KH3D (Spoilers) Okay I'm confused about Riku and Sora anf their first time in Traverse Town

[The Kingdom Hearts Otaku 44]

Sorry if a topic has already been made of this but I'm just really confused. I'm going through the game again and I noticed something, now as many of us already know Riku was actually taking the test inside Sora's dreams, so when Sora's asleep Riku is active being a "Spirit" Dream Eater and he goes to sleep when Sora wakes up again. But I'm actual question is when you finish the Traverse Town for the first time with both you get a cutscene of Joshua taking to both Sora and Riku side by side and both ecknowledge the other but how is it they are both awake at the same time, I'm so confused I can't even make sense of it, it's like Nintendo logic except it's Square Enix Logic! Could someone please explain...watch it's going to be something obvious which will make me feel like an idiot -.-o

Edited August 19, 2012 by The Kingdom Hearts Otaku

[Blake 776]

I think that the drop gauge is just a game mechanic, just stops you from playing to far in Traverse and TWTNW. They're probably awake at the same time in cutscenes like Riku talking to Sora before fighting Anti-Black Coat. Also Inception just go with it

[Daniel Black 1,981]

The drop gauge only serves for changing off Sora for Riku... in the cutscene of traverse town the two can see the each other but they can´t hear the other... it´s just an image... obviously both of them could hear Joshua thanks to A) His portal tricky thing... and http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.png his Composer-like god powers... after all in no other world this happen... again . IF not.. then the only thing i can say is "The magic of videogames in action)

Edited August 19, 2012 by Blacksun30

[Yami Tsuki 15]

Okay I think I can explain this, only a lil though. Remember when you go back to Traverse Town the second time and Josh explains to Riku this world is nothing but a dream. Yeah you see Sora goes to his Dream Traverse Town and Riku is actually in the test version of the town. Josh dream of the town so his friend can be reborn there, but YMX messed up when he marked Sora, so that's why the towns are two. Its more harder to explain while typing, but hopefully this help a lil....or even not at all.

[KeyOfVentus 90]

Well it was Sora's Dream right? So he was probably Listening to Joshua and his dream was influenced by him, so his Dream made it so he and Riku could communicate in a way, they couldn't hear each other, but they could see each other. Also it was originally Joshua's Dream(the Sora version anyway), so Joshua dreamt he was talking o both, and Sora subconsciously knew that, so they were able to see each other... If you think of them as "awake", or a better term, active at the same time, then it makes more sense. The Drop Gauge was sort of to Drop into and out of Sora's Dreams, but it also had the effect of allowing the player to play the story as it was meant to be played, simultaneously, because that's how the events were happening, Riku was awake in Sora's dreams as he Was taking the exam...

Edited August 19, 2012 by KeyOfVentus

[keystrike 145]

This is where the time travel mechanic sort of has to be introduced in the context of dreams.

 

If you ignore the fact that Sora and Riku's adventures were always taking place at different times (i.e. Sora is asleep meaning Riku is awake; Riku is asleep meaning Sora is awake) then the situation becomes easily enough to explain. The two Traverse Towns overlapped to an extent letting them exist alongside each other. Latter on in the the story Joshua provides an important hint to explaining what would eventually lead to our questioning of this. He explains that time travels differently for the two worlds meaning they are not parallel. So what really happened?

 

Well, the part about the two Traverse Towns being connected we are already sure of. The situation can be interpreted in general that if Sora finished first, then time traveled faster in the world Riku was exploring so that they may both experience the same thing at the same time and vice versa. The realm of sleep was able to bend time in this way by allowing Sora's dream of Traverse Town to coexist with the original sleeping one, albeit the time traveling at different speeds.

 

tldr: The realm of sleep allowed the two traverse towns to coexist and the speed of time flow for each of the worlds accounted for them being able to exist at the same time.

