KH3D Little confused story wise *Spoilers*

[LAA 13]

Hey,

 

I beat the game a while ago, and now I'm replaying it again, I'm reminded of some things I didnt understand.

1.What exactly are sora/riku doing and where are they? Like are any sleep worlds actually unlocked for real and where is riku after he "Awakens"?

2. I just beat the tron world again, and YMX was saying data doesnt dream, so is the tron world really a sleeping world?

3. I noticed the worlds incidents occur a little differently in both worlds, e.g. in notre dam world, frollo dies kinda willingly in riku's world, while in sora's he dies like in the movie, so why is this? And do they mean that these events may have occured in the reality?

4. At the very first cutscene with "Ansem" and "Braig", is it known when this takes place? Is it the very first time they become nobodies, or is this just when they are all being revived after their nobody's and heartless were defeated?

5. When the all the "Xehanorts" were gathered in the room, how come they all started to fade away? Also, am I correct when I say they're all being gathered there from a point when they still existed, and when they faded away they all return back to their time forgetting all what happened? Also, to travel through time, you have to lose your body, so how can ansem, xemnas, YMX all attack you? My theory was that since its in a dream they can exist there more physically, but unsure.

 

A lot of questions, sorry for that, ha ha. I would be grateful to however answers any.

Thanks

[TheStoner 2]

1. They are in the realm of sleep exploring worlds that have become trapped in sleep. They have been tasked with awakening the worlds as a means of testing and in order to gain the ability to wake those trapped in sleep.

2.From what I gather the Tron world is a part of a larger material world. Which is where Sam escapes to in Riku's version of the world.

3.The events are somewhat based on what really happend in the history of the world as shown in Sora's version of pranksters paradise where Sora learns how pinocchio ended up in monstro but it isn't a exact retelling.

4.It is when Xehanort became a heartless as evidenced by him saying that his name is now Ansem.

5. Yeh this is a bit unclear.

[Nohjx 157]

1. Hard to explain but yes they are unlocked. Sora unlocked them..and Riku (some people believe) unlocked the hurting people's locks...I have to play the game myself to fully comprehend it.

2.It is a sleeping world. Before the world fell in to darkness Ansem the Wise copied it on to his computer (space paranoids, kh2) so yes this world is a sleeping world.

3.It's basicly just Sora does it in the actual sleeping worlds, and Riku is in his dream, it's basicly just alternate reality, these people in the sleeping worlds are just "dreams created by the sleeping worlds" not the real thing.

4. That scene was from when they first became Nobodies.

5. Some are rumoured not to ALL be Xehanort. They returned to their time, or wherever they are (exiting the dream realm), they basicly just all left. The one's that time traveled won't remember. Last thing is...Nomura logic really but basicly since theyre original self (Master Xehanort) exists they can...who the hell knows it's Nomura and prolly won't even matter in the future.

[Allpro11414 71]

1. Yes Sora and Riku are in the sleeping worlds and they do awaken them, and im not clear what you mean about the Riku thing.

 

3. Its easier to just think of them as two separate stories that are connected at certain points.

 

4. That cutscene happens years before KH1.

 

5.You are correct they could only be there for a certain amount of time before they go back to their own time period however im not too clear if only YMX forgets what happened or they all do

[LAA 13]

1. Hard to explain but yes they are unlocked. Sora unlocked them..and Riku (some people believe) unlocked the hurting people's locks...I have to play the game myself to fully comprehend it.

2.It is a sleeping world. Before the world fell in to darkness Ansem the Wise copied it on to his computer (space paranoids, kh2) so yes this world is a sleeping world.

3.It's basicly just Sora does it in the actual sleeping worlds, and Riku is in his dream, it's basicly just alternate reality, these people in the sleeping worlds are just "dreams created by the sleeping worlds" not the real thing.

