KH3D There's probably already many threads about this, but I am soooo confused *SPOILERS*

[Pyrrha Nikos 1,162]

I beat the game yesterday and the whole ending was a total "huh?" to me. Could anyone please tell me what firetrucked happened, please

[The Kingdom Hearts Otaku 44]

whats the thing that confuses you the most

[Elijah Gravenhorst 480]

Sora failed and was all "Yay! RIku passed! I'm not disapointed at all! This is just SO awesome! I'm gonna go hug a buch of fluffy creatures to deal with my insecurities!"

[Pyrrha Nikos 1,162]

the whole time travel logic

[Weiss 8,279]

Sora failed and was all "Yay! RIku passed! I'm not disapointed at all! This is just SO awesome! I'm gonna go hug a buch of fluffy creatures to deal with my insecurities!"

 

I agree with this totally. As for the time travel logic I've come this conclusion. Nomura has been making kingdom hearts for 10 years right? And at least 5 (i'm not sure the exact number so sorry if I'm a bit off but you know what I mean) of those years have been for other time line games. aka bbs and coded and days. They took place in between(or before for bbs) some games. Well Nomura probably woke up one day and said "Even with all of these games everyone can follow the story perfectly. What can I do to confuse people for no reason?*snaps finger* I know I'll include dream inceptions and- AND every logical persons worst enemy. Time Travel!". That or he was just bored and wanted to screw with everyones mind.

[Demetri Burke 11]

well ill try to explain it the best way i can: ansem SoD goes back in time and tells young xehornort to go foward in time (when ymx goes back to his orginal time he wont remember any of this but it will start his fascination with venturing out into unknown worlds). they can move through time because they left there original bodies there and they have there other selves waiting in the future. i'm guessing there future self has to be rikus relationship with ansem or the original master xehornort. and that is how one moves in time lol

[Pyrrha Nikos 1,162]

well ill try to explain it the best way i can: ansem SoD goes back in time and tells young xehornort to go foward in time (when ymx goes back to his orginal time he wont remember any of this but it will start his fascination with venturing out into unknown worlds). they can move through time because they left there original bodies there and they have there other selves waiting in the future. i'm guessing there future self has to be rikus relationship with ansem or the original master xehornort. and that is how one moves in time lol

 

this makes sense, but what happened to all the Xehanorts? Did they all go back to their proper time with their memories wiped cleaned?

[Uncle Dolan 963]

There's a thing called 'Theater Mode" for these kinds of things...

[replika13 455]

ah, nomuralogic...

[Rob 5,571]

There's a thing called 'Theater Mode" for these kinds of things...

 

And Ultimania's.

[Demetri Burke 11]

this makes sense, but what happened to all the Xehanorts? Did they all go back to their proper time with their memories wiped cleaned?

 

im guessing for ansem, xenmas, and ymx everybody else probably just went where ever

[kristi-swat 61]

do you guys sometimes feel like it seems so ****ing unbelievable that Nomura creates the story and connects it to the other KH games perfectly in an instant..and even makes secret ending without having a plan for the next title connected to the cutscene???...sometimes I think all the plot has been prepared since 2000 ..and he has thought of all the games to be released

[Weiss 8,279]

do you guys sometimes feel like it seems so ****ing unbelievable that Nomura creates the story and connects it to the other KH games perfectly in an instant..and even makes secret ending without having a plan for the next title connected to the cutscene???...sometimes I think all the plot has been prepared since 2000 ..and he has thought of all the games to be released

 

Well if you play kh1 again and go to tarzan world a certain cutscene shows maleficent's castle. Sora says something like "why do I remember that place?" So we know nomura had planned bbs since kingdom hearts 1. He probably has most of kh3 worked out in his head. The only thing is he has to find a system for the game when it comes time for it. So him connecting it is not luck at all. It's planning. I wish he didn't use time travel though.

 

Time travel just breaks all laws. :unsure:

[kristi-swat 61]

Well if you play kh1 again and go to tarzan world a certain cutscene shows maleficent's castle. Sora says something like "why do I remember that place?" So we know nomura had planned bbs since kingdom hearts 1. He probably has most of kh3 worked out in his head. The only thing is he has to find a system for the game when it comes time for it. So him connecting it is not luck at all. It's planning. I wish he didn't use time travel though.

