deathrebirthsenshi 279 Posted October 13, 2012 Xion, Roxas, and Namine. The ones that exist within Sora's heart. A replica and two nobodies. Many people often said dismissive things about them needing to be saved, ie Xion's just a replica and just needs remembered, Namine and Roxas don't really need to be saved...well, with our latest revelation in DDD that Nobodies can grow hearts...has anyone had their opinions change? Feel the same? Unimpressed? Leave your thoughts below. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirux 1,224 Posted October 13, 2012 Roxas will be saved because Sora is so adamant about him being his own person. Sora's determined to get him back, and we've seen what Sora can do when he's determined. I'm worried about Roxas and Ventus being able to exist at the same time. Sure Roxas started to grow his own heart, maybe, but from what I understand he carried ven's heart with him. If Roxas is dependant on Ven's heart and so is Ven, then there has to be a choice made. I want to know what happens to Sora when Ven's heart is removed. Will he stay Sora? Just how integrated is Sora and Ven's heart? Will Sora have to sacrifice himself in order for Ven to be revived? That's what I'm curious about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted October 13, 2012 i want them both to be saved if possible that it will not affect Sora or Kairi, because i love Roxas and Namine and their characters sooooo much, Xion idk though, i want her to be saved to she is a beast and another great character but am not sure if she is savable because she was a puppet, but i would like them all to be their own person as long as it doesn't hurt Kairi, or Sora in anyway Roxas will be saved because Sora is so adamant about him being his own person. Sora's determined to get him back, and we've seen what Sora can do when he's determined. I'm worried about Roxas and Ventus being able to exist at the same time. Sure Roxas started to grow his own heart, maybe, but from what I understand he carried ven's heart with him. If Roxas is dependant on Ven's heart and so is Ven, then there has to be a choice made. I want to know what happens to Sora when Ven's heart is removed. Will he stay Sora? Just how integrated is Sora and Ven's heart? Will Sora have to sacrifice himself in order for Ven to be revived? That's what I'm curious about. no Sora and Roxas will not be affected by Ven waking up, and Roxas never had his heart, (Ven's Heart) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruran 481 Posted October 13, 2012 Personally I preferred them as pathos characters. Everyone growing their own hearts and being saved so they can exist happily ever after comes across as, I don't know, a little too happy? It also feels a little like it's taking away from the character's sacrifices to me. Well except for Namine because it still hasn't been made clear as to why she had to disappear. 2 deathrebirthsenshi and Kishira reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deathrebirthsenshi 279 Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Roxas will be saved because Sora is so adamant about him being his own person. Sora's determined to get him back, and we've seen what Sora can do when he's determined. I'm worried about Roxas and Ventus being able to exist at the same time. Sure Roxas started to grow his own heart, maybe, but from what I understand he carried ven's heart with him. If Roxas is dependant on Ven's heart and so is Ven, then there has to be a choice made. I want to know what happens to Sora when Ven's heart is removed. Will he stay Sora? Just how integrated is Sora and Ven's heart? Will Sora have to sacrifice himself in order for Ven to be revived? That's what I'm curious about. I'm not too sure about Sora needing Ven's heart...Nomura pretty much confirmed that Ven's heart went into Roxas once Sora stabbed himself with the heart unlocker, so that means through the rest of kh1 and through CoM, he existed without Ven's heart without any bad effects. Ven's heart is sleeping, so its hard to say what effect it actually had on Roxas. He certainly didn't transfer any memories, so you could easily argue that Roxas's heart is his own. Personally I preferred them as pathos characters. Everyone growing their own hearts and being saved so they can exist happily ever after comes across as, I don't know, a little too happy? It also feels a little like it's taking away from the character's sacrifices to me. Well except for Namine because it still hasn't been made clear as to why she had to disappear. That's a good point, I didn't consider that before...This is a crossover with disney, and the numbered titles tend to have happier endings, but...I wonder just how happily they want Kingdom Hearts to end... Edited October 13, 2012 by deathrebirthsenshi 1 Kirux reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirux 1,224 Posted October 13, 2012 no Sora and Roxas will not be affected by Ven waking up, and Roxas never had his heart, (Ven's Heart) Nomura pretty much confirmed that Ven's heart went into Roxas once Sora stabbed himself with the heart unlocker, s I digress... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) I'm not too sure about Sora needing Ven's heart...Nomura pretty much confirmed that Ven's heart went into Roxas once Sora stabbed himself with the heart unlocker, so that means through the rest of kh1 and through CoM, he existed without Ven's heart without any bad effects. Ven's heart is sleeping, so its hard to say what effect it actually had on Roxas. He certainly didn't transfer any memories, so you could easily argue that Roxas's heart is his own. That's a good point, I didn't consider that before...This is a crossover with disney, and the numbered titles tend to have happier endings, but...I wonder just how happily they want Kingdom Hearts to end... he never said that Roxas had Ven's heart, he said the exact oppositehe being Nomura Edited October 13, 2012 by KeyToDestiny26 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruran 481 Posted October 13, 2012 he never said that Roxas had Ven's heart, he said the exact opposite he being Nomura ...He said that Ven had Roxas's heart? