KH3D [Spoilers] "Destiny" mechanics

[Cactuar 21]

Basis of time travel in Kingdom Hearts universe:

>You have to be just a heart to time travel.

>You can only travel to a time and space where another version of you is present.

>Once on your destination, you can only move foward on time, whatever that means.

>Time is immutable (so there must be some smart use to it or a lot of paradoxal loops).

>If someone from the past goes to the future, once back to the past his future memories will vanish, but his heart will keep track of it somehow, guiding the person blindly to grow up and time travel "again".

 

Speculation:

>The form that travels back to the past is able to warp his other selves to the future, whithout the need of them to leave their bodies (Xemnas was there and he is more body than anything).

 

Is a paradox part of destiny?

 

So, if the "time is immutable" and Young Xehanort's departure from Destiny Islands to seek for another worlds is caused by subliminar instincts his heart kept from being warped into the future by his future cloaked-heart form (KH1 Ansem), this is a paradox meant to be?

Or was there some beta timeline where he turned into evil bald man without his future self beeing a bad influence?

 

Young Xehanort said he said everything he knew to Sora, if he didn't, then he is lying or being fooled. There must be more rules to time travel other than the ones we saw on DDD, or it doesn't make sense.

 

Even if it was everything a loop, a destiny for the Xehanorts to gather everyone and Sora by the end of DDD, didn't they fail? I mean, Sora didn't turn into a vessel and everyone just went back to the past and will forever act to reunite there again and not convert Sora.

 

The present Xehanort will have to do some other time magic to bring everyone back again, it doesn't really make much sense in a way or another.

I guess he wants to exploit it, even if it's temporary to forge the original X-Blade and open Kingdom Hearts, once that is done I think he can shape space and time to his will.

Edited August 16, 2012 by Cactuar

[hatok 6,413]

Don't forget that the rules could be wrong, mistaken, or could vary. KH hasn't shied away from having facts from previous games being complete misconceptions in future ones (Nobodys growing hearts comes to mind)

[Cactuar 21]

  On 8/16/2012 at 5:37 AM, 'hatok' said:

Don't forget that the rules could be wrong, mistaken, or could vary. KH hasn't shied away from having facts from previous games being complete misconceptions in future ones (Nobodys growing hearts comes to mind)

 

I agree,as I said there must be more explanations about the time travel mechanics. These rules are not enough to make sense.

[Oniaku 280]

  On 8/16/2012 at 5:37 AM, 'hatok' said:

Don't forget that the rules could be wrong, mistaken, or could vary. KH hasn't shied away from having facts from previous games being complete misconceptions in future ones (Nobodys growing hearts comes to mind)

 

Ansem not actually being Ansem also comes to mind. Also, what the hell was up with that? The only reason i can think of for doing that is that they thought the name Xehanort would work better for that guy.

[hatok 6,413]

  On 8/16/2012 at 7:34 AM, 'Oniaku' said:

Ansem not actually being Ansem also comes to mind. Also, what the hell was up with that? The only reason i can think of for doing that is that they thought the name Xehanort would work better for that guy.

 

I'd imagine that after KH sold well enough to green light a sequel, Nomura started thinking up the multiple forms thing and realized it wouldn't work (In KH1, isn't Ansem referenced as the ruler of Radiant Garden, and Ansem SoD treated as that Ansem?)

[AxelRoxasXionKH 105]

  On 8/16/2012 at 7:36 AM, 'hatok' said:

I'd imagine that after KH sold well enough to green light a sequel, Nomura started thinking up the multiple forms thing and realized it wouldn't work (In KH1, isn't Ansem referenced as the ruler of Radiant Garden, and Ansem SoD treated as that Ansem?)

 

well they speak of an Ansem as the ruler.

and Sora most definatly thought the Ansem he fought was that Ansem.

But Leon and the rest never saw that Ansem, only Sora and Riku (plus Donald and Goofy) saw that Ansem.

So it's not like Leon or so ever recognized him as the wise ruler Ansem,.

[Cactuar 21]

We must remember that there was time travel on Kingdom Hearts 2 too and Sora did not left his body behind in order to do so (neither Donald, Goofy or Peete).

Merlin, who allowed them to time travel with his magic powers also trained Lea in DDD with time magic in some sort of Dragon Ball Z room where time is slower than in the real world.

 

We "know" now that past can not be changed, but time travels can still make a mess of things. I just realize a proof of theory, Xehanort's heart and KH2 characters have gone to the past both kept their memories. So I guess you just lose your memories if you are returning to the past from a trip to the furutre.

[Cactuar 21]

  On 8/16/2012 at 8:44 AM, 'AxelRoxasXionKH' said:

well they speak of an Ansem as the ruler.

and Sora most definatly thought the Ansem he fought was that Ansem.

But Leon and the rest never saw that Ansem, only Sora and Riku (plus Donald and Goofy) saw that Ansem.

So it's not like Leon or so ever recognized him as the wise ruler Ansem,.

 

I guess what hatok is saying, and I agree, is that some stuff were changed from what they were meant to be in order to allow sequels and whatever Nomura wished to add to the plot. It can be notice all around the series, it's not a bad thing, just a trivia. Kingdom Hearts has more than 10 years, so many moments things must have changed from what it's creators wanted it to be at first.

[hatok 6,413]

  On 8/16/2012 at 9:03 AM, 'Cactuar' said:

 

I guess what hatok is saying, and I agree, is that some stuff were changed from what they were meant to be in order to allow sequels and whatever Nomura wished to add to the plot. It can be notice all around the series, it's not a bad thing, just a trivia. Kingdom Hearts has more than 10 years, so many moments things must have changed from what it's creators wanted it to be at first.

 

Don't forget Disney and Square Enix, along with the other writers. Nomura doesn't decide everything after all

[Cactuar 21]

True, I tried to make a reference to the creation as a team in "it's creators", but most of times I gues me and a lot of people just say Nomura for short, and in some way forget that there are too a lot of ppl involved designing the game.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 8/16/2012 at 5:15 AM, 'Cactuar' said:

Even if it was everything a loop, a destiny for the Xehanorts to gather everyone and Sora by the end of DDD, didn't they fail? I mean, Sora didn't turn into a vessel and everyone just went back to the past and will forever act to reunite there again and not convert Sora.

 

Well, about that. It could be that his knowledge only went as far as having Sora in his grasp, but did not extend as far as the events that would transpire in Where Nothing Gathers, and therefor did not foresee any interruptions.

Edited August 16, 2012 by Sora_Kuno

[Roxas_Wagner 174]

If someone from the past use time travel for the future,when he return,he forget everything.

Well,what about happen ther reverse?If someone from the future time travel back in time?It will forget when he return?

[Silent Fantasy 43]

^ No. They will remember due to the memory and knowledge of the past already being there and experienced.

[Henne 150]

  On 8/16/2012 at 6:34 PM, 'Silent Fantasy' said:

^ No. They will remember due to the memory and knowledge of the past already being there and experienced.

 

And what is with the self in the past? It seems strange that YX cannot remember meeting is heartless self when it came to the past. Sure, you could say that YX would forget it but time does stil flow when these two interact, right?

[Silent Fantasy 43]

Who said he forgot atall?

[Cactuar 21]

Now that you said self past, Sora didn't have a past version of himself when he time traveled to the black and white past of Disney castle's world. That is against the "rules", so I think he have munny, screw them there must be exceptions and more nonsense magical explanations to time travel.