KH3D (SPOILERS) I am starting to think that Terra Isn't.....

[Demyx. 10,064]

So I am starting to think that Terra isn't one of the 13 darknesses. Mainly because I believe Master Xehanort knows that Ven's heart is inside Sora. It is pretty obvious the organization knows this be cause of these two quotes.

 

Young Xehanort

Hypocrite. You are the one who has made your heart a prison... Even if you are not the prisoner.

Xemnas

Your heart, memories, your data, and your dreams. The bits and bytes that have made up your life so far. Can you say for sure they are not just copies of someone else's

So with that in mind think of when Master Xehanort says this.

 

But Sora and another on your list belong to me now. And that puts you three Guardians short.

So if Master Xehanort knows where Ven's heart is and has Terra they would really be 4 guardians short. (At that time) Now I am not saying he is after Ven. Just that he knows Ven's there so they are lacking 3 guardians.

 

If he is refering to Terra after all I still don't think Terra is a part of the 13 darknesses. Rather that Terra is in Master Xehanort's heart.

 

Just something to think about. Let me know what you think.

[teh lazy prince Xylek 1,559]

well isn't terra kinda xemnas?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

So I am starting to think that Terra isn't one of the 13 darknesses. Mainly because I believe Master Xehanort knows that Ven's heart is inside Sora. It is pretty obvious the organization knows this be cause of these two quotes.

 

Young Xehanort

 

 

Xemnas

 

 

So with that in mind think of when Master Xehanort says this.

 

 

 

So if Master Xehanort knows where Ven's heart is and has Terra they would really be 4 guardians short. (At that time) Now I am not saying he is after Ven. Just that he knows Ven's there so they are lacking 3 guardians.

 

If he is refering to Terra after all I still don't think Terra is a part of the 13 darknesses. Rather that Terra is in Master Xehanort's heart.

 

Just something to think about. Let me know what you think.

 

 

 

He doesnt have or know Vens body's location since only Aqua can find it therefore that theory makes no sense . No body = no vessel ...Thats why Xemnas failed in finding him in CO..He straight up names all the lights by saying himself, Sora, Riku and his 3 missing friends. MX doesnt have Vens body so he cant be a darkness on his side so that only leaves Terra.Also since its known that Sora harbors MANY hearts it cant even be proven MX knows for sure Sora has Vens heart.. As for Terra he straight up told Mickey Terra became his vessel .

Edited August 16, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Kinode 3,056]

well isn't terra kinda xemnas?

 

Well aren't they all each other?

[Master Juan 574]

well isn't terra kinda xemnas?

 

Haha who knows? They all look the same...

[Demyx. 10,064]

He doesnt have or know Vens body's location since only Aqua can find it therefore that theory makes no sense . No body = no vessel ...Thats why Xemnas failed in finding him in CO..He straight up names all the lights by saying himself, Sora, Riku and his 3 missing friends. MX doesnt have Vens body so he cant be a darkness on his side so that only leaves Terra.Also since its known that Sora harbors MANY hearts it cant even be proven MX knows for sure Sora has Vens heart.

 

I am not saying that Master Xehanort wants to use Ven as a vessel. Just that he knows his heart is in Sora. Therefor he know they are missing 3 guardians.

[Skai 3,961]

 

MX said Terra was one of them. One lost his heart, another fell to darkness to save her friend, the last became a vessel. He's still a vessel. You know why? BECAUSE THEY CAME FROM DIFFERENT TIMES. That solves all your questions.

 

YMX (Before leaving Destiny Islands)

MX (Present)

Xemnas (Before demise in KH2)

Ansem: Seeker of Darkness (Before demise in KH1 or Chain of Memories)

Xigbar (Before demise in KH2)

Saix (Before demise in KH2)

Terranort (Before becoming only a heart to Time Travel)

 

Time travel explains why Terranort can exist in the same time as Xemnas and Ansem: SoD

Edited August 16, 2012 by Sky Heart

[Demyx. 10,064]

well isn't terra kinda xemnas?

 

Yes. But he is from the past. Who knows whats going on with Terra's current form. If there is one.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I am not saying that Master Xehanort wants to use Ven as a vessel. Just that he knows his heart is in Sora. Therefor he know they are missing 3 guardians.

