"Photos"GIM? 72 Posted September 23, 2012 But without her Roxas might have still been with the Org and He may have never gone against them. Honestly, there is no way to know how the series would have gone without her. Sora still slightly remembers as shown in 3D. Roxas was already questioning his existence before Xion. Personally I think he would of eventually leave the organization. No, no, no, no. Out of the whole series, Xion's plot line is what made me cry and care more about the series. Xion made me think ever more deeply into the game about the friendship and how everybody is connected by these sorrowful memories. Oh god, without Xion I don't know where I would be with this series. Not saying she kept me into the series but her character just really pulled all the emotional stuff together for me. Roxas needs Xion as his ice cream buddy too. Personally I thought BBS had the saddest storyline, but you make a good point. I think Xion is usless at all. Every charater shown so far has a meaning of importance in each title. Without Xion, Roxas would never had a motivation to leave the Organization as Keyofblades said. I think Xion is usless at all. Every charater shown so far has a meaning of importance in each title. Without Xion, Roxas would never had a motivation to leave the Organization as Keyofblades said. This is the reckoning. Disagree. Xion is the best written tragedy that Kingdom Hearts has pulled off thus far. The angst that surrounds her might have her dismissed as a Mary Sue, but it's a good kind of angst with some actual merit behind it. A Mary Sue's angst would only make her more appealing and mysterious to the target fanbase, whereas Xion's tragedy is one of total loss and despair. It's a story of a void that manages to not only gain the phenomenon of self awareness, but also the sensations of joy and happiness. But then, having gained the human trait of emotion, it also has to come to grips with the human fate of mortality. In fact, Xion is the only character in the series who seems to understand what death is: she has come out of nothing, and looks forward only to nothing. There is no soul or ressurection for her (of course, she will doubtlessly come back, given that KH likes to bring back popular characters, but what can you do?), and her existence, more than anyone around her, is nihilistic. What makes Xion work so well is how she is able to accept this fate. Not "accept" in the fashion of trying to sacrifice ones self for the purpose of coming across to the viewer as noble or admirable, while the writers plot to get the character out of trouble so they can have their cake and eat it too, but accept that she is doomed and then proceed to die. The icing on the tragic cake is that this mortality is absolute: she does not even get the benefit of being remembered as solace. All she has is the idea that what she is doing (dying so Sora might live) is morally right, with no other comforts provided. And when she vanishes in Roxas's arms, all that is left is the very void in which she started, empty and absolute. nice argument, i respect . . . not!! jk lol. but really I do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roxas_Wagner 174 Posted September 23, 2012 Coolwings would die if he see this topic. '-' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora_Roxas26 124 Posted September 23, 2012 I honestly think that the Kingdom Hearts series could do without her existence. not a true fan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pyrrha Nikos 1,162 Posted September 23, 2012 This is the reckoning. I respect your opinion, but in my opinion she had such a great impact on the story of Days. Her friendship with Roxas and Axel was beautifully formed and the very reason why it took Namine a year to repair Sora's memories. I do admit she was handled the wrong in the plot, but hey, she exists the story line now and there's nothing we can so to take her out. 2 _The Door To Light_ and "Photos"GIM? reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689 Posted September 23, 2012 I honestly think that the Kingdom Hearts series could do without her existence. Actually I think I just made her up. I think I felt that I needed to create a character that was really pointless in the game and add more confusion/frustration to the game... Well in the end they're all connected to sora so same thing really http://kh13.com/forum/topic/41388-xarmy-sue/ http://dracozombie.deviantart.com/#/d531kf3 2 _The Door To Light_ and Weiss reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishira 2,854 Posted September 23, 2012 -gets shield ready- Personally, I feel Xion's whole existance wasn't needed... At. All. Roxas still had a reason for leaving the Org.XIII; Xion just added more drama as to why. If you're gonna add a character that no one just happens to remember, don't force me to feel sorry for it by adding angst and a cry-me-a-river backstory. It's only gonna have the opposite effect on me. ò__ó Now, I'm all for Nomura and SE changing my opinion on her; but so far, Hayden coming back is the only thing that has made my dislike her a little less. lol. 2 Pyrrha Nikos and "Photos"GIM? reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demetri Burke 11 Posted September 23, 2012 no xion's tragedy compared to all the other kh tragedies make the earth shake in her awesomeness lol .yea theres bbs but in days you walked into the story knowing these people were going to die and the fact that everybody forgets her and her sacrifice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r0ckstarferlife 34 Posted September 23, 2012 I honestly think that the Kingdom Hearts series could do without her existence. How could you!? she was a great character, the series wouldn't be the same without her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
"Photos"GIM? 72 Posted September 23, 2012 not a true fan hey just a because I don't like something within the kingdom hearts series doesn't mean Im not a true fan. Dude that hurts. no xion's tragedy compared to all the other kh tragedies make the earth shake in her awesomeness lol .yea theres bbs but in days you walked into the story knowing these people were going to die and the fact that everybody forgets her and her sacrifice. but your forgetting the fact when she actually attempted to absorb Roxas which would result with Sora being in eternal sleep. 2 TheApprenticeofKingMickey and Kishira reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambler'sApprentice 131 Posted September 23, 2012 I respect you right to dislike her, but I'd like to point out she did more to save the worlds than Roxas did, and jokes about her inexistence/ erasuree from people's memories are in bad form, becuase that's not funny. That's tragic, no matter who it is that's lost. 1 _The Door To Light_ reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
