"Birth by Sleep Volume 2"'s Development

[keystrike 145]

PLEASE NOTE: There are two "tldr;s" near the bottom of the post.

 

With the recent release of kh3d I figure now is as good a time as any to point out a couple things about the game. By that I don't mean to refer to game tips/help or how awesome I think this game is because there is already a plethora of experts to provide you those posts. What I instead will talk about is what this game means in the scheme of the series as one of square's main franchises and from better understanding this perspective be able to better conclude where the series is going.

 

Lets go back to the game's origins. To many the farthest point back in time which the game may be traced to would be E3 2010, and in a number of ways this is true. However because it was confirmed that this game was not in existence at the time of the BBS Ultimania we know it came into conception over that three month period. I hope you can trust me with these facts as I won't be providing interviews for everything so be sure to take everything with a grain of salt.

 

With the Birth by Sleep Ultimania among the completed answers and new questions Nomura left us a treat, a tease of what lays in the future of kingdom hearts. Just check out these two questions, and I think you'll see what I mean:

Nomura: For now while FF Versus XIII is still being worked on, there isn't much I can do on KHIII, but we've already begun work on the next game in the series. There is one that we are hoping to be able to release within this year. Then the next year there is one more game we are planning on releasing. I think it will probably make the main character[s?] more complicated. Also, the end of 'Blank Points' with Sora leaving on a new adventure connects to KHIII.

Now that Birth by Sleep is complete, we're interested in the future titles to come in the Kingdom Hearts series?

Nomura: Kingdom Hearts III can't be started if the goals for Final Fantasy Versus XIII are not concluded, however development of the next title(s) in the series has already begun. There's one I plan to release within the year. After that, there's another one I'm thinking I want to release from next year onwards, and I think there will be more than one main character again. By the way, the scene 'Blank Points' in Birth by Sleep in which Sora ends up setting off on his journey is planned to connect to Kingdom Hearts III.

(This whole quote deserves to be bolded but I think its also worth mentioning there exists another translation that forum member grass of khinsider used in predicting bbsv2 at E3 2011 )

However a couple months later, we get something interesting:

So lastly, can you please give a message to the players?

Nomura: A while ago I mentioned that there were 'two titles' in conception (Sleeping Keys: BBSV2 and Re:coded), and it might look like those two titles were put on display at E3 this year. However, that has actually increased by one title with this (KH3D). (Editor: the remaining one title is still a mystery.) Our goals behind coming to E3 this time wasn't just for the announcements, but also in order to have some business meetings. We plan to go to E3 again next year, and there are still some hidden treasures, but first of all, please enjoy Re:Coded, of which we are planning to explain the release date soon.

I think you see where I'm going. Re:coded and the mystery game, which we now know to be bbsv2 were originally going to be the only two games preceding KH3, but after recognizing how unlikely it was that a single title aside from Re:coded would satisfy the wait for Versus XIII to be completed, let alone for KH3 to be completed, they trashed that approach to discover a plan to maximize the potential amount of games to sate the fans hunger until kh3. The plan that happened was strikingly similar to what many fans jokingly derive to make kh3 not release for another 20 years only Square's was slightly more elaborate to create a tighter story.

 

Japan's schedule:

• 2009: BBS
• 2010: BBS Final Mix (hints at BBS volume 2)
• 2011: Re:coded (hints at kh3d)
• 2012: KH3D/Coded/Days box
• 2013: BBS volume 2 (hints at new saga)
• 2014: KH3D Final mix/CoM e-shop (free with a code from KH3D Final Mix!)
• 2015: HD collections part 1: KH1 and KH2
• 2016: HD collections part 2: BBS and Re:com
• 2017:KH3 FINALLY!!!!!!!!

And just for the heck of it:

• 2018: KH3 Final Mix

Now, do I honestly think that it will take another six years for the Xehanort saga to be completed? That's the same amount of time that has passed since kh2 came out! Even I admit this is crazy, but I sadly wouldn't be surprised if some of the staff joked up this same schedule when thinking about the worst case scenario with versus. As for what they seriously came up with, well, all we have to do is look at all the games that came out after BBS. Re:coded included the secret ending to patch up (smooth out might be a better way to put it because Nomura's vagueness came in use to avoid a contradiction) their little mistake about the ending of blank points being Sora setting off on his kh3 journey. Released shortly-there-after, Birth by Sleep Final Mix hinted toward Birth by Sleep Volume 2. However, then BBSV2 was slowly forgotten. Some people argue that DDD simply replaced BBSV2. However it is indisputable now, even more so now with the DDD Ultimania that BBSV2 was to be a game in its own right.

 

So why does it appear now that we will only have one more small game aside from kh3d before kh3? My only guess would be they got some real progress in on Versus XIII and with DDD already in development threw BBBSV2 back to the shelf of possible games.

 

Tl;DR:

-Original Plan: Re:coded, BBSV2, KH3

-New Elaborate plan: Re:coded (establishing a premise of kh3d within the series), BBSFM (establishing a premise for BBSV2 within the series), KH3D, BBSV2,... *how many other titles it takes to kh3, Kh3

-Current plan (due to the development of Versus XIII): *first couple titles of the "New Elaborate Plan": Re:coded, BBSFM, KH3D*, "the small title", kh3 (<<but I'm still betting on a KH3D final mix)

 

And if anyone read Grass' amazing (yet wrong) theory on BBSV2 being at E3 2011 it was because of this fact of multiple plans. He sewed together an amazing amount of quotes and evidence but never considered that many of the older interviews weren't as valid. Let this be a lesson to remember that things change.

 

So will we ever see BBSV2? As of now, not even Nomura knows the answer. However, what he does have is the perspective to tell sooner than any of us yes or no. What we now hopefully have is a perspective much closer to his. Because BBSV2 concerns itself with the new saga it has a completely reasonable basis to be in that saga, albeit with significant differences of course. And what about how many more games until kh3? The answer is obvious if you know what has already changed. It entirely depends on the development of versus. And so to complete the tldr

 

TL;DR:

-Future Plan: Up to KH3 it is dependent on versus. Beyond KH3, its a new set of mysteries with BBSV2 in the balance of development.

 

Thoughts? Comments? Insults or flaming? Leave it all below

[hatok 6,413]

I'd like that, but I have my doubts.

 

And I just noticed something. Nomura never said KH3 can't start until Versus XIII was finished. He said 'reach goals'

This could actually be a big deal. Reaching goals by no means implies FINISHING the game. There could be all MANNER of goals. Graphical fidelity, gameplay features. Some complex system. There could be a test for a major KH3 feature in Versus, and they can't start until they finish THAT.

This... could actually mean a lot...

[Shana09 5,769]

I understand plans can change, but Nomura so far told us that "there will be a game before KH3". That "game" was KH3D, so I am sure it wont happen. Besides they started various developments on the new title and they told us before that the Versus XIII engine (or something with Versus XIII) is going to be used on KH3.

 

Various developments on the new title?

Already decided the engine for KH3?

Last game before KH3?

 

  SPOILERS: Click to reveal

 

KH3D Secret Message?

 

 

 

this all leads to KH3.

 

 

I do like the idea of BBSV2 but I don't understand what they can actually tell us more. I mean, Aqua is in RoD, Terra will be Terranort at the time, and Ventus is in a comatose.

Sora, Riku and Kairi will be like 8 or 9. I can't understand what they can do other than the war in Radient Garden (you know darkness go around) but they have to introduce new characters which is really unnecessary at this point.

Edited August 11, 2012 by Shana09

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think at this rate we will only see BBS v2 if there are more delays with Versus and they need a game to appease fans in the meantime

[Remains of Old 117]

Uncle Dolan is somewhere, waiting for the right time to post: There won't be any BBS2! or something (No offense, Uncle, i'm just used to it)

Anyway, I don't think there will be a 3D final mix, but the idea of a free CoM in the e-shop is great. I also don't think they will make an HD collection with BBS, and even less with Re:CoM (It would be like the remake of a remake, i guess they would probably remaster Days)

 

Aaaand, if BBS v2 was to hint the new saga... I really, really hope it will only be in the Secret Ending or something.

