Roxas = Ventus nobody idea ELABORATION

[CloakedSchemerX 1,011]

I know this idea, has been floating around for AGES, but as I see it, few can elaborate it in as much detail as I can. So...*ahem* here goes.

 

FIRST OF ALL, In the BBS scene, Where The Heart Goes ending, it shows Riku and Sora in a little scene then the credits. The CREDITS, thats not important, but its the problem. The credits take an unnecessary amount of time to go through. For those patient enough, there will be ANOTHER scene after the credits, unaccessable through 'Skip Scene' on the credits. It shows Ventus' heart going within Sora.

Now to KH1, at the beginning of the game, (this doesn't neccessarily matter) I believe it is Ventus whom talks to Sora during his Deep Dive event. Anyways, We all saw Sora's heart being taken out, creating Roxas. As the 'idea' part, was it REALLY Sora's heart being taken? It could have easily been Ventus' heart. Also, with a heart still residing within Sora (his own heart.) it would somewhat explain how easily Sora was able to revert to himself from a Heartless.

Now to KH2, Ventus looks very similar to Roxas, blah blah blah. (Just for kicks, ill mention that Xigbar mentioned Terra, Aqua, and Ventus before his fight). Anyways, there is very little to do with Ventus in KH2, honestly, providing i'm not forgetting anything. Rewind to 358 though, there is a scene (NOT a cutscene, but one of those where you read the dialogue.) where Xigar looks at Xion and sees Ventus. This could very well be a reaction from Ven's heart, seeing a resemblance of Braig, who antagonized him during the end of BBS. Also, when Roxas enters Castle Oblivion, he eventually goes to a coma because 'he was too close to his somebody.' This, normally, would counter the idea because it was SORA at Castle Oblivion, yet, Ventus was also there, so it doesn't.

(THIS SECTION IS GOING ON TO SORA RATHER THAN ROXAS, MY MIND JUST WANDERED)

In KH2, Roxas joins back with Sora, likely bringing Ven's heart with him, which is why in KH3D, Ven's heart is with him. At La cite Des Cloches, Sora encounters Young Xehanort, who's older form antagonized Ventus as well. Ventus' heart reacted to the encounter, showing Vanitas for about 2 seconds.

 

I can almost GUARANTEE I forgot things, so i will edit when they pop up in my head.

[DG20 67]

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:24 AM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

I know this idea, has been floating around for AGES, but as I see it, few can elaborate it in as much detail as I can. So...*ahem* here goes.

 

FIRST OF ALL, In the BBS scene, Where The Heart Goes ending, it shows Riku and Sora in a little scene then the credits. The CREDITS, thats not important, but its the problem. The credits take an unnecessary amount of time to go through. For those patient enough, there will be ANOTHER scene after the credits, unaccessable through 'Skip Scene' on the credits. It shows Ventus' heart going within Sora.

 

Now to KH1, at the beginning of the game, (this doesn't neccessarily matter) I believe it is Ventus whom talks to Sora during his Deep Dive event. Anyways, We all saw Sora's heart being taken out, creating Roxas. As the 'idea' part, was it REALLY Sora's heart being taken? It could have easily been Ventus' heart. Also, with a heart still residing within Sora (his own heart.) it would somewhat explain how easily Sora was able to revert to himself from a Heartless.

 

Now to KH2, Ventus looks very similar to Roxas, blah blah blah. (Just for kicks, ill mention that Xigbar mentioned Terra, Aqua, and Ventus before his fight). Anyways, there is very little to do with Ventus in KH2, honestly, providing i'm not forgetting anything. Rewind to 358 though, there is a scene (NOT a cutscene, but one of those where you read the dialogue.) where Xigbar looks at Xion and sees Ventus. This could very well be a reaction from Ven's heart, seeing a resemblance of Braig, who antagonized him during the end of BBS. Also, when Roxas enters Castle Oblivion, he eventually goes to a coma because 'he was too close to his somebody.' This, normally, would counter the idea because it was SORA at Castle Oblivion, yet, Ventus was also there, so it doesn't.

(THIS SECTION IS GOING ON TO SORA RATHER THAN ROXAS, MY MIND JUST WANDERED)

In KH2, Roxas joins back with Sora, likely bringing Ven's heart with him, which is why in KH3D, Ven's heart is with him. At La cite Des Cloches, Sora encounters Young Xehanort, who's older form antagonized Ventus as well. Ventus' heart reacted to the encounter, showing Vanitas for about 2 seconds.