"Photos"GIM? 72 Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) I respect you right to dislike her, but I'd like to point out she did more to save the worlds than Roxas did, and jokes about her inexistence/ erasuree from people's memories are in bad form, becuase that's not funny. That's tragic, no matter who it is that's lost. good point. but if she would continue to exist Roxas would cease to exist anyway and Sora would not be able to ever wake up. So there's more loss to that. Edited September 23, 2012 by Joseph Martin Canillas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambler'sApprentice 131 Posted September 23, 2012 good point. but if she would continue to exist Roxas would cease to exist anyway and Sora would not be able to ever wake up. So there's more loss to that. Only in Days, and because Xemnas and Saix are arses, and now that he's back, it's quite likely Namine can extract her, Roxas' and Ventus' hearts without grabbing Sora's memories. And if not, we are trading three Keyblade wielders for one, being emotionless, that's still a pretty good exchange rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum of Life 188 Posted September 23, 2012 I don't think the character herself is the problem. It's not like she does anything detestable. I have a lot more issue with her implementation into the story. As the essay that some people linked pointed out, Xion was made as a character to motivate Roxas to leave the organization. That is the thing I take the most issue with. It's consistent with the themes of the series, but (to me at least) it wasn't consistent with Roxas's character. Roxas came across as a very introspective and withdrawn person who had no one to really trust and didn't take things at face value. It seemed to me that Roxas would have left primarily because he had an independent epiphany and decided to give Xemnas the proverbial finger, not because he was grief stricken from Saix and Xemnas playing puppy football. I dislike her, but it's because I feel she damaged the appeal of another character I used to like. The other nobodies ( as in the ones that were offed or simply not featured much) getting shafted character development wise was salt in the wound. If she were introduced more organically into the story and wasn't Roxas's primary reason for leaving, I think she would be fine. 3 TheApprenticeofKingMickey, "Photos"GIM? and Kishira reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
"Photos"GIM? 72 Posted September 23, 2012 I don't think the character herself is the problem. It's not like she does anything detestable. I have a lot more issue with her implementation into the story. As the essay that some people linked pointed out, Xion was made as a character to motivate Roxas to leave the organization. That is the thing I take the most issue with. It's consistent with the themes of the series, but (to me at least) it wasn't consistent with Roxas's character. Roxas came across as a very introspective and withdrawn person who had no one to really trust and didn't take things at face value. It seemed to me that Roxas would have left primarily because he had an independent epiphany and decided to give Xemnas the proverbial finger, not because he was grief stricken from Saix and Xemnas playing puppy football. I dislike her, but it's because I feel she damaged the appeal of another character I used to like. The other nobodies ( as in the ones that were offed or simply not featured much) getting shafted character development wise was salt in the wound. If she were introduced more organically into the story and wasn't Roxas's primary reason for leaving, I think she would be fine. I admire your opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted September 23, 2012 I suprised the fanboys and girls didn't kill this thread :I Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demetri Burke 11 Posted September 23, 2012 hey just a because I don't like something within the kingdom hearts series doesn't mean Im not a true fan. Dude that hurts. but your forgetting the fact when she actually attempted to absorb Roxas which would result with Sora being in eternal sleep. she was under the influence, completely understandable. all jokes aside though she was being influenced by xenmas or something like that.she didn't do it to stay alive and keep sora asleep. xion had already chosen to die when she meet namine and did her " im ready" face. 1 "Photos"GIM? reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dusk 910 Posted September 23, 2012 I can't really even count how many times this thing has been discussed over and over.. It never ends 2 replika13 and _The Door To Light_ reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexen 73 Posted September 23, 2012 Because of her, we learnt that nobodies actually have some sort of emotions and also, she was extremely important for Roxas' character development throughout the game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caity 3,946 Posted September 23, 2012 I don't have a problem with Xion, so I don't mind her existence I just don't like her hair... I know it's meant to be like Kairi's reversed but it reminds me of those "scene/emo" kids who don't know how to cut a fringe and just sweep it in front I hope, if she becomes her own self, she gets a new image so she's not a replicate of Sora anymore 1 "Photos"GIM? reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_The Door To Light_ 1,507 Posted September 23, 2012 "All those hearts that I've captured...Kingdom Hearts...Set them free." - Xion "I'm going to set Kingdom Hearts free! Then everything can go back to the way it was!"- Roxas "I have to find this Sora person, and freeing Kingdom Hearts is the only way!"- Roxas If it wasn't for Xion, Roxas wouldn't have these motives. Importance to the story aside, Xion has strong sense of kindness and generosity. She is willing to do anything for Roxas and Axel and will always protect the things she cares about. I don't think adding such a good charcter to the story was really a waste. I respect your opinion, but I felt like you could have more reasons to support you argument. 1 replika13 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
"Photos"GIM? 72 Posted September 24, 2012 I suprised the fanboys and girls didn't kill this thread :I same Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites