KH3D [Spoilers] Braig and Organization XIII

[JTD95 1,107]

I've recently been thinking about something most of us think about, potensial members of the new Organization XIII. And an idea came to my mind about who one of the members could be. As you probably can tell by the title of this thread I'm assuming Braig is one of the Thirteen Seekers of Darkness. But why Braig? Xigbar is already a part of it. Why would Braig be needed too? Well, first off, it would be an easy way for Xehanort to quicly aquire two vessels. And second, even if Master Xehanort never intended to have two versions of Braig hosting his heart, it seems like it just happened anyways.

 

Sometime after Braig fought Terra in Birth by Sleep, Master Xehanort extracted a piece of his heart and inserted it into Braig. This we know due to Braig having yellow eyes and pointy ears later in the game when he encounters Aqua. Then, some time later Braig lost his heart to the darkness and was divided into a Heartless and a Nobody. This Nobody is the person we know as Xigbar. Now what is it that is so special about all Nobodies? Oh, they don't have hearts. When Xigbar was born he had no heart; he no longer had any pieces of Master Xehanort's heart inside him. And as revealed in Dream Drop Distance, Nobodies can grow their own hearts over time, which means that Xigbar grew a new heart over time. A heart without Xehanort in it. In order for Xigbar to be a vessel for Xehanort he would have to get a new piece inside him.

 

This idea seems unlikely but if he isn't a separate vessel, or if it isn't explained in any other ways, then we would be left with a small plot hole, unless someone can prove me wrong with other facts we've been given that I have over looked.

[Imoore4 687]

That's a really cool thing to set out!

But what's also crazy is the Video's Person is making a topic! :wacko:

[Col.Random 3,683]

Ok, no. The organization members i think are back as their normal selves, well except for Xemnas and Ansem.. So there's only Braig.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I've recently been thinking about something most of us think about, potensial members of the new Organization XIII. And an idea came to my mind about who one of the members could be. As you probably can tell by the title of this thread I'm assuming Braig is one of the Thirteen Seekers of Darkness. But why Braig? Xigbar is already a part of it. Why would Braig be needed too? Well, first off, it would be an easy way for Xehanort to quicly aquire two vessels. And second, even if Master Xehanort never intended to have two versions of Braig hosting his heart, it seems like it just happened anyways.

 

Sometime after Braig fought Terra in Birth by Sleep, Master Xehanort extracted a piece of his heart and inserted it into Braig. This we know due to Braig having yellow eyes and pointy ears later in the game when he encounters Aqua. Then, some time later Braig lost his heart to the darkness and was divided into a Heartless and a Nobody. This Nobody is the person we know as Xigbar. Now what is it that is so special about all Nobodies? Oh, they don't have hearts. When Xigbar was born he had no heart; he no longer had any pieces of Master Xehanort's heart inside him. And as revealed in Dream Drop Distance, Nobodies can grow their own hearts over time, which means that Xigbar grew a new heart over time. A heart without Xehanort in it. In order for Xigbar to be a vessel for Xehanort he would have to get a new piece inside him.

 

This idea seems unlikely but if he isn't a separate vessel, or if it isn't explained in any other ways, then we would be left with a small plot hole, unless someone can prove me wrong with other facts we've been given that I have over looked.

 

Well you have to factor in that the Xigbar shows up DDD might be from the present time (Not all the new Org were pulled from the past). You have to remember Braig has fully renounced his old self so it wouldn't suprise me that he is still using the name Xigbar especially since he is now half Nort. Edited August 6, 2012 by devereauxr

[JTD95 1,107]

But what's also crazy is the Video's Person is making a topic! :wacko:

 

Lol, why is that so wierd?

 

Ok, no. The organization members i think are back as their normal selves, well except for Xemnas and Ansem.. So there's only Braig.

 

Xigbar and Saïx didn't return like the others in Radiant Garden. Xigbar and Saïx are still Nobodies.

 

Well you have to factor in that the Xigbar shows up DDD might be from the present time (Not all the new Org were pulled from the past).

 

It doesn't matter whether the Xigbar in KH3D is from the past or if he never died in KH2 and the Xigbar in KH3D is from the present. What I said still remains the same:

- Braig was given a piece of Xehanort's heart.

- Xigbar was born without a heart, which means he no longer has this piece.

- Xigbar grew a heart of his own over time, a new heart without Xehanort in it.

- For Xigbar to be a vessel he would have to get a new piece inside him.

 

You have to remember Braig has fully renounced his old self so it wouldn't suprise me that he is still using the name Xigbar especially since he is now half Nort.

 

If the man in KH3D isn't Xigbar, but Braig still using the name Xigbar, then the game should have done a better job explaining that.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

It doesn't matter whether the Xigbar in KH3D is from the past or if he never died in KH2 and the Xigbar in KH3D is from the present. What I said still remains the same:

- Braig was given a piece of Xehanort's heart.

- Xigbar was born without a heart, which means he no longer has this piece.

- Xigbar grew a heart of his own over time, a new heart without Xehanort in it.

- For Xigbar to be a vessel he would have to get a new piece inside him.

 

-Briags own heart was released when he became a nobody. The Nort heart piece most likely would have stayed within the remaining shell (similar to roxas as it needed time to cultivate)

- Even if both Braig's heart and the Nort heart were released the heart that would have regrown would have still been a mixture of both Braig's and MX because that was what was there orginally. That's the purpose of the Nort heart to take over the the vessel completely, eventually engulfing the vessel's heart.

[BehemothSteve 4]

If Xehanort's heart left the vessel upon the bearer of the fragment becoming a Nobody, then Xemnas would have been Terra's Nobody and would likely have not been evil at all. If we assume that Braig lost his fragment of Xehanort, then we assume that Xemnas is Terra's Nobody and has no Xehanort influence.

 

In that short scene just before you start fighting Xemnas, but after the cutscene (that short "Boss Intro" kinda thing they do for most bosses) Xemnas says:

As your flesh bears the sigil, so your name shall be known as that...of a recusant.

In other words, just as there is an X on your body, there shall be one in your name. Theoretically, everyone in the new Organization (just like the old Organization) will therefore bear an X in their name and possibly one on their body. Also notice how upon arriving at The World That Never Was that Xigbar/Braig refers to Sora as both Sora and Roxas. Perhaps Xigbar's still stuck in the habit from KH2 of calling Sora Roxas or perhaps I'm reading more into this than I should. I don't know, I'm not Tetsuya Nomura. But it is possible that all the new Organization members still use the same naming system as they did before.

 

According to this way of thinking, both Xigbar and Saix may have indeed been restored to Braig and Isa respectively, but were quickly rerecruited into the Organization. But how could they have come back? They weren't in the castle with the other members. That's where things get tricky. With the addition of time travel, there's a lot of crazy things that could go down, but I'll ignore that as an option due to its complexity. Instead remember that the person is restored upon the destruction of it's Nobody AND it's Heartless. Maybe Isa and Braig were lucky enough to have their Heartless already dead by the time their Nobody was killed while the others hadn't had their Heartless killed off until afterwards. We don't know. There aren't enough details. Nomura left just enough vague details to make that situation possible.

 

I'm not going to try and list every bit of evidence I have for my theories because I'm not entirely convinced myself, so I guess you'll have to make due with that for now.

 

But anyway, Nomura's a wily dude. I've tried to guess his every move for a while now and he's thrown a wrench in the works every time for me. But yeah, maybe in the new Organization we'll see doubles of more than just Ansem since time travel makes all of that possible. Maybe we won't.

 

TL;DR - Nomura's crazy. Anything could happen.