KH3D Axel and other Nobodies (Maybe Spoilers?)

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Lea probably has the cloak on bc he and Isa became nobodies AFTER the apprentices who by then all knew they would need it once they were nobodies.So they put it on them BEFORE it happened. Since they were suppose to revive in the lab as well that means they were experimented on voluntarily or not ( I believe not .I think they were caught sneaking in the castle again and were then forced)

 

Saix's X is obviously a recusant sigil since its a giant X and he is a NORT now .. Any other vessels recusant sigils may be located in other not so visible places.. Not to mention their Xs in their names as INTENDED vessels for the other apprentices.. Nomura did say that nobodies had subtle differences and some werent in obvious places so that explains some differences like in Axel . ..Obviously Namine and Roxas and even Xemnas are noted to be 'special " though.

 

Braig was implanted back in BBS guys . He was turned after the Terra fight somewhere

Edited August 12, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Kirux 1,224]

If the body returns to how it was at the time of being made into a Nobody, than Lea must have gotten those marks/tattoos while he was still Axel. This is also why everyone else is in their normal clothing; it's what they were wearing in the cutscene in the very beginning when Terranort (I'm sorry 'Ansem') unlocked their original hearts. This *does* bring into question why Axel was brought back in the black coat and why he was brought back in Radiant Garden in front of Tron's portal when, in the first cutscene in DreamDrop, the only people to be seen there are Braig, Even, and Ienzo.

 

In BBS, Lea and Isa were headed to the castle as kids, I was never sure why but maybe this would explain why Lea is wearing the black coat when he wakes up. Whatever he was doing there in the first place, might have had him wearing that robe. Also, if you had just recently died in the middle of a dark corridor as a being that knew it had no heart, or in truth little heart, when you wake up in a castle you lived in growing up with funny feeling stirring around in your chest that feels like...feelings, I think one as smart as Lea would figure out he's human. I would also assume it's just one of things a being can sense, being complete or not.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Kirux

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Did you forgot that Hollow Bastion was swalloed by darkness? Maybe at that time he needed to be protect and wore this Coat, after that he was turned into a Nobody by Xehanort.

 

 

I don't want to quote everything, so I just answer at nearly all the facts in this Topic

 

First, everything what you said made me think:

Lea has no Tear-Marks as a Somebody -> I think the reason is: because he made them as a Nobody

 

Then I thought about Saix' scar... It's an "X" as you know... We know since KH3D this "X" is a sigil for the Organisation to locate someone, or maybe even "control" someone. We know Saix had a plan together with Axel. What I want to say is just a bit imagination of my own, but... What if, after Hollow Bastion got swallowed by darkness Lea and Isa were about to Join the Organisation freely, got the Coats and THEN they got turned into Nobodys. But as we know both of them were not really Bad Persons, so they got a Plan for themselves, as we saw in KH days... Later (somewhere between BbS and KH2), Saix got this Sigil of the Organisation, because he wanted to be the second Leader, right after Xemnas... To make sure that Saix won't betray them, they made him this Sigil-Scar o: At this point, he was Introduced in the Real Plan, with 13 Xehanorts and saw that he could have a great Power... He agreed and became a Half-Nort... And then Axel made himself this Marks in his face, the reason should be clear... He "lost" his Friend ...

 

That would be TOO awesome...

 

Just by the way, don't you think they got their "X"-Names because the whole Organisation should become a Xehanort? Most of you are writing something like, they got it 'cause they turned into Nobodys. If it's true (my version of the X-Names) then Saix = Isa(nort) and Xigbar = Braig(nort) ...

 

Axel and Saix had those marks from the start apparently thats why Lea noted he was human again when they were gone . They BOTH were planning a rebellion against the organization bc they thought Xemnas wasnt really gonna give them their hearts back. They didnt agree to his plan from the very beginning at all.. Also they were CONSTANTLY trying to figure out what Xemnas was really up to. Braig is the only one who knew Xemnas' plan.

[Kirux 1,224]

Axel and Saix had those marks from the start apparently thats why Lea noted he was human again when they were gone . They BOTH were planning a rebellion against the organization bc they thought Xemnas wasnt really gonna give them their hearts back. They didnt agree to his plan from the very beginning at all.. Also they were CONSTANTLY trying to figure out what Xemnas was really up to. Braig is the only one who knew Xemnas' plan.