 

Time travel just breaks all laws. :unsure:

 

actually that isn't maleficent castle bcs she hasn't one at the game ...but it's more like radiant garden which he remembers from Kairi,or enchanted Dominion which he remembers from Ven...that's the explanation every one has

I have been thinking the same...the script has been written from the start....no one can predict further games that perfectly and connect details that much to previous ones

 

he uses time travel just to tell that everyone knew how things would happen..even thought that confuses me at times as well http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png...like Ansem SoD going in the past to tell YX his fate...that means that Xehanort had already experienced this event and re-exprience it again...and he will again and again and again :OOO

 

or like after that did he go to his time and then went back to DI to meet sora or did he live for about 40 years or so at DI...more important..which is HIS time??? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

[Weiss 8,279]

actually that isn't maleficent castle bcs she hasn't one at the game ...but it's more like radiant garden which he remembers from Kairi,or enchanted Dominion which he remembers from Ven...that's the explanation every one has

I have been thinking the same...the script has been written from the start....no one can predict further games that perfectly and connect details that much to previous ones

 

he uses time travel just to tell that everyone knew how things would happen..even thought that confuses me at times as well http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png...like Ansem SoD going in the past to tell YX his fate...that means that Xehanort had already experienced this event and re-exprience it again...and he will again and again and again :OOO

 

or like after that did he go to his time and then went back to DI to meet sora or did he live for about 40 years or so at DI...more important..which is HIS time??? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-confuse.png

 

That's what I was thinking of. Enchanted Dominon. Sorry about that. And Some people do say it is a castle in raidant garden but then why haven't we seen this castle in game yet? (kh3?) And you are correct (probably already knew that though) about the debate. I just go with Enchanted dominion because that is what it LOOKS like to me.

 

As for time travel, what is confusing me is how did they even learn time travel was possible? Upon that could'nt they take everyone they had in 3d and go to the past to take over then, when everyone is weaker? I understand what they said about it definetly. It's the extent of it that confuses me. :mellow:

[Brennan Johns 0]

To better explain the format in which time travel is being used. Sora and Riku are not using time travel in the same way.(this is obvious because of when young Xehanort explains how time travel works , saying that you must have also been present at the time you go to and as an example they had never gone to the grid prior, they went to space paranoids which was the copy of the original grid which would make it a completely different world. or any of the other worlds to be honest.) Only the Xehanorts are. They have traveled time to the point in which they could also enter the dreams of Sora. Which required the time travel. However to Sora and riku these worlds are locked at a specific time so they move seamlessly into the worlds. Also, the castle seen that sora refers to is the castle in Radient Gardens and has the memory from Ventus. The reason that Maleficent is there is because she had taken the castle as her own as it was where the Heartless first emerged from the experiments carried out by Xehanort and Ansem the Wise. So it was the first world to be connected. And Subsequently that is how Kairi, Ansem's Daughter was taken to Destiny Islands to seek refuge from the darkness that swallowed up her home world.

[Brennan Johns 0]

Also the fact that Riku has been named a Keyblade master is no big deal because according to yen sid it just means that he has learned the ability to unlock sleeping hearts which must be the ability that designates a master. just like Master Aqua she was instructed on how to both lock and unlock a sleeping heart like in the case of Ventus. That is the only stock i take in the assignment of the title. I believe that Sora will be also deemed a Keyblade master along with Kairi right at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 3 but during that time Riku will be given the assignment to retrieve Ventus' body. or something along those lines. And the other two will be charged with finding Aqua. I will say that the whole Lea with a keyblade thing threw me for a loop, i honestly thought he was kidding until he flicked his wrist and there it was... i thought it was a nice touch.

[kristi-swat 61]

That's what I was thinking of. Enchanted Dominon. Sorry about that. And Some people do say it is a castle in raidant garden but then why haven't we seen this castle in game yet? (kh3?) And you are correct (probably already knew that though) about the debate. I just go with Enchanted dominion because that is what it LOOKS like to me.

