Master Xehanort and Terra-Xehanorts completion

[Helios X 6]

 

This topic may contain possible spoilers. Sorry I forgot to put a spoiler warning.

 

This game can be confusing and a little tricky to understand. My question is did Master Xehanort came back because both Ansem and Xemnas where destroyed or was because when both of them where slain Young Xehanort came into action and brought him back along with all of his incarnations? If it was because merley Ansem and Xemnas where defeated then what happened to his Terra half? Will Terra- Xehanort be revived or has he been picked up from the past to join the new organization? Does this mean Terra is free? Or if YX came into action and recluted him that means there is no Terra-Xehanort in the present because Ansem and Xemnas have been pulled out from their places in time and thus not being able to recomplete Terra-Xehanort. Meaning that Master Xehanort belongs to the time where he was about or after he confronted Terra, Ven and Aqua.

 

I also think that YX could time travel to a destination in time and use his time reversal move that he uses in battle to heal his HP to revive diffrent versions of himself. For example: lets say when Xemnas was defeated, YX could have time travel unnoticed to the place where Xemnas was slain and use that move on the location of his death to revive him. That would also explain why some of the organization members where not recompleted. Any comments?

Edited December 28, 2015 by Helios X

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

As far as we know the Master Xehanort that appears in DDD is indeed still Terranort. It appears that MX's heart has completely engulfed Terra's hearts and since the hearts shapes the vessel Terra's body has taken on the appearance of the old man. It is possible that they could pick up the Terranort from bbs as the thirteenth vessel but unitl KH3 comes out we won't know. Also it is not confirmed that the other Organization members were not recompleted, they turned to nobodies in world's other then Radiant Garden so wherever they fell is where they'll revive. Nomura hinted that some of them could have been amongst the thirteen vessels.

Edited September 10, 2012 by devereauxr

[RikuVazquez 108]

I don't think your theory is correct, Young Xehanort said that one of the laws of time travel is that you cannot change history

[Helios X 6]

I don't think your theory is correct, Young Xehanort said that one of the laws of time travel is that you cannot change history

 

Well, i don't know how Young Xehanort using his abilities to revive or reclute other members is actually changing history. But if what i mention above is incorrect then how is Master Xehanort going to summon the 13 darknesses if most of them went back to their original place in time to die or continue their part in history. He has to have a way of summoning 13 incarnations of himself without changing history because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do so. I don't know if i'm being clear. When Í meant Master Xehanort was of that time period is when he removed his heart to possess Terra. His body and mind faded but they where not gone. His heart was inside Terra. The newely born Terra-Xehanort would continue to make history while YX could have use time reversal on Master Xehanort body to recomplete him. Then relocate his body to TWTNW. It is true what you said, this is only a theory and it may not be accurate. What i'm having trouble with is how could MX be revived instead of Terra-Xehanort. And if so, what happened to the part of him that is Terra? Edited September 11, 2012 by geocenter

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Well, i don't know how Young Xehanort using his abilities to revive or reclute other members is actually changing history. But if what i mention above is incorrect then how is Master Xehanort going to summon the 13 darknesses if most of them went back to their original place in time to die or continue their part in history. He has to have a way of summoning 13 incarnations of himself without changing history because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do so. I don't know if i'm being clear. When Í meant Master Xehanort was of that time period is when he removed his heart to possess Terra. His body and mind faded but they where not gone. His heart was inside Terra. The newely born Terra-Xehanort would continue to make history while YX could have use time reversal on Master Xehanort body to recomplite him. Then relocate his body to TWTNW. It is true what you said, this is only a theory and it may not be accurate. What i'm having trouble with is how could MX be revived instead of Terra-Xehanort. And if so, what happened to the part of him that is Terra?

 

Young Xehanort does not revive his other selves he puls them from the past from before they were destroyed. Also your theory about Master Xehanort's past body being revived via Young Xehanort isn't really plausible because he would still need his heart to be recompleted.

As far as we know the Master Xehanort that appears in DDD is indeed still Terranort. It appears that MX's heart has completely engulfed Terra's hearts and since the hearts shapes the vessel Terra's body has taken on the appearance of the old man. It is possible that they could pick up the Terranort from bbs as the thirteenth vessel but unitl KH3 comes out we won't know. Also it is not confirmed that the other Organization members were not recompleted, they turned to nobodies in world's other then Radiant Garden so wherever they fell is where they'll revive. Nomura hinted that some of them could have been amongst the thirteen vessels.

 

Read this it will answer your question

[RikuVazquez 108]

Well, i don't know how Young Xehanort using his abilities to revive or reclute other members is actually changing history. But if what i mention above is incorrect then how is Master Xehanort going to summon the 13 darknesses if most of them went back to their original place in time to die or continue their part in history. He has to have a way of summoning 13 incarnations of himself without changing history because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do so. I don't know if i'm being clear. When Í meant Master Xehanort was of that time period is when he removed his heart to possess Terra. His body and mind faded but they where not gone. His heart was inside Terra. The newely born Terra-Xehanort would continue to make history while YX could have use time reversal on Master Xehanort body to recomplite him. Then relocate his body to TWTNW. It is true what you said, this is only a theory and it may not be accurate. What i'm having trouble with is how could MX be revived instead of Terra-Xehanort. And if so, what happened to the part of him that is Terra?