 

I can almost GUARANTEE I forgot things, so i will edit when they pop up in my head.

 

First paragraph. Yes, not being able to skip the ending credits was annoying. Second paragraph: I would have loved it if the mysterious voice was Ven or Kingdom Hearts or something mysterious but it's been confirmed to be Mickey unless Nomura retcons it. Also, Sora may have kept his heart since he vaguely had a sense of self. Third paragraph: Roxas has been described as half Sora half Ventus...which is really really confusing.

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:24 AM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

I know this idea, has been floating around for AGES, but as I see it, few can elaborate it in as much detail as I can. So...*ahem* here goes.

 

FIRST OF ALL, In the BBS scene, Where The Heart Goes ending, it shows Riku and Sora in a little scene then the credits. The CREDITS, thats not important, but its the problem. The credits take an unnecessary amount of time to go through. For those patient enough, there will be ANOTHER scene after the credits, unaccessable through 'Skip Scene' on the credits. It shows Ventus' heart going within Sora.

Now to KH1, at the beginning of the game, (this doesn't neccessarily matter) I believe it is Ventus whom talks to Sora during his Deep Dive event. Anyways, We all saw Sora's heart being taken out, creating Roxas. As the 'idea' part, was it REALLY Sora's heart being taken? It could have easily been Ventus' heart. Also, with a heart still residing within Sora (his own heart.) it would somewhat explain how easily Sora was able to revert to himself from a Heartless.

Now to KH2, Ventus looks very similar to Roxas, blah blah blah. (Just for kicks, ill mention that Xigbar mentioned Terra, Aqua, and Ventus before his fight). Anyways, there is very little to do with Ventus in KH2, honestly, providing i'm not forgetting anything. Rewind to 358 though, there is a scene (NOT a cutscene, but one of those where you read the dialogue.) where Xigar looks at Xion and sees Ventus. This could very well be a reaction from Ven's heart, seeing a resemblance of Braig, who antagonized him during the end of BBS. Also, when Roxas enters Castle Oblivion, he eventually goes to a coma because 'he was too close to his somebody.' This, normally, would counter the idea because it was SORA at Castle Oblivion, yet, Ventus was also there, so it doesn't.

(THIS SECTION IS GOING ON TO SORA RATHER THAN ROXAS, MY MIND JUST WANDERED)

In KH2, Roxas joins back with Sora, likely bringing Ven's heart with him, which is why in KH3D, Ven's heart is with him. At La cite Des Cloches, Sora encounters Young Xehanort, who's older form antagonized Ventus as well. Ventus' heart reacted to the encounter, showing Vanitas for about 2 seconds.

 

I can almost GUARANTEE I forgot things, so i will edit when they pop up in my head.

 

The problem here is simple, theoretically each body has one heart in it. A Nobody doesn't have a heart because part of that heart (the Darkness in it specifically) turned into a heartless

When Sora released his heart(s) he had (as far as we know) 3 hearts in him, Kairi's, Ventus', and his own. Kairi's heart for some ineffable reason went to Castle Oblivion and started to form Kairi as a Nobody but stopped when it realized its body was still around, and since it had no darkness to turn into a heartless it could return to Kairi complete. Therefore Namine looks similar to but not entirely like Kairi. Ventus' heart headed for Twilight Town, since it too was a heart of pure light and wasn't going to turn into a heartless. Since it couldn't return to Ventus since it was asleep it formed Roxas, looking exactly like Ventus, presumably altering Sora's body. Sora's heart released and turned into a Heartless, but for a somewhat vague reason retained all sense of self, and a great immunity to Donald's attacks (that's not fair. EVERYTHING has great immunity to Donald's attacks. The duck would be more useful as a meal then a mage). Since Princess of Heart hugs cure Heartless his heart was freed and he returned to normal like everyone else did in 3Ds. But Roxas and Namine remained, one a Nobody with even less existence than most, the other a Nobody born with a heart.

[Henne 150]

  On 9/8/2012 at 10:05 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

and started to form Kairi as a Nobody but stopped when it realized its body was still around, and since it had no darkness to turn into a heartless it could return to Kairi complete. Therefore Namine looks similar to but not entirely like Kairi.

