KH2 Why was everyone against the Organization?

[Xenidal 36]

I might be missing something... but wasn't Xemnas (and the rest of the Organization)'s goal to release enough hearts (by killing the Heartless with the Keyblade) in order for all the hearts to form Kingdom Hearts... and then the Nobodies would be able to re-gain their own hearts and become whole again?

I don't understand... what is so bad about that?

 

The way I see it, DiZ was just a jerk who had some crazy belief that Nobodies were inferiour to humans / Nobodies weren't people or something... and that they did not deserve to exist. Maybe he's just using Nobodies as a scapegoat for Xemnas himself or something... since I know that he had a grudge against Xehanort for doing whatever it is he did. Something about hearts... I actually don't really remember he details much at all. And also Xehanort stole Ansem's name which I guess DiZ was mad at him for that or something... that I can understand. Not that I agree with it, but that part makes sense.

 

But then for some reason all these other people (starting with Riku, Namine, and Mickey) just started siding with DiZ for some reason. That is what I don't understand. DiZ was operating out of a grudge / anger / hatred so why did Riku, Mickey, Sora, etc. all end up just going along with all of it?

 

And what really would have been so bad if Kingdom Hearts was completed and the Organization all got hearts of their own? The "heros" are all fighting to the death to stop Xemnas and the rest of the Organization from completing Kingdom Hearts and becoming whole again but I don't understand anyone's motive at all...

[hatok 6,413]

Not this argument again. The Organization had a benign goal, sure. But they went around 'killing' (Turning people into heartless) and in general messing with worlds. They mess with Sora and Roxas to much a ridiculous degree, and hoenstly there's no reason to do that.

I mean, if Org XIII didn't suffer from such chronic villainy, they would have SUCCEEDED, but they feel the need to have a billion evil plans going at once for no otehr reason than to be evil. If they had let Roxas be, he would never have been dissatisfied with the Org, and Sora would have been a lot harder to wake up. And if they had left Sora alone, he wouldn't have destroyed them all.

Also, DiZ's grudge comes from the fact that the Org is formed of his six trusted companions, who betrayed him, released the heartless into ALL worlds, and sent him into the Realm of Darkness. Seems like a pretty good reason to hold a grudge.

Riku and Namine join DiZ out of guilt over what they did to Sora previously, and Mickey joins because of Riku.

[deathrebirthsenshi 279]

They were spreading heartless and holding captive the hearts of other people. Heartless spreading always means danger to the worlds, as well as the fake kingdom hearts. DiZ was definately a jerk acting out of a grudge, but he was correct in that they needed to be stopped. Riku sided with DiZ becasue of Castle Oblivion, he didn't really see any other choice. Same with Namine, she didn't really have anywhere else to turn to. Well, Riku was in it mostly to help Sora get his memories back and whatnot. And while they were a little unorthodox and mean about it, Roxas did need to go back to Sora for him to wake up. Sora never really sided with DiZ, and neither did Mickey really...I don't know what the heck he was doing all this time. He sided with him only at the end when he revealed himself and destroyed the fake kingdom hearts.

 

Completeing kingdom hearts--collecting a mass of other people's hearts--wouldn't really have completed teh nobodies. I think deep down they all knew that, but denied it. And besides, Xemnas was planning his "recreate the world 'cause I'm god" plan once kingdom hearts was complete.

 

And they weren't against them just because of DiZ, Yen Sid was against them too. Basically, to quote Riku, "That's easy. You mess up our worlds." Yes they are pitable, but they are villains nonetheless and needed to be stopped.

Edited May 25, 2012 by deathrebirthsenshi

[FireRubies1 1,325]

Because they were killing heartless and then everyone was all like "bitches that's Sora's job!"

/shot

[xxClouDxxmoon 901]

I dink sora just like "ey it no rainin" and org 13 just like "dont care me like a wear a coat" den sora like "aw hell na" den yeh.

[Uncle Dolan 963]

DAY WEER TEH BED GAIS!!!!ZZ!!

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Riku wanted to save his friend and Namine wanted to pay Sora back for forgiving her even though she messed with his memories.

 

As for DiZ, he was betrayed by the founding members of Org. XII so he was using Riku & Namine to awaken Sora so he could get revenge, In many ways he was just as bad as the Org. until he redeemed himself by sacrificing his life to help them.

 

But the main reasons Sora & Co. fought them were because.

