KH3D Vanitas in DDD (Spoilers Possibile)

[projecttank 15]

Yeah that was the origin. The Isa/Lea plot arc is really interesting to me.

 

Wouldn't be cool if last minute he tries to ruin Xehanort's plan? (Unfortunately most likely a failed attempt, but he might just do something very good) I can see it has happening, and I'd rather seem him try to betray him rather than some Xigbar betrayal theories (Xigbar may be a jerk, but even he should have some loyalty principles)

[LunarMadness 79]

Wouldn't be cool if last minute he tries to ruin Xehanort's plan? (Unfortunately most likely a failed attempt, but he might just do something very good) I can see it has happening, and I'd rather seem him try to betray him rather than some Xigbar betrayal theories (Xigbar may be a jerk, but even he should have some loyalty principles)

 

I expect Isa Redemption.

 

Xigbar is basically MX's right hand man. He won't betray him.

[projecttank 15]

I expect Isa Redemption.

 

Xigbar is basically MX's right hand man. He won't betray him.

 

What I'm more interested in is just how he's already half Xehanort, and I'm a little confused about their naming, even though they're back to normal they're still referred to as their Nobody names, is it possibly because they accepted that personality over their original? But Braig is hardly different at all, maybe it's just because it's what Sora and Riku first knew them as.

[LunarMadness 79]

What I'm more interested in is just how he's already half Xehanort, and I'm a little confused about their naming, even though they're back to normal they're still referred to as their Nobody names, is it possibly because they accepted that personality over their original? But Braig is hardly different at all, maybe it's just because it's what Sora and Riku first knew them as.

 

Could be wrong but I think they're both plucked out of the past. So they actually aren't Braig OR Isa.

[projecttank 15]

Could be wrong but I think they're both plucked out of the past. So they actually aren't Braig OR Isa.

 

Idk, they were missing in the present, but maybe they'll use both their Nobody and human counterparts to double the number of them in the 13 darknesses, so far the only confirmed are Xehanort, Xigbar, Saix, YX, apparently Terra's body, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas.

[LunarMadness 79]

Idk, they were missing in the present, but maybe they'll use both their Nobody and human counterparts to double the number of them in the 13 darknesses, so far the only confirmed are Xehanort, Xigbar, Saix, YX, apparently Terra's body, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas.

 

Terra's body isn't confirmed, I don't think.

[projecttank 15]

Terra's body isn't confirmed, I don't think.

 

It is and isn't, Xehanort claims to have him in possession but Mickey still believes they have him.

[BehemothSteve 4]

Eraqus isn't dead. He's inside Terra's heart. Xion is also not dead, she simply merged back into Sora with Roxas, where she was meant to be.

 

Not trying to start an argument or anything, but Vanitas fades away exactly the same way Eraqus does... if we assume that Eraqus didn't actually die and went to Terra, than we pretty much have to assume Vanitas did the same thing with Ventus. Vanitas also fades onto Ven's platform and fixes it. I think it's more of a stretch to assume Vanitas is dead than Eraqus. Just a thought.

[LunarMadness 79]

 

 

Not trying to start an argument or anything, but Vanitas fades away exactly the same way Eraqus does... if we assume that Eraqus didn't actually die and went to Terra, than we pretty much have to assume Vanitas did the same thing with Ventus. Vanitas also fades onto Ven's platform and fixes it. I think it's more of a stretch to assume Vanitas is dead than Eraqus. Just a thought.

 

Actually, there IS a difference. Terra caught Eraqus as he fell and Eraqus vanished similar to how Kairi did in Kingdom Hearts... Vanitas however faded without being able to grab the X-blade AND the Unversed also were eradicated which emphasizes his death.

[Kirux 1,224]

I personally had always gathered from the end of Ven's story was that he had trapped Vanitas in his heart again, which is why he is sleeping. Perhaps I'm a crazy person?

 

So in my understanding, Vanitas is in Ven who is in Sora. I also think that whenever ven is woken up, Sora's going to mess something up and Vanitas is going to be free as well and fill the 13th seat on MX's side.

 

Also, I just want Haley Joel Osmet to have a conversation with himself. Through in a revived Roxas and Ven at the same time and HJO and Jesse McCartney can have a 20 minute long cutscene just talking to themselves and each other.

[LunarMadness 79]

I personally had always gathered from the end of Ven's story was that he had trapped Vanitas in his heart again, which is why he is sleeping. Perhaps I'm a crazy person?

 

So in my understanding, Vanitas is in Ven who is in Sora. I also think that whenever ven is woken up, Sora's going to mess something up and Vanitas is going to be free as well and fill the 13th seat on MX's side.

 

Also, I just want Haley Joel Osmet to have a conversation with himself. Through in a revived Roxas and Ven at the same time and HJO and Jesse McCartney can have a 20 minute long cutscene just talking to themselves and each other.

 

The reason I don't believe this theory (personally) is because the Unversed ceased to exist, directly because of Vanitas' death. To me that means he was eradicated and not just assimilated.