4. That scene was from when they first became Nobodies.

5. Some are rumoured not to ALL be Xehanort. They returned to their time, or wherever they are (exiting the dream realm), they basicly just all left. The one's that time traveled won't remember. Last thing is...Nomura logic really but basicly since theyre original self (Master Xehanort) exists they can...who the hell knows it's Nomura and prolly won't even matter in the future.

 

Ah thanks! The very first cutscene still confuses me a little though. It seems braig thought he was terra-xehanort. I was thinking maybe ansem possessed him?

All the other answers made it a clear to me now, thanks for that!

Only other thing I'm not sure about is how wa sora brought to TWTNW? Did the organsation just manipulate him to get there?

 

Also what I mean by "Riku awakening", is after he defeats ansem. Like if he was in soras dream before, where would be then?

Edited July 25, 2012 by LAA

[MegaNeku 14]

^^ above is a pretty good explanation

 

but for:

 

3. Are there any other worlds apart from notre dam like this? I thought the worlds events happened one after the other, a bit like birth by sleep. In notre dams world where he jumps off he may not have died, because the flames keep Riku floating enough to have that battle. Maybe frollo survived the drop to the lower level of the cathedral? Also after you beat that boss with riku it falls, and when you play as sora on the ground the boss falls from the sky. Apart from this small thing I thought the other worlds pretty much ran like this but they just didnt see each other, e.g in the musketeers world riku saves the day with the wooden wheel.

 

5. They all started to fade away because their time ran out conveniently, so they had to return to their own time. I doubt they forgot everything, they probably knew about what happened in the other games as well as they cant change the events that happened. They needed vessels, like when riku turned into ansem he didnt keep his form that time, so maybe they already gave up their bodies but possessed other vessels? I dunno I guess it's just a dream so anything can happen.. but will be explained in time (hopefully)

[Nohjx 157]

Ah thanks! The very first cutscene still confuses me a little though. It seems braig thought he was terra-xehanort. I was thinking maybe ansem possessed him?

All the other answers made it a clear to me now, thanks for that!

Only other thing I'm not sure about is how wa sora brought to TWTNW? Did the organsation just manipulate him to get there?

 

Yeah he basicly just was in shock and still recognized him as terra-nort. Right after Ursula is defeated Ansem SoD shows up to mess with Sora, the WHOLE time they were going along with him, and finnaly got him there at the last keyhole. When Ansem also does this Riku goes in to Sora's dreams and blah blah you know about that. Riku while in the sleeping worlds unlocks the pain that people connected to Sora have, if you notice Sora gets angry/more upset in every world, because of the hurt that's being unleashed.

 

Ah thanks! The very first cutscene still confuses me a little though. It seems braig thought he was terra-xehanort. I was thinking maybe ansem possessed him?

All the other answers made it a clear to me now, thanks for that!

Only other thing I'm not sure about is how wa sora brought to TWTNW? Did the organsation just manipulate him to get there?

 

Also what I mean by "Riku awakening", is after he defeats ansem. Like if he was in soras dream before, where would be then?

 

Riku thought he was in the real world, but Sora went in a dream within a dream, so Riku is still in Sora's dreams, but Sora went deeper.

[EternalChange 303]

1. Yes Sora and Riku are in the sleeping worlds and they do awaken them, and im not clear what you mean about the Riku thing.

 

3. Its easier to just think of them as two separate stories that are connected at certain points.

 

4. That cutscene happens years before KH1.

 

5.You are correct they could only be there for a certain amount of time before they go back to their own time period however im not too clear if only YMX forgets what happened or they all do

 

 

 

4. It probably DOESN'T happen a year before KH1, because Lea probably lost his heart when the heartless invaded, and that happened 7 years before KH1.

[Allpro11414 71]

4. It probably DOESN'T happen a year before KH1, because Lea probably lost his heart when the heartless invaded, and that happened 7 years before KH1.