 

Good point, that's a question, that the answers lies in kingdom hearts 3, so we have to wait

[Henne 150]

When I think about it... there could really be more than one way to time tavel (the world in KH2 aside):

Xehanort had to choose a way where he does not change the past or maybe he would not be there "today".

At least we know that Merlin can somehow speed up time or something like that.

[Smithee 327]

As far as we know the Master Xehanort that appears in DDD is indeed still Terranort. It appears that MX's heart has completely engulfed Terra's hearts and since the hearts shapes the vessel Terra's body has taken on the appearance of the old man. It is possible that they could pick up the Terranort from bbs as the thirteenth vessel but unitl KH3 comes out we won't know. Also it is not confirmed that the other Organization members were not recompleted, they turned to nobodies in world's other then Radiant Garden so wherever they fell is where they'll revive. Nomura hinted that some of them could have been amongst the thirteen vessels.

 

Alternatively, Terra's Heart (and, by extension, Eraqus's Heart) may no longer be present inside Terranort, but instead elsewhere (much like how Ansem SOD removed Riku's Heart in KH1).

[Helios X 6]

Young Xehanort does not revive his other selves he puls them from the past from before they were destroyed. Also your theory about Master Xehanort's past body being revived via Young Xehanort isn't really plausible because he would still need his heart to be recompleted.

Read this it will answer your question

 

Sorry for not answering. I've read what you said and it could be, but that would be so... dissapointing. I understand what you said that Xehanort's influence on Terra's heart could be such that he ended up looking like the old man. Then taking on someone else's body that is young to end up looking like an old man again after ten years, it would have been pointless. This statement can be countered by saying that the purpose of taking someone else's body is to prolong the years of your life, but...I don't know. I'm not sure about that.

That would also eliminate Terra-Xehanort as a version of Xehanort. Now I think that it may be possible that after Xehanort's heartless's death Master Xehanort's heart has been restored and went back to his original body and perhaps while still holding a grasp on Terra's body, Terra-Xehanort could had been restored alongside MX.

Edited September 11, 2012 by geocenter

[Helios X 6]

devereauxr, on 09 September 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

 

Young Xehanort does not revive his other selves he puls them from the past from before they were destroyed. Also your theory about Master Xehanort's past body being revived via Young Xehanort isn't really plausible because he would still need his heart to be recompleted.

Read this it will answer your question

 

geocenter

 

Sorry for not answering. I've read what you said and it could be, but that would be so... dissapointing. I understand what you said that Xehanort's influence on Terra's heart could be such that he ended up looking like the old man. Then taking on someone else's body that is young to end up looking like an old man again after ten years, it would have been pointless. This statement can be countered by saying that the purpose of taking someone else's body is to prolong the years of your life, but...I don't know. I'm not sure about that.

That would also eliminate Terra-Xehanort as a version of Xehanort. Now I think that it may be possible that after Xehanort's heartless's death Master Xehanort's heart has been restored and went back to his original body and perhaps while still holding a grasp on Terra's body, Terra-Xehanort could have been restored alongside MX.

 

Oh wait know I get! Terra Xehanort becomes Mater Xehanort in 3d YX reclutes newly created Terra-Xehanort. K. But I disagree.

Edited September 11, 2012 by geocenter

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

I think Terranort is still out there, there was no point in Xehanort taking over Terra if he was going to go back to being his old self.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

devereauxr, on 09 September 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

 

Young Xehanort does not revive his other selves he puls them from the past from before they were destroyed. Also your theory about Master Xehanort's past body being revived via Young Xehanort isn't really plausible because he would still need his heart to be recompleted.

Read this it will answer your question

 

geocenter

 

Sorry for not answering. I've read what you said and it could be, but that would be so... dissapointing. I understand what you said that Xehanort's influence on Terra's heart could be such that he ended up looking like the old man. Then taking on someone else's body that is young to end up looking like an old man again after ten years, it would have been pointless. This statement can be countered by saying that the purpose of taking someone else's body is to prolong the years of your life, but...I don't know. I'm not sure about that.

That would also eliminate Terra-Xehanort as a version of Xehanort. Now I think that it may be possible that after Xehanort's heartless's death Master Xehanort's heart has been restored and went back to his original body and perhaps while still holding a grasp on Terra's body, Terra-Xehanort could have been restored alongside MX.

 

Oh wait know I get! Terra Xehanort becomes Mater Xehanort in 3d YX reclutes newly created Terra-Xehanort. K. But I disagree.

 

Well not necessarily he still has the strength and power and longevity of the younger body so it's not completely useless. Also the without Master Xehanort's heart having some claim to Terra's body he can not control it. Also Master Xehanort completely abandoned his body so his heart would have no body to go back to.

