Would you join your nation's military?

[Amon 4,279]

We were talking about this in my history class and I wonder what you guys think.

 

Personally, I'd only join if there was a likely hood of me being drafted. That way I won't get one month of training and be sent over seas as cannon fodder. I would get a decent amount of time for training and be able to reach a rank that isn't expendable and I'd be able to choose which branch to go into.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I already did join the Air Force but my illness crohns ended my career before it really got a chance to start unfortunately

[LordOfTheCastle 92]

Not even if there was a draft. Call me a coward, but if my country wants to send me out to a slaughter, I'll move to a country that doesn't.

[WakelessDream 2,278]

No I'm not signing myself up to take the lives of innocent civilians in the name of democracy or whatever America's excuse is to go to war. And I have life too, I'm not going to waste it by putting myself in the line of fire :0

 

Besides how would I get my daily dose of KH if I'm off fighting on the front lines all the time.

Edited October 5, 2012 by WakelessDream

[Weiss 8,279]

I'd refuse. I honestly, don't like alot of things that take place with the military in my country and I wouldn't want to be a part of it.

[xxClouDxxmoon 901]

I have no reason to fight in a war that has no reason.

[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

I wouldn't go at all, even if drafted. I'm not the kind of person suited for military service of any kind, and I'd more likely be a nuissance than anything. Besides, Canada has enough brave men and women in all branches of our military, they wouldn't need someone like me. I'm more comfortable to support them from the sidelines.

[Queen Tery 4,591]

I wouldn't go at all, even if drafted. I'm not the kind of person suited for military service of any kind, and I'd more likely be a nuissance than anything. Besides, Canada has enough brave men and women in all branches of our military, they wouldn't need someone like me. I'm more comfortable to support them from the sidelines.

 

Pretty much this, except replace Canada with America. lol

[Demyx. 10,064]

Not even if there was a draft. I don't believe in war or guns. I'd cut off my foot if I had to.

[Kishira 2,854]

I've thought about joining back when I was in high school; now, I don't really think I'm good enough TO join but...if I had to, I'd do it if it meant protecting my country.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

No I'm not signing myself up to take the lives of innocent civilians in the name of democracy or whatever America's excuse is to go to war. And I have life too, I'm not going to waste it by putting myself in the line of fire :0

 

Besides how would I get my daily dose of KH if I'm off fighting on the front lines all the time.

 

There is a lot more to the military then taking the lives of others just so you know. I think that's a very close minded way of thinking, a lot of the civilian casualties in this era of warfare are a direct result of guerilla warfare. When you have the enemy blending in with civilians and the civilians are protecting them it's hard to decipher who the enemy really is. Not too mention a good percentage of those casualties are caused by the enemy themselves. Also I really don't think that putting their lives on the line is a waste, because everyday fathers, mother, brothers, and sisters put their lives on the line so that you can enjoy your Kingdom Hearts games.

[Weedanort 8,786]

There is a lot more to the military then taking the lives of others just so you know. I think that's a very close minded way of thinking, a lot of the civilian casualties in this era of warfare are a direct result of guerilla warfare. When you have the enemy blending in with civilians and the civilians are protecting them it's hard to decipher who the enemy really is. Not too mention a good percentage of those casualties are caused by the enemy themselves. Also I really don't think that putting their lives on the line is a waste, because everyday fathers, mother, brothers, and sisters put their lives on the line so that you can enjoy your Kingdom Hearts games.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

Serving the military should be an honor to everyone.

 

If I'm called for a war, I will go gladly, with honor. (Since my grandfather was in a war before, I'd be honored to keep his good name on the military)

[Col.Random 3,683]

I'd love the idea of joining the air force, but i'm starting to think i might not be eligible enough

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

Not under any conditions, I have no right to decide that somebody else should die merely because they oppose me, or worse, total strangers who say I should obey them because they have a title in front of their name.

[WakelessDream 2,278]

There is a lot more to the military then taking the lives of others just so you know. I think that's a very close minded way of thinking, a lot of the civilian casualties in this era of warfare are a direct result of guerilla warfare. When you have the enemy blending in with civilians and the civilians are protecting them it's hard to decipher who the enemy really is. Not too mention a good percentage of those casualties are caused by the enemy themselves. Also I really don't think that putting their lives on the line is a waste, because everyday fathers, mother, brothers, and sisters put their lives on the line so that you can enjoy your Kingdom Hearts games.