[Cloud the Keyblade Master 44]

Well, if they do make the HD collection and it contains BBS, they might expand upon it so that it does offer more of a console experience (besides making it Final Mix). Maybe it would be like another Secret Episode or an expansion. Just a guess, but a good one.

[Kirux 1,224]

Right now, if they have KHIII be about both rescueing Terranort/Aqua/Ventus, and fighting the new organisation, and stopping MX...it's going to be a really long game. If anything, Birth By Sleep vol 2 could follow DreamDrop in the respect that Riku has the power to dive into people's dreams/hearts so he could somehow find ventus, and dive into his to wake him up, hence bring him back trhough sleep. I really want another side game to tie up the loose ends the TAV trio presents, so going into KHIII thigns will be more focused on defeating Master Xehanort.

[keystrike 145]

  On 8/11/2012 at 10:06 PM, 'hatok' said:

I'd like that, but I have my doubts.

 

And I just noticed something. Nomura never said KH3 can't start until Versus XIII was finished. He said 'reach goals'

This could actually be a big deal. Reaching goals by no means implies FINISHING the game. There could be all MANNER of goals. Graphical fidelity, gameplay features. Some complex system. There could be a test for a major KH3 feature in Versus, and they can't start until they finish THAT.

This... could actually mean a lot...

 

Do you mean the schedule I made for the games? That was just my guess at what they might have come up with.

 

Concerning your tidbit on Versus: I never thought of that but it could actually mean a lot...

 

  On 8/11/2012 at 10:14 PM, 'Shana09' said:

I understand plans can change, but Nomura so far told us that "there will be a game before KH3". That "game" was KH3D, so I am sure it wont happen. Besides they started various developments on the new title and they told us before that the Versus XIII engine (or something with Versus XIII) is going to be used on KH3.

 

Various developments on the new title?

Already decided the engine for KH3?

Last game before KH3?

 

  SPOILERS: Click to reveal

 

KH3D Secret Message?

 

 

 

this all leads to KH3.

 

 

I do like the idea of BBSV2 but I don't understand what they can actually tell us more. I mean, Aqua is in RoD, Terra will be Terranort at the time, and Ventus is in a comatose.

Sora, Riku and Kairi will be like 8 or 9. I can't understand what they can do other than the war in Radient Garden (you know darkness go around) but they have to introduce new characters which is really unnecessary at this point.

 

At this point, its more likely than not the BBSV2 will not be made in the Xehanort Saga, but the fact is that at one point it was to made instead of kh3d. I think you missed my point and ended up making an argument of nothing... buuut, as for this final "light" game to come before kh3, I have to agree that an HD collection seems likely enough.

 

BBSV2 as a game is often times misconceived because of the title. You can consider the game "Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep" to simply tell volume 1 and the ending of "Birth by Sleep" as a story. In a way, the story of BBS as a whole could be considered Aqua's story, and simmiliarly to how that story was explored in Volume 1 with Terra and Ven, Volume 2 could be explored alongside other characters, namely Riku and Mickey. I don't expect you to have to dig through every interview since BBS, but Nomura previously mentioned that BBSV2 (note: at the time it was referred to as the mystery game) would likely have multiple playable characters, and even earlier he expressed interest to explore Mickey and Riku's absences. I think I've rambled on enough...

[Kevin_Keyblade 203]

  On 8/11/2012 at 10:02 PM, 'keystrike' said:

PLEASE NOTE: There are two "tldr;s" near the bottom of the post.

 

With the recent release of kh3d I figure now is as good a time as any to point out a couple things about the game. By that I don't mean to refer to game tips/help or how awesome I think this game is because there is already a plethora of experts to provide you those posts. What I instead will talk about is what this game means in the scheme of the series as one of square's main franchises and from better understanding this perspective be able to better conclude where the series is going.

