KH3D The Sleeping Worlds

[riku1123 11]

This is probably already somewhere, so if it is, send me a link. How can the Destiny Islands and Traverse Town be sleeping worlds if Traverse Town has been visited at least once in reality during Kingdom Hearts, where it hadn't fell to darkness before Ansem SOD was defeated? The Destiny Islands have been visited many times in reality, and though it did fall to darkness at the start of Kingdom Hearts, it came back after the defeat of Ansem SOD, therefore it couldn't be sleeping. Another problem bothering me is that if Mickey was still in training in the two sleeping worlds he was in, how did he ever escape if the worlds have been sleeping for at least 10 years? Also, since he somehow did escape, would he not have remembered Sora and Riku helping him when he met them? Also if the Mickey was always the same (as implied by Mickey in the game), does that mean that all of the other characters (Donald, Goofy, Pete, Minny) are the same? That would seem rather unlikely, as that means that Pete would have had to be part of his training. Is this the same as the Pinocchio world, where all of them appear later? Also, Sora implies that at the end of the Pinnochio world, that that is when it falls into darkness, but shouldn't it have fallen into darkness before the events of Sora and Riku's adventure for it to be a sleeping world? My final question is how did The Grid become a sleeping world 20 years after the events of Space Paranoids, which is how long after the original Tron Legacy took place at, even though the events of KH 3D appears to take place very soon after KH 2? The only answers I can think of is that like Aqua, Sora and Riku were trapped in the Dark Margin for years, but since kairi looks the same, that can't be. My other conclusion is that time moves at a different pace in each world, but that has never been shown, and time would have to be moving fairly fast to advance 20 years in the span of the few days that probably take place between KH 2 and KH 3D. Anyway, that's my questions about the Sleeping Worlds, leave your theories below.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Destiny Islands was no longer a sleeping world Yen Sid sent Sora and Riku back in time before it fell to darkness so they could gain acess to the Realm of Sleep. Traverse Town was used by Joshua to house his friends using his dreams.

The dreams of the sleeping worlds can project people who might not necessarily have been present when the world fell or exist anymore,such is the case with Ursula, jiminy and mickey. Also in the KH universe the the Tron Legacy world is the original world while Space paranoids is a copy that world. Space paranoids was merely displaying events that most likely already happened in the Legacy world.

[XxJIBYxX 24]

Actually, some of your questions have been answered in the game already and others i can understand y ur asking, cuz they're just confusing. I'll go in order. Destiny Islands and Traverse Town aren't actually "sleeping" worlds, for Destiny Islands, Yen Sid wanted to start Sora and Riku off on the MoM with a familiar place, so he started them at a replica of Destiny Islands, not the actual thing. For Traverse Town, this is a version of Traverse Town in Joshua's dreams that Joshua called upon or "summoned" to save Neku and the others, because their world was disappearing. One, the worlds haven't been sleeping for at least 10 years, only since at most, just before the events of KH1, And I haven't actually finished the game yet, but it has already explained it, with the sleeping worlds that Mickey was in, it's like Jiminy in Prankster's Paradise, they're not actually there, it's like the sleeping world is dreaming and it kind of, "places" them there, it's trying to replace wat is missing, like when u dream and dream someone u know is in the dream, they're not actually there, same idea, because time doesn't flow in the sleeping worlds. Yen Sid actually explains it, if u watch the "When Worlds Dream" Flashback in the Mementos menu. And yes the characters are the same people, but the events that took place in the sleeping worlds never necessarily happened like they did because wat happens in the sleeping world, stays in the sleeping world, once the world is awoken, time takes affect and everything goes to how it should be like u were never there. I can't answer ur question about Prankster's Paradise as that is the world I'm currently on (I'm trying to pace myself cuz its a shorter game). And for The Grid, it isn't the same grid so to speak as the Space Paranoids world in KH2. The world in KH2 isn't the real grid from the movie, it's a copy of the grid that Xehanort took of the original, The Grid world in KH3D is from the real world which was not visited in KH2. The thing with Tron remembering Sora is just Nomura-Logic.

[riku1123 11]

Alright, thanks guys, some of that stuff (like the space paranoids) i had just forgotten, and some of the stuff I didn't fully realize, so thanks for explaining them

