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KHBbS Sora returning Ventus's heart and losing the Keyblade

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if ventus wakes up will he need his heart from sora. sora is only able to use the key blade becouse of ven's heart. does sora keep the key blade is ven wakes up?

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I thought this too, at first, before the wise Flaming Lea reminded me that Sora can dual wield, and thus must have one of his own, since only one of the two keyblades belongs to Ventus.

 

 

[Edit: ... And Flaming Lea beat me to saying just that. xD]

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No.

 

Sora's main Keyblade was once Riku's Keyblade. Once he proved the worth of his heart ("My friends are my power"), he received his very own Keyblade.

 

Ventus has nothing to do with Sora's ability to wield a Keyblade. Ventus only matters with Sora being able to dual-wield Keyblades.

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  On 10/1/2012 at 3:17 AM, 'benj0818' said:

if ventus wakes up will he need his heart from sora.

 

He's not awake now, so its clear he needs something to wake up.

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Ugh! How many times have we been over this? Nomura confirmed years ago that Sora has his own Keyblade and that only the second one that appears when he's using Sync Blade is Ven's. The strength of Sora's heart and the connection he shares with others will allow him continue using the Keyblade for the rest of his life even after he gives Ven's heart back.

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wait, but if ventus wakes up then Sora can't use his keyblade to duel wield now can he? and then Roxas(if he gets to become his own person like so many think he will) won't be able to oathkeeper oblivion duel wield. if Roxas also becomes his own person can he and Sora still use the keyblade at the same time? x.x

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If Sora hasn't earned being a Keyblade wielder at this point then KK is just being bitchy. 

 

 

 

  On 4/7/2013 at 5:04 AM, Britipinojeff said:

wait, but if ventus wakes up then Sora can't use his keyblade to duel wield now can he? and then Roxas(if he gets to become his own person like so many think he will) won't be able to oathkeeper oblivion duel wield. if Roxas also becomes his own person can he and Sora still use the keyblade at the same time? x.x

 

It's possible that neither Sora nor Roxas will be able to dual wield anymore after Ven is awakened but because dual wielding is such a staple of the series now I reckon they'll still be able to do it because "hearts". For all intensive purposes Roxas has his own heart, he just needs to be chosen by his own Keyblade so eventually he probably won't need to use Sora's anymore. Since they'll always have a special connection though it's also possible that they could still use the KK at the same time but eventually there wouldn't be a need for it.

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  On 4/7/2013 at 10:56 AM, Ruran said:

If Sora hasn't earned being a Keyblade wielder at this point then KK is just being bitchy. 

 

 

 

 

It's possible that neither Sora nor Roxas will be able to dual wield anymore after Ven is awakened but because dual wielding is such a staple of the series now I reckon they'll still be able to do it because "hearts". For all intensive purposes Roxas has his own heart, he just needs to be chosen by his own Keyblade so eventually he probably won't need to use Sora's anymore. Since they'll always have a special connection though it's also possible that they could still use the KK at the same time but eventually there wouldn't be a need for it.

well i guess that just brings about the question of how Riku can have two keys cuz he gave Kairi the one she used to fight heartless. 

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  On 10/1/2012 at 3:17 AM, benj0818 said:

if ventus wakes up will he need his heart from sora. sora is only able to use the key blade becouse of ven's heart. does sora keep the key blade is ven wakes up?

Dude I was just thinking of that

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Honestly, the whole issue of how and why Sora can use key blades is yet another problem with how the series has treated its own backstory.

 

I mean, the way it originally went is that the Keyblade chose Sora, because Riku had chosen darkness over light. But the sequels have rendered this notion mirky. BBS revised it so that Riku wasn't chosen by the keyblade itself, but rather by Terra to be his successor.

 

Heck, originally Roxas was able to dual-weild by himself, then it turned out he could only do that because he absorbed Xion

 

And the whole notion of whether Ven has anything to do with Sora being able to wield is also debatable, because the reveal that he has a keyblade wielder's heart inside his own strongly suggests, whether Nomura intended it or not, that that is what makes him a wielder. 

 

I'm not sure if Sora's dual-wielding was ever explained in the games themselves anyway. It's more of a mechanic than anything else, really and Sora only does it after merging with another party member.

 

So, whatever the case is, Sora will be able to use the key blade or two in-game, for otherwise there would be no gameplay.

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  On 4/7/2013 at 11:07 PM, Neosmith said:

Honestly, the whole issue of how and why Sora can use key blades is yet another problem with how the series has treated its own backstory.