 

As for time travel, what is confusing me is how did they even learn time travel was possible? Upon that could'nt they take everyone they had in 3d and go to the past to take over then, when everyone is weaker? I understand what they said about it definetly. It's the extent of it that confuses me. :mellow:

 

Well I was just watching KH1 walkthrough here at the archive and at times that castle neither seems as radiant garden,nor enchanted dominion ://...but they don't go just into the past,they go to the future as well...some in the past and some in the future since you can only move in one direction....the extent will be revelead at kh3 ..but even then there will be things that will still leave us doubt and will be expalined in the next game even though it won't be Xehanort saga...still they'll connect it somehow...that's sure

 

To better explain the format in which time travel is being used. Sora and Riku are not using time travel in the same way.(this is obvious because of when young Xehanort explains how time travel works , saying that you must have also been present at the time you go to and as an example they had never gone to the grid prior, they went to space paranoids which was the copy of the original grid which would make it a completely different world. or any of the other worlds to be honest.) Only the Xehanorts are. They have traveled time to the point in which they could also enter the dreams of Sora. Which required the time travel. However to Sora and riku these worlds are locked at a specific time so they move seamlessly into the worlds. Also, the castle seen that sora refers to is the castle in Radient Gardens and has the memory from Ventus. The reason that Maleficent is there is because she had taken the castle as her own as it was where the Heartless first emerged from the experiments carried out by Xehanort and Ansem the Wise. So it was the first world to be connected. And Subsequently that is how Kairi, Ansem's Daughter was taken to Destiny Islands to seek refuge from the darkness that swallowed up her home world.

 

but Xemnas and ansem SoD went into the future too at KH3D...but wait...Ansem SoD can go to the past and future? :OO...I just don't get one thing...when Ansem SoD met YX that means that YX had already experienced that moment that's why Ansem SoD knew where to go.....who said Kairi is Ansem's daughter?? :OO

[Brennan Johns 0]

Well I was just watching KH1 walkthrough here at the archive and at times that castle neither seems as radiant garden,nor enchanted dominion ://...but they don't go just into the past,they go to the future as well...some in the past and some in the future since you can only move in one direction....the extent will be revelead at kh3 ..but even then there will be things that will still leave us doubt and will be expalined in the next game even though it won't be Xehanort saga...still they'll connect it somehow...that's sure

 

but Xemnas and ansem SoD went into the future too at KH3D...but wait...Ansem SoD can go to the past and future? :OO...I just don't get one thing...when Ansem SoD met YX that means that YX had already experienced that moment that's why Ansem SoD knew where to go.....who said Kairi is Ansem's daughter?? :OO

 

Xemnas and ansem that are seen in 3D are not from the past they were reborn, this is evident because they already had experienced their battles with Sora which they momentarily refer to before various battles. Most of them were actually there, like the organization 13 members that were restored. Another way to prove this is that if they weren't restored then they couldn't have been present anyway because of the rules of time travel saying that you have to have existed there in order to get there. I dont think that Heartless Ansem or xemnas ever actually time travel because seemingly only keyblade users can do this. making only true forms of Xehanort able to do this. Keep in mind that for young xehanort won't remember anything that happened after he returns to the past so he wont know what happens when he is gone. only that he saw the older version of himself and that he had gone into the future... there really is no way for him to know that he succeeded in any way other than to keep living his life and figuring it out. so he hasn't even figured out yet how its all supposed to work out. And he didn't even know that it was an older version of himself that told him how to go into the future.

 

As for Kairi, let's follow some basic logic. She is from Radiant Gardens. She lived in the Castle which is shown clearly in Kingdom Hearts 1 when Sora experiences a few of kairi's memories of her in the library, and of coarse in Birth by sleep when she is out front picking flowers. She also is one of the pure hearts which doesn't necessarily mean royalty however Ansem the Wise was their leader and at one point referred to as king ansem. Also the fact that she and her grandmother or nanny both made their way to the destiny Islands. no one else made it to the destiny Islands and the reason they did was because Ansem the Wise sent his daughter and her caretaker to escape the Heartless that were beginning to invade their world and were causing their world to fall into darkness. who else would have the ability to bridge the worlds in that way? Xehanort wouldn't have done it, and by the time it would have all started going down the Organization members were probably already changed.. or at least not having a good time... I'm not saying it's fact but it would be one hell of a coincidence...

[kristi-swat 61]

Xemnas and ansem that are seen in 3D are not from the past they were reborn, this is evident because they already had experienced their battles with Sora which they momentarily refer to before various battles. Most of them were actually there, like the organization 13 members that were restored. Another way to prove this is that if they weren't restored then they couldn't have been present anyway because of the rules of time travel saying that you have to have existed there in order to get there. I dont think that Heartless Ansem or xemnas ever actually time travel because seemingly only keyblade users can do this. making only true forms of Xehanort able to do this. Keep in mind that for young xehanort won't remember anything that happened after he returns to the past so he wont know what happens when he is gone. only that he saw the older version of himself and that he had gone into the future... there really is no way for him to know that he succeeded in any way other than to keep living his life and figuring it out. so he hasn't even figured out yet how its all supposed to work out. And he didn't even know that it was an older version of himself that told him how to go into the future.

