KH3D Axel and other Nobodies (Maybe Spoilers?)

[supersaiyanmikito 32]

This is something that had picked at me for a while. Near the beginning of DDD, Lea wakes up and discovers that him and the others are somebodies now. He gets this by looking into the glass and seeing that the marks under his eyes are gone. Now does anyone else have unusual marks that the point them to being nobodies? Namine, Roxas and Xemnas hold a completely different appearance then their somebody counterparts. Everyone else looks exactly like their somebodies but Axel is the only one I've noticed to have a mark or anything. Do the others have something and I just missed it?

[Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82]

I dont think so, everyone else was just either wearing a lab coat or average clothing. But what confuses me was, why was axel wearing a black coat when we woke up instead of normal clothes. That means he was wearing that when he turned into a heartless and a nobody. Why would he be wearing that? He didnt need protection from the darkness, or did he? o.O

[Hyperion 144]

Xemnas actually is identical to Terranort besides the tan, silver hair and slightly messier hair. But Roxas [has feelings] and Namine (can't remember why she's special, but I know she is) are special Nobodies so maybe that's why. Saix has an "X" on his face crossing his nose (Double Leon scar)...must of made Seifer pissed the firetruck off. And there's Axels tear marks...well that's it for marks. Idk how he knew he was Human again by looking to see if his marks were gone, but he could probably feel a heart beat or something and then saw his marks were gone.

 

EDIT: Namine is special due to being able to manipulate Soras memories and those connected to him.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Stigma

[Remains of Old 117]

Roxas looks different because of Ventus heart inside Sora, and Namine is Kairi's heart inside Sora, that's why they're so different (Sora is a really bad mom)

Xemnas is totally different, yes, i guess it's because Nomura didn't wanted 3 bosses to be the same, with different clothes.

Now, let's see... Axel had those marks...

Ienzo didn't change.

If i recall properly, Xaldin had some extra bard as a nobody.

We haven't seen Saix somebody (Only in BBS), so perhaps, a scar that was left while he was a nobody would not appear when he became a somebody?(I'm not saying he got the scar as a nobody, i'm guessing)

That's all i remember.

Edit:

 

I dont think so, everyone else was just either wearing a lab coat or average clothing. But what confuses me was, why was axel wearing a black coat when we woke up instead of normal clothes. That means he was wearing that when he turned into a heartless and a nobody. Why would he be wearing that? He didnt need protection from the darkness, or did he? o.O

 

This... I've never tought of this, you have an interesting point... I wonder what happened to him. Edited August 12, 2012 by Xirog

[kristi-swat 61]

Xemnas actually is identical to Terranort besides the tan, silver hair and slightly messier hair. But Roxas [has feelings] and Namine (can't remember why she's special, but I know she is) are special Nobodies so maybe that's why. Saix has an "X" on his face crossing his nose (Double Leon scar)...must of made Seifer pissed the firetruck off. And there's Axels tear marks...well that's it for marks. Idk how he knew he was Human again by looking to see if his marks were gone, but he could probably feel a heart beat or something and then saw his marks were gone.

 

namine can manipulate the memories of Sora and others connected to him

[supersaiyanmikito 32]

Hang on, you bring up Saix's scars... X shaped scars... Tear shaped marks... Isa betrayed Lea and now Lea must fight his childhood friend...

 

I sense a connection here!

[Hyperion 144]

namine can manipulate the memories of Sora and others connected to him

 

Alright I added it, thanks

 

Hang on, you bring up Saix's scars... X shaped scars... Tear shaped marks... Isa betrayed Lea and now Lea must fight his childhood friend...

 

I sense a connection here!

 

And I also noticed something odd about that. They were both childhood friends and they are the only two members to have marks on their face. Lea's are tears (he was sad?) and Isa has scras (got in a fight?) idk, we might find out more in KH3. Sora might ask him why is tears are gone or something

[supersaiyanmikito 32]

I tried to look for changes and the only one I found was Xigbar but its pretty random. His hair has some grey strips across the top but again, that just be age...

[Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82]

Alright I added it, thanks

 

And I also noticed something odd about that. They were both childhood friends and they are the only two members to have marks on their face. Lea's are tears (he was sad?) and Isa has scras (got in a fight?) idk, we might find out more in KH3. Sora might ask him why is tears are gone or something

 

Ya saix's scar is in the shape of an "x" ... Maybe it has something to do with xemnas considering every members name in the Orginization contains their original name along with an "x" and saix is xemnas' second in command well third behind xigbar, so maybe xemnas gave him that scar as a trust annihilation?...idk, all I know is xemnas loves the letter"x"

[Hyperion 144]

Ya saix's scar is in the shape of an "x" ... Maybe it has something to do with xemnas considering every members name in the Orginization contains their original name along with an "x" and saix is xemnas' second in command well third behind xigbar, so maybe xemnas gave him that scar as a trust annihilation?...idk, all I know is xemnas loves the letter"x"

 

Loves it cause of the X-blade

[Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82]

Loves it cause of the X-blade

 

and it's the first letter of his original name.

[Col.Random 3,683]

I dont think so, everyone else was just either wearing a lab coat or average clothing. But what confuses me was, why was axel wearing a black coat when we woke up instead of normal clothes. That means he was wearing that when he turned into a heartless and a nobody. Why would he be wearing that? He didnt need protection from the darkness, or did he? o.O

 

maybe he wore it cause those cloaks are so firetrucking awesome!!

[Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82]

We haven't seen Saix somebody (Only in BBS), so perhaps, a scar that was left while he was a nobody would not appear when he became a somebody?(I'm not saying he got the scar as a nobody, i'm guessing)

That's all i remember.

 

I think he got the scar from when he was whole because

in kh3d isa attacked lea in where nothing gathers and isa had the scar on his face. I'm pretty sure it was isa and not saix because lea called him isa when isa attacked him

 

 

maybe he wore it cause those cloaks are so firetrucking awesome!!

 

x) so true

[Remains of Old 117]

I think he got the scar from when he was whole because

in kh3d isa attacked lea in where nothing gathers and isa had the scar on his face. I'm pretty sure it was isa and not saix because lea called him isa when isa attacked him

 

 

I remember some people saying that Lea tought it was Isa, but it was actually Saix. Don't know where's the ''proof'' tough, if anyone reads it and can explain better... Well, do it.

[XIIISwords 1,059]

Hang on, you bring up Saix's scars... X shaped scars... Tear shaped marks... Isa betrayed Lea and now Lea must fight his childhood friend...

 

I sense a connection here!

 

I think you're on to something there. Xehanort put an X on Sora's clothes to track him, so maybe the same was done to Saix.

 

And what you said about betraying, an X mark seems to be the exact type of scar two frisbees/chakrams would make on a person's face...

I think he got the scar from when he was whole because

in kh3d isa attacked lea in where nothing gathers and isa had the scar on his face. I'm pretty sure it was isa and not saix because lea called him isa when isa attacked him

 

 

 

Braig woke up and then was turned back into a Nobody by Xehanort, so Xigbar is back. The same could have happed with Isa. So I think Saix is still in the Organization and Isa just isn't back yet.

[pipexilee 17]

The X in Saix's face

[Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82]

 

Braig woke up and then was turned back into a Nobody by Xehanort, so Xigbar is back. The same could have happed with Isa. So I think Saix is still in the Organization and Isa just isn't back yet.

 

oh ya I forgot that

[Roxas_Wagner 174]

I think you're on to something there. Xehanort put an X on Sora's clothes to track him, so maybe the same was done to Saix.

 

And what you said about betraying, an X mark seems to be the exact type of scar two frisbees/chakrams would make on a person's face...

 

Braig woke up and then was turned back into a Nobody by Xehanort, so Xigbar is back. The same could have happed with Isa. So I think Saix is still in the Organization and Isa just isn't back yet.

 

if you're talking about the beginning of the game,that's a flashback of 10 years before Kingdom Hearts 1,and not after KH 2,and Ienzo was just a kid in that scene,it don't make sense

 

 

I think Isa and Xehanort or Isa and Braig have some connection that we don't know,just this.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Roxas_Wagner

[WolfieStarr 0]

The black coat I wondered as well, but this all seems very interesting. Good eye!

 

So does that mean that Xigbar/Braig and Isa/Saix were taken before or after they were awoken...? They had to still be in the lab along with the other apprentices + axel. Unless it's possible Xemnas lied to them and said that they were stll nobodies or something...but I doubt that since they were there when Master Xehanort came back, even momentarily :T

 

So this probably means Saix is half Xehanort as well, correct?

