Better Villain

[Zenithia 305]

tutti frutti. Do you actually think that there will be a better villain than Xehanort? I ultimately think that there would have to be some work done in order to do that. But it would strongly depend on how well developed the villain after Xehanort and if that person can live up to the current expectations that Xehanort has set up so far.

[Oniaku 280]

Maybe. If Sora became the villian. DUH DUH DUH!

[Dave 5,715]

I would like a villain with a significantly less convulated evil plot. Seriously, Xehanort only looks as clever as he is because the plot railroad has simultaneously saw to all of his bets paying off while making everyone else as dumb as a post.

 

I really don't think it will be hard to top him.

[Gamerazor247 877]

How about 2 new villian's, and one of them switches to the good side. Than around the end of the series (yes!, the end of THE SERIES) he betrays Sora : D

[CloakedSchemerX 1,011]

Cliche villains I do NOT want:

 

Evil form of protagonist

 

Evil relative

 

Some dude as the bad guy and then at the end of the last game it shows him and someone else with a 'HAHAHA IM THE ACTUAL VILLAIN HERE. I MINDCONTROLLED HIM HAHAHAHAA' persona.

 

Duplicate or relative of the original antagonist

 

A protagonist's mentor or teacheer (in this case I do not want people like: Merlin, Yen Sid, Eraqus, etc.)

 

An antagonist who decides to bring ALL the other previous antagonists back to life to kill the protagonist

[baylaust 2,531]

Honestly, as a villain, Xehanort hasn't exactly been all that great. His goals haven't been developed well enough, damn near everything he and his other selves have tried so far have failed, and even though everyone talks about how bad Xehanort is, we don't get to see much of that evil. The most we saw was in BBS, and what did he accomplish in that game? He possessed Terra, and... that's pretty much it.

 

In the future, I want to see a clear villain with a clear goal. That's something this series needs: clarity.

[Soul Eater Evans 4,045]

How about..... no. As much as I want a better villain, Xehanort is the essence of Kingdom heart's antagonists. Having a better villain is like Kingdom Hearts with a "better" protagonist than Sora. It's pointless, and ruins the suspense built upon the characters desires and ambitions.

Edited October 10, 2012 by -iAD

[Axtwyt 500]

We don't need a better antagonist. We need better protagonists.

 

A hero able to think and reason and be able to fight the villain not only in combat but in a battle of wits.

[deathrebirthsenshi 279]

An antagonist who decides to bring ALL the other previous antagonists back to life to kill the protagonist

 

*Shakes head at Xehanort* (well, he technically didn't bring all villains back, only himself technically, but still.)

I feel like after dealing with Xehanort, there would need to be a pretty good villain to get the main characters now. Hopefully, the main characters will now be experts at spotting trolling from a mile away...

 

xehanort isn't that fantastic a villain. He'll be hard to top, but I feel like Nomura would be able to do it. I mean, dude, its Nomura.

[Silent Fantasy 43]

Yeah...shouldn't be too hard.

[Caity 3,946]

I don't want a human antagonist next... I want a sort of presence/spirit thing going on

[Weiss 8,279]

I think there should be one. It wouldn't be too hard. All I want is for there to only be "1" of said villain.

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

I would like a villain with a significantly less convulated evil plot. Seriously, Xehanort only looks as clever as he is because the plot railroad has simultaneously saw to all of his bets paying off while making everyone else as dumb as a post.

 

I really don't think it will be hard to top him.

 

No, he really is clever, he manipulates people amazingly. Admittedly he's helped because our heroes are generally pretty slow or overly trusting, but that simply shows that he understands other people's weaknesses, In every game except CoM, which doesn't feature a Xehnaort-based protagonist, he's lost due to the actions of the clever one. In BBS it's Aqua who helps destroy the X-Blade and Terranort, in KHI it's Riku who saves Sora long enough for him to escape and become powerful enough for him to defeat him, in Days it's Riku fighting and defeating Roxas that brings back Sora, who in KHII with Riku's help defeats Xemnas. In coded it's data-Riku that is your ally and helps you finally get to the secret message from Namine, and then in 3Ds he's the person to save Sora from being Norted.

Xehanort's problem is that with so many dumb people around him, he does a poor job of having a plan clever pepole can't see through, even without full information.

