So what about FFX HD Square?

[Kirux 1,224]

Don't worry, this is a common reaction to Dave's posts

 

Now I don't feel as special.

 

I feel hesitant about FF remakes/masters. It's not the same as just porting the games to different systems like they have in the past. I'm scared of SE deciding to change things, make it the way they 'really' envisioned it. AKA go all George Lucas/DMC revamp on our childhoods.

[Silent Fantasy 43]

Square has been very good at respecting source material in all of their remakes and ports. I doubt an HD Collection will be ruined by them, if changed at all.

[Kirux 1,224]

Square has been very good at respecting source material in all of their remakes and ports. I doubt an HD Collection will be ruined by them, if changed at all.

 

Mostly true, yes. One thing are are really good at is getting the dialogue translated better, which causes changes in script. If they re-released FF7 Aerith would have her REAL name, and not her localised name. I know that that is a big thing for a lot of FF7 fans I talk to, they seem to be adamant on the fact that her name is Aeris. They are wrong. >=[

[XIIISwords 1,059]

Mostly true, yes. One thing are are really good at is getting the dialogue translated better, which causes changes in script. If they re-released FF7 Aerith would have her REAL name, and not her localised name. I know that that is a big thing for a lot of FF7 fans I talk to, they seem to be adamant on the fact that her name is Aeris. They are wrong. >=[

 

They could have easily fixed the Aerith problem in Kingdom Hearts or Crisis Core, but they didn't.

 

I'm considering asking for the regular X for Christmas because I don't want to wait...

[Kirux 1,224]

They could have easily fixed the Aerith problem in Kingdom Hearts or Crisis Core, but they didn't.

 

I'm considering asking for the regular X for Christmas because I don't want to wait...

 

Yeah they used Aerith, the original actual name in JP and a lot of my friends had a hissy fit. 'Her name is Aeris not Aerith wtf?" and I was all "Um noooo it was a localisation error." But they wouldn't listen to me of course.

[Silent Fantasy 43]

Considering that you can rename her Aerith in FFVII (as I do) it's no big issue, though FFVII has many translation issues just like every FF before it. The games were not getting proper translations (good ones) till FFVIII. Honestly, Ted Woosley was horrible, and he tried to do a literal translation of FFVII, so alot of it was...well weird.

[Kirux 1,224]

Considering that you can rename her Aerith in FFVII (as I do) it's no big issue, though FFVII has many translation issues just like every FF before it. The games were not getting proper translations (good ones) till FFVIII. Honestly, Ted Woosley was horrible, and he tried to do a literal translation of FFVII, so alot of it was...well weird.

 

That is true, some people (like you) don't have a problem with it other people (hardheaded fans I know) do. I'm not saying *I* have an issue with it, I was pointing out their idiotic stand on things. I really don't give a damn about her one way or another cause in KH and AC whenever she talks I just yell at her to "Shut up cause yer dead."

[Silent Fantasy 43]

I wasn't saying you did man, was just pointing out how easy it would be to get around the translation issue as I do and explaining a small bit of the translation issue itself. Honeslty though, most fans of FFVII irritate me because they come off as hard headed. It is a very good game and i'm not going to hate on it just because it's overhyped and very populer like many do, because it is one of the better Final Fantasy titles only under VI, IV, V, X. (All for different reasons and not in that order.) and stands as one of my favorites also.

And people like to say things about people who started with FFVII, but I was one of those people. It was eiher my 2nd or 4th RPG I ever played. I know Chrono Trigger was my first, but I can't remember if I played Chrono Cross and The Legend of Dragoon before FFVII. I do know it was my first Final Fantasy though.

Anyway, I am getting way off track. lol (Gotta love A.D.D. )

Edited September 29, 2012 by Silent Fantasy

[Xail 113]

hope FFX HD has better voice acting

[Silent Fantasy 43]

Unless they plan to redo all of the voice acting that's not even a possibilty. The only games I know to get recast for the HD remasters are Silent Hill 2 and 3. FFX has had no information on such a thing.

[axele 151]

They can't because they're too busy milking the FF 13 games.

 

[Silent Fantasy 43]

Only in FF is making 2 sequels considered milking...

[hatok 6,413]

They can't because they're too busy milking the FF 13 games.

 

 

Yeah. What are they thinking. HD remakes are WAY more important than new, original games

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Personally I prefered the characters in X to XII because I feel like they're all stereotypical parodies. The "Street Rat" (Vaan), the "Big Sister Type" (Pennelo), The "Dashing Renegade" (Balthier), the "Exotic Beauty" (Fran)*, the "Rebel Princess" (Ashe) and the "Disgraced Officer" (Basch)** the party in X seemed more genuine and relateable to me, maybe because Tidus and I have something in common. Yes Rikku was the token "Perky Girl"

but even she had her moments, especially when you see how concerned she is for Yuna

The cousin she barely even knows

 

 

*The token non-human. Yes I realize Kimahri was the token non-human too but he was a lot less annoying, maybe because he didn't have an Icelandic accent that made him sound like Eva Gabor speaking with a mouth full of syrup. (And, yes, I realize that Eva was Hungarian not Icelandic but the point is I couldn't understand either of them)

 

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Really Square? The evil twin thing? Really? C'mon.