 

But...I think that Xigbar's gray streaks in his hair is due to him being half -norted.

[Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82]

The black coat I wondered as well, but this all seems very interesting. Good eye!

 

So does that mean that Xigbar/Braig and Isa/Saix were taken before or after they were awoken...? They had to still be in the lab along with the other apprentices + axel. Unless it's possible Xemnas lied to them and said that they were stll nobodies or something...but I doubt that since they were there when Master Xehanort came back, even momentarily :T

 

So this probably means Saix is half Xehanort as well, correct?

 

But...I think that Xigbar's gray streaks in his hair is due to him being half -norted.

 

I'm sure saix is half xehanort because in kh bbs Isa had green eyes but saix has yellow eyes.

[WolfieStarr 0]

I'm sure saix is half xehanort because in kh bbs Isa had green eyes but saix has yellow eyes.

 

Ah! I didn't realize that. Did both of them have yellow eyes in KH2? I can't remember/

[kristi-swat 61]

I think you're on to something there. Xehanort put an X on Sora's clothes to track him, so maybe the same was done to Saix.

 

And what you said about betraying, an X mark seems to be the exact type of scar two frisbees/chakrams would make on a person's face...

 

Braig woke up and then was turned back into a Nobody by Xehanort, so Xigbar is back. The same could have happed with Isa. So I think Saix is still in the Organization and Isa just isn't back yet.

 

no braig didn't wake up and turned again '...that cuscene is in the beggining when they all turned into nobodies

[Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer 82]

 

 

Ah! I didn't realize that. Did both of them have yellow eyes in KH2? I can't remember/

 

yup both Xigbar and saix had yellow eyes, but in kh bbs braig had yellow eyes too so maybe hes been half xehanort since he met terra Edited August 12, 2012 by Destiny_of_a_Key_Bearer

[Ultima Spark 753]

Lea: teardrop tattoos are apparently the sign of a killer in certain cultures, so they could have been put on him by someone else to signify his role in the Organization. Why he was chosen to be the Org's assassin is completely beyond me...

 

(also he should totally get a phoenix summon or at least a Reraise spell next game >_>)

 

Braig/Isa/whatever we're calling them: Nomura has put forward the theory that they were reborn before the others and taken from that point (and therefore their using their Nobody names would be a sign of their loyalty to Xehanort); any time travel paradoxes could be explained by "they aren't time travelling and instead went physically to TWTNW"

[VanitasTheBest 196]

But what confuses me was, why was axel wearing a black coat when we woke up instead of normal clothes. That means he was wearing that when he turned into a heartless and a nobody. Why would he be wearing that? He didnt need protection from the darkness, or did he? o.O

 

Did you forgot that Hollow Bastion was swalloed by darkness? Maybe at that time he needed to be protect and wore this Coat, after that he was turned into a Nobody by Xehanort.

 

 

I don't want to quote everything, so I just answer at nearly all the facts in this Topic

 

First, everything what you said made me think:

Lea has no Tear-Marks as a Somebody -> I think the reason is: because he made them as a Nobody

 

Then I thought about Saix' scar... It's an "X" as you know... We know since KH3D this "X" is a sigil for the Organisation to locate someone, or maybe even "control" someone. We know Saix had a plan together with Axel. What I want to say is just a bit imagination of my own, but... What if, after Hollow Bastion got swallowed by darkness Lea and Isa were about to Join the Organisation freely, got the Coats and THEN they got turned into Nobodys. But as we know both of them were not really Bad Persons, so they got a Plan for themselves, as we saw in KH days... Later (somewhere between BbS and KH2), Saix got this Sigil of the Organisation, because he wanted to be the second Leader, right after Xemnas... To make sure that Saix won't betray them, they made him this Sigil-Scar o: At this point, he was Introduced in the Real Plan, with 13 Xehanorts and saw that he could have a great Power... He agreed and became a Half-Nort... And then Axel made himself this Marks in his face, the reason should be clear... He "lost" his Friend ...

 

That would be TOO awesome...

 

Just by the way, don't you think they got their "X"-Names because the whole Organisation should become a Xehanort? Most of you are writing something like, they got it 'cause they turned into Nobodys. If it's true (my version of the X-Names) then Saix = Isa(nort) and Xigbar = Braig(nort) ...