[Kirux 1,224]

Vanitas was willfully making the unversed from the negativity he was feeling. If you're subdued and locked away, you can't actively make anything anymore. Also, its not like KH enemy logic makes sense. If nobodies are made from the empty husks of people when heartess take their hearts, shouldn't we have been fighting nobodies in KHI as well? We didn't go to just about any of the worlds from BBS in other games besides Radiant Garden (terranort probably kept them at bay before it was consumed by darkness) and Disney Castle(Mickey and Minnie would have taken care of them), so how do we know those worlds weren't still over run with unversed before they were plunged into darkness?

[schlosserm 8]

Terra's body isn't confirmed, I don't think.

 

I think that is very possible, not for nothing XH is in his old body (i knew he mentioned Terra as his vessel), but probably something went wrong so he had to return to his old body (due to the meddling of Eraqus in the end of bbs), and use Terra's body as a puppet... one of the darkness.

[LunarMadness 79]

I think that is very possible, not for nothing XH is in his old body (i knew he mentioned Terra as his vessel), but probably something went wrong so he had to return to his old body (due to the meddling of Eraqus in the end of bbs), and use Terra's body as a puppet... one of the darkness.

 

I didn't think of the whole "plucked from the past" thing which is probably what he did.

[Kirux 1,224]

I didn't think of the whole "plucked from the past" thing which is probably what he did.

 

Time travel strikes again.

[LunarMadness 79]

Time travel strikes again.

 

It's retconning everything.

The retcons in 3D totally ruined all of the drama in the KHII plot. Which legitimately bothers me.

[Kirux 1,224]

Not all of the drama, plus I always thought the main drama of KHII was finding Riku?

Edited August 15, 2012 by Kirux

[LunarMadness 79]

Not all of the drama, plus I always thought the main drama of KHII was finding Riku?

 

Of the "plot". As in the Organization, their quest, and all that. The retcons in this game ruined the drama of it.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Vanitas was willfully making the unversed from the negativity he was feeling. If you're subdued and locked away, you can't actively make anything anymore. Also, its not like KH enemy logic makes sense. If nobodies are made from the empty husks of people when heartess take their hearts, shouldn't we have been fighting nobodies in KHI as well? We didn't go to just about any of the worlds from BBS in other games besides Radiant Garden (terranort probably kept them at bay before it was consumed by darkness) and Disney Castle(Mickey and Minnie would have taken care of them), so how do we know those worlds weren't still over run with unversed before they were plunged into darkness?

 

You do know when a nobody ( even a dusk) is born they are born into a world in the in-between , right ? Like twilight town and traverse town and such .Just sayin' Also Vanitas also UNWILLINGLY made unversed as well as willingly

Edited August 15, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Kirux 1,224]

Of the "plot". As in the Organization, their quest, and all that. The retcons in this game ruined the drama of it.

 

Not all of the Org, only Xemnas and Xigbar, they're the only ones who now has ulterior motives for what they're doing. The rest of the were legitly trying to get their hearts back. Plus, the two of them you don't have *that* much interaction with until the end. I suppose it kills (/shotshotshot) the drama of Axel's death knowing he comes back. But that's always going to be sad.

 

Also.

 

I wonder why Sora himself doesn't look like Ven, seeing as Ven's heart had taken shelter in Sora's heart once before, when he was very young/just born. it was ven's heart AFTER vanitas had been removed as well. I also want to know where Ventus originated from, seeing as MX abandonded him in the land of departure.

[LunarMadness 79]

You do know when a nobody ( even a dusk) is born they are born into a world in the in-between , right ? Like twilight town and traverse town and such .Just sayin'

 

Or The World That Never Was.

 

But yeah. Sora became a Heartless in Hollow Bastion, but Roxas showed up in Twilight Town at birth.

[Kirux 1,224]

You do know when a nobody ( even a dusk) is born they are born into a world in the in-between , right ? Like twilight town and traverse town and such .Just sayin' Also Vanitas also UNWILLINGLY made unversed as well as willingly

 

Yes, I do...which makes me want to know why Travers Town didn't have any nobodies. Heck one of the first scenes in KHI is a heartless taking a guys heart from his chest RIGHT in front of Sora. Plot Hole.

Edited August 15, 2012 by Kirux

[LunarMadness 79]

Not all of the Org, only Xemnas and Xigbar, they're the only ones who now has ulterior motives for what they're doing. The rest of the were legitly trying to get their hearts back. Plus, the two of them you don't have *that* much interaction with until the end. I suppose it kills (/shotshotshot) the drama of Axel's death knowing he comes back. But that's always going to be sad.

 

No, Nobodies can regenerate hearts remember? So their motives are pointless. Xehanort's play wasn't too become a god using Kingdom Hearts but to possess everybody. And it makes all of the Nobodies efforts to attain Kingdom Hearts just seem especially... pointless.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Or The World That Never Was.

 

But yeah. Sora became a Heartless in Hollow Bastion, but Roxas showed up in Twilight Town at birth.

 

Thats why i said ' and such ' ..I didnt want to list every single in between world.. Theres also CO and other places

[LunarMadness 79]

Yes, I do...which makes me want to know why Travers Town didn't have any nobodies. Heck one of the first scenes in KHI is a heartless taking a guys heart from his chest RIGHT in front of Sora. Plot Hole.

 

It's a minor one though.