 

Lets go back to the game's origins. To many the farthest point back in time which the game may be traced to would be E3 2010, and in a number of ways this is true. However because it was confirmed that this game was not in existence at the time of the BBS Ultimania we know it came into conception over that three month period. I hope you can trust me with these facts as I won't be providing interviews for everything so be sure to take everything with a grain of salt.

 

With the Birth by Sleep Ultimania among the completed answers and new questions Nomura left us a treat, a tease of what lays in the future of kingdom hearts. Just check out these two questions, and I think you'll see what I mean:

Nomura: For now while FF Versus XIII is still being worked on, there isn't much I can do on KHIII, but we've already begun work on the next game in the series. There is one that we are hoping to be able to release within this year. Then the next year there is one more game we are planning on releasing. I think it will probably make the main character[s?] more complicated. Also, the end of 'Blank Points' with Sora leaving on a new adventure connects to KHIII.

Now that Birth by Sleep is complete, we're interested in the future titles to come in the Kingdom Hearts series?

Nomura: Kingdom Hearts III can't be started if the goals for Final Fantasy Versus XIII are not concluded, however development of the next title(s) in the series has already begun. There's one I plan to release within the year. After that, there's another one I'm thinking I want to release from next year onwards, and I think there will be more than one main character again. By the way, the scene 'Blank Points' in Birth by Sleep in which Sora ends up setting off on his journey is planned to connect to Kingdom Hearts III.

(This whole quote deserves to be bolded but I think its also worth mentioning there exists another translation that forum member grass of khinsider used in predicting bbsv2 at E3 2011 )

However a couple months later, we get something interesting:

So lastly, can you please give a message to the players?

Nomura: A while ago I mentioned that there were 'two titles' in conception (Sleeping Keys: BBSV2 and Re:coded), and it might look like those two titles were put on display at E3 this year. However, that has actually increased by one title with this (KH3D). (Editor: the remaining one title is still a mystery.) Our goals behind coming to E3 this time wasn't just for the announcements, but also in order to have some business meetings. We plan to go to E3 again next year, and there are still some hidden treasures, but first of all, please enjoy Re:Coded, of which we are planning to explain the release date soon.

I think you see where I'm going. Re:coded and the mystery game, which we now know to be bbsv2 were originally going to be the only two games preceding KH3, but after recognizing how unlikely it was that a single title aside from Re:coded would satisfy the wait for Versus XIII to be completed, let alone for KH3 to be completed, they trashed that approach to discover a plan to maximize the potential amount of games to sate the fans hunger until kh3. The plan that happened was strikingly similar to what many fans jokingly derive to make kh3 not release for another 20 years only Square's was slightly more elaborate to create a tighter story.

 

Japan's schedule:

• 2009: BBS
• 2010: BBS Final Mix (hints at BBS volume 2)
• 2011: Re:coded (hints at kh3d)
• 2012: KH3D/Coded/Days box
• 2013: BBS volume 2 (hints at new saga)
• 2014: KH3D Final mix/CoM e-shop (free with a code from KH3D Final Mix!)
• 2015: HD collections part 1: KH1 and KH2
• 2016: HD collections part 2: BBS and Re:com
• 2017:KH3 FINALLY!!!!!!!!

And just for the heck of it:

• 2018: KH3 Final Mix

Now, do I honestly think that it will take another six years for the Xehanort saga to be completed? That's the same amount of time that has passed since kh2 came out! Even I admit this is crazy, but I sadly wouldn't be surprised if some of the staff joked up this same schedule when thinking about the worst case scenario with versus. As for what they seriously came up with, well, all we have to do is look at all the games that came out after BBS. Re:coded included the secret ending to patch up (smooth out might be a better way to put it because Nomura's vagueness came in use to avoid a contradiction) their little mistake about the ending of blank points being Sora setting off on his kh3 journey. Released shortly-there-after, Birth by Sleep Final Mix hinted toward Birth by Sleep Volume 2. However, then BBSV2 was slowly forgotten. Some people argue that DDD simply replaced BBSV2. However it is indisputable now, even more so now with the DDD Ultimania that BBSV2 was to be a game in its own right.

