Razorwind Keyblade 304 Posted July 17, 2012 Just wanted to bring this topic up because there's been a lot of controversy over Maleficent using the word "hell" in Brith By Sleep. She told Prince Phillip and Aquq to "see all the powers of hell". She was obviously talking about the place hell. Ya know, where the devil resides. Maleficent IS the devil. Many cartoons use characters that are really the devil but have names that are no where even close to the devil and have no noticable similarities. Maleficent was obviously supposed to be a female version of the devil. Maleficent means evil and that was likely the closest name that Disney could find to "devil". A lot of cartoons have hell in them, including Disney. At large, there is no hell in Kingdom Hearts but it is still in Final Fantasy and Disney. Maleficent was talking about the place hell obviously, but I guess it's understandable why people would think otherwise. Many E10+ games use words like "hell" and "damn". Why is this such a big deal? How old are you? 10? It's not a big deal. The place known as hell exsists in many video games and cartoons. I doubt they could get away with using the word "hell" on a TV-Y7 show but they still use it in ways most children wouldn't notice right away. This includes the devil as well who is used more. Right off the top of my head: Hades from the Disney movie Hercules is basicly the devil. They call him the "Lord of the Dead" inthe movie and Kingdom Hearts because their supposed to be kids/family movies/games. His appearence is like a devil with his flaming hot red hair when he gets angry and the whole Underworld as his base of operations. In Greek mythology, Hades is not the devil, just the lord of the dead. In Disney, it's the complete opposite. Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty is also meant to be a devil like character. As I stated, Maleficent means "evil". The devil is evil. Maleficent is probably the closest they could come to a devil reference. The Red Guy from Cow & Chicken is another example. He already admit he was the devil in the pilot epsiode of the show back in 1995. That wasn't long ago so I doubt the rules for TV-Y7 shows have changed that much. His appearence is also very reminiscint to the devil. I guess you can say Cow & Chicken is an exception though because it was always firetrucked up and was never a good show for kids, despite it's TV-Y7 rating. Him from The Powerpuff Girls is probably my best example. He was probably the most clear example of the devil to date. For starters "Him" stands for "His Infernal Magesty", a.k.a. the devil so the creators of the show where smart when they made this character. His voice is that of like.. 5 different people so I don't think I even need to get started there. Obvious reference to Satan and hell. There's also many more but I think I've used enough for this particular character. So why are people making such a big fuss over Maleficent using the world "hell" in Birth By Sleep. She's the devil, Nomura's not gonna turn one of Disney's best villains into some kiddish child friendly whore. Why can't she use the word "hell"? You're basicly telling the devil not to curse. Why would you take such a risk? lol. This ain't a big deal peepers. Discuss. 7 Aqua7KH, Yang, Nohjx and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khrulesbbs 574 Posted July 17, 2012 here we goes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ienzo88755 11 Posted July 17, 2012 Well I don't believe in hell sooo.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shana09 5,769 Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) Let's not forget: The Hunchback of Notre Dame dat Frollo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA this explains so much Edited July 17, 2012 by Shana09 5 Yang, Razorwind Keyblade, Girgi Girgin and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) Its not a big deal imo. Also i think some people look too deep into things . Edited July 17, 2012 by Flaming Lea 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nohjx 157 Posted July 17, 2012 Although the Christian "hell" is not my belief I still think that it is immature to make a fuss of some one saying the word "hell". I've said it before in a post that "curse" words are only made "curse" words because society turned them into them. Who cares if someone says a "curse" word anyway, if a person had any level of maturity they wouldn't go "oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm telling you mommy!", or make any other big deal out of it. So I'm going to have to side with you on this one. Let's not forget: The Hunchback of Notre Dame dat Frollo http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA this explains so much I know right..and in the original japanese DDD trailer (don't remember which) Frollo made references to religion yet people are freaking out over the word "hell". 1 Razorwind Keyblade reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Razorwind Keyblade 304 Posted July 17, 2012 Its not a big deal imo. Also i think some people look too deep into things . I'm not looking too deep into things, just using supporting evidence and facts to back up my argument, unlike a lot of Kingdom Hearts fans. here we goes As if I'm doing something bad? Gooby pls. 2 Cyber Shaman and Nohjx reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shana09 5,769 Posted July 17, 2012 Although the Christian "hell" is not my belief I still think that it is immature to make a fuss of some one saying the word "hell". I've said it before in a post that "curse" words are only made "curse" words because society turned them into them. Who cares if someone says a "curse" word anyway, if a person had any level of maturity they wouldn't go "oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm telling you mommy!", or make any other big deal out of it. So I'm going to have to side with you on this one. I know right..and in the original japanese DDD trailer (don't remember which) Frollo made references to religion yet people are freaking out over the word "hell". I know It's not a big deal But I firetruckin love Hunchback and the song "Hellfire." @Topic I don't really care if people get butthurt over the fact Maleficent used hell, I'm sorry but people say it 50 billion times in the world but noooooooooo once it is said in KH they totally flip their shit. 1 Nohjx reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted July 17, 2012 I'm not looking too deep into things, just using supporting evidence and facts to back up my argument, unlike a lot of Kingdom Hearts fans. As if I'm doing something bad? Gooby pls. I wasnt refering to you ..I was speaking in general and mostly about those complaining about this. 