[Dave 5,715]

No, he really is clever, he manipulates people amazingly. Admittedly he's helped because our heroes are generally pretty slow or overly trusting, but that simply shows that he understands other people's weaknesses.

 

That right there is the problem, though. Xehanort only understands these characters because they're flat, undeveloped, and only do what they do because the plot demands that they do it, rather than through personality or informed choices. If the characters actually do anything logical or proactive, then its likely Xehanort's plans, such as they are, would begin to fall apart pretty quick.

 

For instance, what if Ven, for whatever reason, decided that blindly listening to every word the frightening masked fellow who just broke into his room was, in fact, a bad idea, and instead thought to tell Master Eraquas, whom he views as a father figure, about what happened? What if, stemming from these events, Eraquas undertook further investigation and began to see signs which might remind him of the conversation he had with Xehanort prior to being zapped in the face? What if, whether he knew all the details or not, Eraquas decided to take some sort of proactive measures to find out what's going on, rather than just sitting in one place twiddling his thumbs whilst all of Xehanort's pieces moved into place?

 

Right there, Xehanort's plan relies on Ven not doing the logical thing, and relies even heavier on Eraquas staying in one place for any amount of time, niether options which are neccessarily in-character, but which they do simply because the plot needs them to do it.

 

What if Terra doesn't give in to the Darkness and denies Xehanort his body? This one is far less guess work when you consider that Terra, in fact, does just that during BBS. At no point during his quests to the worlds does he give in to Darkness, and continues to use Light as his greatest asset. There is no reason whatsoever that his heart should become filled with Darkness other than the plot needed him to; in other words, Terra is manipulated because the plot needs Xehanort to win, not because Terra's character or personality necessarily led to this point.

 

Xehanort is only winning because the plot has arranged it as such, rather than through any strength of character.

Edited October 9, 2012 by Dave

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

That right there is the problem, though. Xehanort only understands these characters because they're flat, undeveloped, and only do what they do because the plot demands that they do it, rather than through personality or informed choices. If the characters actually do anything logical or proactive, then its likely Xehanort's plans, such as they are, would begin to fall apart pretty quick.

 

For instance, what if Ven, for whatever reason, decided that blindly listening to every word the frightening masked fellow who just broke into his room was, in fact, a bad idea, and instead thought to tell Master Eraquas, whom he views as a father figure, about what happened? What if, stemming from these events, Eraquas undertook further investigation and began to see signs which might remind him of the conversation he had with Xehanort prior to being zapped in the face? What if, whether he knew all the details or not, Eraquas decided to take some sort of proactive measures to find out what's going on, rather than just sitting in one place twiddling his thumbs whilst all of Xehanort's pieces moved into place?

 

Right there, Xehanort's plan relies on Ven not doing the logical thing, and relies even heavier on Eraquas staying in one place for any amount of time, niether options which are neccessarily in-character, but which they do simply because the plot needs them to do it.

 

What if Terra doesn't give in to the Darkness and denies Xehanort his body? This one is far less guess work when you consider that Terra, in fact, does just that during BBS. At no point during his quests to the worlds does he give in to Darkness, and continues to use Light as his greatest asset. There is no reason whatsoever that his heart should become filled with Darkness other than the plot needed him to; in other words, Terra is manipulated because the plot needs Xehanort to win, not because Terra's character or personality necessarily led to this point.

 

Xehanort is only winning because the plot has arranged it as such, rather than through any strength of character.

 

Look, I;m not saying Xehanort is a Thrawn or Vetinari, he is simply quite good at what he does, and what he does is deceive.

Ven's first reaction upon being told that Terra's going to leave him behind is to go chasing after Terra to find out if it's true, no doubt he would have talked to Eraqus afterwards, but he finds that Terra really is leaving. And with Terra, Ven, and Aqua all gone, there is no way Eraqus can abandon such an important location as the Land of Departure. Now does Xehanort's plan depend on Ven doing the logical thing? No. But Ventas emotions, and acting him to respond logically to an emotional attack is illogical. Terra gives into the darkness because Xehanort has been leading him down that road since the beginning when he saw Terra and realized he could use him as a vessel. Terra let's darkness become his ally, or so he thinks, unaware of ow it can overpower him in a moment of rage. Consider, when in KHII or CoM Side Riku does Riku get really mad? Like enraged? Basically never, because he keeps control on his darkness. Terra utilized darkness, but didnt have control over it. The primary asset Xehanort has is knowledge. He knows of the X-Blade, and with Vanitas can get a good idea of what Ven feels. His heartless knows to gather 7 pure lights and collect the hearts of worlds. His Nobody knows to collect lots of people's hearts and create 13 vessels for darkness. Nobody else realizes what's going on because Xehanort is basically a scholar gone bad. Is he a genius, no. But he is clever, and mixes truth into his lies to better confuse. It's the people that can see through this that are his downfall.