 

So why does it appear now that we will only have one more small game aside from kh3d before kh3? My only guess would be they got some real progress in on Versus XIII and with DDD already in development threw BBBSV2 back to the shelf of possible games.

 

Tl;DR:

-Original Plan: Re:coded, BBSV2, KH3

-New Elaborate plan: Re:coded (establishing a premise of kh3d within the series), BBSFM (establishing a premise for BBSV2 within the series), KH3D, BBSV2,... *how many other titles it takes to kh3, Kh3

-Current plan (due to the development of Versus XIII): *first couple titles of the "New Elaborate Plan": Re:coded, BBSFM, KH3D*, "the small title", kh3 (<<but I'm still betting on a KH3D final mix)

 

And if anyone read Grass' amazing (yet wrong) theory on BBSV2 being at E3 2011 it was because of this fact of multiple plans. He sewed together an amazing amount of quotes and evidence but never considered that many of the older interviews weren't as valid. Let this be a lesson to remember that things change.

 

So will we ever see BBSV2? As of now, not even Nomura knows the answer. However, what he does have is the perspective to tell sooner than any of us yes or no. What we now hopefully have is a perspective much closer to his. Because BBSV2 concerns itself with the new saga it has a completely reasonable basis to be in that saga, albeit with significant differences of course. And what about how many more games until kh3? The answer is obvious if you know what has already changed. It entirely depends on the development of versus. And so to complete the tldr

 

TL;DR:

-Future Plan: Up to KH3 it is dependent on versus. Beyond KH3, its a new set of mysteries with BBSV2 in the balance of development.

 

Thoughts? Comments? Insults or flaming? Leave it all below

 

You're a little exaggerating about the release date of KH3 XDDDDDDDDDD, But I can Understand u

[Shana09 5,769]

  On 8/12/2012 at 1:24 AM, 'keystrike' said:

Do you mean the schedule I made for the games? That was just my guess at what they might have come up with.

 

Concerning your tidbit on Versus: I never thought of that but it could actually mean a lot...

 

 

 

At this point, its more likely than not the BBSV2 will not be made in the Xehanort Saga, but the fact is that at one point it was to made instead of kh3d. I think you missed my point and ended up making an argument of nothing... buuut, as for this final "light" game to come before kh3, I have to agree that an HD collection seems likely enough.

 

BBSV2 as a game is often times misconceived because of the title. You can consider the game "Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep" to simply tell volume 1 and the ending of "Birth by Sleep" as a story. In a way, the story of BBS as a whole could be considered Aqua's story, and simmiliarly to how that story was explored in Volume 1 with Terra and Ven, Volume 2 could be explored alongside other characters, namely Riku and Mickey. I don't expect you to have to dig through every interview since BBS, but Nomura previously mentioned that BBSV2 (note: at the time it was referred to as the mystery game) would likely have multiple playable characters, and even earlier he expressed interest to explore Mickey and Riku's absences. I think I've rambled on enough...

 

As for the light game, I don't know about that. It will probably be planned, maybe not created?

 

BBSV2, I think it be a bit weird.

 

If it is during the time between BBS and KH1, and then I wouldn't really think it's neccasary.

If it's after DDD (which it wont sadly) maybe they can talk about Terra, Aqua and Ven and trying to find them? Don't think it will happen though.

 

I will agree on HD collections, they can make tons of money off of that.

 

 

Also I had a theory that BBSV2 was made INTO KH3D since:

 

1) Nomura said he wanted it to be related to BBS, such as having the words "dreams" which is similar to "sleep".

2) It showed in the secret ending of BBSFM of a world in darkness? Remember worlds were slumbered in darkness, and went into the realm of sleep. I think they either changed that the fact the worlds are now in the RoS instead of RoD or this doesn't make sense.

 

 

Also I'm not arguing

Edited August 12, 2012 by Shana09

[keystrike 145]

  On 8/12/2012 at 1:33 AM, 'Kevin_Keyblade' said:

You're a little exaggerating about the release date of KH3 XDDDDDDDDDD, But I can Understand u

 

Haha, yes I was exagerating, point proven I suppose.

