Amon 4,279 Posted October 17, 2012 2 Sora96 and MyDixieRect reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Queen Tery 4,591 Posted October 17, 2012 Hm, I will admit that I never thought of that argument before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koko 3,944 Posted October 17, 2012 I actually believe that guys shouldnt be forced to pay child support lmao but theres a difference between having rights over something like your body and having rights over your money and tbh, comparing a paycheck to someone's body is kind of messed up??? not saying that fathers should have to pay child support, but its just an unfair comparison. not as bad as the whole holocaust and abortion comparison, but still its just like um what no also the fact of the matter is that hardly anyone would ever say a guy shouldnt have sex if he isnt ready to support the child financially because in a lot of situations guys can still walk out and not have to pay child support guys are often not held responsible for getting a girl pregnant bc u kno guys can do no wrong 1 Kirux reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordOfTheCastle 92 Posted October 17, 2012 I'm glad it went in that direction and not the other. I'd have no agree with that. Especially because a woman can easily trap a man by not informing him that they stopped birth control, and he still has to pay the consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amon 4,279 Posted October 17, 2012 I actually believe that guys shouldnt be forced to pay child support lmao but theres a difference between having rights over something like your body and having rights over your money and tbh, comparing a paycheck to someone's body is kind of messed up??? not saying that fathers should have to pay child support, but its just an unfair comparison. not as bad as the whole holocaust and abortion comparison, but still its just like um what no also the fact of the matter is that no one would ever say a guy shouldnt have sex if he isnt ready to support the child financially because in a lot of situations guys can still walk out and not have to pay child support guys are often not held responsible for getting a girl pregnant bc u kno guys can do no wrong Whether it is a fair comparison or not, it still exhibits that the majority of feminist don't actually want equal rights, just more of them. Personally, I'm against abortion (except for a few cases such as rape) as well as father's not supporting their child. What I like about what this person said is that it exposes how feminist don't realize there are two halves to the abortion debate. If bearing a child requires a man and a woman, then abortion effects both as well, same as not paying for child support. 6 Sora96, Shana09, hatok and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blake 776 Posted October 17, 2012 I always passed that off as blatant sexism. Like it'll change soon anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amon 4,279 Posted October 17, 2012 Especially because a woman can easily trap a man by not informing him that they stopped birth control, and he still has to pay the consequences. This actually happened to my cousin before. What's worse is that the bitch married the poor guy and then divorced him less than a year on top of that. My cousin probably would still pay for child support if he had the option not too because he really cares for the his kid, though there are many cases where it isn't the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koko 3,944 Posted October 17, 2012 Whether it is a fair comparison or not, it still exhibits that the majority of feminist don't actually want equal rights, just more of them. Personally, I'm against abortion (except for a few cases such as rape) as well as father's not supporting their child. What I like about what this person said is that it exposes how feminist don't realize there are two halves to the abortion debate. If bearing a child requires a man and a woman, then abortion effects both as well, same as not paying for child support. I actually haven't met any feminists who actually believe men should be forced to pay child support? I know there may be a lot of self proclaimed feminists who are actually power hungry or misandrist women who want that kind of shit, but I consider myself a feminist and I think it's bullshit that men have to pay child support if they don't want the kid and I believe that if someone doesn't want to be pregnant, they shouldn't have to. Most actual GOOD AND INFORMED feminists believe that too and tbh judging all feminists by the beliefs of the stupid ones is silly. I always passed that off as blatant sexism. Like it'll change soon anyway. sexism towards... men? are you serious 2 FireRubies1 and Shana09 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amon 4,279 Posted October 17, 2012 I actually haven't met any feminists who actually believe men should be forced to pay child support? I know there may be a lot of self proclaimed feminists who are actually power hungry or misandrist women who want that kind of shit, but I consider myself a feminist and I think it's bullshit that men have to pay child support if they don't want the kid and I believe that if someone doesn't want to be pregnant, they shouldn't have to. Most actual GOOD AND INFORMED feminists believe that too and tbh judging all feminists by the beliefs of the stupid ones is silly. That's why I said "the majority of feminist". It would be unfair of me to say that the majority of feminist are like that, but certainly most of the one's I met are like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koko 3,944 Posted