Smithee 327 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) "Revenge is a dish best served cold." -- Khan (Star Trek II) Is it possible that MX's post-BBS actions have all been according to an even bigger plan by Terra for revenge against both MX and the Darkness? Edited September 3, 2012 by Alan Smithee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replika13 455 Posted September 3, 2012 well im sure Terra wants some payback Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic KH Fan_13 64 Posted September 3, 2012 I....think it is... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted September 3, 2012 If your suggesting that all MX's actions after BBS have been influenced by Terra I doubt it. If this were the case there would be some strong indications that Terra's heart was still fighting from within at the very least he'd still have the appearance of Terranort. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zola 3,038 Posted September 3, 2012 Revenge wouldn't make Terra a keyblade master, which is his lifelong aspiration, so I don't think he'll follow that path. I'll laugh my face off if there's a "KKKHHHHAAAAAAAANNNNN!" moment, though. 1 Dave reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) If your suggesting that all MX's actions after BBS have been influenced by Terra I doubt it. If this were the case there would be some strong indications that Terra's heart was still fighting from within at the very least he'd still have the appearance of Terranort. I'm suggesting that MX is playing right into a trap set by Terra, who is just biding his time until KH3. Edited September 3, 2012 by Alan Smithee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted September 3, 2012 I'm suggesting that MX is playing right into a trap set by Terra, who may just be biding his time. Well Terra is really not in a great position to be setting traps but I suppose it's possible. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) Well Terra is really not in a great position to be setting traps but I suppose it's possible. "Biding his time" most likely includes deceiving MX into a sense of complete control over Terra. See Choji Suitengu for an example of what I'm talking about. Edited September 3, 2012 by Alan Smithee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted September 3, 2012 The "biding his time" aspect would most likely include deceiving MX into thinking he has complete control over Terra. See Choji Suitengu for an example of what I'm talking about. Only problem with that is the appearance of MX in ddd suggests that MX has completely engulfed what's left of Terra. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted September 3, 2012 I think that would be awesome if it happened but due to MX 's heart holding the power position in Terras body it would seem more unlikely. Unless you are saying Terras submitting to give MX the idea hes won on purpose ? Which I think you are . I wouldnt call it revenge ,just "setting things right " and putting a stop to Xehanort . I do think Terra will do something at the end to help screw over Xehanorts plan .How he does it we shall see .. 1 luka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) *EDIT* Edited September 3, 2012 by Alan Smithee 1 Pyrrha Nikos reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) And Blank Points suggests that Eraqus's presence in Terra prevents MX from doing just that. Yeah but we don't know how much pull Eraqus heart has in the stake for helping out. The heart shapes the vessel and when Master Xehanort returned, he took the appearance of the old man. Meaning that either Terra's heart was completely engulfed by MX's or it was released all together. Seeing as MX directly referred to Terra as still being under his control the first choice seems the most likely. Edited September 3, 2012 by devereauxr 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 3, 2012 Yeah but we don't know how much pull Eraqus heart has in the stake for helping out. The heart shapes the vessel and when Master Xehanort returned, he took the appearance of the old man. Meaning that either Terra's heart was completely engulfed by MX's or it was released all together. Seeing as MX directly referred to Terra as still being under his control the first choice seems the most likely. I actually didn't mean to post that. Right before I clicked "Post", I reconsidered, but couldn't stop my finger fast enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted September 3, 2012 I actually didn't mean to post that. Right before I clicked "Post", I reconsidered, but couldn't stop my finger fast enough. Ok I guess lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I think that would be awesome if it happened but due to MX 's heart holding the power position in Terras body it would seem more unlikely. Unless you are saying Terras submitting to give MX the idea hes won on purpose ? Which I think you are . I wouldnt call it revenge ,just "setting things right " and putting a stop to Xehanort . I do think Terra will do something at the end to help screw over Xehanorts plan .How he does it we shall see .. That's exactly what I'm suggesting: Terra submitted to MX on purpose as part of a Batman Gambit for a Break The Haughty-type of revenge come KH3. Edited September 5, 2012 by Alan Smithee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambler'sApprentice 131 Posted September 5, 2012 Terra is an extremely capable warrior, and I have no doubt he deserves the title Keyblade master. But he doesn't have the mental strength to come up with an intricate web of revenge, and even if he did Master Xehanort has shown an ability to have almost every situation covered, if he felt Terra a threat I'm sure he'd take over a new body and eliminate the threat. The best that Terra can do is survive and observe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caity 3,946 Posted September 5, 2012 I don't think he really wants revenge per say, just to destroy him (total difference right?) I see it more as retribution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Terra is an extremely