 

  On 8/12/2012 at 1:33 AM, 'Shana09' said:

As for the light game, I don't know about that. It will probably be planned, maybe not created?

 

BBSV2, I think it be a bit weird.

 

If it is during the time between BBS and KH1, and then I wouldn't really think it's neccasary.

If it's after DDD (which it wont sadly) maybe they can talk about Terra, Aqua and Ven and trying to find them? Don't think it will happen though.

 

I will agree on HD collections, they can make tons of money off of that.

 

 

Also I had a theory that BBSV2 was made INTO KH3D since:

 

1) Nomura said he wanted it to be related to BBS, such as having the words "dreams" which is similar to "sleep".

2) It showed in the secret ending of BBSFM of a world in darkness? Remember worlds were slumbered in darkness, and went into the realm of sleep. I think they either changed that the fact the worlds are now in the RoS instead of RoD or this doesn't make sense.

 

Also I'm not arguing

 

But BBSV2 doesn't have to be solely between bbs and kh1, Birth by Sleep ends after kh2, and that means it has all the untold stories including Riku and Mickey's absences, which were alluded to in the secret ending as well, to draw from. I pretty much theorized on every aspect of the here when it was still going to be a game: http://kh13.com/forum/topic/28073-everything-we-know-about-bbsv2/ .

 

Hmm, I never thought of the worlds in the realm of darkness dreaming. Interesting idea. Anyways the worlds fell into sleep after escaping the darkness so it would make sense that they had dreams in both realms. Despite DDD possibly adopting these plot points from BBSV2, I still think BBSV2 may be a game in its own right.

 

Also, arguing can mean having a conversation with somebody you disagree with (even if its just a little) I really didn't mean it in a bad way at all.

[DarknessOrLight 32]

This is the schedule:(Japanese)

2012-Kh3D

2013-HD KH collection on PS3 and Xbox 360(KH1,KHCoM,KH2,KHBBS) No 3D because the ones I mentioned are all on outdated systems.

2014-KH3D FM

2015(Quarter 1)-KH3 on PS4, later release on Xbox 720

 

Schedule:(American and European)

2012-KH3D

2013-HD KH collection on PS3 and Xbox 360(same games as Jap version, but releases 4-6 months after Jap release)

2014-Nothing, maybe the 3D FM will be DLC on eshop so it may be accessible to NA and Europe, if so then we can se a CoM on the eshop or free with KH3DFM.

2015(Quarter 2/Summer)-KH3 on PS4, later release on Xbox 720

 

Games to be announced at TGS 2012- HD Collection with maybe pics/trailer. And also KH3 with no pics, or trailer.

 

The reason why HD collection will also be on Xbox is because Square will want new fans who never had a playstation to be introduced to KH. This would also make a lot of money for them. The reason for next gen release for KH3 is because it would come out in 2015, end of 2013 is supposably when next gen consoles come out. The reason for late release on Xbox 720 for KH3 is because Playstation consoles always comes before Microsoft consoles in Japan, and since the HD collections were on both it would only make since for Square to release on both. Also FF13 had a great success on Xbox.

[Kirux 1,224]

-stiffles laugh at the phrases 'FFXIII' and 'great success' in the same sentence-

 

But all snarkiness aside, that sounds like a much more plausible timeline, though I really truly hope it's not for next gen consoles, I just finally have all of THIS gen's consoles. T^T

[keystrike 145]

  On 8/12/2012 at 6:45 AM, 'Kirux' said:

-stiffles laugh at the phrases 'FFXIII' and 'great success' in the same sentence-

 

But all snarkiness aside, that sounds like a much more plausible timeline, though I really truly hope it's not for next gen consoles, I just finally have all of THIS gen's consoles. T^T

 

Greater success might be a better way to put it, and kh could benefit from that extra "er" as well.