 

If you look at my post i said YEARS

[EternalChange 303]

If you look at my post i said YEARS

 

Oh. Sorry

[NumberXIII.Roxas 64]

 

3. Are there any other worlds apart from notre dam like this? I thought the worlds events happened one after the other, a bit like birth by sleep. In notre dams world where he jumps off he may not have died, because the flames keep Riku floating enough to have that battle. Maybe frollo survived the drop to the lower level of the cathedral? Also after you beat that boss with riku it falls, and when you play as sora on the ground the boss falls from the sky. Apart from this small thing I thought the other worlds pretty much ran like this but they just didnt see each other, e.g in the musketeers world riku saves the day with the wooden wheel.

 

5. They all started to fade away because their time ran out conveniently, so they had to return to their own time. I doubt they forgot everything, they probably knew about what happened in the other games as well as they cant change the events that happened. They needed vessels, like when riku turned into ansem he didnt keep his form that time, so maybe they already gave up their bodies but possessed other vessels? I dunno I guess it's just a dream so anything can happen.. but will be explained in time (hopefully)

 

3. I don't think it happens like birth by sleep. If what I believe is correct, and how Joshua explains Traverse Town applies to all worlds, then Sora and Riku have two different versions of the worlds in two seperate "realities", one being Sora's dreams, the other, Riku's dream within Sora's, which would explain Frollo's survival, and the reappearance of bosses.

 

5. Here's how I see it: the only one who "really" time-traveled is Young Xehanort. His job was to collect the other incarnations of himself across the time-lines, and bring them with him, so they wouldn't actually need to time travel, just stick to him. I don't think they needed to possess anybody, nor would they forget what happened, since they're going to be destroyed anyway. I don't know. The whole concept is just way too confusing

[Allpro11414 71]

Oh. Sorry

 

No prob its okay

[MegaNeku 14]

3. I don't think it happens like birth by sleep. If what I believe is correct, and how Joshua explains Traverse Town applies to all worlds, then Sora and Riku have two different versions of the worlds in two seperate "realities", one being Sora's dreams, the other, Riku's dream within Sora's, which would explain Frollo's survival, and the reappearance of bosses.

 

5. Here's how I see it: the only one who "really" time-traveled is Young Xehanort. His job was to collect the other incarnations of himself across the time-lines, and bring them with him, so they wouldn't actually need to time travel, just stick to him. I don't think they needed to possess anybody, nor would they forget what happened, since they're going to be destroyed anyway. I don't know. The whole concept is just way too confusing

 

ok fair enough. i said its a bit like birth by sleep as in sora does events first then riku does the later parts and sometimes vice versa, but still, what about the musketeer world? when riku finds the gear and puts it back in place it saves sora and the gang.

[LAA 13]

Interesting talk going on here, ha ha. As for the whole 2 world talk, I remember in traverse town seeing the projection of sora/riku, so I can only guess Soras actions influence his dreams in some way. Maybe for the musketeers world, perhaps it's just the dream the world dreamt of so must always happen?

I'm still unsure if tron world is really a sleeping world. I think it must be, but I don't know why YMX is hinting to him that "data doesn't sleep" and "you really think you're in the realm of sleep."?

[NumberXIII.Roxas 64]

ok fair enough. i said its a bit like birth by sleep as in sora does events first then riku does the later parts and sometimes vice versa, but still, what about the musketeer world? when riku finds the gear and puts it back in place it saves sora and the gang.

 

Yeah lol I think it goes with the whole "dream within a dream" thing. Riku did something in his dream that, since it was within Sora's, affected Sora's dream. I don't know way to complicated

[MegaNeku 14]

haha, kk, that makes sense... i think... maybe i should watch inception a few more times..

 

and yeah LAA, the tron world seemed a bit different though, maybe not all worlds are the same. i mean sora is the one the organisation is truely after, so maybe riku is actually in the real dream worlds while sora is in a manipulated organisations version? however riku is able to help him out some times... hmm