KH3D Interesting thought ** spoilers **

[Demyx. 10,064]

I wonder if all 20 have to be fighting together for it to work. Because if thats the case they could solve the problem by each taking a princess to a septrate world and guarding them.

[kristi-swat 61]

I think the seven lights are only the princesses not guardians...they might be as many as we can

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I'm not "predicting it" at all. They both did exactly that in DDD. Mickey jumped Xemnas caught him, before Riku could even gasp out of shock Ansem then restricts him, it's not hard. Xehanort zipped behind Ven and froze him, YMX teleports in his boss fight (and leaves after images so he must move really fast) and can produce clones. Yes, they will meet there. Just like Vanitas in BBS said they should forge the X-blade in the Keyblade Graveyard, but like in BBS that doesn't mean they'll just wait there for all the game, they'll meddle in the affairs of worlds. Fine, not all the norts will meddle but MX isn't the only one of the organization who is from the present so they can still meddle with the worlds. Xehanort creates a plan where if it fails he still gains the upper hand. That's genius. His exploits in BBS didn't succeed but what came of that? Terra lost his heart and YMX got a new body, Ven is now in a 12 year coma and Aqua's in the RoD, so yeah. Sora then beats Ansem and Xemnas. Congrats you just brought back Master Xehanort. Let the X-blade forging begin! It's pretty genius to have a plan that heavily inconveniences the heroes no matter what happens. The game even goes as far as to call him a genius and arguably the greatest Keyblade master ever. 'Sides, since when were geniuses not allowed to fail? All the great minds of mankind have failures.

 

@devereauxr Ansem and Xemnas have their own minds and ideas, so we can't count those as Xehanort failing. As for DDD, until Xehanort is gone for good he hasn't completely failed yet.

 

Dev 's post after mine just pointed out what REALLY happened in the the Room Where Nothing Gathers .. They were going after Sora when they were grabbed and they were TWO surrounded by 12 .. Not 10 lights compared to 13 darknesses..And they still escaped from their grasp . Hell, the Guardian was foiled by DONALD AND GOOFY falling on him . Wow hes tough.. When they show up for the final battle they will ALL be present not just two ....So you cant say thats what will happen . Once again I will also point out MX DOESNT know about Kairi , Lea , OR about reviving Xion or Roxas .Plus they can also gather MORE help that doesnt have to be a wielder aka Donald , Goofy , the revived wronged apprentices and so forth . One of the biggest themes is the power of friendship so the gathering of ALL these people says something . Just like the montage at TWTNW with Xigbar showing all Soras friends standing behind him .

 

Furthermore you simply cant deny the CONSTANT failings left and right of MX and all his incarnations . THEY ALL COUNT AS HIM BC THEY ARE HIM . He has failed in every plan to form KH and take over in EVERY game hes been in in EVERY incarnation . WHY ? Because of his assumptions and miscalculations .Just like how he failed to implant Sora . He didnt think Riku would follow him to TWTNW . He didnt think MIckey or Donald or Goofy would show up . He sure as heck didnt see Lea showing up . He's the one who thought it would only take one light and one darkness in BBS to make the Xblade . He didnt foresee Aqua interfering or the Ven surviving. I can go on forever ... THats my point . He NEVER succeeds bc he DOESNT know everything . He even admits he doesnt even know what will happen next .Yet you think hes some all knowing onipresent GOD when hes proven failure by failure hes far from it . He has proven his plans have been foiled by UNFORESEEN events time and time again . Which is what im directly talking about .

 

I think the seven lights are only the princesses not guardians...they might be as many as we can

 

Nope He can use the 7 guardians just as much as he's using manufactured 13 darknesses . Read ALL The posts in this thread . Im not repeating myself again

Edited August 31, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I'm not "predicting it" at all. They both did exactly that in DDD. Mickey jumped Xemnas caught him, before Riku could even gasp out of shock Ansem then restricts him, it's not hard. Xehanort zipped behind Ven and froze him, YMX teleports in his boss fight (and leaves after images so he must move really fast) and can produce clones. Yes, they will meet there. Just like Vanitas in BBS said they should forge the X-blade in the Keyblade Graveyard, but like in BBS that doesn't mean they'll just wait there for all the game, they'll meddle in the affairs of worlds. Fine, not all the norts will meddle but MX isn't the only one of the organization who is from the present so they can still meddle with the worlds. Xehanort creates a plan where if it fails he still gains the upper hand. That's genius. His exploits in BBS didn't succeed but what came of that? Terra lost his heart and YMX got a new body, Ven is now in a 12 year coma and Aqua's in the RoD, so yeah. Sora then beats Ansem and Xemnas. Congrats you just brought back Master Xehanort. Let the X-blade forging begin! It's pretty genius to have a plan that heavily inconveniences the heroes no matter what happens. The game even goes as far as to call him a genius and arguably the greatest Keyblade master ever. 'Sides, since when were geniuses not allowed to fail? All the great minds of mankind have failures.

 

@devereauxr Ansem and Xemnas have their own minds and ideas, so we can't count those as Xehanort failing. As for DDD, until Xehanort is gone for good he hasn't completely failed yet.

 

No DDD showed they were all going by the same plan, regardless wether they had their own ideas and minds they still were following MX's ultimate goal. I don't know see how after my lengthy explanation that's the only thing you could come up to refute it.

Also how is it genius to have plans that fail not once or twice but every time that makes no sense what so ever. MX may have got a new body but he still had to struggle against Terra to get full control of it, Ven's fate served the lights side far better then Master Xehanort by giving Roxas and Sora the ability to duel wield, as for aqua even her last act of making castle oblivion inconvienced Xemnas. As for Master Xehanort being revived that's not that much of deal because this time when he's destroyed there is no reviving him. It seems to me MX's plans have inconvienced himself far more then it has inconvienced the lights because Xehanort himself thinks in absolutes. He makes his plans according to A-B and C he fails to recognize all the variables in the equation, he believes everyone will act the way he wants. Ingnoring the fact that people have free will has proven to be his fatal flaw and has led to his defeat in every intsance. A true genius would consider all the variables and take appropiate measures to ensure they don't happen to his original plan.

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

No DDD showed they were all going by the same plan, regardless wether they had their own ideas and minds they still were following MX's ultimate goal. I don't know see how after my lengthy explanation that's the only thing you could come up to refute it

 

Apologies, I missed your post earlier and only saw the part FlamingLea quoted.

 

And guys, I'm off for a couple hours so I won't reply for a while.

Edited August 31, 2012 by Winner's Proof

[kristi-swat 61]

Dev 's post after mine just pointed out what REALLY happened in the the Room Where Nothing Gathers .. They were going after Sora when they were grabbed and they were TWO surrounded by 12 .. Not 10 lights compared to 13 darknesses..And they still escaped from their grasp . Hell, the Guardian was foiled by DONALD AND GOOFY falling on him . Wow hes tough.. When they show up for the final battle they will ALL be present not just two ....So you cant say thats what will happen . Once again I will also point out MX DOESNT know about Kairi , Lea , OR about reviving Xion or Roxas .Plus they can also gather MORE help that doesnt have to be a wielder aka Donald , Goofy , the revived wronged apprentices and so forth . One of the biggest themes is the power of friendship so the gathering of ALL these people says something . Just like the montage at TWTNW with Xigbar showing all Soras friends standing behind him .

 

Furthermore you simply cant deny the CONSTANT failings left and right of MX and all his incarnations . THEY ALL COUNT AS HIM BC THEY ARE HIM . He has failed in every plan to form KH and take over in EVERY game hes been in in EVERY incarnation . WHY ? Because of his assumptions and miscalculations .Just like how he failed to implant Sora . He didnt think Riku would follow him to TWTNW . He didnt think MIckey or Donald or Goofy would show up . He sure as heck didnt see Lea showing up . He's the one who thought it would only take one light and one darkness in BBS to make the Xblade . He didnt foresee Aqua interfering or the Ven surviving. I can go on forever ... THats my point . He NEVER succeeds bc he DOESNT know everything . He even admits he doesnt even know what will happen next .Yet you think hes some all knowing onipresent GOD when hes proven failure by failure hes far from it . He has proven his plans have been foiled by UNFORESEEN events time and time again . Which is what im directly talking about .

 

 

 

Nope He can use the 7 guardians just as much as he's using manufactured 13 darknesses . Read ALL The posts in this thread . Im not repeating myself again

 

are you kidding me? ...the posts are like one mile long

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I'm not "predicting it" at all. They both did exactly that in DDD. Mickey jumped Xemnas caught him, before Riku could even gasp out of shock Ansem then restricts him, it's not hard. Xehanort zipped behind Ven and froze him, YMX teleports in his boss fight (and leaves after images so he must move really fast) and can produce clones. Yes, they will meet there. Just like Vanitas in BBS said they should forge the X-blade in the Keyblade Graveyard, but like in BBS that doesn't mean they'll just wait there for all the game, they'll meddle in the affairs of worlds. Fine, not all the norts will meddle but MX isn't the only one of the organization who is from the present so they can still meddle with the worlds. Xehanort creates a plan where if it fails he still gains the upper hand. That's genius. His exploits in BBS didn't succeed but what came of that? Terra lost his heart and YMX got a new body, Ven is now in a 12 year coma and Aqua's in the RoD, so yeah. Sora then beats Ansem and Xemnas. Congrats you just brought back Master Xehanort. Let the X-blade forging begin! It's pretty genius to have a plan that heavily inconveniences the heroes no matter what happens. The game even goes as far as to call him a genius and arguably the greatest Keyblade master ever. 'Sides, since when were geniuses not allowed to fail? All the great minds of mankind have failures.

 

 

 

What's stopping them from being "distracted" yet again when the time for the showdown comes. (And really you're in a room full of Xehanorts. If you wanna run and pay no attention to your surroundings then bravo!) And be it 10 lights or the intended 7 that show up there's still more darknesses. Heck MX was distracted by Terra and yet still flashed behind him froze Ven when Ven tried a sneak attack. The darknesses couldn't do anything about it because they were being pulled from time. Next time it will be different. It may work or not, but it will be different.

 

I'm not claiming they have all this power or are invincible or flawless like you and FlamingLea seem to be implying I am, I'm just saying restricting someone is hardly a difficult task so they can do it. And that guardian example is hardly a good one. The guardian isn't even a darkness. The darknesses are powerful you have to at least admit to that.

 

Yes half. Not all. Half. And I could just as well ask my friend to meet me at the park next week at 5. It doesn't mean we won't see each other at all till then. And really, you're assuming that unless Xehanort has exactly 7 then he's automatically lost just for that. Until KH3 we don't know how it plays out if we bring more than he wants, if he uses the princesses or anything. We don't even know how the X-blade will be forged. Will the hearts of the 7 and 13 fuse or will it just manifest itself? Until we know how it will be forged to say bringing more than 7 will ruin his plans is practically a baseless assumption.

 

 

Apologies dev, I hadn't seen your post before so I'm just replying now.

 

 

 

When Riku walked in to that room he didnt know he was walking into 12 norts . And you are fabricating what you think they will do . YOU ARE assuming . My theory isnt a baseless assumption . Its based on knowing what happened in BBS when the formula was wrong and then asking what would happen if this scenario happened . There is NO assumptions made by ME .. But you keep coming back with ASSUMPTIONS how YOU think the Norts will handle it . You arent MX so you cant say what they will do if this happens . They all SAT there in their seats and did NOTHING but send ISA to stop Lea .. No one else did SHIT . And they outnumbered the the good guys and still failed to do nothing . . If anyone is making assumptions its YOU . I presented a very plausible scenario and you are fabricating your assumptions of what will happen then tell ME im assuming when i simply asked what would happen and stated why I thought this was plausible . You are the one assuming what MX will do including saying you think they are roaming around the worlds doing whatever . Thats pretty baseless in itself .

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

What's stopping them from being "distracted" yet again when the time for the showdown comes. (And really you're in a room full of Xehanorts. If you wanna run and pay no attention to your surroundings then bravo!) And be it 10 lights or the intended 7 that show up there's still more darknesses. Heck MX was distracted by Terra and yet still flashed behind him froze Ven when Ven tried a sneak attack. The darknesses couldn't do anything about it because they were being pulled from time. Next time it will be different. It may work or not, but it will be different.

 

I'm not claiming they have all this power or are invincible or flawless like you and FlamingLea seem to be implying I am, I'm just saying restricting someone is hardly a difficult task so they can do it. And that guardian example is hardly a good one. The guardian isn't even a darkness. The darknesses are powerful you have to at least admit to that.

 

Yes half. Not all. Half. And I could just as well ask my friend to meet me at the park next week at 5. It doesn't mean we won't see each other at all till then. And really, you're assuming that unless Xehanort has exactly 7 then he's automatically lost just for that. Until KH3 we don't know how it plays out if we bring more than he wants, if he uses the princesses or anything. We don't even know how the X-blade will be forged. Will the hearts of the 7 and 13 fuse or will it just manifest itself? Until we know how it will be forged to say bringing more than 7 will ruin his plans is practically a baseless assumption.

 

 

Apologies dev, I hadn't seen your post before so I'm just replying now.

 

Riku didn't even know about the twelve Norts why do you think YX explained it to him so that point is moot. Your point about them not being able to do anything because they went back to their places is moot as well, the fact of the matter is if they inticipated the others coming as well then they could have prepared for them before hand, but Master Xehanort was so sure that he couldn't be stopped and because of that he was stopped. The gaurdian is a good perfectly fine example seeing as it takes a highly significant amount of darknesses to even produced one. The gaurdian is linked to Terra and MX's darkness a leech if you will, so if your saying that the gaurdian is insignificant then what does that tell you about Terranort and Ansem.

 

The theory is not baseless seeing as BBS's version of the X-Blade did not work because the numbers were off, so what makes you think that it will work if the numbers are off again.

Btw in the original post it was asked what would happen if the scenario did take place, that is not an assumption. What is an assumption is all your counter arguements to us. You have no idea what the Nort's are going to do, it is you who has no base to make these claims that the darknesses will act in manner A-B and C.

In fact you thinking in those things will absolutely happen is why your points are helping us and not yourself.

Edited August 31, 2012 by devereauxr

[Nafees Rahman 35]

We all know now that MX stated he needs 7 lights and 13 darknesses to create the X blade. But what if the numbers were off ? How would that affect it ? Just because MX needs 7 lights doesnt mean WE have to give him that many..Its not like the 7 and 13 are the original 'pieces' of the X blade . They are 'manufactured ' ..Xehanort is once again manufacturing conditions just like Ansem and Xemnas manufactured their own versions of Kingdom Hearts in the past . . What if we gave MORE ? If we have Mickey, Riku, Sora, Aqua, Ven, Terra, Lea, Kairi ,Roxas, Xion. Thats 10 wielders if Xion and Roxas are revived and we can save Terra. What would happen if the numbers were 'off' ? Would it screw up MX's plan if there ended up being more lights than 7? What if that was one way of KH rejecting Xehanort ? By providing more than 7 lights to throw off Xehanorts plan ? MX stated that he needs exactly 7 and 13 but never said what would happen if the numbers were " off " meaning there is even more 'lights ' than he expected . I'm sure he never counted on Terra getting saved, Roxas and Xion getting revived , and Lea wielding a keyblade too. That seems to be his downfall...Theres always that one little thing he didnt figure on ...which is why his plans always come up short and hes always needed a back up plan ...Just some food for thought..What do you guys think ?

 

X blade was made intto those exact number of pieces made of those number of lights and darknesses right?

[Demyx. 10,064]

X blade was made intto those exact number of pieces made of those number of lights and darknesses right?

 

Just...Do yourself a favor. Go back and read.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

X blade was made intto those exact number of pieces made of those number of lights and darknesses right?

 

Go read all these posts before asking these questions . Thats part of my theory of what will happen if the number is off...

[Heike 53]

Well IDK find it good

Edited August 31, 2012 by IiISoRaIiI

[Demyx. 10,064]

Go read all these posts before asking these questions . Thats part of my theory of what will happen if the number is off...

 

You'd think people would get it after so much repeating.

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

When Riku walked in to that room he didnt know he was walking into 12 norts . And you are fabricating what you think they will do . YOU ARE assuming . My theory isnt a baseless assumption . Its based on knowing what happened in BBS when the formula was wrong and then asking what would happen if this scenario happened . There is NO assumptions made by ME .. But you keep coming back with ASSUMPTIONS how YOU think the Norts will handle it . You arent MX so you cant say what they will do if this happens . They all SAT there in their seats and did NOTHING but send ISA to stop Lea .. No one else did SHIT . And they outnumbered the the good guys and still failed to do nothing . . If anyone is making assumptions its YOU . I presented a very plausible scenario and you are fabricating your assumptions of what will happen then tell ME im assuming when i simply asked what would happen and stated why I thought this was plausible . You are the one assuming what MX will do including saying you think they are roaming around the worlds doing whatever . Thats pretty baseless in itself .

 

Well yeah, I'm assuming. Isn't that a given? I don't see what's with all the capitalization as if I've crossed some sort of boundary by saying you're assuming. I am assuming, I can admit that. And you should be able to as well. We are indeed assuming. You, I and dev. We don't know how these events will play out, if the numbers will screw with his plans and how badly or anything. We can use all the information the series has given us but whether you like it or not, you are still assuming, as am I, as is he. If you can't at least admit that much then there's nothing left to say to either of you.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Well yeah, I'm assuming. Isn't that a given? I don't see what's with all the capitalization as if I've crossed some sort of boundary by saying you're assuming. I am assuming, I can admit that. And you should be able to as well. We are indeed assuming. You, I and dev. We don't know how these events will play out, if the numbers will screw with his plans and how badly or anything. We can use all the information the series has given us but whether you like it or not, you are still assuming, as am I, as is he. If you can't at least admit that much then there's nothing left to say to either of you.

 

I've always said this is a theory . I'm just saying its definitely possible and why . You act like I'm just fabicating where I'm getting this when Ive clearly based this off what happened in BBS and in the info about reviving lost friends in DDD. All theories are theories until the games come out but you shouldnt act like mine is baseless when ive stated where and why i got this idea . ..Thats my point .

[SkyEmerald 73]

I think they can have more than 7 people on the light's side but Xehanort will proably pick the original seven chosen (Kairi,Riku,Aqua, Terra/Lea, Sora,Ventus, and Mickey) to target out of the group to make the Keyblade aka he locks the others out somehow (A black sphere?)to keep them from getting his way. That's my prediction on this.

 

After playing 3D and hearing MX speech about the PoH I thought back to Zero points where Aqua walks into Cinderella's world and sees it in darkness, well I now I think this scene occurs during Kh3 as Aqua is out and a world of a princess is destroyed once more.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think they can have more than 7 people on the light's side but Xehanort will proably pick the original seven chosen (Kairi,Riku,Aqua, Terra/Lea, Sora,Ventus, and Mickey) to target out of the group to make the Keyblade aka he locks the others out somehow (A black sphere?)to keep them from getting his way. That's my prediction on this.

 

After playing 3D and hearing MX speech about the PoH I thought back to Zero points where Aqua walks into Cinderella's world and sees it in darkness, well I now I think this scene occurs during Kh3 as Aqua is out and a world of a princess is destroyed once more.

 

But MX doesnt know about the others. Its the element of surprise and not figuring . As of now , he thinks they are missing lights . He wont expect an overabundance of them ... Then they can all fight him off if he does attack ..Thats his biggest issue ..Not expecting these unforeseen events ..

Edited August 31, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Rayne the Relentless 14]

Somehow I don't feel like they'll be a surprise for Xehanort. Least I feel for the player perspective it seems like his plans go wrong but he doesn't seem worried about it.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Somehow I don't feel like they'll be a surprise for Xehanort. Least I feel for the player perspective it seems like his plans go wrong but he doesn't seem worried about it.