 

That doesnt mean a thing when Vens heart location HASNT been confirmed to be known period..Also how can he be a usablle light if hes not in his body ? Even to be a light he still needs rescued . Still makes no sense..MX also straight up says Terra became his vessel.

[fizzyferns 0]

That doesnt mean a thing when Vens heart location HASNT been confirmed to be known period..Also how can he be a usablle light if hes not in his body ? Even to be a light he still needs rescued . Still makes no sense..MX also straight up says Terra became his vessel.

 

This Still Makes Perfect Sense, For The Reason That Vens Heart Is Known To Be Inside Sora's Hearts Because If You Played KH3D You Would Know Vens Heart Encases Soras Heart Or Sora In His Armour To Guard Him From The Darkness. Also Terra Did Not Willingly Lose His Heart And Therefore Is Still Fighting Along With Master Eraqus' Heart Against Xehanorts Heart.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

This Still Makes Perfect Sense, For The Reason That Vens Heart Is Known To Be Inside Sora's Hearts Because If You Played KH3D You Would Know Vens Heart Encases Soras Heart Or Sora In His Armour To Guard Him From The Darkness. Also Terra Did Not Willingly Lose His Heart And Therefore Is Still Fighting Along With Master Eraqus' Heart Against Xehanorts Heart.

 

 

DID you even read what i said ? Or read my first post on this thread ? I KNOW VENS HEARTS THERE .I said there is no proof MX knows .Read what i said before telling me to play DDD bc i have ..He also doesnt know Vens body's location...All MX knew was that Sora had MANY Hearts . There is no proof to say he knows one of them is Ven..Terra is defintely one of the darknesses as a vessel till hes rescued. MX straight up said Terra became his vessel..So whats your point exactly ?

Edited August 16, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Pyrrha Nikos 1,162]

This is all soooo confusing

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

So I am starting to think that Terra isn't one of the 13 darknesses. Mainly because I believe Master Xehanort knows that Ven's heart is inside Sora. It is pretty obvious the organization knows this because of these two quotes.

 

Young Xehanort

 

 

Xemnas

 

 

So with that in mind think of when Master Xehanort says this.

 

 

 

So if Master Xehanort knows where Ven's heart is and has Terra they would really be 4 guardians short. (At that time) Now I am not saying he is after Ven. Just that he knows Ven's there so they are lacking 3 guardians.

 

If he is refering to Terra after all I still don't think Terra is a part of the 13 darknesses. Rather that Terra is in Master Xehanort's heart.

 

Just something to think about. Let me know what you think.

 

First of all you should know that the nort' were trolling him for the entire game. Nomura confirmed that abandoning the self is another way to fall to darkness. By preying on the fact that Sora draws his powers from the connections he has drew to other hearts, the orgnization hoped to tempt Sora's heart.

 

Why did Xehanort and co. word things as if to try and wake Ventus who is inside Sora?

Nomura: They did so in order to tempt Sora’s heart and have it fall to the darkness. In the story it also talks about how abandoning the self leads to losing the heart. When you see Vanitas (the dark half of Ventus who appeared in KHBBS) overlay Young Xehanort for a moment, that represents Ventus’ heart reacting inside Sora.

http://kh13.com/foru...ely-translated/

 

 

 

 

 

It was never confirmed that any of them knew that Ven's heart was inside Sora they may have guessed because of Roxas and Xion but they couldn't have known for sure.

 

Number two Master Xehanort straight up confirmed that only three lights were missing(4:15). One was Sora who he was about to implant, one was Terra who he already possesed, and then there was the seventh light who had yet to show itself. Master Xehanort directly states that Terra was already his vessel (2:29) , you can't argue or deny this.

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIJ-3Xiet0&feature=relmfu

 

 

This Still Makes Perfect Sense, For The Reason That Vens Heart Is Known To Be Inside Sora's Hearts Because If You Played KH3D You Would Know Vens Heart Encases Soras Heart Or Sora In His Armour To Guard Him From The Darkness. Also Terra Did Not Willingly Lose His Heart And Therefore Is Still Fighting Along With Master Eraqus' Heart Against Xehanorts Heart.

 

Read what she says before you post, she obviously knew this. Edited August 16, 2012 by devereauxr

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

First of all you should know that the nort' were trolling him for the entire game. Nomura confirmed that abandoning the self is another way to fall to darkness. By preying on the fact that Sora draws his powers from the connections he has drew to other hearts, the orgnization hoped to tempt Sora's heart.

