Valerio GigaGnabbò Gigante 4 Posted May 27, 2012 So in this video: http://kh13.com/videos/3d/jap-cut/73-i-always-get-stuck-with-the-icky-jobs/ we see the rebirth of old Organization XIII. Dear Nomura, you could get at least two non-sense things in one cutscene! First one; why if they were dead at different times, they are reborn at the same one? Come on, Zexion/Ienzo was dead at least one year before Axel/Lea. I don't get it why this The second one; Axel made Riku's Replica kill Zexion and after all this cruel way to die...Axel and Zexion speaking as good friend? Have you forgot, Nomura, Chain of Memories? In other video: http://kh13.com/videos/3d/jap-cut/107-transferring-the-worlds-data/ Oh yeah cool, Lea is back..BUT WHY HE USES DARKNESS PORTAL? Nomura, did you forget that you must be a darkness creature tu use those? But that's not possibile, Lea get a keyblade the same day! Ah, i hate also the fact that now Codec is important for the plot, i hate that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atheist123 583 Posted May 27, 2012 Lol . . .anyone can use a darkness portal: its just not advisable to. Riku lost his ability to summon them when he was exposed to the light released from the KH decoder not because he wasn't "dark" anymore while Lea is still someone of darkness (he hasn't repented for the bad stuff he did as Axel) who hasn't been exposed to anything as strange as a KH decoder. Their revival is probably linked to Young Xehanort in some way (or their heartless weren't defeated yet?). Some of the org. members weren't in KH3D so maybe Marluxia, Larxene etc were revived earlier . . .just the ones that we did see in KH3D that weren't revived until later due to not having heartless defeated yet. I don't know what is canon in CoM . . .does Axel confront Zexion about it before Repliku kills him? idk. Maybe Zexion has forgiven Axel . . . at any rate the character of Axel shown in CoM is very different to his other representations so this particular thing probably isn't considered canon. But yeah, good point! Just go with it; its easier that way 1 replika13 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingdomKatherine 272 Posted May 27, 2012 *swoons* Ahhh... Axel... or Lea... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinode 3,056 Posted May 27, 2012 So in this video: http://kh13.com/vide...-the-icky-jobs/ we see the rebirth of old Organization XIII. Dear Nomura, you could get at least two non-sense things in one cutscene! First one; why if they were dead at different times, they are reborn at the same one? Come on, Zexion/Ienzo was dead at least one year before Axel/Lea. I don't get it why this They were all killed the same day, by Xehanort. If you mean Zexion's death as a Nobody, that's a different story. Remember, Their HEARTLESS might have been killed around the same time. And a Nobody won't go back to human as soon as a heartless and a nobody are born, there'sa time gap before they fully materialize. The second one; Axel made Riku's Replica kill Zexion and after all this cruel way to die...Axel and Zexion speaking as good friend? Have you forgot, Nomura, Chain of Memories? Because thanks to Axel they were revived? In other video: http://kh13.com/vide...he-worlds-data/ Oh yeah cool, Lea is back..BUT WHY HE USES DARKNESS PORTAL? Nomura, did you forget that you must be a darkness creature tu use those? But that's not possibile, Lea get a keyblade the same day! Because he still has the powers of a Nobody. He knew it was risky, but he had to use the portal one last time, in order to get to Disney Castle and talk to King Mickey about getting a Keyblade, in order to save Roxas. After talking to Yen Sid, he was sent to a place where the fairies and wizard(Three faeries and Merlin) manipulated time. So in reality, he spent much longer training then we think. Ah, i hate also the fact that now Codec is important for the plot, i hate that. Stop complaining and accept that all the games are important u_u Lol . . .anyone can use a darkness portal: its just not advisable to. Riku lost his ability to summon them when he was exposed to the light released from the KH decoder not because he wasn't "dark" anymore while Lea is still someone of darkness (he hasn't repented for the bad stuff he did as Axel) who hasn't been exposed to anything as strange as a KH decoder. Their revival is probably linked to Young Xehanort in some way (or their heartless weren't defeated yet?). Some of the org. members weren't in KH3D so maybe Marluxia, Larxene etc were revived earlier . . .just the ones that we did see in KH3D that weren't revived until later due to not having heartless defeated yet. I don't know what is canon in CoM . . .does Axel confront Zexion about it before Repliku kills him? idk. Maybe Zexion has forgiven Axel . . . at any rate the character of Axel shown in CoM is very different to his other representations so this particular thing probably isn't considered canon. But yeah, good point! Just go with it; its easier that way About this, you're wrong. Everything in Re: CoM is considered canon, what isn't canon is the Manga and perhaps a couple of parts in the GBA version. Therefore, Axel convinced Riku Repica that he had to kill Zexion so that he didn't spread what he knew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waller-pearson 60 Posted May 27, 2012 About this, you're wrong. Everything in Re: CoM is considered canon, what isn't canon is the Manga and perhaps a couple of parts in the GBA version. Therefore, Axel convinced Riku Repica that he had to kill Zexion so that he didn't spread what he knew. canon means part of the plot, right??