capable warrior, and I have no doubt he deserves the title Keyblade master. But he doesn't have the mental strength to come up with an intricate web of revenge, and even if he did Master Xehanort has shown an ability to have almost every situation covered, if he felt Terra a threat I'm sure he'd take over a new body and eliminate the threat. The best that Terra can do is survive and observe. Terra's had over a decade to improve his mental strength. Plus he has Eraqus's Heart inside him, which likely gives him additional insight. Edited September 5, 2012 by Alan Smithee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CJ Smith 123 Posted September 5, 2012 I think at the last moment Terra will break MXs hold and do what he said at the end of BBS, I will soon make everything right or something to that effect Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambler'sApprentice 131 Posted September 5, 2012 Terra's had over a decade to improve his mental strength. Plus he has Eraqus's Heart inside him, which likely gives him additional insight. Insight yes, but really none of the characters seem to have a grasp for Xehanort's plannin potential. Yen Sid (who seems to be the brains of the Keyblade group) was basically shocked throughout all of 3Ds as to Xhanort's scheming. I figure Terra can bring in information as to everything Xehanort has been up to, and what his plans are if he's freed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Insight yes, but really none of the characters seem to have a grasp for Xehanort's plannin potential. Yen Sid (who seems to be the brains of the Keyblade group) was basically shocked throughout all of 3Ds as to Xhanort's scheming. I figure Terra can bring in information as to everything Xehanort has been up to, and what his plans are if he's freed. In the words of a semi-acquaintance of mine: Did you not hear what Terra told MX, "Even if you do wrestle my heart from me. Even if you cast me into the darkest abyss. You'll never sway me from the one cause that keeps me fighting. Whatever the cost i'm willing to pay it." In other words Terra knew MX would probably go to extreme lengths to carry out his plans, Terra knew it was a possibility that he could be put through years of terrible things MX could do to him (Like becoming a heartless and nobody), but that in the end he would stop MX. As Terra said, "You're going to get shown the door, old man." When dealing with someone like MX, sometimes you have to go to just as many extremes as he does, and to patiently wait just as MX does, in order to find a way to out smart and beat him. Terra is one of the 13 seekers of darkness right now. But by no means does that mean that Terra has lost to MX. I'm sure MX isn't the only one with backup plans in the works. Terra has Eraqus' heart inside of him, and therefore Eraqus' light. There is an escape route for Terra in all of this madness MX has done to his body and heart, but what that is remains to be seen. This type of planning isn't uncommon in stories. Mostly villains are known for this type of extensive deception, but heroes have done it as well. It's like a game of chess between MX and Terra, even if Terra isn't directly in control of himself, he would have had someway to ensure he could take control of himself again and force whatever remains of MX in him out. ---------------------------- Sometimes a hero has to play the bad guy, or allow the bad guy to use him or win a few times, to ensure the bad guy loses the war. I believe this is what we are seeing with Terra. Terra is not Aqua. Aqua has certain lines she is not willing to cross over, even if doing so would stop MX. Terra on the other hand is willing to cross certain lines if it means stopping MX in the end. When Terra said he would pay any price to stop MX, I think we all damn well take Terra literally. Nothing is off the table when it comes to what Terra will do to stop MX (Except for going after his friends of course, since that would defeat the whole purpose of what drives Terra to keep fighting MX) In KH3 i'm sure Terra is going to get his moment when he's freed of MX and probably has done something to really screw up MX's plan and MX is like, 'You mean you..." and Terra gives a slight victory smirk, "Yes, from the very begining." Edited September 5, 2012 by Alan Smithee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambler'sApprentice 131 Posted September 6, 2012 My favorite heroes are the ones who are capable of planning and setting traps for their enemies. But Terra isn't going to get the advantage on Master Xehanort when he has less experience, less knowledge, and less he can sacrafice. For Terra to win he has to protect his friends and stop Xehanort, for Xehanort to win he has to make a X-Blade. He can destroy all the worlds in his quest, and he'll still win, while Terra still has to have something left to protect. I have no doubt Terra will take advantage of any weakness he can find, or that he will do anything in his power to stop Xehanort, but still, he is a comparatively inexperienced youth who doesn't even have control over his body. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee 327 Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) My favorite heroes are the ones who are capable of planning and setting traps for their enemies. But Terra isn't going to get the advantage on Master Xehanort when he has less experience, less knowledge, and less he can sacrafice. For Terra to win he has to protect his friends and stop Xehanort, for Xehanort to win he has to make a X-Blade. He can destroy all the worlds in his quest, and he'll still win, while Terra still has to have something left to protect. I have no doubt Terra will take advantage of any weakness he can find, or that he will do anything in his power to stop Xehanort, but still, he is a comparatively inexperienced youth who doesn't even have control over his body. Who knows? Maybe being fused with Xehanort has allowed Terra to absorb some of his knowledge or something. Edited September 6, 2012 by Alan Smithee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites