HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) We all know now that MX stated he needs 7 lights and 13 darknesses to create the X blade. But what if the numbers were off ? How would that affect it ? Just because MX needs 7 lights doesnt mean WE have to give him that many..Its not like the 7 and 13 are the original 'pieces' of the X blade . They are 'manufactured ' ..Xehanort is once again manufacturing conditions just like Ansem and Xemnas manufactured their own versions of Kingdom Hearts in the past . . What if we gave MORE ? If we have Mickey, Riku, Sora, Aqua, Ven, Terra, Lea, Kairi ,Roxas, Xion. Thats 10 wielders if Xion and Roxas are revived and we can save Terra. What would happen if the numbers were 'off' ? Would it screw up MX's plan if there ended up being more lights than 7? What if that was one way of KH rejecting Xehanort ? By providing more than 7 lights to throw off Xehanorts plan ? MX stated that he needs exactly 7 and 13 but never said what would happen if the numbers were " off " meaning there is even more 'lights ' than he expected . I'm sure he never counted on Terra getting saved, Roxas and Xion getting revived , and Lea wielding a keyblade too. That seems to be his downfall...Theres always that one little thing he didnt figure on ...which is why his plans always come up short and hes always needed a back up plan ...Just some food for thought..What do you guys think ? Edited August 31, 2012 by Flaming Lea 11 Kiesare, esumsoraroxas, luka and 8 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weiss 8,279 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) This.. This is just going to plague my thoughts now. Thanks for that, Lea. Edited August 30, 2012 by Keysofblades 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinode 3,056 Posted August 30, 2012 I've thought about that, and I'm pretty sure he'd round up the numbers and get rid of the extras. And besides, he could just go for the princesses if that happened, and I'm pretty sure the heroes prefer to forge it themselves than letting some innocent females get used and most likely killed to create a weapon. 2 replika13 and Xian Cano reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic KH Fan_13 64 Posted August 30, 2012 It's an interesting theory...but I think Xehanort said that 7 lights and 13 darknesses are destined to show up,so... 2 esumsoraroxas and replika13 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roxas_Axel_Xion 42 Posted August 30, 2012 Doesn't Matter since even if Yen Sid organizes more than 7 keyblade wielders, don't forget that they aren't the actual lights. THey are just the guardians of the lights. The true 7 lights Xehanort is planning to use are the 7 princesses of heart. Yen Sid already explained this during the secret ending 1 Xian Cano reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 I've thought about that, and I'm pretty sure he'd round up the numbers and get rid of the extras. And besides, he could just go for the princesses if that happened, and I'm pretty sure the heroes prefer to forge it themselves than letting some innocent females get used and most likely killed to create a weapon. But thats the thing .. What makes you think he 'll be able to round up the princesses ? Surely 10 wielders can protect 7 princesses... and thats my point ..10 wielders showing up instead of 7 ? Whay would happen ? Its not like Xehanort expects 10 . He expects 7 to show up .. What would happen ? Doesn't Matter since even if Yen Sid organizes more than 7 keyblade wielders, don't forget that they aren't the actual lights. THey are just the guardians of the lights. The true 7 lights Xehanort is planning to use are the 7 princesses of heart. Yen Sid already explained this during the secret ending He plans on using the princesses but can also use the guardians . Thats how he plans to force the battle . He figured that it 'll force the clash between 7 lights whether its guardians or princesses since the guardians of light will be forced to fight to protect the PoH It's an interesting theory...but I think Xehanort said that 7 lights and 13 darknesses are destined to show up,so... Yes AT LEAST 7 will show up but my point is , what if MORE show up ? 6 luka, replika13, Pyrrha Nikos and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinode 3,056 Posted August 30, 2012 because there are 7 predestined lights. If there's one missing, he'll get rid of them and use the princesses. If there are more, surely the excess won't be the actual lights destined to clash. Either that, or they'll be, essentially, practically another light already there (As in, Roxas and Xion are a part of Sora. Mostly Xion, since she's created out of him) and even if they count as a different person, they still count as the same light, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) I think this very a plausible counter measurement against Xehanort's plans. Xehanort has always counted on his plans going exactly the way he wanted them to. But his fatal flaw is he never accounts for the fact that his pawns have their own free will. In bbs he never expected Terra to fight back which delayed his plans. In KH1 Ansem never expected Riku to fight back and help Sora stop his plans. Xemnas never considered that Roxas would leave the Organization and awaken Sora. MX never once thought that Lea would come and rescue Sora . Yen Sid must know that Xehanort is reading the moves he expects them to take by acting in way that is not expected (By presenting more then seven) the chances of foiling Xehanort are significantly higher . Making Lea a keyblade wielder is one way Yen Sid has implemented this strategy so I see no reason for this not to work. Edited August 30, 2012 by devereauxr 2 HarLea Quinn and Xian Cano reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinode 3,056 Posted August 30, 2012 Notice the word "destined". There's no running from what will definitely happen. If it's destined, then it will have to happen. If Time itself is immovable and unwritable, then the future, and therefore the destiny, is as well. 1 Epic KH Fan_13 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col.Random 3,683 Posted August 30, 2012 well if you brought him more than 7 lights, won't he have a wider range to choose from? Won't it still be somewhat the same thing? I mean he could still get 7 lights, though with greater difficulty. If they brought less than 7 lights then that might screw with his plan...though it might also screw with their plan since they'll be outnumbered 2-1. (o.0) 1 Xian Cano reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 because there are 7 predestined lights. If there's one missing, he'll get rid of them and use the princesses. If there are more, surely the excess won't be the actual lights destined to clash. Either that, or they'll be, essentially, practically another light already there (As in, Roxas and Xion are a part of Sora. Mostly Xion, since she's created out of him) and even if they count as a different person, they still count as the same light, right? If Roxas and Xion are revived they would be their own person . Thats already established so of course they would count seperately .As for 'predestined " thats not necessarily true . MX also stated that lights would naturally be selected as needed if someonething were to happen to others . Thats why he had no qualms using Terra , Sora and others as vessels of darknesses . What I'm saying is , What if KH finds another way of 'rejecting ' Xehanort like Xigbar suggested Kingdom Hearts has already done in the past ? By providing even more lights ... well if you brought him more than 7 lights, won't he have a wider range to choose from? Won't it still be somewhat the same thing? I mean he could still get 7 lights, though with greater difficulty. If they brought less than 7 lights then that might screw with his plan...though it might also screw with their plan since they'll be outnumbered 2-1. (o.0) My point is what would happen if the "formula" is off ? Can it only work if its 7 and 13 ? Would it fail if the forumla was off ? Thats my whole point . Notice the word "destined". There's no running from what will definitely happen. If it's destined, then it will have to happen. If Time itself is immovable and unwritable, then the future, and therefore the destiny, is as well. Yes and what if Destiny brought forth more lights to protect KH from Xehanort ? Thats my whole point ? What if KH rejects and foils his plans ? Just like KH provided a door for Sora and Riku to defeat Xemnas in KH2 ? 4 Demyx., luka, Handsome_the_Wise and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheKingdomkid 1,194 Posted August 30, 2012 he needs 13 hears with pure darkness and 7 hearts with pure lights so he will have his 13 vessals of pure darkness but the 7 hearts of pure lights have to be the princess of hearts becuase they are the only people who have no darkness in their hearts so even though the guardians of light are fighting for they light they still have darkness in their hearts there for they are not pure like the princess, but i don't know for sure thats just how i see it, the 7 guardians are just to protect the princess from the darkness, thats how i think it is anyway. 1 HikariYami reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 he needs 13 hears with pure darkness and 7 hearts with pure lights so he will have his 13 vessals of pure darkness but the 7 hearts of pure lights have to be the princess of hearts becuase they are the only people who have no darkness in their hearts so even though the guardians of light are fighting for they light they still have darkness in their hearts there for they are not pure like the princess, but i don't know for sure thats just how i see it, the 7 guardians are just to protect the princess from the darkness, thats how i think it is anyway. The 13 darknesses arent pure darknesses in that sense . They arent like Vanitas .They arent beings made just of darkness and thats it . Yet he can still use them . The same logic goes with the guardians of light . Which is also why Aqua was the back up plan in BBS even though she wasnt pure light like Ven . But she could still be used. The 7 guardians of light can still be used . Thats what Xehanort is counting on . Hes trying force the clash no matter what whether its using the PoH or the guardians forced to fight to protect them . Either way he figures the clash is inevitable and destined to happen . Because he set it up that way. 5 Handsome_the_Wise, Robbie the Wise, replika13 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted August 30, 2012 he needs 13 hears with pure darkness and 7 hearts with pure lights so he will have his 13 vessals of pure darkness but the 7 hearts of pure lights have to be the princess of hearts becuase they are the only people who have no darkness in their hearts so even though the guardians of light are fighting for they light they still have darkness in their hearts there for they are not pure like the princess, but i don't know for sure thats just how i see it, the 7 guardians are just to protect the princess from the darkness, thats how i think it is anyway. Remember the conditions to spawn the X-blade have been manufactured so they don't have pure to work Xehanort is trying to force the fight. In other words if they go after the princesses, the gaurdians will be forced to fight still fullfilling the conditions to spawn the X-blade. 2 HarLea Quinn and Handsome_the_Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AntonioKHT 449 Posted August 30, 2012 It's really about destiny. I think that's what MX is counting on you know? There's just now way to have more than it should I think... Also, I don't why Yen Sid is gathering the Lights like MX wants... He's just helping his plan in the end... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 What I'm saying is, what if 'destiny ' was KH rejecting Xehanorts plan bc its not destined for him to succeed .? Thats extremely egotistical for him to think that HE is destined to rule KH . Just like Xigbar said , it seems to be Kingdom Hearts is always rejecting Xehanort which is why his plans always fail . What makes us think destiny wont find a way to foil this current plan like its foiled his others ? Why do you think he always needs back up plans ? Why do his plans always fail bc of things he never counted on ? Maybe that IS destiny .Thats my whole point in this theory .Thats Kingdom Hearts will find a way to reject and stop Xehanort . Because THATS destiny It's really about destiny. I think that's what MX is counting on you know? There's just now way to have more than it should I think... Also, I don't why Yen Sid is gathering the Lights like MX wants... He's just helping his plan in the end... Read what i just wrote above 3 Robbie the Wise, Demyx. and luka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demyx. 10,064 Posted August 30, 2012 What I'm saying is, what if 'destiny ' was KH rejecting Xehanorts plan bc its not destined for him to succeed .? Thats extremely egotistical for him to think that HE is destined to rule KH . Just like Xigbar said , it seems to be Kingdom Hearts is always rejecting Xehanort which is why his plans always fail . What makes us think destiny wont find a way to foil this current plan like its foiled his others ? Why do you think he always needs back up plans ? Why do his plans always fail bc of things he never counted on ? Maybe that IS destiny .Thats my whole point in this theory .Thats Kingdom Hearts will find a way to reject and stop Xehanort . Because THATS destiny Read what i just wrote above I'm sure destiny is going to have Demyx kick Xehanort's ass. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 I'm sure destiny is going to have Demyx kick Xehanort's ass. I want to see Demyx back in some way . He's comic relief 4 Robbie the Wise, luka, replika13 and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rayne the Relentless 14 Posted August 30, 2012 What I'm saying is, what if 'destiny ' was KH rejecting Xehanorts plan bc its not destined for him to succeed .? Thats extremely egotistical for him to think that HE is destined to rule KH . Just like Xigbar said , it seems to be Kingdom Hearts is always rejecting Xehanort which is why his plans always fail . What makes us think destiny wont find a way to foil this current plan like its foiled his others ? Why do you think he always needs back up plans ? Why do his plans always fail bc of things he never counted on ? Maybe that IS destiny .Thats my whole point in this theory .Thats Kingdom Hearts will find a way to reject and stop Xehanort . Because THATS destiny Read what i just wrote above Destiny states that there will be a clash, not that Xehanort will rule. Nothing is been stated to be destined to happen after the clash? What happens afterwards could go either way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunarMadness 79 Posted August 30, 2012 While that all makes a lot of sense... we all know Xehanort is gonna end up getting the X-Blade anyway. It's a foregone conclusion. Perhaps our heroes will fail and a few get... cut off or something. 7 remain. I wonder if the battle Xehanort is going for will happen at the end or at the 3/4 point or something. I mean, I imagine Sora and co. will have to take out some of the Organization XIII members... they can't ALL go down at the very end. It'd be weird. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanitasTheBest 196 Posted August 30, 2012 I think if there are more Lights or Darknesses the X-Blade just wouldn't appear or would be incorrect or something or maybe appear and right after that it explodes in a big firework Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 Destiny states that there will be a clash, not that Xehanort will rule. Nothing is been stated to be destined to happen after the clash? What happens afterwards could go either way. Thats the thing .Xehanort is MANUFACTURING the conditions for the clash . He is forcing 13 darknsesses to be made and to clash by using vessels he took by force or past versions that arent even suppose to exist in the present time . There is nothing natural about how this is coming about . Which is why destiny can do something about it and provide ways to stop it . 4 Demyx., luka, Robbie the Wise and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunarMadness 79 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) I think if there are more Lights or Darknesses the X-Blade just wouldn't appear or would be incorrect or something or maybe appear and right after that it explodes in a big firework That would be horribly anticlimactic. I hope that Xehanort obtains the true Keyblade but ends up being defeated by Sora before he can obtain ultimate power from Kingdom Hearts or whatever. Edited August 30, 2012 by LunarMadness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted August 30, 2012 Destiny states that there will be a clash, not that Xehanort will rule. Nothing is been stated to be destined to happen after the clash? What happens afterwards could go either way. No the entire scenario has been manufactured by Xehanort. Xehanort not only made thirteen darknesses but is forcing the lights to appear. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) While that all makes a lot of sense... we all know Xehanort is gonna end up getting the X-Blade anyway. It's a foregone conclusion. Perhaps our heroes will fail and a few get... cut off or something. 7 remain. I wonder if the battle Xehanort is going for will happen at the end or at the 3/4 point or something. I mean, I imagine Sora and co. will have to take out some of the Organization XIII members... they can't ALL go down at the very end. It'd be weird. That is very possible It'll prolly happen 3/4 of the way through.. I think if there are more Lights or Darknesses the X-Blade just wouldn't appear or would be incorrect or something or maybe appear and right after that it explodes in a big firework Thats what happened with ' Venitas " ..and why it broke besides other factors like the ongoing fights..lol The 'amount ' was off .. Edited August 30, 2012 by Flaming Lea 2 Robbie the Wise and Demyx. reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
