Would You Sympathize With A Light-Based Antagonist?

[Smithee 327]

Given the history of Darkness-related tragedies in the KH series, would you sympathize with a Light-based antagonist?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

A bad guy is still a bad guy regardless of his weapon so no

[Axtwyt 500]

Honest to god, it depends on his backstory and motives.

[Smithee 327]

A bad guy is still a bad guy regardless of his weapon so no

 

I meant if he/she were an Anti-Villain or something like that.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I meant if he/she were an Anti-Villain or something like that.

 

 

It depends on what actions they were taking but more than likely not because doing wrong things are still wrong

[Caity 3,946]

Not really.

When Eraqus turned on Ven even though he ultimately thought it was for the good, the light,

I still thought he was a jerk.

A light-based antagonist would be the same as as dark one, just would probably harbor a stronger hatred for Riku or Lea and try to convince Kairi, Sora and all to turn on them.

[Silent Fantasy 43]

I wonder where this idea came from... lol

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

It depends on a lot of things. If his life was tragic I might, but if he's just gotten fed up, probably not.

[Dave 5,715]

Yes.

 

If he were driven to do negative things, than that would be a sign of Darkness, not Light.

 

Mostly, I think the desire to have a villain on the other side of the spectrum is fueled more by a love of the contrary for contrary's sake.

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From the "Wild Mass Guessing - Kingdom Hearts" section of TV Tropes:

 

 

"The very last boss of the very last game will be Kairi.

 

Throughout the game, Kairi will be kidnapped and experimented on by whichever incarnation of Xehanort is the Big Bad at the moment (or one of his minions). Since she has no darkness in her heart, Xehanort and his underlings will somehow try to extract the light in her heart and use some kind of polarizing machine to use Kairi's light to get rid of all the light in the multiverse and plunge it into a world of eternal darkness. (Or something like that.) This, of course, will turn Kairi into a mentally unstable, suffering wreck, and the game will go to great lengths to show her ordeals throughout the story. When Sora, Riku and their companions arrive to defeat Xehanort and rescue Kairi, they'll notice Kairi's heavily unstable state and get really worried. Of course, they'll get all angsty at Xehanort for turning her into a half-dead wreck of a human being by tampering with her heart too much. We'll get the usual multi-tiered epic final battle against Xehanort, and it'll look like Sora's finally won, Xehanort is finally dead, and the story is finished. But Kairi isn't back to normal again! Sora tries everything to restore her, but to no avail. Mickey (or some other mentor) tells the gang that Xehanort's tampering with the light in Kairi's heart has turned her into a ticking time bomb that threatens to engulf the entire multiverse in light and eliminate all darkness, and that pure light is just as destructive as pure darkness; there must be balance. Mickey explains further that the only way to save the multiverse is to seal Kairi's heart. With no other alternative, Sora must fight his friend if he is to prevent everything from being consumed. Kairi, now completely possessed by the light, grows a pair of angel wings, draws her Destiny's Embrace Keyblade, and the fight begins. Throughout the whole final battle (which would probably be a Breather Boss), Sora will be extremely hesitant and unenthusiastic in his attacking, and will be visibly crying throughout the whole battle, Same for Kairi, to some extent, but she'll feel that she has no choice but to eliminate all darkness in the worlds to undo all the harm that Xehanort has done. We'll probably get some soft, sad remix of Kairi's theme as the battle music. At the end, Kairi, now close to dying, will regain her senses, and thank Sora for ending her suffering and saving the worlds. She'll then dissolve into thousands of particles of light and float away. Although this could end up being Narm. Sorry if that seemed random, but hey, it's Kingdom Hearts."

Edited September 12, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Felix...x? 113]

Why does every one dislike kairi? Nomura is making her a keyblader, she has literally the one of the purest hearts in the universe and actually prompted the biggest yaoi moment in the franchise (she showed sora that riku was in that form at which point he went on his knees and cried for him) any ways, in all honesty there should be a light baced villan but kairi is not it. When in doubt, use Oswald!

 

And I would sympathize with him

[Silent Fantasy 43]

That whole TV Trope things is nonsense.lol Xehanort doesn't want to extinguish all light, he knows balance is important. And the Kairi part in itself is the obvious joke. lol

[Smithee 327]

That whole TV Trope things is nonsense.lol Xehanort doesn't want to extinguish all light, he knows balance is important. And the Kairi part in itself is the obvious joke. lol

 

Not mine; just quoted it to give an idea of a sympathetic Light-antagonist.

 

My personal idea is someone similar to, say, Yuri Lowell from "Tales Of Vesperia". Yuri Lowell grew disillusioned with his country's seemingly ineffective laws and became a vigilante as a result. Likewise, my Light-antagonist is someone disillusioned with "balance", which he/she believes only gives Darkness a free pass.

Edited September 13, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Silent Fantasy 43]

^ I know, I wasn't being serious. lol I understand the kind of antagonist your thinking of though. One that's a bit more morally grey instead of just "pure evil!". Though mind control is a strange example to use to show that.

[Felix...x? 113]

That whole TV Trope things is nonsense.lol Xehanort doesn't want to extinguish all light, he knows balance is important. And the Kairi part in itself is the obvious joke. lol

 

I was just kidding around, thus the oswald reference, I do think that it's a great story ark though that truly has potential to well... Echemm...

It! Could!!! WORK!!! -gene wilder

[Silent Fantasy 43]

So was I. You couldn't read that and think it could be taken seriously. lol

[Smithee 327]

To be fair, my "vigilante of Light" did once try to embrace "balance". It's just that Darkness eventually engulfed his/her World, ruined his/her life, and destroyed his/her idealism. Now he/she is determined to rid every Heart and World of Darkness, regardless of whether or not people like Mickey and Yen Sid agree.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[rodx 8]

Marluxia is a kind of light based antagonist(remember her final form on remake ? ) .

[DG20 67]

Marluxia is a kind of light based antagonist(remember her final form on remake ? ) .

 

Marluxia's a her? For a light based antagonist, what about Sora? Like, if Vanitas came back. That might be as close as they get to good guy going to the dark side besides Master Xehanort's implied backstory.

[Silent Fantasy 43]

Marluxia doesn't count for obvious reasons, and Vanitas really has nothing to do with Sora besides the possibility that he rest in Soras heart with Ventus's heart, but he is still fully Ventus's dark side.

Honestly though, even someone who uses darkness can be sympathetic. Look at Riku in KH1. What I would like is a true female antagonist that's a KH original. KH is a real sausage fest and yet even Larxene had a pretty small role. It's amost as if Nomura has a thing against females. lol

Edited September 17, 2012 by Silent Fantasy

[Smithee 327]

Marluxia doesn't count for obvious reasons, and Vanitas really has nothing to do with Sora besides the possibility that he rest in Soras heart with Ventus's heart, but he is still fully Ventus's dark side.

Honestly though, even someone who uses darkness can be sympathetic. Look at Riku in KH1. What I would like is a true female antagonist that's a KH original. KH is a real sausage fest and yet even Larxene had a pretty small role. It's amost as if Nomura has a thing against females. lol

 

A Light-based, female, KH-original antagonist?

 

No problem:

 

Edited September 18, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Silent Fantasy 43]

She doesn't fit the antagonist criteria. lol (awsome pic though)

[Smithee 327]

She doesn't fit the antagonist criteria. lol (awsome pic though)

 

Are you familiar with the term "Woobie, Destroyer Of Worlds"?