KHCoM Why did Sora have to go to sleep and all that?

[Xenidal 36]

If Namine was able to alter Sora's original memories and replace Kairi with herself... and do that while Sora was awake... then why did he have to go to sleep for her to simply swap herself with Kairi again? And why did it take so long... she was able to completely mess up his memory in the small amount of time that it took him to make his way through the castle so I don't see why changing it a second time tooked so long. Additionally, she said that she never "erased" his memories to begin with and simply "rearranged the chains"... so bringing them back should be even easier then before when she had to create new memories from scratch.

 

Also... why did Sora have to give up the memories from the castle in order to regain his old memories? I can understand giving up the memories that Namine tampered with, but all the other stuff... him meeting the Organization... fighting the Riku Replica... and meeting Namine... those were new memories. It doesn't make sense that he would have had to have forgotten all of that as well.

[Roxie 71]

Interesting fact dude. I mean I wonder sometimes too.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Its a lot easier/ faster to break things than to fix things ..

[Iamkingdomhearts1000 1,170]

If Namine was able to alter Sora's original memories and replace Kairi with herself... and do that while Sora was awake... then why did he have to go to sleep for her to simply swap herself with Kairi again? And why did it take so long... she was able to completely mess up his memory in the small amount of time that it took him to make his way through the castle so I don't see why changing it a second time tooked so long. Additionally, she said that she never "erased" his memories to begin with and simply "rearranged the chains"... so bringing them back should be even easier then before when she had to create new memories from scratch.

 

Also... why did Sora have to give up the memories from the castle in order to regain his old memories? I can understand giving up the memories that Namine tampered with, but all the other stuff... him meeting the Organization... fighting the Riku Replica... and meeting Namine... those were new memories. It doesn't make sense that he would have had to have forgotten all of that as well.

 

Messing up things is more easier then simply just putting them back in their proper places altogether, it's because that it was easy to mess things up in the first place that it was more harder to put them back in the places that they originally came from, know what i mean?

Edited May 26, 2012 by Iamkingdomhearts1000

[XIIISwords 1,059]

Its a lot easier/ faster to break things than to fix things ..

 

His answer for the top part.

Also... why did Sora have to give up the memories from the castle in order to regain his old memories? I can understand giving up the memories that Namine tampered with, but all the other stuff... him meeting the Organization... fighting the Riku Replica... and meeting Namine... those were new memories. It doesn't make sense that he would have had to have forgotten all of that as well.

 

My guess (not confirmed) is that if memories are like a chain, then each one is unique and linked together with each one. Since Namine removed the links of his original memory, the new memories (Castle Oblivion) fit into the new chain. When she had to put the old memories back in, they wouldn't fit with the new ones because they were differently shaped. So the only way to get his memory back to normal was to remove the "new" memories.

[hatok 6,413]

It's probably not impossible, just a lot harder. Think about it, if Sora was awake during that tim, he'd be going around making NEW memories based on the fake ones, so Naimne would have to fix those ones as well!

[animemylove 439]

If Namine was able to alter Sora's original memories and replace Kairi with herself... and do that while Sora was awake... then why did he have to go to sleep for her to simply swap herself with Kairi again? And why did it take so long... she was able to completely mess up his memory in the small amount of time that it took him to make his way through the castle so I don't see why changing it a second time tooked so long. Additionally, she said that she never "erased" his memories to begin with and simply "rearranged the chains"... so bringing them back should be even easier then before when she had to create new memories from scratch.

 

Also... why did Sora have to give up the memories from the castle in order to regain his old memories? I can understand giving up the memories that Namine tampered with, but all the other stuff... him meeting the Organization... fighting the Riku Replica... and meeting Namine... those were new memories. It doesn't make sense that he would have had to have forgotten all of that as well.

 

I believe she was able to do it all so quickly in CoM because that was part of the issue that happens when you enter castle oblivion, you begin to forget things from your past, with that happening Namine was probably able to easily re-write his memories compared to taking them back apart and placing them back together while linking sora back to everyone (kairi, leon, yuffie etc.) Also, i think losing his memories of C.O were just a price of him wanting to leave.

[Dave 5,715]

If we can use a computer analogy: think of the memories that Sora gained within Castle Oblivion as corrupted data. If you were to keep it in the system, it would only screw up any other memories present and eventually lead to a crash. Specifically, the problem is the memories of Namine herself and the manufactured love story between her and Sora. If Sora kept those memories around, he would be conflicted over his true love interest, Kairi, and have his emotions manipulated based on events that hadn't happened at all. Also, because the philosophy of the game is the importance of truth, Sora deems it preferable to have real memories over false ones, thus necessitating the purging of the corrupted thoughts.