 

Also: Did people not even read what I said about my timeline? It wasn't meant to be the timeline right now, it was meant to be their worst-case-scenario-with-Versus timeline. So naturally this timeline would be much more "plausible."

[Kirux 1,224]

I'd just wish Nomura would put versus out of it's misery all ready.

 

Yes I knew your timeline was a worst case scenario, but even so, those dates where very very exaggerated in my opinion, no offense.

[DarknessOrLight 32]

  On 8/12/2012 at 2:53 PM, 'keystrike' said:

Greater success might be a better way to put it, and kh could benefit from that extra "er" as well.

 

Also: Did people not even read what I said about my timeline? It wasn't meant to be the timeline right now, it was meant to be their worst-case-scenario-with-Versus timeline. So naturally this timeline would be much more "plausible."

 

I agree with your timeline for the worst case senario, but honestly when you have been working on a game since...I think 2007, you should be pretty much done so we can expect a release early 2013 for FF13 Versus.

[keystrike 145]

  On 8/12/2012 at 8:38 PM, 'DarknessOrLight' said:

I agree with your timeline for the worst case senario, but honestly when you have been working on a game since...I think 2007, you should be pretty much done so we can expect a release early 2013 for FF13 Versus.

 

Exactly. Square should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel which is the release of Versus, and based off of that they should know just how many games there need to be for kh3. Back in 2010, they couldn't see it and concieved their worst case sceneario plan including BBSV2 and KH3D.

[Kirux 1,224]

Nomura said that he can leave Versus XIII to work on KHIII once they've reached a break through in it, not necessarily when he's done with it. If they still haven't reached the break through, I don't think it's anywhere near coming out yet. They'll still have to do one final show casing of it at e3, so at the soonest we'll see very later 2013, early 2014. If they haven't just scrapped its relation to XIII and renamed it XV by now.

[KingdomFan 6]

A 2017 release for KH3 sounds plausible.

[keystrike 145]

  On 8/12/2012 at 9:54 PM, 'Kirux' said:

Nomura said that he can leave Versus XIII to work on KHIII once they've reached a break through in it, not necessarily when he's done with it. If they still haven't reached the break through, I don't think it's anywhere near coming out yet. They'll still have to do one final show casing of it at e3, so at the soonest we'll see very later 2013, early 2014. If they haven't just scrapped its relation to XIII and renamed it XV by now.

 

In that case, how do you think they would fill the gaps? Given that kh3 takes two years to develop, although it could be more. That leaves it coming out in about 2016. I can't imagine a single "light" game filling the four/three year gap. Are you saying they will probably make other games aside from it?

[Kirux 1,224]

Well, just because Versus won't come out until 2013, doesn't men the break won't be before that, he's actually said that they were very close, so I'm hoping by the end of this year. Giving the 2 year development for KHIII that makes it end of 2014, early 2015. so if next year they have another light off shoot game, things would be a bit on schedule. that is, assuming versus stops being a botch to develope.

Edited August 13, 2012 by Kirux

[KingdomFan 6]

Does anyone have an idea of what Nomura meant when he said "breakthrough"?

[Kirux 1,224]

He clarified that it didn't have to be the finish of a game, just that they're trying very hard to complete a certain aspect to it right now and that when he has a break through on that, he'll be able to return to KHIII. He was vague as to not potentially spoil Versus.

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  On 8/12/2012 at 9:49 PM, 'keystrike' said:

Exactly. Square should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel which is the release of Versus, and based off of that they should know just how many games there need to be for kh3. Back in 2010, they couldn't see it and concieved their worst case sceneario plan including BBSV2 and KH3D.

 

Even if we have a worst case senario with KH3, we will not see a BBS V2. Maybe a game that tells that story, but not called BBS V2.

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  On 8/13/2012 at 7:28 PM, 'DarknessOrLight' said:

Even if we have a worst case senario with KH3, we will not see a BBS V2. Maybe a game that tells that story, but not called BBS V2.

 

That's a given, seeing as Nomura himself confirmed that it was scrapped. Personally, I don't think there's enough plots left in that series events to make it's own game anyway.