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nohjx 157 Posted July 17, 2012 I'm not looking too deep into things, just using supporting evidence and facts to back up my argument, unlike a lot of Kingdom Hearts fans. As if I'm doing something bad? Gooby pls. I've seen some posts you've made and I've thought "wow so mean", but I was wrong, you sir are an intelligent person... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Girgi Girgin 38 Posted July 17, 2012 Let's not forget: The Hunchback of Notre Dame dat Frollo http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA this explains so much Yes, i was going to say something about The Hunchback of Notre Dame, but you explain nicely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishira 2,854 Posted July 17, 2012 I wish Sora and Riku...or any of the other main characters would say hell or damn. That'd make my day. =w= 1 Xalaru reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Riku 2,063 Posted July 17, 2012 If I'm not mistaken, in the Japanese Re:COM, Sora says hell as well. He says to Axel "What the hell are you people?!" 3 Aqua7KH, Kishira and Nohjx reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nohjx 157 Posted July 17, 2012 I wish Sora and Riku...or any of the other main characters would say hell or damn. That'd make my day. =w= Sora did once..but it was in japanese so... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Razorwind Keyblade 304 Posted July 17, 2012 Let's not forget: The Hunchback of Notre Dame dat Frollo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA this explains so much Yeah, I completley forgot about Judge Claude Frollo. It's been a while since I seen the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Disney uses countless references to hell in their movies. Frollo talking about religon is a bigger deal than Maleficent saying "hell". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shana09 5,769 Posted July 17, 2012 Yes, i was going to say something about The Hunchback of Notre Dame, but you explain nicely. Sank you<3 I wish Sora and Riku...or any of the other main characters would say hell or damn. That'd make my day. =w= Also It's funny that KH3D is said to be a darker game...ahahahahahahahahahahahaha I can see Riku saying it. I think he did say damn? If I'm not mistaken, in the Japanese Re:COM, Sora says hell as well. He says to Axel "What the hell are you people?!" He did owo which scene? 1 Girgi Girgin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SquareSora 133 Posted July 17, 2012 i dont see whats wrong with the word "hell" in kh. there is no problem using it,so why are we haveing this discussion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nohjx 157 Posted July 17, 2012 Sank you<3 Also It's funny that KH3D is said to be a darker game...ahahahahahahahahahahahaha I can see Riku saying it. I think he did say damn? He did owo which scene? In the scene where Axel kills Vexen 1 Kishira reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozombie 4,554 Posted July 17, 2012 People make a big deal about the cursing because OMG they're gonna corrupt our precious innocent children! Apparently they've never played multiplayer over XBox and heard what the 12-year-olds say. But who cares because our children our precious and we must shelter them from the EEEVILS of the world before they become criminals! 1 Razorwind Keyblade reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishira 2,854 Posted July 17, 2012 Sora did once..but it was in japanese so... That doesn't count! x'D I can see Riku saying it. I think he did say damn? I can definatly see Riku saying that. *remembers panel with David when he said 'shit'* =w= <3333333 1 Nohjx reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rizzyy 736 Posted July 17, 2012 idk why people bs over things like this so what? at least she didn't say shit or firetruck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Razorwind Keyblade 304 Posted July 17, 2012 People make a big deal about the cursing because OMG they're gonna corrupt our precious innocent children! Apparently they've never played multiplayer over XBox and heard what the 12-year-olds say. But who cares because our children our precious and we must shelter them from the EEEVILS of the world before they become criminals! LOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col.Random 3,683 Posted July 17, 2012 1] Maleficent is not the devil, she borrowed(or stole, i don't really know) her powers from the devil. 2]Really, people make a big deal out of someone saying "hell"? I say it all the time and i even use the word firetruck(where I.R.E.T.R.U.C.K are silent letters ) so what does that make me? Some kind of lusty satanist? PEOPLE ARE RETARDS!! 3]I don't think Malefacent is evil, i think she just needs a big, warm hug . lol jk. 1 Rizzyy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nohjx 157 Posted July 17, 2012 idk why people bs over things like this so what? at least she didn't say shit or firetruck I bet if an actual Fire Truck is ever in the Kingdom Hearts series, and Sora says "ohhhh look a fire truck" this whole forum is just going to pop it's lid in laughter. 1 Col.Random reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Razorwind Keyblade 304 Posted July 17, 2012 1] Maleficent is not the devil, she borrowed(or stole, i don't really know) her powers from the devil. 2]Really, people make a big deal out of someone saying "hell"? I say it all the time and i even use the word firetruck(where I.R.E.T.R.U.C.K are silent letters ) so what does that make me? Some kind of lusty satanist? PEOPLE ARE RETARDS!! 3]I don't think Malefacent is evil, i think she just needs a big, warm hug . lol jk. She is the devil. Too many obvious references. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