 

I mean, the way it originally went is that the Keyblade chose Sora, because Riku had chosen darkness over light. But the sequels have rendered this notion mirky. BBS revised it so that Riku wasn't chosen by the keyblade itself, but rather by Terra to be his successor.

 

Heck, originally Roxas was able to dual-weild by himself, then it turned out he could only do that because he absorbed Xion

 

And the whole notion of whether Ven has anything to do with Sora being able to wield is also debatable, because the reveal that he has a keyblade wielder's heart inside his own strongly suggests, whether Nomura intended it or not, that that is what makes him a wielder. 

 

I'm not sure if Sora's dual-wielding was ever explained in the games themselves anyway. It's more of a mechanic than anything else, really and Sora only does it after merging with another party member.

 

So, whatever the case is, Sora will be able to use the key blade or two in-game, for otherwise there would be no gameplay.

  Nomura himself stated that Sora was always destined to wield even without Ven's heart and said that Vens heart only gives him the ability to dual wield .This is why Sora still wields after Vens heart was in Roxas and Sora was a walking heart from the end of KH1 till he reunited with Roxas in KH2. He wields his own . This has been addressed many times . He's also stated why Sora and Roxas dual wield :

 

 

*Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?*

 

A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once, Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. 

 

Again if Roxas did not have Ven's heart he would have no means to access Ven's keyblade.

 

 

Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora.

 

 

also :

 

 

Namine tells Riku that in order for Sora's memories to be restored, both Sora's Nobody and Xion must no longer exist. So he takes it on himself to defeat them, but when he and Roxas fought, was that the first time he had realized that Roxas was that Nobody?

 

Nomura: Riku only realizes it when Roxas takes off his hood and he can see his face, and he responds to his call. Until then he only half believed. When he first met Xion, he didn't think that she was Sora or Kairi's Nobody, and it was the same with Roxas. When he first saw Roxas, he had no proof of who he was. So that's why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's, and he called out to him. Part of Riku didn't really want to believe that his best friend really had a Nobody.

 

Xions keyblade is fake which Nomura confirms and is also confirmed in game by Riku himself. The emotion and despair Roxas felt from Xions death awakened Ven's keyblade.

Edited by Flaming Lea

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  On 4/7/2013 at 9:55 PM, Britipinojeff said:

well i guess that just brings about the question of how Riku can have two keys cuz he gave Kairi the one she used to fight heartless. 

 

Riku had two because of his affiliation with Ansem SoD. I reckon the second Keyblade was MX's with a DE Keychain on it but that's more of a fan theory. 

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Riku had two because of his affiliation with Ansem SoD.

 

Dude, Faux-sem/Terranort having a keyblade wasn't even planned until they got to 3D. So, it can't apply here. 

 

Riku had  a second keyblde, because the plot called for it, so Kairi could get the Destiny'e embrace. 

 

I'm not sure if Riku should even have a first keyblade to begin with, as his originally had moved on to Sora but rules regulating the blades are pretty loose in the game's continuity.  

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  On 4/8/2013 at 11:17 AM, Neosmith said:

Dude, Faux-sem/Terranort having a keyblade wasn't even planned until they got to 3D. So, it can't apply here. 

 

Riku had  a second keyblde, because the plot called for it, so Kairi could get the Destiny'e embrace. 

 

I'm not sure if Riku should even have a first keyblade to begin with, as his originally had moved on to Sora but rules regulating the blades are pretty loose in the game's continuity.  

 

Since it was never established where Riku got that second Keyblade revision can be called on it. I wouldn't say that Riku having a second Keyblade was completely for the sake of plot convenience, it was already established that Sora being able to dual wield somehow related to Roxas, at that point it just wasn't established how and why Roxas could. I take it they were trying to create the same build up with Riku and his apparent ability to also dual wield. Not to mention if it was strictly because the plot demanded it (which I won't deny was the case, just for different reasons) they would have just had Kairi pull one out herself. No need to overcomplicate things otherwise by having Riku lend her one.

 

Sure, why not? Keyblades chose their masters and as far as shown the ability stays with a person forever even if they don't have their original Keyblade for one reason or another. Riku had the ability, a qualified heart, no Keyblade, so another chose him.  

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  On 4/10/2013 at 12:50 AM, rikulover35 said:

well to me i think that even ven is the reason why sora was able to use a keyblade he could still use it

"I know the keyblade didn't choose me. But my friends are my power!"

 

"We were gonna totally pick Riku as a vessel again, but then decided to do what they keyblade did and move down the list."

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