October 17, 2012 That's why I said "the majority of feminist". It would be unfair of me to say that the majority of feminist are like that, but certainly most of the one's I met are like that. That sucks 8( Bad feminists are awful and I feel sorry for anyone who has to put up with them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shana09 5,769 Posted October 17, 2012 Whether it is a fair comparison or not, it still exhibits that the majority of feminist don't actually want equal rights, just more of them. Personally, I'm against abortion (except for a few cases such as rape) as well as father's not supporting their child. What I like about what this person said is that it exposes how feminist don't realize there are two halves to the abortion debate. If bearing a child requires a man and a woman, then abortion effects both as well, same as not paying for child support. I actually haven't met any feminists who actually believe men should be forced to pay child support? I know there may be a lot of self proclaimed feminists who are actually power hungry or misandrist women who want that kind of shit, but I consider myself a feminist and I think it's bullshit that men have to pay child support if they don't want the kid and I believe that if someone doesn't want to be pregnant, they shouldn't have to. Most actual GOOD AND INFORMED feminists believe that too and tbh judging all feminists by the beliefs of the stupid ones is silly. Thank. You. Both. That's why I said "the majority of feminist". It would be unfair of me to say that the majority of feminist are like that, but certainly most of the one's I met are like that. Yeah I met some feminists IRL but they all want to make their man do almost all the work like pay for child support if they dont want the kid or cant pay for it or else the person dumps him. Also for many other reasons. sexism towards... men? are you serious Happens. Not the superiority thing (unless it's those feminists who are power-hungry) but as in "wanting to act or do certain stuff stereotypically". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob 5,571 Posted October 17, 2012 Mother of Pearl. I thought I saw it all. 1 Amon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pretium 234 Posted October 18, 2012 If The Woman Doesn't Want The Baby, She Can Murder It* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amon 4,279 Posted October 18, 2012 If The Woman Doesn't Want The Baby, She Can Murder It* Let the shitstorm begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted October 18, 2012 If The Woman Doesn't Want The Baby, She Can Murder It* The rage you're about to bring onto this thread is more powerful then you could possibly imagine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koko 3,944 Posted October 18, 2012 If Someone Doesn't Want The Baby, They Can Murder It* Personally I don't believe it's murder, but if you do that is perfectly okay! What's not okay is imposing your belief on others. Not everyone sees it as murder and that's okay too. No one believes in the same thing and that's what makes the world interesting. But simple, if you don't believe abortion is okay, then don't get one (which you can't because you have male genitalia I presume). Others see it differently and it will be very difficult to convince them otherwise. And women aren't the only ones who get abortions but that's a different topic. 1 FireRubies1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora96 17,256 Posted October 18, 2012 100% agree with this. If The Woman Doesn't Want The Baby, She Can Murder It* If she has an abortion early enough the baby will be barely formed so then even the group against abortion can't say anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caity 3,946 Posted October 18, 2012 When you put it like that i'd agree I guess, but there's still a difference. My father was with our family for 9 years (think I was 9) before he left, 2 years after he moved to America and 5 years later he got back in contact (for about 2 months, and last month he got back in contact with my sister). He didn't NOT want a kid, he and my mother were trying for 2 years (she has polycystic ovaries) before they conceived (were just about to try IVF), but he still doesn't pay child support even though he wanted kids. So saying he shouldn't pay for a kid he didn't want is skewed. Typically women don't get an abortion cause they can't afford it (if that were the case they'd carry it and give it up for adoption, abortion isn't something pregnant women take lightly, less they're complete hoes using it as a form of contraception). Though with this being said, we don't except a rapist to pay child support for the result of his act do we? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pretium 234 Posted October 18, 2012 100% agree with this. If she has an abortion early enough the baby will be barely formed so then even the group against abortion can't say anything. Actually, They Can Say Plenty, The Moment Of Conception The Woman Becomes Pregnant, Pregnant With A Baby, Trying To Say, "It's Just A Clump Of Cells, It's Not A Baby Yet," Is Just An Attempt To Clear The Conscience, I Know I'll Never Convince Anyone On An Internet Forum, It's Never Worked For Anyone In The History Of Forums, So, Lets Just Lay Down Our Weapons And Walk Away.