[Raziel 248]

 

No, he really is clever, he manipulates people amazingly. Admittedly he's helped because our heroes are generally pretty slow or overly trusting, but that simply shows that he understands other people's weaknesses, In every game except CoM, which doesn't feature a Xehnaort-based protagonist, he's lost due to the actions of the clever one. In BBS it's Aqua who helps destroy the X-Blade and Terranort, in KHI it's Riku who saves Sora long enough for him to escape and become powerful enough for him to defeat him, in Days it's Riku fighting and defeating Roxas that brings back Sora, who in KHII with Riku's help defeats Xemnas. In coded it's data-Riku that is your ally and helps you finally get to the secret message from Namine, and then in 3Ds he's the person to save Sora from being Norted.

Xehanort's problem is that with so many dumb people around him, he does a poor job of having a plan clever pepole can't see through, even without full information.

 

Remind me again where you got that Data-Riku saves Sora.

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

Remind me again where you got that Data-Riku saves Sora.

 

Data-Sora protects all the data from being forever lost, and leads us to being able to reach Data-CO. Sora helps him out, but since the entire point of the game is the secret message Namine gives you (and hearts) he ensured that we'd be able to access it. Data-Sora saved him, but he saved the missing folk.

[Smithee 327]

Perhaps someone of light instead of darkness will replace Xehanort as the big bad?

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

Perhaps someone of light instead of darkness will replace Xehanort as the big bad?

 

I hope so.

[Smithee 327]

I hope so.

 

Someone with Eraqus-like goals, similar to

Bane and Miranda/Talia al Ghul in The Dark Knight Rises wanting to carry on Ducard/Ra's al Ghul's legacy.

 

Edited October 11, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

Someone with Eraqus-like goals, similar to

Bane and Miranda/Talia in The Dark Knight Rises wanting to carry on Ducard/Ra's al Ghul's legacy.

 

 

...

Yeah, because when I think light-based characters the first place I go to is Batman too.*sarcasm*

Anyways, why would a Eraqus-type be mad because someone eliminated darkness? They'd be on Sora's side. I'm thinking it'd be someone who has decided to elimnate the worlds in Darkness, like the

Vorlons

from Babylon 5, or the Protoss(?) from Starcraft.

[Smithee 327]

...

Yeah, because when I think light-based characters the first place I go to is Batman too.*sarcasm*

Anyways, why would a Eraqus-type be mad because someone eliminated darkness? They'd be on Sora's side. I'm thinking it'd be someone who has decided to elimnate the worlds in Darkness, like the

Vorlons

from Babylon 5, or the Protoss(?) from Starcraft.

 

Said Eraqus-type would actually be mad because Sora didn't eliminate darkness (because of MIckey and Yen Sid telling him about "balance"). Said Eraqus-type would even openly reject "balance", calling it nothing but a free pass for darkness to cause more suffering.

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

Said Eraqus-type would actually be mad because Sora didn't eliminate darkness (because of MIckey and Yen Sid telling him about "balance"). Said Eraqus-type would even openly reject "balance", calling it nothing but a free pass for darkness to cause more suffering.

 

Aside from Riku, what Darkness has Sora allowed to exist? Edited October 11, 2012 by Gambler'sApprentice

[Smithee 327]

Aside from Riku, what Darkness has Sora allowed to exist?

 

Speaking of which, I've heard theories about MX successfully unlocking KH, only for Sora to fuse with it instead. Sora then becomes obsessed with using his new god-like power to protect all of his friends from darkness by...you guessed it...

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

Speaking of which, I've heard theories about MX successfully unlocking KH, only for Sora to fuse with it instead. Sora then becomes obsessed with using his new god-like power to protect all of his friends from darkness by...you guessed it...

 

Became Xehanort? Please no, that would be terrible. The last person I want out there with god-like powers is Sora. Seriously, I'd rather give it to Donald.