, I won't cry about it. I'll just shrugg my shoulders and move on.

 

Though I am not a current gun holder, I do support the NRA and the 2nd Amendment.

Edited October 19, 2012 by wayfinder823

[Koko 3,944]

>not anti-gay

>pro family

gay couples can have families 2

[Jim 2,990]

>not anti-gay

>pro family

gay couples can have families 2

 

I think she means "pro-traditional family".

[Kirux 1,224]

I believe in limited government, and that more power should be given to the States.

 

I am a staunch pro-life advocate (with few acceptions to some cases... but I'd really prefer leaving it for adoption...) <- is a strong personal issue of mine that every time I talk about it, I get a little teary, so it's a good thing this isn't done face-to-face. (I won't go into details because i don't want to get emotional right now, but if you'd reallly like to know why I am in such strong favor of pro-life, you can PM me or something)

 

At the voting booth, I will vote against Gay Marriage, (I'm not anti-Gay!!!! I'm pro-family.) but if it gets passed, I won't cry about it. I'll just shrugg my shoulders and move on.

 

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT TRYING TO START SHIT I AM TRULY JUST CURIOUS AND WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND!

If conservatives put so much emphasis on "limited government" than why do the vast majority feel as though they have the right to try and tell me what I can do to my body and who I may and may not marry? It seems a contradiction.

[Jim 2,990]

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT TRYING TO START SHIT I AM TRULY JUST CURIOUS AND WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND!

If conservatives put so much emphasis on "limited government" than why do the vast majority feel as though they have the right to try and tell me what I can do to my body and who I may and may not marry? It seems a contradiction.

 

Hm, that's the thing. I personally think that if we have a religious problem with gay marriage (which I do) that's no reason to get all worked up over the political definition of marriage. A political marriage is basically more of a formal agreement than anything, so in the grand scheme of things, I think it doesn't really matter. Do what you want, just don't do it in my face or in my Kingdom Hearts. So yeah, I kinda agree with you there, if you understand what I'm saying.

[wayfinder823 477]

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT TRYING TO START SHIT I AM TRULY JUST CURIOUS AND WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND!

If conservatives put so much emphasis on "limited government" than why do the vast majority feel as though they have the right to try and tell me what I can do to my body and who I may and may not marry? It seems a contradiction.

 

I'm not going to answer on terms of abortion, because that'll just lead to a never ending debate, since no one can agree on when a fetus is a baby.

 

I totally see what your saying, and I did question that stance myself multiple times. Unfortunately, I do not represent all Conservatives,

But the way I see it, is that I am pro-family. I believe that there are roles that a Father teaches to a child, and roles that a mother teaches a child. I believe it's essential to have both.

I'm not saying that if you are a gay parent that you child is going to be screwed up. Because I don't believe that. I just think that it is important for the child to have both influences-- of a mother and a father.

[Kirux 1,224]

Hm, that's the thing. I personally think that if we have a religious problem with gay marriage (which I do) that's no reason to get all worked up over the political definition of marriage. A political marriage is basically more of a formal agreement than anything, so in the grand scheme of things, I think it doesn't really matter. Do what you want, just don't do it in my face or in my Kingdom Hearts. So yeah, I kinda agree with you there, if you understand what I'm saying.

 

You're the first conservative to point out that marriage is nothing more than an agreement between two people and that religion is playing far too much of a role into the issue and I respect that A LOT.

 

I have to agree that in North America, a land founded on religious freedom and a separation of church and state, far too many of our political issue have a root in religious viewpoints. Far too many politicians appeal to people's religious view points and use them as the basis of their policies and it somewhat frustrates me.