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinode 3,056 Posted May 27, 2012 canon means part of the plot, right??? Short for "canonical": It means official, confirmed.Therefore, an official part of the plot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valerio GigaGnabbò Gigante 4 Posted May 27, 2012 I meant this: Axel made Riku's replica kill Zexion (and Zexion wasn't neither a betrayer of Organization XIII but a founding Member). Well, let's go one point by one. 1- Rebirth of Organization: the fact that their Heartless could have been killed during the same time might be a good point. But it stilly is a twisting thing. 2- Axel did nothing to make them revive, if there is someone to be thankful for Organization XIII this is Sora for sure (or Riku) who "kill" them. 3- Zexion must be angry against Axel, it's not possibile for him to not to be. 4- All that is in the game is canon, so even Zexion's death. To covering Nomura's plothole (THERE ARE A LOTS) he cannot decide who is canon or not, if it's already in the game. It's not fair for the player. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akihiko 1,628 Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) Anyone that uses the darkness can use the portal. Ienzo should be glad Axel killed his nobody. He's a somebody because of him. The revival only happens when both Heartless and Nobody are defeated. So that means they woke up first beause their heartless were defeated first. Lea trained in a space where time flows differently with Merlin and the three fairies, so he had aneough time to acquire one, and he couldn't summon it until that part of the ending. He said it himself. Edited May 27, 2012 by Golden Ultima 2 HarLea Quinn and Kinode reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valerio GigaGnabbò Gigante 4 Posted May 27, 2012 If that is right, why Organization XIII simply kill each other? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waller-pearson 60 Posted May 27, 2012 Short for "canonical": It means official, confirmed. Therefore, an official part of the plot. you, sir, are quite helpful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinode 3,056 Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) If that is right, why Organization XIII simply kill each other? Because Xemnas lied to them, and told them the only way to become humans again would be completing Kingdom Hearts.That was all part of his plan to use Kingdom Hearts as an intermediary to transform all the Nobodies into Xehanort Vessels. Edited May 27, 2012 by Kinode 2 replika13 and HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted May 27, 2012 Anyone that uses the darkness can use the portal. Ienzo should be glad Axel killed his nobody. He's a somebody because of him. The revival only happens when both Heartless and Nobody are defeated. So that means they woke up first beause their heartless were defeated first. Lea trained in a space where time flows differently with Merlin and the three fairies, so he had aneough time to acquire one, and he couldn't summon it until that part of the ending. He said it himself. This ... and i would like to point out something else . For a large amount of time , as Xemnas was building his fake kingdom hearts , all the hearts of slain heartless were captured and sent to the fake KH... So they werent free to unite with the Nobodies after they were defeated till the fake KH was destroyed , freeing all those hearts AT THE SAME TIME . Which is how they ended up reviving at the same time despite their nobodies dying at different times. 3 Xalaru, atheist123 and Akihiko reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replika13 455 Posted May 27, 2012 If that is right, why Organization XIII simply kill each other? Because Xemnas needed them to cultivate secretly new hearts and then split MXs heart into them, making 13 vessels of darkness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valerio GigaGnabbò Gigante 4 Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) Yes, Xemnas lied to them but when Ienzo woke up in Radiant Garden he didn't know that! Edited May 27, 2012 by Valerio GigaGnabbò Gigante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bosh104 51 Posted May 28, 2012 So in this video: http://kh13.com/vide...-the-icky-jobs/ we see the rebirth of old Organization XIII. Dear Nomura, you could get at least two non-sense things in one cutscene! First one; why if they were dead at different times, they are reborn at the same one? Come on, Zexion/Ienzo was dead at least one year before Axel/Lea. I don't get it why this The second one; Axel made Riku's Replica kill Zexion and after all this cruel way to die...Axel and Zexion speaking as good friend? Have you forgot, Nomura, Chain of Memories? In other video: http://kh13.com/vide...he-worlds-data/ Oh yeah cool, Lea is back..BUT WHY HE USES DARKNESS PORTAL? Nomura, did you forget that you must be a darkness creature tu use those? But that's not possibile, Lea get a keyblade the same day! Ah, i hate also the fact that now Codec is important for the plot, i hate that. I think CoM is very important to the plot, but... Coded? How is Coded important... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G-SANtos 105 Posted May 28, 2012 Ah, i hate also the fact that now Codec is important for the plot, i hate that. EVERY game is important to the plot, even coded. There are some games that are less crucial than others, but none of them is irrelevant the exception of V-CAST (non-canon) and Mobile (no plot or development to the story). Don't forget that the main reason for KH3D is connecting all the previous games and setting the plot for KHIII. I think CoM is very important to the plot, but... Coded? How is Coded important... I don't know the details, but Maleficent mentioned the data worlds and wanted them for some reason. Maybe revenge. I'll find out once I have the chance to play it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