 

As for why Sora had to go to sleep: having thoughts and memories pop in and out of your head is bound to be disorienting, and it seems to be for his own good that he doesn't experience several mind-effs while still awake. Look at how he handled having his memories of the island chipped away at: irritability, irrational thought, and violent mood swings. If you do it while he's asleep, there's less chance he kills someone. Also, if you're dealing with putting the memories back, it's going to be easier if Sora isn't making new ones through new experiences and actions, thus cluttering up the process even more.

 

As for why it takes so long: 358 Days explains that the existence of Xion and Roxas hamper the process more than a little, as they hold a few of Sora's memories within them.

[Rob 5,571]

Sora's mom called Namine and told her to make Sora go to sleep for all the curfews he broke after he left Destiny Islands.

[XIIISwords 1,059]

Sora's mom called Namine and told her to make Sora go to sleep for all the curfews he broke after he left Destiny Islands.

 

She would have yelled at Sora for running in houses first...

[Keyblade Master Xine 196]

I believe she was able to do it all so quickly in CoM because that was part of the issue that happens when you enter castle oblivion, you begin to forget things from your past, with that happening Namine was probably able to easily re-write his memories compared to taking them back apart and placing them back together while linking sora back to everyone (kairi, leon, yuffie etc.) Also, i think losing his memories of C.O were just a price of him wanting to leave.

 

Castle Oblivion doesn't tamper with your memories; that was Namine all along. Marluxia lied to Sora.

[Xenidal 36]

Sora's mom called Namine and told her to make Sora go to sleep for all the curfews he broke after he left Destiny Islands.

 

I'm still wondering what ever happened to his mom after the island was destroyed (although I'm assuming she's back after the island returned to normal)... and where did Sora's house go to? lol You can explore the island but the house is nowhere in sight... and that was before the island was destroyed. Edited May 26, 2012 by Xenidal

[WakelessDream 2,280]

I'm not an expert on CoM but I can tell you it took so long to piece his memory back together because some of them made their way into Roxas and Xion, Days goes into detail on that I believe.

[animemylove 439]

Castle Oblivion doesn't tamper with your memories; that was Namine all along. Marluxia lied to Sora.

 

.. it happened to goofy and donald too when they entered

[Xenidal 36]

.. it happened to goofy and donald too when they entered

 

Yeah... I always thought that Castle Oblivion had an effect on them as well. But looking back on it I suppose it's possible that Naminé also removed Donald's and Goofy's memories so that they wouldn't go messing everything up (for example, telling Sora that Naminé did not exist or reminding him about Kairi, etc.)

[animemylove 439]

Yeah... I always thought that Castle Oblivion had an effect on them as well. But looking back on it I suppose it's possible that Naminé also removed Donald's and Goofy's memories so that they wouldn't go messing everything up (for example, telling Sora that Naminé did not exist or reminding him about Kairi, etc.)

 

i thought namine could only tamper with sora memories since she is the nobody of kairi's heart escaping sora's body, or something like that lol

[Xenidal 36]

i thought namine could only tamper with sora memories since she is the nobody of kairi's heart escaping sora's body, or something like that lol

 

Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Then... I don't know. Guess it was the castle then. Unless someone has an offical source stating against the castle having that property.

[Keyblade Master Xine 196]

Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Then... I don't know. Guess it was the castle then. Unless someone has an offical source stating against the castle having that property.

 

But Namine messing with Sora's memories messed with everyone's memories who were connected to Sora. Maybe that's why Donald and Goofy were affected.

[khoathkeeper13 429]

i thought namine could only tamper with sora memories since she is the nobody of kairi's heart escaping sora's body, or something like that lol

 

She can tamper with Sora's and anyone connected to Sora 's memories. That's why when Sora forgot someone, they also forgot about Sora (Kairi, Selphie, Leon, Yuffie, Cid, Aerith, etc, etc, Riku's "the haze is clearing" and such) So she can also alter Donald and Goofy's memories by taking apart Sora's.

The castle simply shows places and people from their memories. That's how the castle protects Ven. No one but Aqua could ever remember that room so they can't enter it. That's what the line, "all that vist this land will be lost to oblivion" means. No one would be able to find that room; anyone who tries will be lost in their memories. So no memory loss caused by CO.

[VENROXAS 152]

The fact he went through castle oblivion and namine messed with his memories and he went to sleep, diz was monitoring him some and while he slept implanted his data in sora. But ven had no memories when zehanort found him and ven used his keyblade to take them back to their home and aqua made co so no one would be able to find him. But what if someone by chance has no memories to start out with and enters say someone like Diz when he met aqua in the realm of darkness he lost his memories before that to

[FireRubies1 1,325]

I think all the answers above are valid.... maybe he had to sleep because if he was awake during all the re-writing he might be a loose cannon.

[Kirie 3,489]

Have you even played attention?