 

Naminé is blonde... could it be because of Ven?

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

  On 9/8/2012 at 11:18 AM, 'Henne' said:

Naminé is blonde... could it be because of Ven?

 

I think it's just how faint she is, in CoM she seems really faint and whispy. She seems less blonde there than nearly white-haired.

In KHII and Days she seems more present, which i like to think of signs of her becoming her own person with a heart, instead of just an echo of a shell of Kairi.

[Caity 3,946]

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:53 AM, 'DG20' said:

First paragraph. Yes, not being able to skip the ending credits was annoying. Second paragraph: I would have loved it if the mysterious voice was Ven or Kingdom Hearts or something mysterious but it's been confirmed to be Mickey unless Nomura retcons it. Also, Sora may have kept his heart since he vaguely had a sense of self. Third paragraph: Roxas has been described as half Sora half Ventus...which is really really confusing.

 

It's not really confusing when you think Xemnas and Xehanort were half Terra, half Master Xehanort

 

  On 9/8/2012 at 11:18 AM, 'Henne' said:

Naminé is blonde... could it be because of Ven?

 

I thought her colouring was due to her being a Nobody of a princess of heart (with her lightness, light skin, light eyes, light hair, light dress)

She looks like an Angel, which is fitting to a Princess of Heart.

 

EDIT: Red bits.

Edited September 8, 2012 by Caity Raindrop

[CloakedSchemerX 1,011]

  On 9/8/2012 at 10:05 AM, 'Gambler'sApprentice' said:

The problem here is simple, theoretically each body has one heart in it. A Nobody doesn't have a heart because part of that heart (the Darkness in it specifically) turned into a heartless

When Sora released his heart(s) he had (as far as we know) 3 hearts in him, Kairi's, Ventus', and his own. Kairi's heart for some ineffable reason went to Castle Oblivion and started to form Kairi as a Nobody but stopped when it realized its body was still around, and since it had no darkness to turn into a heartless it could return to Kairi complete. Therefore Namine looks similar to but not entirely like Kairi. Ventus' heart headed for Twilight Town, since it too was a heart of pure light and wasn't going to turn into a heartless. Since it couldn't return to Ventus since it was asleep it formed Roxas, looking exactly like Ventus, presumably altering Sora's body. Sora's heart released and turned into a Heartless, but for a somewhat vague reason retained all sense of self, and a great immunity to Donald's attacks (that's not fair. EVERYTHING has great immunity to Donald's attacks. The duck would be more useful as a meal then a mage). Since Princess of Heart hugs cure Heartless his heart was freed and he returned to normal like everyone else did in 3Ds. But Roxas and Namine remained, one a Nobody with even less existence than most, the other a Nobody born with a heart.

 

I honestly get confused with Namine. >_< But anyways, *********DDD SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*********Nobodies DO have hearts. Xemnas clearly stated that a heart is never gone for good, and that he lied to the first Organization XIII about their hearts, planning to make them into the big ol' Organization XIII of 'norts. As for Namine, Kairi was a princess of heart, and having absolutely NO darkness within her heart, a heartless failed to be made. I'd agree on Ventus, and for Sora, yes there were those 3. For Sora's OWN heart, I believe it went straight, smack dab inside Kairi. Once Kairi hugged him, his heart must've found out that was his body....ish. I really doubt the Princess Hug! power thing, but its a game, so anyone can bee right in the end.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:24 AM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

I know this idea, has been floating around for AGES, but as I see it, few can elaborate it in as much detail as I can. So...*ahem* here goes.

 

FIRST OF ALL, In the BBS scene, Where The Heart Goes ending, it shows Riku and Sora in a little scene then the credits. The CREDITS, thats not important, but its the problem. The credits take an unnecessary amount of time to go through. For those patient enough, there will be ANOTHER scene after the credits, unaccessable through 'Skip Scene' on the credits. It shows Ventus' heart going within Sora.

Now to KH1, at the beginning of the game, (this doesn't neccessarily matter) I believe it is Ventus whom talks to Sora during his Deep Dive event.

 

No it was mickey who was talking to him in kh1

Mysterious Voice

 

It’s the King calling to Sora here. In the Dive To Heart, the King guides Sora through his dream, explaining the intentions of the adventure.