 

Since he doesnt know about them it will be a surprise . He always has a back up plan bc his plans always fail or dont go according to plan . So he goes to plan B, C ,D etc etc.. His miscalculations have always been his downfall .. I expect it will be his downfall in KH3 no matter what actually happens

[Rayne the Relentless 14]

Since he doesnt know about them it will be a surprise . He always has a back up plan bc his plans always fail or dont go according to plan . So he goes to plan B, C ,D etc etc.. His miscalculations have always been his downfall .. I expect it will be his downfall in KH3 no matter what actually happens

 

He's at the very least expecting more lights, should he really be surprised by who it is?

[SkyEmerald 73]

Maybe, but after Lea, Goofy,Riku,Mickey, and Donald I'm sure he'll proably be more careful to prevent a repeat, or at least I hope so or else he'll be a dumb smart villain for not learning from his mistakes...

 

Though I have to agree with you, MX will most likely end up surprised as Ansem (the wise) mentioned to Riku to use the Data in their time of need meaning if they start losing in the war the tide will likely shift with Xion,Roxas, Ventus, and Namine (not sure how she'll help unless she makes MX forget what the heck he's been doing) returning as well as maybe freeing Terra from his prisonment (possibly lowering the Darkness number from 13...or 12 to 12...or 11)

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

He's at the very least expecting more lights, should he really be surprised by who it is?

 

Hes not expecting 10. Hes expecting 7 . Right now he thinks the lights are coming up short . He wont expect them to produce an overabundance.. He doesnt even know about lea or about kairi or about Ansems data to revive lost friends.. Thats to the lights advantage .

 

Maybe, but after Lea, Goofy,Riku,Mickey, and Donald I'm sure he'll proably be more careful to prevent a repeat, or at least I hope so or else he'll be a dumb smart villain for not learning from his mistakes...

 

Though I have to agree with you, MX will most likely end up surprised as Ansem (the wise) mentioned to Riku to use the Data in their time of need meaning if they start losing in the war the tide will likely shift with Xion,Roxas, Ventus, and Namine (not sure how she'll help unless she makes MX forget what the heck he's been doing) returning as well as maybe freeing Terra from his prisonment (possibly lowering the Darkness number from 13...or 12 to 12...or 11)

 

Well I dont think hes learned from his mistakes bc he keeps making the same mistakes that end up screwing up his plan . He lacks certain foresight especially predicting others actions .

Edited August 31, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Caity 3,946]

I think since it's "destiny" there will only be 7 Guardians of Light, but I don't think that means they can't have..not back ups per-say but like "additional members not officially included on the list"

I would totally see Axel, Xion and Roxas fighting in a wee group together probably handling lower bosses while the 7 main lights tackle the larger bosses near the end.

I think if more than 7 lights were to show up, it would end up being catastrophic in some way considering it's meant to be 7 of light and 13 of darknesses?

Like Kingdom hearts will reappear and consume people furiously, or create a new anti-christ or something.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think since it's "destiny" there will only be 7 Guardians of Light, but I don't think that means they can't have..not back ups per-say but like "additional members not officially included on the list"

I would totally see Axel, Xion and Roxas fighting in a wee group together probably handling lower bosses while the 7 main lights tackle the larger bosses near the end.

I think if more than 7 lights were to show up, it would end up being catastrophic in some way considering it's meant to be 7 of light and 13 of darknesses?

Like Kingdom hearts will reappear and consume people furiously, or create a new anti-christ or something.

 

LOL Well MX manufactured his 13 darknesses so its certainly possible to end up with more than 7 lights if we have many additional wielders. By using Ansem the wises data ( which MX doesnt know about ) they can revive even more wielders of light . Showing up at the destined time and place and forcing the clash with numbers 'off' of the formula could cause the X blade to either not form or end up broken like in BBS .. The number wasnt right in BBS and it ended up broken . He also manufactured the light and dark clash by splitting Ven into himself and Vanitas and the Xblade did appear but didnt last bc it wasnt the right amount . Therefore you could apply that example to the upcoming clash and see how this theory could be plausible .

[Loki 1,184]

Considering this is KH, Im sure theres a law in the physics of the world that any extra lights/darknesses will spontaneously combust.