 

Well this is going to make me sound worse than before, but keep in mind that's not my intent, and I didn't mean to sound so narrow minded about it(but I guess I kinda ended up doing just that), I know there's more to the military than just taking lives, I didn't say that the people who put their lives on the line were a waste, I appreciate their bravery and sacrifices. What I meant was the whole idea of war doesn't really appeal to me, and I could never imagine myself fighting for that reason, especially since (and I'm sure you've figured this out by now) i'm not very military savvy, I probably wouldn't even last a day in the military, it would be a waste if I joined, because obviously I'm not cut out for that sort of deal(I know that makes me sound conceited or self centered or something but thats not what I'm getting at) Sorry I didn't mean to insult or hurt anyone with this or my previous statement.

[Daniel Black 1,981]

I don´t know... I´m from the idea that diplomacy is the best way to end conficts.... but also i believe that if someone is treating the life of innocents... then we need force to protect them.... mmm

[Silent Fantasy 43]

^ You never force help, and I don't think you realize that we have been making things worse for them over there.

I would never have my life possibly risked to fight a pathetic power war for America. Do I believe in war? No, but I understand sometimes it's unavoidable. This war was completely avoidable though and America's government forces it's "help" where it's not wanted and fights anyone that threatens their hold on land with oil when our land has plenty. It's pathetic, and I pray for the idiots that believe in this fight. They don't deserve to go through the hell they do for this crap, and I will not be one of them without force.

I hate how they use 911 as cover for the beginning of this war too. That didn't call for war, that called for tightened defences. Weapons of "mass destruction"? We didn't piss on Russia years ago, and they really did have WoMD, just no oil. Egypt? Easy, why not.

I don't think I have to say anymore about it.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Silent Fantasy

[Shana09 5,769]

I wouldn't go at all, even if drafted. I'm not the kind of person suited for military service of any kind, and I'd more likely be a nuissance than anything. Besides, Canada has enough brave men and women in all branches of our military, they wouldn't need someone like me. I'm more comfortable to support them from the sidelines.

 

If you were to be drafted it's basically a force.

You have no choice whether to go or not, you have to as a civilian of ur country.

 

There're consequences if you don't go fight for your country.

[Think Pink 1,967]

It's been my plan basically since I was born to join the Marines. I really can't see myself doing anything else. I've spent basically the last 15 years preparing for the military.

 

EDIT:

^ You never force help, and I don't think you realize that we have been making things worse for them over there.

I would never have my life possibly risked to fight a pathetic power war for America. Do I believe in war? No, but I understand sometimes it's unavoidable. This war was completely avoidable though and America's government forces it's "help" where it's not wanted and fights anyone that threatens their hold on land with oil when our land has plenty. It's pathetic, and I pray for the idiots that believe in this fight. They don't deserve to go through the hell they do for this crap, and I will not be one of them without force.

I hate how they use 911 as cover for the beginning of this war too. That didn't call for war, that called for tightened defences. Weapons of "mass destruction"? We didn't piss on Russia years ago, and they really did have WoMD, just no oil. Egypt? Easy, why not.

I don't think I have to say anymore about it.

 

9/11 absolutely called for war. Tightened defenses might work for a while, but eventually the terrorists would get past them. All they want is for us to die. They would not EVER stop trying to kill all of us. I don't know about you, but I don't feel like dying because some moron thinks I should. The only real option we had was to attack the terrorists. Kill or be killed. Everyone's calling bs on the "weapons of mass destruction" now, but if you do your research, the CIA especially had reason to believe that there was a good chance they either already had them, or were capable of obtaining. Yeah, now we know that was probably false, but at the time, how were they supposed to know otherwise? When the first plane hit the first tower, did anyone think it was a terrorist attack? No. Because that was the background information we were working off of. We only realized it was a terrorist attack when the second plane struck. Would you blame everyone who thought the whole thing was an accident before the second plane hit? Of course not, because it would make no sense to blame them. Other countries may not want our help, but let's be honest, who is the first person they call when they're in trouble? Us. We're the world's police, even if we don't want the job. Whether they want our interference or not is not up for debate in anyone's mind. This exact same scenario has played out since the beginning of humanity. The most famous example could be the Romans. Did they not forcefully invade other countries and make their citizens slaves? At least we're not doing that.

 

Doubt edit because I'm a lazy reader:

@Genn

You probably won't ever have to worry about being drafted anyway. Canada is well protected by its allies, and therefore doesn't need as giant of a military (even though their Air Force is far superior to America's). And the draft basically can never be used in America again.