Edited August 19, 2012 by keystrike

[kristi-swat 61]

more like the drop gauge is just to switch,we don't know what happens when we switch http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

 

smth strange I noticed:"at the grid if you complete the grid as Riku you know that they leave through the portal and so,but if you haven't yet completed Sora's story and then jump into it you still meet with the characters"...but how can they still be in Sora's story when in fact they left? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

[DG20 67]

more like the drop gauge is just to switch,we don't know what happens when we switch http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

 

smth strange I noticed:"at the grid if you complete the grid as Riku you know that they leave through the portal and so,but if you haven't yet completed Sora's story and then jump into it you still meet with the characters"...but how can they still be in Sora's story when in fact they left? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

 

I thought Sora's side of the story generally ended before Riku's. Like, both stories interlap but Sora's usually start first and end first.

[Epic KH Fan_13 64]

more like the drop gauge is just to switch,we don't know what happens when we switch http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

 

smth strange I noticed:"at the grid if you complete the grid as Riku you know that they leave through the portal and so,but if you haven't yet completed Sora's story and then jump into it you still meet with the characters"...but how can they still be in Sora's story when in fact they left? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

 

Sora is in the dream world and Riku is in the Sora's dream,so stories are not the same

[kristi-swat 61]

I thought Sora's side of the story generally ended before Riku's. Like, both stories interlap but Sora's usually start first and end first.

 

I thought that too but I watched a LP of someone and he completed Riku before Sora and that seemed like the story didn't make sense http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

Even at TWTNW he only played with Sora and when Riku arrives to the place he fights the nightmare Sora is standing there where in fact he should have dissapeared after the fight with Xemnas

 

Sora is in the dream world and Riku is in the Sora's dream,so stories are not the same

 

I thought of that too but what about the comment I made above about TWTNW...look it up

[Epic KH Fan_13 64]

I thought that too but I watched a LP of someone and he completed Riku before Sora and that seemed like the story didn't make sense http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

Even at TWTNW he only played with Sora and when Riku arrives to the place he fights the nightmare Sora is standing there where in fact he should have dissapeared after the fight with Xemnas

 

I thought of that too but what about the comment I made above about TWTNW...look it up

 

Yea,I don't get that either but sora was sleeping when riku arrived so he did fell asleep...(confusing)Maybe the second sleep thing that Xigbar/Braig mentioned

[kristi-swat 61]

Yea,I don't get that either but sora was sleeping when riku arrived so he did fell asleep...(confusing)Maybe the second sleep thing that Xigbar/Braig mentioned

 

awwwww f*ck this hole inception thing of dreams :@@@...maybe he is within another dream but everything is soooooo confusing

[The Kingdom Hearts Otaku 44]

This is where the time travel mechanic sort of has to be introduced in the context of dreams.

 

If you ignore the fact that Sora and Riku's adventures were always taking place at different times (i.e. Sora is asleep meaning Riku is awake; Riku is asleep meaning Sora is awake) then the situation becomes easily enough to explain. The two Traverse Towns overlapped to an extent letting them exist alongside each other. Latter on in the the story Joshua provides an important hint to explaining what would eventually lead to our questioning of this. He explains that time travels differently for the two worlds meaning they are not parallel. So what really happened?

 

Well, the part about the two Traverse Towns being connected we are already sure of. The situation can be interpreted in general that if Sora finished first, then time traveled faster in the world Riku was exploring so that they may both experience the same thing at the same time and vice versa. The realm of sleep was able to bend time in this way by allowing Sora's dream of Traverse Town to coexist with the original sleeping one, albeit the time traveling at different speeds.

 

tldr: The realm of sleep allowed the two traverse towns to coexist and the speed of time flow for each of the worlds accounted for them being able to exist at the same time.

 

Thanks I think I finally understand it now Thank You!

[keystrike 145]

Thanks I think I finally understand it now Thank You!

 

That actually made sense? You must be a genius at interpreting the impossible! And in all seriousness, thanks for the recognition.

Edited August 19, 2012 by keystrike