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted October 13, 2012 he never said that Roxas had Ven's heart, he said the exact opposite he being Nomura Nope not only did he confirm it, he did it five seperate occasions. Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297? A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint. Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield? A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. 2 Kirux and HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirux 1,224 Posted October 13, 2012 Nope not only did he confirm it, he did it five seperate occasions. Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297? A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint. Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield? A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. ILU dev, I was too lazy to go find the interview. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted October 13, 2012 ...He said that Ven had Roxas's heart? no i meant the opposite being that he said roxas never had vens heart, how would ven have roxas's heart? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted October 13, 2012 ILU dev, I was too lazy to go find the interview. Lol your welcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruran 481 Posted October 13, 2012 no i meant the opposite being that he said roxas never had vens heart, how would ven have roxas's heart? I read it as you saying that Nomura said the opposite about Roxas having Ven's heart and that he confirmed that Ven had Roxas's heart. Which of course he couldn't have. But as shown by the other comment he did confirm that Roxas had Ven's heart tho'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted October 13, 2012 no i meant the opposite being that he said roxas never had vens heart, how would ven have roxas's heart? Roxas did have Ven's heart read the interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deathrebirthsenshi 279 Posted October 13, 2012 Nope not only did he confirm it, he did it five seperate occasions. Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297? A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint. Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield? A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. Oh thank you, I was literally just going through interviews trying to figure out exactly where this was said. Interviews are always fun to read anyway^^ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Nope not only did he confirm it, he did it five seperate occasions. Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297? A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint. Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield? A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. everything you said is obvious, everyone knows it, except for that you said Roxas can be considered Sora and Ven's nobody, which is 100% false, and first, when Roxas was in Org 13 and Sora was asleep, even if Roxas had Ven's heart it doesn't mean anything, and second, everything you said never proved that Roxas had Ven's heart inside him while he was in Org 13 and Sora was asleep, i mean Roxas may have had Ven's heart, but if he did, so what, i am just saying you haven't proved it Roxas did have Ven's heart read the interviews. the interviews doesn't exactly tell me which one, and i never said theirs no way Roxas could have had Ven's heart, i mean, so he did, i am not seeing what it means, i mean does it really change anything, Ven's heart is sleeping, so i don't think that just because Roxas had Ven's heart it changes something or means something Edited October 13, 2012 by KeyToDestiny26 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82 Posted October 13, 2012 Im just curious a little curious about what if namine and roxas do grow their own heart? Will there appearance change? Since roxas' appearance is influenced by vens heart and ven does get his heart back then will roxas have a different appearance? And when namine seperates from kairi and grows a heart will she have a different appearance because she has kairis face, right? o.O Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted October 13, 2012 Im just curious a little curious about what if namine and roxas do grow their own heart? Will there appearance change? Since roxas' appearance is influenced by vens heart and ven does get his heart back then will roxas have a different appearance? And when namine seperates from kairi and grows a heart will she have a different appearance because she has kairis face, right? o.O i don't think so, i think the change in appearance is a puppet thing, aka Xion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruran 481 Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) everything you said is obvious, everyone knows it, except for that you said Roxas can be considered Sora and Ven's nobody, which is 100% false, and first, when Roxas was in Org 13 and Sora was asleep, even if Roxas had Ven's heart it doesn't mean anything, and second, everything you said never proved that Roxas had Ven's heart inside him while he was in Org 13 and Sora was asleep, i mean Roxas may have had Ven's heart, but if he did, so what, i am just saying you haven't proved it the