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pretium 234 Posted October 18, 2012 Let the shitstorm begin. The rage you're about to bring onto this thread is more powerful then you could possibly imagine. Personally I don't believe it's murder, but if you do that is perfectly okay! What's not okay is imposing your belief on others. Not everyone sees it as murder and that's okay too. No one believes in the same thing and that's what makes the world interesting. But simple, if you don't believe abortion is okay, then don't get one (which you can't because you have male genitalia I presume). Others see it differently and it will be very difficult to convince them otherwise. And women aren't the only ones who get abortions but that's a different topic. Sorry People, I Just Get Tired Of Seeing The Endless Posting Of Liberal Views On Forums, I Think At Least One Conservative View Should Be Posted, And How Can A Man Have An Abortion Without The Ability To Have A Baby?? Please Explain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amon 4,279 Posted October 18, 2012 Sorry People, I Just Get Tired Of Seeing The Endless Posting Of Liberal Views On Forums, I Think At Least One Conservative View Should Be Posted, No One Will Ever Take You Seriously Outside Of Random If You Don't Learn The Proper Use Of The Shift Key. And How Can A Man Have An Abortion Without The Ability To Have A Baby?? Please Explain What kind of question is this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MAKS 86 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) I completely disagree with both points on this. If you make a baby, the baby will forever be yours - yours and whoever you had it with. There is no argument over whether you are going to abort it or whether you are going to support it. If you decide you don't want it there is an option other than abortion: adoption. A baby and a fetus have life and are alive. An abortion is killing something which has life. The best thing would be to offer it up for adoption because there are many couples that can't get pregnant and want to adopt. Unless either parent is crazy (I know some) both parents have an obligation to support the baby if one of them decides to keep it. Anything to support it: money, time, or any other support. And I think that's pretty much my say on the subject. Edited October 18, 2012 by MAKS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pretium 234 Posted October 18, 2012 No One Will Ever Take You Seriously Outside Of Random If You Don't Learn The Proper Use Of The Shift Key. What kind of question is this? Sorry, That Question Was For Koko, Didn't Mean To Put That For All Of Ya'll, And Sorry, It's An OCD I Have For Typing, It Offends People Sometimes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koko 3,944 Posted October 19, 2012 Sorry People, I Just Get Tired Of Seeing The Endless Posting Of Liberal Views On Forums, I Think At Least One Conservative View Should Be Posted, And How Can A Man Have An Abortion Without The Ability To Have A Baby?? Please Explain I understand where you're coming from! I know conservatives with pretty well thought out opinions and I can see where they're coming from but in the end, it's hard to change someone's opinion.And there are plenty of men who have a uterus and can have babies, just as there are women who don't have a uterus and can't have babies. I completely disagree with both points on this. If you make a baby, the baby will forever be yours - yours and whoever you had it with. There is no argument over whether you are going to abort it or whether you are going to support it. If you decide you don't want it there is an option other than abortion: adoption. A baby and a fetus have life and are alive. An abortion is killing something which has life. The best thing would be to offer it up for adoption because there are many couples that can't get pregnant and want to adopt. Unless either parent is crazy (I know some) both parents have an obligation to support the baby if one of them decides to keep it. Anything to support it: money, time, or any other support. And I think that's pretty much my say on the subject. We have too many kids in orphanages as well, all cells are living, our hair and skin but we kill several of those everyday. The question is: are cells sentient? Not saying you're wrong, but in the end, some people think it's murder and some do not and I don't it's right to go around saying YES IT IS MURDER YOU'RE A MURDERER because many don't see it that way and more than likely they're never going to think it's murder. Calling someone a murder doesn't help your cause. I mean personally, if abortion wasn't necessary, that would be a huge step forward. If we could get rid of all the factors that lead people to choosing abortion, we'd be solving several other problems as well. Reduce the number of rapes, reduce the number of people living in poverty, educate teens about safe sex (screw abstinence, seriously you can't expect people to follow that), and hell make sure each kid in an orphanage gets a good loving home. i believe that even providing birth control reduces abortion. basically, if you want to make abortion as unnecessary as possible, you need to help out with the issues that cause it, not argue and fight about it and try to make it illegal because no matter what anyone thinks, someone else is going to think differently. 1 Godot reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pretium 234 Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) I understand where you're coming from! I know conservatives with pretty well thought out opinions and I can see where they're coming from but in the end, it's hard to change someone's opinion. And there are plenty of men who have a uterus and can have babies, just as there are women who don't have a uterus and can't have babies. It Takes More Than A Uterus To Conceive Edited October 19, 2012 by Pretium Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