 

I think that changed halfway through Days, when Saix starts changing and Axel calls him out on it. I believe the Saix we see past then, and definitely in KHII has already been Norted and knew the master plan.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Axel and Saix had those marks from the start apparently thats why Lea noted he was human again when they were gone . They BOTH were planning a rebellion against the organization bc they thought Xemnas wasnt really gonna give them their hearts back. They didnt agree to his plan from the very beginning at all.. Also they were CONSTANTLY trying to figure out what Xemnas was really up to. Braig is the only one who knew Xemnas' plan.

 

Did you see them, right after turning into Nobodys? Hollow Bastion got Swallowed by darkness, 9 years before KH1 started. You can't know that :b

But fact is: He knew that he was a Human again, because his Marks were gone -> reason: He got them as a Nobody || That's right. ... But it's impossible to know when he got them

 

And I know that they were scheming something the whole time... I didn't said something else >_> I'm german it's hard to make clear what I want to say in a different language

 

I think that changed halfway through Days, when Saix starts changing and Axel calls him out on it. I believe the Saix we see past then, and definitely in KHII has already been Norted and knew the master plan.

 

^--- Nearly that what I totally meant, it's just better than mine

 

 

Flaming Lea Just think about it. If Saix wouldn't have agreed to the whole 13 Xehanort Plan, he wouldn't have been the 2nd leader... Also he got a part of Xehanorts Heart right before all the other Members.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think that changed halfway through Days, when Saix starts changing and Axel calls him out on it. I believe the Saix we see past then, and definitely in KHII has already been Norted and knew the master plan.

 

No bc they had those marks from the start .Also from the beginning of DAYS. Saix was changing constantly bc he was slowly changing just like Braig/Xigbar. The more he changed the more they didnt see eye to eye. They still had a plot of rebellion from the start. It was only dropped after their friendship broke and Axel went rogue. Yet saix always had the X from the beginning we saw him

 

Did you see them, right after turning into Nobodys? Hollow Bastion got Swallowed by darkness, 9 years before KH1 started. You can't know that :b

But fact is: He knew that he was a Human again, because his Marks were gone -> reason: He got them as a Nobody || That's right. ... But it's impossible to know when he got them

 

And I know that they were scheming something the whole time... I didn't said something else >_> I'm german it's hard to make clear what I want to say in a different language >.

 

 

 

^--- Nearly that what I totally meant, it's just better than mine

 

 

Flaming Lea Just think about it. If Saix wouldn't have agreed to the whole 13 Xehanort Plan, he wouldn't have been the 2nd leader... Also he got a part of Xehanorts Heart right before all the other Members.

 

 

That doesnt mean anything since Saix sent Axel to kill his competition so he could rise to more power. They were planning to rebel against Xemnas. They also were trying to dig up what Xemnas' REAL Plan was. If they already knew they wouldnt need to search for this info.Therefore this makes no sense..They also had those marks from the moment we ever saw them. Thats why Lea notes hes a human again after seeing them gone. Those marks didnt just appear halfway through Days . Think about it.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Henne 150]

If the body returns to how it was at the time of being made into a Nobody, than Lea must have gotten those marks/tattoos while he was still Axel

 

Could it be that Axel's markings are something else that Xehanort has/had planned? It would be too random if it were something else, no?

 

 

Leon said that the world was destroyed 9 years ago - but as we know the castle was still there.

So, it could be that some other people "lived" there as well as... guinea pigs.

 

Weren't there some capsules in KH1 (Hallow Bastion - End of the World)?

[Kirux 1,224]

I never said anything about the marks appearing halfway through Days, lea, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was solely talking about when Saix became norted. I agree that the marks came way before days, in a cutscene we haven't seen yet.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

No bc they had those marks from the start .Also from the beginning of DAYS. Saix was changing constantly bc he was slowly changing just like Braig/Xigbar. The more he changed the more they didnt see eye to eye. They still had a plot of rebellion from the start. It was only dropped after their friendship broke and Axel went rogue. Yet saix always had the X from the beginning we saw him

 

 

 

 

That doesnt mean anything since Saix sent Axel to kill his competition so he could rise to more power. They were planning to rebel against Xemnas.Therefore this makes no sense..They also had those marks from the moment we ever saw them. Thats why Lea notes hes a human again after seeing them gone. Those marks didnt just appear halfway through Days .