 

When Sora acquires the Keyblade for the first time after this and just before passing through the last door of The End of The World , Sora hears a voice reverberate in him that sounds like the King’s. It seems so that those around him understand without hearing, the King speaks to Sora’s heart directly

 

 

 

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:24 AM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

Anyways, We all saw Sora's heart being taken out, creating Roxas. As the 'idea' part, was it REALLY Sora's heart being taken? It could have easily been Ventus' heart. Also, with a heart still residing within Sora (his own heart.) it would somewhat explain how easily Sora was able to revert to himself from a Heartless.

 

Umm Sora's the heart was the one that was released that's how he became a heartless in the first place, Ventus's heart stayed within Sora's physical body aka Roxas. Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

 

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

http://www.gamefaqs....57971099?page=2

 

Sora wasn't even able to fully restore but Kairi was able to use her abilities as a Princess of Heart to create shell for him from that moment until he rejoins with Roxas, Sora was a walking heart.

 

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:24 AM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

Now to KH2, Ventus looks very similar to Roxas, blah blah blah. (Just for kicks, ill mention that Xigbar mentioned Terra, Aqua, and Ventus before his fight). Anyways, there is very little to do with Ventus in KH2, honestly, providing i'm not forgetting anything. Rewind to 358 though, there is a scene (NOT a cutscene, but one of those where you read the dialogue.) where Xigar looks at Xion and sees Ventus. This could very well be a reaction from Ven's heart, seeing a resemblance of Braig, who antagonized him during the end of BBS.

 

Xion can look like different to anyone who views her according to their relationship with sora. Both Xemnas,Xigbar, and Axel saw Xion as Ventus because they all had interacted with ventus in the past.

Xion’s appearance changes depending on the relationship of the person looking at her. It seems that when that relationship changes, she changes.

 

Nomura: The figure Roxas sees is the same as what the player sees, but for example, when Xigbar and Saix see her, her figure is different. At first some people thought it was unnatural she would be wearing a hood and then not in the same scene, but I think you come to understand it as you advance through the game. People connected with a certain person see Xion as ‘Xion’. In the case of Xemnas, since he is connected to various people, he basically sees ‘Xion’, however sometimes he sees ‘him’. Who ‘he’ is, I want you to confirm it on your own. Xigbar also sees ‘him’.

 

 

 

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:24 AM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

Also, when Roxas enters Castle Oblivion, he eventually goes to a coma because 'he was too close to his somebody.' This, normally, would counter the idea because it was SORA at Castle Oblivion, yet, Ventus was also there, so it doesn't.

I don't really get the point of this but Roxas falling into a coma was due to a combination Sora's body being so close to his heart, and Ven's heart being so close to his body.

Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

 

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint.

 

 

 

  On 9/8/2012 at 6:24 AM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

In KH2, Roxas joins back with Sora, likely bringing Ven's heart with him, which is why in KH3D, Ven's heart is with him. At La cite Des Cloches, Sora encounters Young Xehanort, who's older form antagonized Ventus as well. Ventus' heart reacted to the encounter, showing Vanitas for about 2 seconds.

 

I can almost GUARANTEE I forgot things, so i will edit when they pop up in my head.

 

Again this really doesn't contribute to your point which I really can't even figure out

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

  On 9/8/2012 at 4:19 PM, 'CloakedSchemerX' said:

I honestly get confused with Namine. >_< But anyways, *********DDD SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*********Nobodies DO have hearts. Xemnas clearly stated that a heart is never gone for good, and that he lied to the first Organization XIII about their hearts, planning to make them into the big ol' Organization XIII of 'norts. As for Namine, Kairi was a princess of heart, and having absolutely NO darkness within her heart, a heartless failed to be made. I'd agree on Ventus, and for Sora, yes there were those 3. For Sora's OWN heart, I believe it went straight, smack dab inside Kairi. Once Kairi hugged him, his heart must've found out that was his body....ish. I really doubt the Princess Hug! power thing, but its a game, so anyone can bee right in the end.

 

Let me clarify, when a Nobody is first formed they have no heart. Except for Roxas. so while the others grew hearts to balance out thier lack of a heart Roxsa grew a heart because he didn't have a heart of his own. That's a little confusing, but I don't know how to put it more clearly.