 

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, and I'm not blaming these people, many Americans are cowards nowadays

 

They do not consider fighting for their country (Or maybe not even fighting. Filing papers or flying surveillence jets or responding to natural disasters) honorable. I know a lot of people who mock the military and think the people in it are losers. People would riot if we tried to force a draft now. We could be on the verge of collapse and people would wimp out and refuse to have anything to do with the military. The military isn't even all about fighting. The Coast Guard is pretty cool because many Coasties exclusively respond to natural disasters to rescue people. Some don't even carry weapons because they're there in peace. But that's just me going on my little military love rant.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Think Pink

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

^ You never force help, and I don't think you realize that we have been making things worse for them over there.

I would never have my life possibly risked to fight a pathetic power war for America. Do I believe in war? No, but I understand sometimes it's unavoidable. This war was completely avoidable though and America's government forces it's "help" where it's not wanted and fights anyone that threatens their hold on land with oil when our land has plenty. It's pathetic, and I pray for the idiots that believe in this fight. They don't deserve to go through the hell they do for this crap, and I will not be one of them without force.

I hate how they use 911 as cover for the beginning of this war too. That didn't call for war, that called for tightened defences. Weapons of "mass destruction"? We didn't piss on Russia years ago, and they really did have WoMD, just no oil. Egypt? Easy, why not.

I don't think I have to say anymore about it.

 

I think you need to stop relying on propaganda as a resource for your arguements. There are a lot of false statements, baseless assumptions, and ignorance in this post.

 

First of all roughly 34- to 38 percent of America's oil comes from America while only to 14 percent(varies from source to souce) comes out of the middle east which is down from the 17 percent it was in 2006. So it's baseless to say the only reason we entered the middle east is for it's oil supply.

 

Rough graph of U.S oil consumption (Not the percentages vary from source to source)

 

 

 

You're acting like America went into war without any reason at all, which is far from the truth, in fact we had every reason to go over there. 9/11 was not the cover for America to go into war it was the catalyst, the fact of tthe matter is 9/11 was not the the first attack on America by Al' Qaeda. In 1993 they attempted to bomb the twins towers via car bomb the only difference was that in that instance,their plan was unsucessful in bringing the towers down and no where near as grand in scale as 9/11 was.With that being said it was hard to ignore such a magnitude of an attack and war proceeded. It's people like you who are the same people who would complain if we sat back and waited for them to do it again.

http://www.history.c...e-center-bombed

 

 

Besides that bulking up our security would not have been a remedy in preventing war, in fact it would have been stupid to wait for them to bring war to our homefront. Especially after they threatened to attack us on an even bigger scale then 9/11. Also not for nothing it wasn't like our security during the events of 9/11 was a house of sticks and our defense were down because the country was taking a nap. Al' Qaeda attacked us from the inside, they took flight lessons in our own country, they used our own planes against us, and they used our people as human sheilds. Please explain to me how you would have prepared for that, how would you have tightened your defenses against that.

 

 

Nine times out ten when America "helps where it's not wanted" it's because we're expected to, and when we don't help out we're still the bad guys. So at the end of the day we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Please explain what more do you want out of America and offer a possible solution that keeps us in favorable opinion.

Edited October 5, 2012 by devereauxr

[Dave 5,715]

No, but I would become a farmer and produce the necessary food and produce which feeds people every single day, military personnel included, and whose service without would result in the deaths of millions.

 

Remember, if you don't enlist as a farmer, you don't love your country.

[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

 

 

If you were to be drafted it's basically a force.

You have no choice whether to go or not, you have to as a civilian of ur country.

 

There're consequences if you don't go fight for your country.

 

Then I guess I'd break the law then because the military and I do not mix.

 

It's been my plan basically since I was born to join the Marines. I really can't see myself doing anything else. I've spent basically the last 15 years preparing for the military.

 

EDIT:

 

 

9/11 absolutely called for war. Tightened defenses might work for a while, but eventually the terrorists would get past them. All they want is for us to die. They would not EVER stop trying to kill all of us. I don't know about you, but I don't feel like dying because some moron thinks I should. The only real option we had was to attack the terrorists. Kill or be killed. Everyone's calling bs on the "weapons of mass destruction" now, but if you do your research, the CIA especially had reason to believe that there was a good chance they either already had them, or were capable of obtaining. Yeah, now we know that was probably false, but at the time, how were they supposed to know otherwise? When the first plane hit the first tower, did anyone think it was a terrorist attack? No. Because that was the background information we were working off of. We only realized it was a terrorist attack when the second plane struck. Would you blame everyone who thought the whole thing was an accident before the second plane hit? Of course not, because it would make no sense to blame them. Other countries may not want our help, but let's be honest, who is the first person they call when they're in trouble? Us. We're the world's police, even if we don't want the job. Whether they want our interference or not is not up for debate in anyone's mind. This exact same scenario has played out since the beginning of humanity. The most famous example could be the Romans. Did they not forcefully invade other countries and make their citizens slaves? At least we're not doing that.

