KH3D Spoilers! Organization XIII

[Critter 8]

If anyone else has started this, send me a link. To those who haven't finished the game and do not want to be spoiled, avert your eyes! lol Anyway, here's the question. The members of the new Organization XIII are basically Xehanorts from different time periods and people with parts of him inside them (i.e. Xigbar and Saix). The thing I'm having diffuculty understanding is how he intends to keep this organization whole if some of the members are himself from different time periods. When they disappear, they return to their time periods to resume their lives in the timeline. If that's true, then Xehanort's plan is ruined. He would have to make some kind of paradox to bring his past selves back without disrupting the timeline of said past selves. And as Doc Brown from Back to the Future would say, a paradox can destroy the entire universe (a little something to look forward to in KH3, perhaps?). Any other thoughts on how that "old coot" would keep the new Organization XIII whole?

 

To those who suggest they are from an alternate timeline, here's another question: Why do they have to return to their original places in the timeline if they're from an alternate timeline?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

You do know they return to their original timelines at the exact moment they left without the memories of what happened and go on to live out their destined fates ?

[Master Juan 574]

Basically, Ansem went back in time to the Young Xehanort, however, the game depicts MAster Xehanort, the one from BBS as being the most future self, when in reality it would have to have been Ansem since they cannot see the future, meaning they can't get any older Xehanorts and the oldest one would have to be the one that goes back. Therefore the events with the Xehanort have already happened and nothing is changing, since they are returned to the exact moment in which they left. Why they have to return at that certain time is unknown, for Nomura logic is filled with plot holes when it comes to time travel... But yeah even if they do manage to defeat xehanort he could still keep coming back, which is a major plot hole, unless they go back in time and kill him as Young Xehanort.... dude i don't know what Nomura is gonna do but he'll probably end up altering his logic in the next game somehow...

Edited August 15, 2012 by Master Juan

[SquareSora 133]

well when they are defeated they lose all memory or whats happened in that timeline and just do what fate has planned out for them

[Critter 8]

You do know they return to their original timelines at the exact moment they left without the memories of what happened and go on to live out their destined fates ?

 

But what happens after that? Does he bring the members back and revive their memories? Otherwise, he'll have to get more members in the present the same way he did to Xigbar and Saix.

[LunarMadness 79]

I mean, it's time travel. It never makes sense.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

But what happens after that? Does he bring the members back and revive their memories? Otherwise, he'll have to get more members in the present the same way he did to Xigbar and Saix.

 

Thats the plan..Its like a never ending loop.. YMX will just go gather them again.

[Zenithia 305]

tutti frutti. I would think that for whatever reason, YMX, if not one of the countless forms of Xehanorts, would have been able to somehow bypass the rules of traveling through time in the KH universe. When traveling through time, I don't doubt that those involved, there will be at least one individual who will find that loophole to better further their goals in what they are trying to achieve. Another possibility of mine is that everything could have been laid out ahead of time, to where somebody else could have wanted Xehanort to start another Keyblade War. I'm still iffy about the "precepts" that Eraqus mentioned in BBS that could be a part of this since we know virtually nothing about them, outside of Eraqus mentioning that they bar knowledge from others. It could be possible that they hold abilities/powers that are among the highest possible levels in the series. It could also be possible that Xehanort, if not Ansem, had set it up to where the New Organization would appear during KH3D and after, since Xehanort and the others seemed far too composed when Riku and the others appeared to help Sora.

[Critter 8]

tutti frutti. I would think that for whatever reason, YMX, if not one of the countless forms of Xehanorts, would have been able to somehow bypass the rules of traveling through time in the KH universe. When traveling through time, I don't doubt that those involved, there will be at least one individual who will find that loophole to better further their goals in what they are trying to achieve. Another possibility of mine is that everything could have been laid out ahead of time, to where somebody else could have wanted Xehanort to start another Keyblade War. I'm still iffy about the "precepts" that Eraqus mentioned in BBS that could be a part of this since we know virtually nothing about them, outside of Eraqus mentioning that they bar knowledge from others. It could be possible that they hold abilities/powers that are among the highest possible levels in the series. It could also be possible that Xehanort, if not Ansem, had set it up to where the New Organization would appear during KH3D and after, since Xehanort and the others seemed far too composed when Riku and the others appeared to help Sora.