 

Edited October 18, 2012 by Sora_Kuno

[Dave 5,715]

Personally I prefered the characters in X to XII because I feel like they're all stereotypical parodies. The "Street Rat" Vaan), the "Big Sister Type" (Pennelo), The "Dashing Renegade" (Balthier), the "Exotic Beauty" (Fran)*, the "Rebel Princess" (Ashe) and the "Disgraced Officer" (Basch)** the party in X seemed more genuine and relateable to me, maybe because Tidus and I have something in common. Yes Rikku was the token "Perky Girl"

but even she had her moments, especially when you see how concerned she is for Yuna

The cousin she barely even knows

 

 

*The token non-human. Yes I realize Kimahri was the token non-human too but he was a lot less annoying, maybe because he didn't have an Icelandic accent that made him sound like Eva Gabor speaking with a mouth full of syrup. (And, yes, I realize that Eva was Hungarian not Icelandic but the point is I couldn't understand either of them)

 

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Really Square? The evil twin thing? Really? C'mon.

 

 

I think X is far worse for that. Most of the cast of the party are there simply because you need the job type, not because they have much personality or purpose. Lulu is a black mage... and nothing else. Kimahri is the muscle... and nothing else. Seriously, cut them out of the story. Nothing changes.

 

XII was wonderful for giving the characters developed personalities and actual depth, not just acting out the tropes you listed. Yes, they might be categorized, but they are not limited by this. Consider the "Rebel Princess" of Ashe. She wants her throne back, but it's more than just a matter of her being the rightful queen. She believes in her own authority, evidenced by how she naturally takes charge and how she is incensed at the idea of being told what to do by her uncle (note that this is not petulant "don't tell me what to do" anger, but rather the idea that she cannot assert herself in this situation and is being forced to take a back seat). She does have an ego on a personal level when talking to the likes of Baltheir, yet somehow can soften that ego when considering the faceless masses who she may or may not see, meaning that she still has an idea of right and wrong. It's also worth noting that she is not a "reluctant queen" or rebellious in the sense that she's acting against some authority figure as a teen might react against their parents, but rather is acting as a rational adult who knows what her role in the world is and is trying to restore it.

 

Ashe has an experience of loss that outweighs that of most people, seeing as she loses her family, fiance, and kingdom in a very short time, but because she has such a sense of control and the idea that she must be the one to keep things orderly, she does not descend to the levels of brooding and isolation that Squall and Cloud might. Rather, she keeps the face of one who must lead, as a queen must, in spite of the fact that the loss fuels her at all times and resurges on multiple occasions: when confronting Basch, she can't help but slap him in anger, and even after its clear he's not the one behind it all, she still harbors a slight coolness towards him as if it's his fault. She's trying to constantly rationalize the world around her and make something of it, but not on an ultra-naive fashion of boundless optimism, or the ultra-utilitarian philosophy of Yuna. She's doing it for multiple reasons, for the people she feels she must lead, for her own desires, and because she's aware of what the public eye must think of her.

 

Further, what is she willing to do to get that throne back and reassert the authority that she wants? This is the meat and potatoes of Ashe's story. She's convinced herself that she wants a straight revenge against Vayne, and rightfully so, given that the man has taken everything from her that she values. This enters a grey area of Ashe's character as she contemplates simply destroying Rabinastre and ending it all together. This is what the average viewer might be cheering for, given that it's the base impulse one might have against the villain of a story. Yet as Ashe goes on, it becomes far hazier, for really, if she kills her opponents and crusehs a country to assert her own power, how is she any different than Vayne? Suddenly, the classical good vs. evil spectrum becomes corrupted, because the thing which can help Ashe get her goals is also the thing that could destroy her. For getting revenge in this fashion ultimately would not be satisfying to her, as all she would be left with is the void still left behind by the loss she experienced before, with nothing constructive in its stead. What makes the situation even more complicated is that Ashe is given the button to the nuke, such as it were, and is given the very ability she wanted: the power to take out Rabinastre. This is a temptation that drives Ashe's arc to the breaking point, for even if she knows it might be wrong and that she would never live it down, this is exactly the power she wants and what she has been seeking all this time. She is conflicted and torn asunder, and given that the gods of this world are essentially telling her she must do this, it makes her choices all the more complex. It is in light of this multiplicity of elements that the choice that Ashe does make is more revealing of the character: when she makes that choice, it is sure to have consequence, likely negative, that will reflect back on her. And it is that complexity behind the quest of Ashe that makes her story so interesting and her character so deep.

Edited October 18, 2012 by Dave

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I kind of agree with you about Ashe Even though I listed her as a stereotype even while writing I had trouble deciding on it. But think of this it is normal to give the most character development to the main character. They did the same thing with Tidus. But my problem is this, we find out almost nothing out about anyone else. All we learn about the others is that Fran is an outcast to her people and Vaan's parents died of the plague. I don't really count Bach supposedly killing Vann's brother as development because we knew that from the get-go. And as far as any "development" for Basch and Balthier Square takes a page out of George Lucas's book and goes the Soap Opera route.

 

Dr.Cid: Baltheir...I am your father! And as for Basch, as I mentioned, the evil twin thing

 

But in X we find out why Wakka hates the Al Behd even more than your average Yevonite and, through his interaction with Rikku, manages to put it behind him. We find out how Kimari lost his horn and why he left Mt. Gagazet and in the end he manages to regain his honor. True we only find out small tidbits about the others Rikku being afraid of thunder Lulu being intimately involved with Chappu and

Auron's "The 6th Sense" twist (except he knew from the beginning)

. But still, that's 3 characters having at least some amount of actual character development as opposed to 1.

P.S. Not trying to argue with you. Just explaining my position. To many people online (and in rl for that matter) think that just because you have a different opinion than you're trying to pick a fight.