 

Doubt edit because I'm a lazy reader:

@Genn

You probably won't ever have to worry about being drafted anyway. Canada is well protected by its allies, and therefore doesn't need as giant of a military (even though their Air Force is far superior to America's). And the draft basically can never be used in America again.

 

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, and I'm not blaming these people, many Americans are cowards nowadays

 

They do not consider fighting for their country (Or maybe not even fighting. Filing papers or flying surveillence jets or responding to natural disasters) honorable. I know a lot of people who mock the military and think the people in it are losers. People would riot if we tried to force a draft now. We could be on the verge of collapse and people would wimp out and refuse to have anything to do with the military. The military isn't even all about fighting. The Coast Guard is pretty cool because many Coasties exclusively respond to natural disasters to rescue people. Some don't even carry weapons because they're there in peace. But that's just me going on my little military love rant.

 

You understand my country so well. <333333

 

Also, what you said and the fact the federal government would never force a draft on Canada.

[Silent Fantasy 43]

I think you need to stop relying on propaganda as a resource for your arguements. There are a lot of false statements, baseless assumptions, and ignorance in this post.

 

First of all roughly 34- to 38 percent of America's oil comes from America while only to 14 percent(varies from source to souce) comes out of the middle east which is down from the 17 percent it was in 2006. So it's baseless to say the only reason we entered the middle east is for it's oil supply.

 

Rough graph of U.S oil consumption (Not the percentages vary from source to source)

 

 

 

You're acting like America went into war without any reason at all, which is far from the truth, in fact we had every reason to go over there. 9/11 was not the cover for America to go into war it was the catalyst, the fact of tthe matter is 9/11 was not the the first attack on America by Al' Qaeda. In 1993 they attempted to bomb the twins towers via car bomb the only difference was that in that instance,their plan was unsucessful in bringing the towers down and no where near as grand in scale as 9/11 was.With that being said it was hard to ignore such a magnitude of an attack and war proceeded. It's people like you who are the same people who would complain if we sat back and waited for them to do it again.

http://www.history.c...e-center-bombed

 

 

Besides that bulking up our security would not have been a remedy in preventing war, in fact it would have been stupid to wait for them to bring war to our homefront. Especially after they threatened to attack us on an even bigger scale then 9/11. Also not for nothing it wasn't like our security during the events of 9/11 was a house of sticks and our defense were down because the country was taking a nap. Al' Qaeda attacked us from the inside, they took flight lessons in our own country, they used our own planes against us, and they used our people as human sheilds. Please explain to me how you would have prepared for that, how would you have tightened your defenses against that.

 

 

Nine times out ten when America "helps where it's not wanted" it's because we're expected to, and when we don't help out we're still the bad guys. So at the end of the day we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Please explain what more do you want out of America and offer a possible solution that keeps us in favorable opinion.

 

I will not argue this. I lost my cool and got stupid, and I do see the ignorance in my post. The matter is, i'v seen too much of what's going on over there, and I never looked into anything about it. What I know is what other ignorant people have said, and I jumped on that knowledge for some reason, even feeling in the back of my mind that it seemed wrong.

The whole point of that rant I went on, filled with misguided info as it is, was that I would go to war, but only if I believed in the cause. As many of my friends and some family that I have seen go, and some not coming back quite as they left, I couldn't do the same unless I knew for sure what I was fighting for.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I will not argue this. I lost my cool and got stupid, and I do see the ignorance in my post. The matter is, i'v seen too much of what's going on over there, and I never looked into anything about it. What I know is what other ignorant people have said, and I jumped on that knowledge for some reason, even feeling in the back of my mind that it seemed wrong.

The whole point of that rant I went on, filled with misguided info as it is, was that I would go to war, but only if I believed in the cause. As many of my friends and some family that I have seen go, and some not coming back quite as they left, I couldn't do the same unless I knew for sure what I was fighting for.

 

I can understand that, and it takes a lot to acknowledge you were wrong so as far I'm conscerned it's all good. Although it's important to inform yourself of what's going on so when you go and debate you don't look like a complete fool. Educating yourself on the world is the key too succeeding in these arguements. Edited October 6, 2012 by devereauxr

[XIIISwords 1,059]

Only if there was a draft. I'm a pacifist, but I don't want to bail on my country.