 

What "precepts"? You mean special tricks that only masters know like Eraqus telling Aqua how to change the appearance of their world into Castle Oblivion?

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Thats the plan..Its like a never ending loop.. YMX will just go gather them again.

 

That's totally illogical D: duuuuuh I hate Time Travels and Other Universe stuff things uaks ~.~

 

If this meeting of the 13 Norty Guys in KH3D didn't cause anything, than it's unnecessary .... I mean, all Thirteen Nortys have to be in KH3, or not?

Nomura, Y U so illogical

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That's totally illogical D: duuuuuh I hate Time Travels and Other Universe stuff things uaks ~.~

 

If this meeting of the 13 Norty Guys in KH3D didn't cause anything, than it's unnecessary .... I mean, all Thirteen Nortys have to be in KH3, or not?

Nomura, Y U so illogical

 

IKR I hate time travel too...Nomura WHY ??? lolz

[LunarMadness 79]

IKR I hate time travel too...Nomura WHY ??? lolz

 

I think he's just messing with us at this point... Hearts, Dreams, Time, Friends, Nothingness, Darkness, Light, In-Between(ness?), Worlds, Dimensions *head asplode*

[Zenithia 305]

What "precepts"? You mean special tricks that only masters know like Eraqus telling Aqua how to change the appearance of their world into Castle Oblivion?

 

tutti frutti. No, not any special moves. In BBS, Eraqus mentions "precepts" when he is talking to Xehanort. Listen to the first 15 seconds of the clip below and you will hear Eraqus saying, "Xehanort, wait. There is a reason the 'precepts' bar us from such knowledge..." By the way that Eraqus had toned and stated that, at least to me, I had always believed that the precepts were, at the very least, those that have kept important information, if not those of a higher order. Don't know if you have played The Legend of Zelda games, but kind of like the 6 Sages of that series, but in turn they don't release important information for their own reasons. Though in a sense, I believe at the very least that we may see them in the future, since I still have that feeling that Nomura may have included that for a major part of the story and to see how many people may have noticed that.

 

http://kh13.com/videos/bbs/fm-cut/179-flashback-the-keyblade-masters/

[Critter 8]

You know when I read YMX's profile as being from an alternate timeline, I thought that this series would involve parallel dimensions or something like that. That would be less confusing than time travel, I admit.

[Rinax 473]

When time travel was added to Kingdom Hearts, everything screwed up.

[LunarMadness 79]

When time travel was added to Kingdom Hearts, everything screwed up.

 

Yeah, time travel should just never be used... it just can't be properly comprehended.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Yeah, time travel should just never be used... it just can't be properly comprehended.

 

When time travel was added to Kingdom Hearts, everything screwed up.

 

I don't think so. Even though I don't like Time Travels, I think it takes KH to an higher lvl of its own understanding I always liked the complexity of the KH universe, and now and even bigger part is added. FFXIII-2 showed me that Time Travels can be very exciting

[Critter 8]

I don't think so. Even though I don't like Time Travels, I think it takes KH to an higher lvl of its own understanding I always liked the complexity of the KH universe, and now and even bigger part is added. FFXIII-2 showed me that Time Travels can be very exciting

 

I agree, as long as it makes sense.

[SnowpointQuincy 11]

Why is Sora needed as a 13th member? The whole point of time traveling was to have 13 time travel copies of MX. Then why can't he just get another copy of himself from five minutes in the past to sit there instead of Sora? Not involving Sora would have given MX a better chance to succseed, because all the heros would never have know he was doing anything. Right?

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Why is Sora needed as a 13th member? The whole point of time traveling was to have 13 time travel copies of MX. Then why can't he just get another copy of himself from five minutes in the past to sit there instead of Sora? Not involving Sora would have given MX a better chance to succseed, because all the heros would never have know he was doing anything. Right?

 

Xehanort admitted that Sora nearly foiled his plans Twice, so I think since KH1 he wanted to get him on the dark Side (lol) to be sure, this ordinary guy couldn't get in his way anymore (instead he would be on his side... Would be pretty practically) ... We saw that Xion's purpose was to be a Sora-Copy ... I think this was also for the 13 Xehanorts ~