 

What do you mean he had the X from the beginning? Where do we see that? I know that these Marks didn't came halfway through Days, but Saix also didn't got Xehanorts Heart halfway through days o.O Both of them must've got them before Days, at a time we still don't know -> You can't know anything about it

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I never said anything about the marks appearing halfway through Days, lea, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was solely talking about when Saix became norted. I agree that the marks came way before days, in a cutscene we haven't seen yet.

 

 

 

I think he was already norted it just takes time.. . They were implanted by a piece of a heart not a whole heart. Therefore it takes time for the norted to gradually become more and more nort..Just like Braig/ xigbar is still only half xehanort and he was implanted over a decade previously. I dont think anyone but Braig knew they were being norted. I dont think Saix ever knew either . He was still trying to figure out what Xemnas was up to and so was Axel so they were planning to rebel. When Saix's norted slf became more and more nort he changed more and more .It wasnt an overnight transition.

 

What do you mean he had the X from the beginning? Where do we see that? I know that these Marks didn't came halfway through Days, but Saix also didn't got Xehanorts Heart halfway through days o.O Both of them must've got them before Days, at a time we still don't know -> You can't know anything about it

 

I said they had the norted features from the start- Saix and Xigbar.. Saying they were already Norted yet Saix and Axel were still planning a rebellion and trying to figure out Xemnas' plan. Therefore it makes no sense to say they agreed with Xemnas nort plan. I didnt say when they got their marks exactly except to say that Lea equivilates losing his marks to also being human again. Think about it

Edited August 12, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[VanitasTheBest 196]

I think he was already norted it just takes time.. . They were implanted by a piece of a heart not a whole heart. Therefore it takes time for the norted to gradually become more and more nort..Just like Braig/ xigbar is still only half xehanort and he was implanted over a decade previously. I dont think anyone but Braig knew they were being norted. I dont think Saix ever knew either . He was still trying to figure out what Xemnas was up to and so was Axel so they were planning to rebel. When Saix's norted slf became more and more nort he changed more and more .It wasnt an overnight transition.

 

How's it possible that someone don't know that he has got a piece of a pitch-black Heart transplanted o_o This would be creepy o.0 And totally Nonsense!!! O: Or do you think Xemnas sneaked into Saix' room, took of his clothes and ... wait ... awkward

[Kirux 1,224]

I think Saix is more conniving than that, and that he had been playing both Axel and Xemnas. Keeping up with both sides just incase one lost. To be honest he seems like the sort of rat bastard to do that. He did send Axel to CO. Sure to eliminate his competitors, but if Axel happened to get taken out too, then Saix still has is fall back plan of teaming up with Xemnas.

 

Also, I don't think having some MX hearts will turn you fully INTO MX, and if I missed that part I apologise. I mean right now in the true Org XIII, we have four different versions of MX, so they don't count, Braig and Isa. Braig boasts about how he's half MX, but as for Isa we're not entirely sure how much of MX's heart he's gotten.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

How's it possible that someone don't know that he has got a piece of a pitch-black Heart transplanted o_o This would be creepy o.0 And totally Nonsense!!! O: Or do you think Xemnas sneaked into Saix' room, took of his clothes and ... wait ... awkward

 

What makes you think any of them knew MX's norted plot? Nomura and Xemnas confirmed he lied to ALL of the apprentices and org members in general about his master plan .NONE of them knew his true intentions except Braig.

[Henne 150]

 

So these tings have nothing to do with it? Prior to DDD I thought Xehanort had used these... capsules(?).

[Kirux 1,224]

So these tings have nothing to do with it? Prior to DDD I thought Xehanort had used these... capsules(?).

 

I thought that was how he made the Heartless. To make a Nobody you need to remove their hearts, and he prolly used his...keyblade? what? i just confused myself so nvm.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think Saix is more conniving than that, and that he had been playing both Axel and Xemnas. Keeping up with both sides just incase one lost. To be honest he seems like the sort of rat bastard to do that. He did send Axel to CO. Sure to eliminate his competitors, but if Axel happened to get taken out too, then Saix still has is fall back plan of teaming up with Xemnas.

 

Also, I don't think having some MX hearts will turn you fully INTO MX, and if I missed that part I apologise. I mean right now in the true Org XIII, we have four different versions of MX, so they don't count, Braig and Isa. Braig boasts about how he's half MX, but as for Isa we're not entirely sure how much of MX's heart he's gotten.