 

As for Kairi, let's follow some basic logic. She is from Radiant Gardens. She lived in the Castle which is shown clearly in Kingdom Hearts 1 when Sora experiences a few of kairi's memories of her in the library, and of coarse in Birth by sleep when she is out front picking flowers. She also is one of the pure hearts which doesn't necessarily mean royalty however Ansem the Wise was their leader and at one point referred to as king ansem. Also the fact that she and her grandmother or nanny both made their way to the destiny Islands. no one else made it to the destiny Islands and the reason they did was because Ansem the Wise sent his daughter and her caretaker to escape the Heartless that were beginning to invade their world and were causing their world to fall into darkness. who else would have the ability to bridge the worlds in that way? Xehanort wouldn't have done it, and by the time it would have all started going down the Organization members were probably already changed.. or at least not having a good time... I'm not saying it's fact but it would be one hell of a coincidence...

 

about the 1st paragraph...you say that you think that Ansem SoD can't actually time travel...then how do you explain that he went back in time to tell YX his destiny????....and also...you just said that to go to the future you must have existed there to go...YX has never existed to the future and still he went there....it wasn't the older version of him....it was his hearless

 

well first of all at BBS we see kairi and her grandmother leaving the castle after she meets Aqua and not enter + everyone was allowed to enter the castle at the time...and wait...who told you that kairi went with her grandma at DI???...that is never mentioned..and she was sent there bcs of the magic that Aqua cast on her

[Brennan Johns 0]

about the 1st paragraph...you say that you think that Ansem SoD can't actually time travel...then how do you explain that he went back in time to tell YX his destiny????....and also...you just said that to go to the future you must have existed there to go...YX has never existed to the future and still he went there....it wasn't the older version of him....it was his hearless

 

well first of all at BBS we see kairi and her grandmother leaving the castle after she meets Aqua and not enter + everyone was allowed to enter the castle at the time...and wait...who told you that kairi went with her grandma at DI???...that is never mentioned..and she was sent there bcs of the magic that Aqua cast on her

 

 

Only Pure forms of xehanort, the one that can use the keyblade can timetravel. and his older self was there in the future which is why he can go there. And in the first or second game they say that she went there with her grandmother. if it was just because of aqua then her Grandmother wouldn't have been there. It also could indirectly explain why namine and diz got along so well. Ansem can not time travel nor did her time travel. only Xehanort. Now theoretically He could have wen back in time right before 3d and told himself what to do and it all could have been set up right then because he could just hop through time and explain to himself at different ages what had to be done next all in a matter of moments really. I'm saying that heartless ansem and xemnas never time traveled at all.

[kristi-swat 61]

I'll play the games again to see about this of the grandmather

no these events didn't happen before 3d..they happened way before bcs if they had happened before 3d the course of the previous installments would have been different,with no Xehanort at all,and you can't change the past..that's why

[kristi-swat 61]

Only Pure forms of xehanort, the one that can use the keyblade can timetravel. and his older self was there in the future which is why he can go there. And in the first or second game they say that she went there with her grandmother. if it was just because of aqua then her Grandmother wouldn't have been there. It also could indirectly explain why namine and diz got along so well. Ansem can not time travel nor did her time travel. only Xehanort. Now theoretically He could have wen back in time right before 3d and told himself what to do and it all could have been set up right then because he could just hop through time and explain to himself at different ages what had to be done next all in a matter of moments really. I'm saying that heartless ansem and xemnas never time traveled at all.

 

I just read an article of 2010 with Nomura and he says that Kairi went to DI bcs of Aqua's magic...and her grandma is nowhere to be named...

that's what is said:"Q6: Why did Kairi end up with Sora and Riku?

A: It has to do with Aqua�s �magic�.

 

Nine years before KH, Kairi was thrust into the outside world, and found herself on Sora and Riku�s world. Ansem Seeker of Darkness thought that she had been able to search for a keyblade wielder, but what actually saved her was the magic spell Aqua had put on her."

[Vexen 73]

Kairi being DiZ's daughter is certainly an interesting theory though...

[Heartless666 14]

Basically the plan didn't work and all the versions of MX went back to their original selves. They do not remember any of it (except for the original MX probably). So basically they are going to make a new plan.