 

Why did Xehanort and co. word things as if to try and wake Ventus who is inside Sora?

Nomura: They did so in order to tempt Sora’s heart and have it fall to the darkness. In the story it also talks about how abandoning the self leads to losing the heart. When you see Vanitas (the dark half of Ventus who appeared in KHBBS) overlay Young Xehanort for a moment, that represents Ventus’ heart reacting inside Sora.

http://kh13.com/foru...ely-translated/

 

 

 

 

 

It was never confirmed that any of them knew that Ven's heart was inside Sora they may have guessed because of Roxas and Xion but they couldn't have known for sure.

 

Number two Master Xehanort straight up confirmed that only three lights were missing(4:15). One was Sora who he was about to implant, one was Terra who he already possesed, and then there was the seventh light who had yet to show itself. Master Xehanort directly states that Terra was already his vessel (2:29) , you can't argue or deny this.

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIJ-3Xiet0&feature=relmfu

 

 

Read what she says before you post, she obviously knew this.

 

 

Yep !!

 

 

 

Also This says it all as well. Agreed

[Demyx. 10,064]

MX said Terra was one of them. One lost his heart, another fell to darkness to save her friend, the last became a vessel. He's still a vessel. You know why? BECAUSE THEY CAME FROM DIFFERENT TIMES. That solves all your questions.

 

YMX (Before leaving Destiny Islands)

MX (Present)

Xemnas (Before demise in KH2)

Ansem: Seeker of Darkness (Before demise in KH1 or Chain of Memories)

Xigbar (Before demise in KH2)

Saix (Before demise in KH2)

Terranort (Before becoming only a heart to Time Travel)

 

Time travel explains why Terranort can exist in the same time as Xemnas and Ansem: SoD

 

I understand the time travel part of it. Im not confused on that or anything. I mean the current form of Terra. After Ansem and Xemnas where defeated. But if he was talking about the old Terranort that wouldn't leave them 3 Guardians short either.

 

That doesnt mean a thing when Vens heart location HASNT been confirmed to be known period..Also how can he be a usablle light if hes not in his body ? Even to be a light he still needs rescued . Still makes no sense..MX also straight up says Terra became his vessel.

 

Welll obviously he will be a light because Sora got away. Im not saying Master Xehanort wants to use Ven. You may not get what i am getting at. It is all just theory. I am not saying anything for sure and I don't have hard evidence saying Master Xehanort knows about Ven. But he does seem know know a lot of crap. Yes, Terra was a vessel in birth by sleep. Before Xehanort split himself and became ansem and Xemnas. But I don't think he was a vessel in the same sense that Saix and Xigbar are. He put his hole heart in Terra so that basically became Xehanort with a new body. Everyone else only gets pieces. But what happend to Terra when Master Xehanort became hole again is the real question.

 

First of all you should know that the nort' were trolling him for the entire game. Nomura confirmed that abandoning the self is another way to fall to darkness. By preying on the fact that Sora draws his powers from the connections he has drew to other hearts, the orgnization hoped to tempt Sora's heart.

 

Why did Xehanort and co. word things as if to try and wake Ventus who is inside Sora?

Nomura: They did so in order to tempt Sora’s heart and have it fall to the darkness. In the story it also talks about how abandoning the self leads to losing the heart. When you see Vanitas (the dark half of Ventus who appeared in KHBBS) overlay Young Xehanort for a moment, that represents Ventus’ heart reacting inside Sora.

http://kh13.com/foru...ely-translated/

 

 

 

 

 

It was never confirmed that any of them knew that Ven's heart was inside Sora they may have guessed because of Roxas and Xion but they couldn't have known for sure.

 

Number two Master Xehanort straight up confirmed that only three lights were missing(4:15). One was Sora who he was about to implant, one was Terra who he already possesed, and then there was the seventh light who had yet to show itself. Master Xehanort directly states that Terra was already his vessel (2:29) , you can't argue or deny this.

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIJ-3Xiet0&feature=relmfu

 

 

Read what she says before you post, she obviously knew this.

 

That sounds to me he was talking about how Terra was his vessel previously in BBS. That vessel was broken when Xehanort Split his heart from his body and became Ansem and Xemnes. Than Ansem and Xemnes where defeated so Master Xehanort became hole again. Sense he has taken the form of the old man Master Xehanort something must have happend with Terra's body and it is possible he could have reformed to. Master Xehanort doesn't seem (to me) to be refering to the current time period of Terra.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I understand the time travel part of it. Im not confused on that or anything. I mean the current form of Terra. After Ansem and Xemnas where defeated. But if he was talking about the old Terranort that wouldn't leave them 3 Guardians short either.

 

 

 

Welll obviously he will be a light because Sora got away. Im not saying Master Xehanort wants to use Ven. You may not get what i am getting at. It is all just theory. I am not saying anything for sure and I don't have hard evidence saying Master Xehanort knows about Ven. But he does seem know know a lot of crap. Yes, Terra was a vessel in birth by sleep. Before Xehanort split himself and became ansem and Xemnas. But I don't think he was a vessel in the same sense that Saix and Xigbar are. He put his hole heart in Terra so that basically became Xehanort with a new body. Everyone else only gets pieces. But what happend to Terra when Master Xehanort became hole again is the real question.

 

 

Did you read my posts or Deverauxrs post ? MX straight up CONFIRMS Terra became his vessel and still 'belongs' to him making him a darkness.. He posted the video proof.Whether Terra had a whole heart ( which he did ) or a piece like Saix/Xigbar is moot. Either way they are vessels and a darkness.Terra still needs rescued bc he still 'belongs" to MX as MX stated. I dont think YOU are getting what Im saying or what other people have tried telling you . Even IF he knew where Vens heart was its moot bc he needs Vens body to claim Ven was even present whether as a light or darkness. He doesnt know where vens body is .Nor does ANYONE else except Aqua. My other point also being its never been confirmed or even said MX does know vens hearts location .

[Zenithia 305]

tutti frutti. I would think that if Terra wasn't really among the 13 Darkness, then I would think that Xehanort would have a short number of members for the New Organization. I kind of think that he knows, it not have a solid idea on, where Ven's heart is. Xehanort seems to have a more solid grasp on things than Mickey and the others. I more so believe that Xehanort would have more than likely had YMX possibly pretend to use Sora as the last vessel of the New Organization as a way to further his plans. Xehanort seemed far too calm when Mickey and co. came to help Sora, which I more so think was something to throw them off.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I understand the time travel part of it. Im not confused on that or anything. I mean the current form of Terra. After Ansem and Xemnas where defeated. But if he was talking about the old Terranort that wouldn't leave them 3 Guardians short either.

 

 

 

Welll obviously he will be a light because Sora got away. Im not saying Master Xehanort wants to use Ven. You may not get what i am getting at. It is all just theory. I am not saying anything for sure and I don't have hard evidence saying Master Xehanort knows about Ven. But he does seem know know a lot of crap. Yes, Terra was a vessel in birth by sleep. Before Xehanort split himself and became ansem and Xemnas. But I don't think he was a vessel in the same sense that Saix and Xigbar are. He put his hole heart in Terra so that basically became Xehanort with a new body. Everyone else only gets pieces. But what happend to Terra when Master Xehanort became hole again is the real question.

 

Even if he did know it was there your point still does not make sense. MX needs vessels not hearts why would he refer to ven as being on his side if he only had his heart.

 

Also Xemnas is the shared nobody of Terra and MX, Ansem is the shared heartless of Terra and MX. When both were defeated the revived sombody is going to being MX commanding Terra's body. He probably appears as the old man because his heart has fully engulfed Terra's heart, this would give him the appearance of the old man and the strength of a younger body.

 

tutti frutti. I would think that if Terra wasn't really among the 13 Darkness, then I would think that Xehanort would have a short number of members for the New Organization. I kind of think that he knows, it not have a solid idea on, where Ven's heart is. Xehanort seems to have a more solid grasp on things than Mickey and the others. I more so believe that Xehanort would have more than likely had YMX possibly pretend to use Sora as the last vessel of the New Organization as a way to further his plans. Xehanort seemed far too calm when Mickey and co. came to help Sora, which I more so think was something to throw them off.