[Xian Cano 78]

wait wait wait wait

Actually, some of your questions have been answered in the game already and others i can understand y ur asking, cuz they're just confusing. I'll go in order. Destiny Islands and Traverse Town aren't actually "sleeping" worlds, for Destiny Islands, Yen Sid wanted to start Sora and Riku off on the MoM with a familiar place, so he started them at a replica of Destiny Islands, not the actual thing. For Traverse Town, this is a version of Traverse Town in Joshua's dreams that Joshua called upon or "summoned" to save Neku and the others, because their world was disappearing. One, the worlds haven't been sleeping for at least 10 years, only since at most, just before the events of KH1, And I haven't actually finished the game yet, but it has already explained it, with the sleeping worlds that Mickey was in, it's like Jiminy in Prankster's Paradise, they're not actually there, it's like the sleeping world is dreaming and it kind of, "places" them there, it's trying to replace wat is missing, like when u dream and dream someone u know is in the dream, they're not actually there, same idea, because time doesn't flow in the sleeping worlds. Yen Sid actually explains it, if u watch the "When Worlds Dream" Flashback in the Mementos menu. And yes the characters are the same people, but the events that took place in the sleeping worlds never necessarily happened like they did because wat happens in the sleeping world, stays in the sleeping world, once the world is awoken, time takes affect and everything goes to how it should be like u were never there. I can't answer ur question about Prankster's Paradise as that is the world I'm currently on (I'm trying to pace myself cuz its a shorter game). And for The Grid, it isn't the same grid so to speak as the Space Paranoids world in KH2. The world in KH2 isn't the real grid from the movie, it's a copy of the grid that Xehanort took of the original, The Grid world in KH3D is from the real world which was not visited in KH2. The thing with Tron remembering Sora is just Nomura-Logic.

 

So Tron, the REAL Tron, technically never actually met Sora before KH3D?

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

wait wait wait wait

 

So Tron, the REAL Tron, technically never actually met Sora before KH3D?

 

Probably not but remember by bonding with the heart of tron from Space Parnoids he has a connection to him.

[XxJIBYxX 24]

wait wait wait wait

 

So Tron, the REAL Tron, technically never actually met Sora before KH3D?

 

Indubidubly. The Tron in "The Grid" is not the same Tron from "Space Paranoids". My guess for the reason that Tron defended Sora from CLU and reached for his hand, is yes because he got his memory back, but not because he remembered Sora, rather because he remembered that he fights for the users and helps them and he probably realizes that Sora is a user because of his weapon and I'm guessing how he looks whether he knew him before or not. Though Nomura prob meant for it to be that he remembered Sora, that doesn't seem fitting to me.

[Xian Cano 78]

Indubidubly. The Tron in "The Grid" is not the same Tron from "Space Paranoids". My guess for the reason that Tron defended Sora from CLU and reached for his hand, is yes because he got his memory back, but not because he remembered Sora, rather because he remembered that he fights for the users and helps them and he probably realizes that Sora is a user because of his weapon and I'm guessing how he looks whether he knew him before or not. Though Nomura prob meant for it to be that he remembered Sora, that doesn't seem fitting to me.

 

That sux, although I dislike the "Tron" Movies, Space Paranoids in Kingdom Hearts 2 was one of my all time favorite worlds, (Story Wise). I actually really liked Tron he grew on me, and I actually got sad whenever he "killed himself" and i got a warm fuzzy feeling when I saw "Singing/Dancing Tron" in the credits

Then we go to the Grid, and we had to fight him -__- and I felt like a monster... When he fell I was so pissed! and when we see him reach for Sora's hand, I had a Nostalgia attack, I was so bummed... and now I'm thinking, that maybe... we may never see tron until AFTER KH III,

and Even if you cant stand Tron, or Space Paranoids, you have to admit that out of all the Disney worlds, Tron had one of the Best Character Developments.

Edited August 30, 2012 by Xian Cano

[riku1123 11]

Another question i just thought of is during the events of the World That Never Was, Riku says that he's finally awake, but he still has his dream eaters and retains his younger looks. He's clearly awake as

 

Lea, Mickey, Donald, and Goofy arrive, and he can see Sora sleeping

 

[Ultima Spark 753]

No, that's the real Destiny Islands at the start. It falls to darkness, becomes a sleeping world at that point (Xigbar calls the islands such), then Sora and Riku unlock the now-sleeping keyhole (hence why it returns to the realm of light at the end of KH1) and "ride" it into the other sleeping worlds.

 

Traverse Town changes its nature to fit whoever's summoning it.

 

Riku and Dream Eater pals:

 

Riku can bring the DEs into the real world because Sora's still sleeping; he's still acting as Sora's personal spirit DE.

 

 

And neither of them would revert to normal form until they returned to the Mysterious Tower.

Edited August 31, 2012 by Ultima Spark

[riku1123 11]

I keep thinking up questions, when MX is talking about the 7 defenders of light and the 13 seekers of darkness, Mickey states the 7 as: himself, Sora, Riku, Terra, Aqua, Ventus, and someone else (revealed to be Lea), but then Yen Sid has Riku bring Kairi to be trained. That's 8 people, is Yen Sid just being cautious, or can Nomora just not count? Also for Symphony of Sorcery, how can the Mysterious Tower be sleeping if everybody is in the real one? Also, if they time traveled, they should have forgot the events of the game, but they remember, how is this possible?

Edited September 1, 2012 by riku1123