interviews doesn't exactly tell me which one, and i never said theirs no way Roxas could have had Ven's heart, i mean, so he did, i am not seeing what it means, i mean does it really change anything, Ven's heart is sleeping, so i don't think that just because Roxas had Ven's heart it changes something or means something Your grammar is a little hard to read... Those are all Q&A from official interviews with Nomura where he's pretty much saying that, yes, Roxas had Ven's heart. Ven's heart is what helped Roxas initially feel and allows Roxas and Sora to dual wield. Im just curious a little curious about what if namine and roxas do grow their own heart? Will there appearance change? Since roxas' appearance is influenced by vens heart and ven does get his heart back then will roxas have a different appearance? And when namine seperates from kairi and grows a heart will she have a different appearance because she has kairis face, right? o.O Wasn't it confirmed that Roxas and Namine already have their own hearts? And nah' I don't think their appearances will change because their current forms are as how they remember themselves. Edited October 13, 2012 by Ruran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted October 13, 2012 everything you said is obvious, everyone knows it, except for that you said Roxas can be considered Sora and Ven's nobody, which is 100% false, and first, when Roxas was in Org 13 and Sora was asleep, even if Roxas had Ven's heart it doesn't mean anything, and second, everything you said never proved that Roxas had Ven's heart inside him while he was in Org 13 and Sora was asleep, i mean Roxas may have had Ven's heart, but if he did, so what, i am just saying you haven't proved it the interviews doesn't exactly tell me which one, and i never said theirs no way Roxas could have had Ven's heart, i mean, so he did, i am not seeing what it means, i mean does it really change anything, Ven's heart is sleeping, so i don't think that just because Roxas had Ven's heart it changes something or means something Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. This sums it up quite nicely I believe, you can't argue with Nomura's own words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82 Posted October 13, 2012 Wasn't it confirmed that Roxas and Namine already have their own hearts? And nah' I don't think their appearances will change because their current forms are as how they remember themselves. they showed signs of growing a heart but i dont think its full grown yet or why else do they still rely on staying inside of sora and kairi? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishira 2,854 Posted October 13, 2012 I'm still pretty much the same about everyone, I can't wait for Sora to FINALLY give Naminé her thank you. And this may come off as heartless (hah) but, honestly, I was bumbed when Xemnas revealed everything could grow a heart and that the Nobodies had hearts all along. Like, really? Really?? Booo, get that outta here. 2 Robbie the Wise and Kirux reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted October 13, 2012 Your grammar is a little hard to read... Those are all Q&A from official interviews with Nomura where he's pretty much saying that, yes, Roxas had Ven's heart. Ven's heart is what helped Roxas initially feel and allows Roxas and Sora to dual wield. Wasn't it confirmed that Roxas and Namine already have their own hearts? And nah' I don't think their appearances will change because their current forms are as how they remember themselves. yes i know that, i agreed now, all i said is idk what it really means, like i don't thing that Roxas having Ven's heart is going to make everything super complicated to get Roxas and Ven back, i am just saying that, and i just started having a problem where my eyes are constantly moving from side to side, and the meds haven't fixed it yet so stuff is blurry, sorry if i am not typing perfectly, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruran 481 Posted October 13, 2012 they showed signs of growing a heart but i dont think its full grown yet or why else do they still rely on staying inside of sora and kairi? I don't think it was so much that they had to "rely" on staying inside them rather than they had something to give back. Well, at least in Roxas's case. He held half of Sora's power and had to give it back. It still hasn't been clarified as to why Namine had to go to Kairi because as far as we know she didn't take anything from her. In fact, she took more from Sora. They could exist simultaneously before now it's just a matter of giving them their own bodies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted October 13, 2012 Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. This sums it up quite nicely I believe, you can't argue with Nomura's own words. yeah this, i know this, Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. and i know that Roxas had Ven's heart when he was in Org 13 and Sora was Asleep, but this quote above says that while Roxas is inside Sora, Ven's heart is there, and i know that Roxas had Ven's heart when he was in Org 13 and Sora was Asleep but the quote doesn't say Roxas had Ven's heart inside him when he and Sora where Separated, so i think, one you are beating a dead horse, because I KNOW ROXAS HAD VEN'S HEART INSIDE HIM WHEN HE WAS IN ORG 13, but 2 the quote you are putting up as proof, which you don't need proof because i agree, is not the correct proof, so stop beating i dead horse, throughout the thread i never said there's no way Roxas had Ven's heart, so you are fighting nobody now, and your "proof" that you say "sums it up quite nicely I believe" is not proof Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