 

I doubt this Sora was already the back up, for the back up why would MX pretend he was the thirteenth vessel that makes no sense he was already running low on options which is why he picked Sora. Also the reason why Master Xehanort was so calm when his friends came to help was because he was positive that Sora was going to be implanted. He made a point of showing this by saying that Sora was already on his side and that was even before he even attempted to implant him. Edited August 16, 2012 by devereauxr

[Blake 776]

I think Xehanort knows that ROXAS is Sora's nobody, who returned to his heart, therefore they should have an idea that someone is trapped in Sora's heart. Plus since Ven is probably going to wake up, Vanitas may or may not come with him, so Xehanort should still have a use for his heart. But thats just me

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think Xehanort knows that ROXAS is Sora's nobody, who returned to his heart, therefore they should have an idea that someone is trapped in Sora's heart. Plus since Ven is probably going to wake up, Vanitas may or may not come with him, so Xehanort should still have a use for his heart. But thats just me

 

Our point is its never been confirmed if he knows . Regardless its still moot .He needs Vens body for any of that to occur..Therefore he doesnt have ven as a darkness when he doesnt even have a body for a vessel.

[hatok 6,413]

Terranort is almost definitely one of the Xehanorts.

Xehanort probably didn't refer to Ventus because as is, the heroes still don't know where he is. Or he's just assuming they'll find a way to get him back.

As far as Xehanort is concerned, Terra isn't salvageable, but he doesn't know about Ven.

[Demyx. 10,064]

Did you read my posts or Deverauxrs post ? MX straight up CONFIRMS Terra became his vessel and still 'belongs' to him making him a darkness.. He posted the video proof.Whether Terra had a whole heart ( which he did ) or a piece like Saix/Xigbar is moot. Either way they are vessels and a darkness.Terra still needs rescued bc he still 'belongs" to MX as MX stated. I dont think YOU are getting what Im saying or what other people have tried telling you . Even IF he knew where Vens heart was its moot bc he needs Vens body to claim Ven was even present whether as a light or darkness. He doesnt know where vens body is .Nor does ANYONE else except Aqua. My other point also being its never been confirmed or even said MX does know vens hearts location .

 

Like I said it's just a theory. I get all of that. And I've seen the video, I've played the game and I just watched it again when it was posted. He doesn't directly say my vessel from before belongs to me now. he says sora and another on your list belong to me now. It seems to me when he was talking about terra it was in past tense. and I dont know why you keep mentioning vens body. It has nothing to do with what I am saying

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That sounds to me he was talking about how Terra was his vessel previously in BBS. That vessel was broken when Xehanort Split his heart from his body and became Ansem and Xemnes. Than Ansem and Xemnes where defeated so Master Xehanort became hole again. Sense he has taken the form of the old man Master Xehanort something must have happend with Terra's body and it is possible he could have reformed to. Master Xehanort doesn't seem (to me) to be refering to the current time period of Terra.

 

UMMM AX is Terras body with Terras heart merged with MXs.. Xemnas and Ansem are SHARED nobody/heartless of both Terra and MX... So even reviving, Terra is still in that vessel somewhere . What are you trying to say ?

 

Like I said it's just a theory. I get all of that. And I've seen the video, I've played the game and I just watched it again when it was posted. He doesn't directly say my vessel from before belongs to me now. he says sora and another on your list belong to me now. It seems to me when he was talking about terra it was in past tense. and I dont know why you keep mentioning vens body. It has nothing to do with what I am saying

 

 

BC Mickey goes down the list of lights ..Mickey, Sora, Riku , and his 3 lost friends...Mx then says two BELONG to him .. Since Ven and Aqua dont BELONG to him it leaves only Terra .

[Blake 776]

Our point is its never been confirmed if he knows . Regardless its still moot .He needs Vens body for any of that to occur..Therefore he doesnt have ven as a darkness when he doesnt even have a body for a vessel.

 

Xemnas knows. Also Sora has darkness in his heart (been known since sexy-ace anti-form) and Vanitas is still a think, who is in Ven's heart probably.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Xemnas knows. Also Sora has darkness in his heart (been known since sexy-ace anti-form) and Vanitas is still a think, who is in Ven's heart probably.

 

 

Xemnas couldnt FIND him ..He tried and couldnt .Did you not read this mentioned earlier in this thread ? Only Aqua can find him so MX still doesnt have him or can even obtain him .You cant split a body you dont have .