As far Terra-nort being a possible version amongst the 13 darknesses they coud always pull Terra-nort from bbs's time line as well.

[Farrac 27]

Well, this sure is an interesting topic to discuss. But I dont think we are gonna get anywhere. So, for now, I have two solutions:

 

1-Plothole.

2-KH3 will have the answer.

 

The best thing we can do is wait.

[Helios X 6]

For those of you who debated on this topic, you may no longer be interested. However, after reading the KH 3D ultimania i was lead to believe that Master Xehanort was resurrected via Xehanort's Heartless giving Master Xehanort's powers to his younger self and not as a direct consequence of Ansem and Xemnas destruction. It could have been, since Young Xehanort is MX himself but younger, that this gave YX the ability to reconstruct MX. I've also heard that YX was harboring MX consciousness and by extent his powers so MX could have been in control of the situation the whole time. Perhaps YX was waiting for the right time to make his older version reappear in TWTNW once everything was set. As some of you should already know by the ultimania, some of the members of the 13 seekers of darkness had transcended time, again via YX. Even though Ans and Xmn had been destroyed, they formed personalities and goals of their own as separate beings. This could have been used to bring them back. And at the same time since the Heartless and Nobody counter parts of Terra-Xehanort had been destroyed, he could have been restored. Nomura said that Xehanort and Xigbar aswell as other members from the first organization could have been picked up from their places before the others woke up. So that version of Xehanort was probably among their ranks. On a side note Xigbar and Saix are whole again but retained their Nobody names because they have been, how you say "nortified". That was the purpose of renaming the org members in the first place.

 

-Sorry for all ways making long paragraphs when sharing ideas.

 

-You may have come to the same conclusion on your own.

Edited October 3, 2012 by geocenter

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

For those who debated on this topic, you may no longer be interested. However, after reading the KH 3D ultimania i was lead to believe that Master Xehanort was resurrected via Xehanort's Heartless giving Master Xehanort's powers to his younger self and not as a direct consequence of Ansem and Xemnas destruction. It could have been, since Young Xehanort is MX himself but younger, that this gave YX the ability to reconstruct MX. I've also heard that YX was harboring MX consciousness and by extent his powers so MX could have been in control of the situation the whole time. Perhaps YX was waiting for the right time to make his older version reappear in TWTNW once everything was set. As some of you should already know by the ultimania some of the members of the 13 seekers of darkness had transcended time, again via YX. Even though Ans and Xmn had been destroyed, they formed personalities of their own and goals as separate beings. This could have been used to bring them back. And at the same time since the Heartless and Nobody counter parts of Terra-Xehanort had been destroyed, he could have been restored. Nomura said that Xehanort and Xigbar aswell as other members could have been picked up from their places before the others woke up.

 

-Sorry for all ways making long paragraphs when sharing ideas.

 

-You may have come to the same conclusion on your own.

 

The only problem with this is Master Xehanort stated himself that he had returned as a whole person.

[Helios X 6]

The only problem with this is Master Xehanort stated himself that he had returned as a whole person.

 

So how dose my explanation affect that MX is a whole person?

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

 

So how dose my explanation affect that MX is a whole person?

 

Because the language that both Young Xehanort and Old Xehanort used suggest that he was the revived in the present, hence why Young Xehanort referred to him as his most future self. Also saying "I would return here as whole person" suggests that he had previously been incomplete and we know for a fact that MX was only split during his time as Terranort, therefore logic would dictate that MX is indeed from the present and not the past. Also MX did not transfer his consiousness into YX until Mickey appeared and stopped time which is why YX was able to summon MX keyblade at that moment when he hadn't been able to use one previously.

[Demyx. 10,064]

When Master Xehanort is forming Young Xehanort says something like his most recent form will be here soon. or something to that effect. Who knows what happend to Terra's heart. Most likey Master Xehanorts heart won the battle...For now.

[Helios X 6]

Well, thank you devereauxr for sharing your point of view. After thinking about it I have taken your idea into consideration. Similar to how Ansem SoD did to Riku's body to reshape it into something that resembles himself, Master Xehanort could have engulf Terra's heart or cast it away and could have taken his body and reshape it into his image. He would still have the fortitude and resistence of Terra's body but his essence would still be the same. But i'll still be open to other ideas nevertheless.

 

This is a little off topic but do you think that Terra could use Master Eraqus's body meanwhile to come back?

Edited October 6, 2012 by geocenter

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Well, thank you devaraux for sharing your point of view. After thinking about it I have taken your idea into consideration. Similar to how Ansem SoD did to Riku's body to reshape it into something that resembles himself. Master Xehanort could have, like you say, engulf Terra's heart or cast it away and could have taken his body and reshape it into his image. He would still have the fortitude and resistence of Terra's body but his essence would still be the same. But i'll still be open to other ideas nevertheless.

 

This is a little off topic but do you think that Terra could use Master Eraqus's body meanwhile to come back?

 

Probably not Eraqus body was destroyed when he was killed and his heart went into Terra.