 

Except they never trusted Xemnas and Saix is devastated when their rebellion plan goes bust and feels they will NEVER get their heart back bc now Axel went rogue. After Axel went rogue he then stuck with Xemnas bc he had limited options plus he was becoming more and more nort

[VanitasTheBest 196]

What makes you think any of them knew MX's norted plot? Nomura and Xemnas confirmed he lied to ALL of the apprentices and org members in general about his master plan .NONE of them knew his true intentions except Braig.

 

Don't believe it, but yeah well

 

I don't really get this whole 13 Xehanort-Thing ... I mean... all of them came from different times? So, Young Xehanort brought Saix from the past and then he disappeared back into this past... That makes me think about all of that what you said. Young Xehanort said, that no one can change the past, but he can go to the future and make sure he grows up to MX ... This way is now etched in his Heart...

That Saix was there could have been the reason why he changed a bit halfway through Days o: Why he wanted to know what's Xehanorts Plan ... I know, it's said the past can't be changed, but Time Travels are more mysterious than the darkness itself

[Kirux 1,224]

Except that it clearly says that they don't retain the memories of what happens during time travel, and at that time in DreamDrop Isa was completely aware of MX's plan. Even if he were to return to his own time, he wouldn't have remember, and with no heart to have anything etched onto, that couldn't be hat motivated Saix back then

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Don't believe it, but yeah well

 

I don't really get this whole 13 Xehanort-Thing ... I mean... all of them came from different times? So, Young Xehanort brought Saix from the past and then he disappeared back into this past... That makes me think about all of that what you said. Young Xehanort said, that no one can change the past, but he can go to the future and make sure he grows up to MX ... This way is now etched in his Heart...

That Saix was there could have been the reason why he changed a bit halfway through Days o: Why he wanted to know what's Xehanorts Plan ... I know, it's said the past can't be changed, but Time Travels are more mysterious than the darkness itself

 

Nomura says it = canon fact. Also Xemnas admitting he lied to everyone so he could use them as unwitting vessels says it all..Also Saix was an ass from the start of Days, not just halfway.. The friendship however broke halfway through though however. There is no indication that YMX came and told him the plan halfway through either. He wouldnt need to. If Xemnas wanted him to know he wouldve told him. Instead he kept them all in the dark.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Nomura says it = canon fact. Also Xemnas admitting he lied to everyone so he could use them as unwitting vessels says it all. As for Saix and Xigbar, in DDD we dont know if the ones we saw were from the past or present since Nomura said that some vessels were from the past and some were the present and its supposed to be a mystery as of now..Also Saix was an ass from the start of Days, not just halfway.. The friendship however broke halfway through though however.

 

I know it isn't confirmed which vessel is from which Time Just saying "What if" or "What do you think" ... I want to say what I think

Saix isn't an Ass, he's just a little Norty ;O

 

Seriously... I believe that Saix and Braig are from the Present not from the Past... The fact that they not have been in the Lab is quite confusing.

[Kirux 1,224]

"Instead he kept them all in the dark" I see what you did there with your clever puns.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Kirux

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I know it isn't confirmed which vessel is from which Time Just saying "What if" or "What do you think" ... I want to say what I think

Saix isn't an Ass, he's just a little Norty ;O

 

Seriously... I believe that Saix and Braig are from the Present not from the Past... The fact that they not have been in the Lab is quite confusing.

 

I think they are too.. But its not confirmed . Nomura said some in the Place Where Nothing Gathers were from the past while othes were from the present. And he pointed out they couldve been picked up where they revived before the others awoke. He just wants us guessing

 

"Instead he kept them all in the dark" I see what you did there with your clever puns.

 

 

* winks**

[Henne 150]

Seriously... I believe that Saix and Braig are from the Present not from the Past... The fact that they not have been in the Lab is quite confusing.

 

Plus, it was hinted that Xehanort took them/they came to him - so there is no reason to gather these two from the past.

I guess, that from everyone else there will be just form/person

[Kirux 1,224]

He just wants us guessing

 

From what I've heard from you, Nomura doesn't even know what is going on, or if he does he's just going to change his mind later.

 

* winks**

 

*winkwink*

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

From what I've heard from you, Nomura doesn't even know what is going on, or if he does he's just going to change his mind later.

 

 

 

*winkwink*

 

Yes yes that too. Thats why he never sticks to straight up answers half the time ..