 

1) Because they were hurting people and 2) (although the main cast wasn't aware of this at the time) Xemnas's true reason for obtaining Kingdom Hearts had nothing to do with getting his or anybody else's heart back. And that's all I'm going to say because anything more would be a spoiler.

Edited May 25, 2012 by Sora_Kuno

[Not-with-a-whimper 144]

Their goal in the most vague of senses was just fine and non-evil. They then proceeded to jack it the heck up by being evil mother firetruckers. The rest of the reasons have already been explained in the above posts.

[Kishira 2,854]

Pft, I sided with DiZ. He was just telling the truth. 8P They were the enemy and used the whole, 'I just want my heart' thing as an excuse to justify the mess they made in the worlds.

[chrissk08 15]

I might be missing something... but wasn't Xemnas (and the rest of the Organization)'s goal to release enough hearts (by killing the Heartless with the Keyblade) in order for all the hearts to form Kingdom Hearts... and then the Nobodies would be able to re-gain their own hearts and become whole again?

I don't understand... what is so bad about that?

 

The way I see it, DiZ was just a jerk who had some crazy belief that Nobodies were inferiour to humans / Nobodies weren't people or something... and that they did not deserve to exist. Maybe he's just using Nobodies as a scapegoat for Xemnas himself or something... since I know that he had a grudge against Xehanort for doing whatever it is he did. Something about hearts... I actually don't really remember he details much at all. And also Xehanort stole Ansem's name which I guess DiZ was mad at him for that or something... that I can understand. Not that I agree with it, but that part makes sense.

 

But then for some reason all these other people (starting with Riku, Namine, and Mickey) just started siding with DiZ for some reason. That is what I don't understand. DiZ was operating out of a grudge / anger / hatred so why did Riku, Mickey, Sora, etc. all end up just going along with all of it?

 

And what really would have been so bad if Kingdom Hearts was completed and the Organization all got hearts of their own? The "heros" are all fighting to the death to stop Xemnas and the rest of the Organization from completing Kingdom Hearts and becoming whole again but I don't understand anyone's motive at all...

 

The members of the Organization were once students of his that basically betrayed him. Ansem (Xheanort) being the main culprit. The explanation to why Riku and the others helped DiZ is explained at the end of COM. And they get their hearts back in KH3D. That as the motive.. To make KH. But the true motive is to recreate the X Blade and start another keyblade war.

[Xenidal 36]

The members of the Organization were once students of his that basically betrayed him. Ansem (Xheanort) being the main culprit.

Was this ever explained in detail? Because I remember that general idea being mentioned in-game but I don't remember exactly what it is that they did to "betray" him. I don't even remember if they even said what the students actually did.

Or is that in Birth by Sleep (which I haven't played yet)?

[NightfallXIII 68]

I never posted spoilers here!. Where did you get that idea from?

Edited May 25, 2012 by NightfallXIII

[DG20 67]

Was this ever explained in detail? Because I remember that general idea being mentioned in-game but I don't remember exactly what it is that they did to "betray" him. I don't even remember if they even said what the students actually did.

Or is that in Birth by Sleep (which I haven't played yet)?

 

So far we don't have a detailed story about the betrayal, BBS is more of a 'this is where they were 10 years ago', but we do know that Xehanort/Terranort joins them, regains his -the rest of this scene is a spoiler from that one cutscene in 3Ds- and kicks Ansem the Wise out.

 

Wasn't the real plan to turn the Orginization into ----

 

Dude. I'm pretty sure this is not a spoiler topic.

Edited May 25, 2012 by DG20

[NightfallXIII 68]

So far we don't have a detailed story about the betrayal, BBS is more of a 'this is where they were 10 years ago', but we do know that Xehanort/Terranort joins them, regains his -the rest of this scene is a spoiler from that one cutscene in 3Ds- and kicks Ansem the Wise out.

 

 

 

Dude. I'm pretty sure this is not a spoiler topic for 3Ds.

 

Crap! Wasn't thinking... Sorry...

 

I never posted spoilers here!. Where did you get that idea from?

 

So far we don't have a detailed story about the betrayal, BBS is more of a 'this is where they were 10 years ago', but we do know that Xehanort/Terranort joins them, regains his -the rest of this scene is a spoiler from that one cutscene in 3Ds- and kicks Ansem the Wise out.

 

 

 

Dude. I'm pretty sure this is not a spoiler topic.

 

That better?

 

So far we don't have a detailed story about the betrayal, BBS is more of a 'this is where they were 10 years ago', but we do know that Xehanort/Terranort joins them, regains his -the rest of this scene is a spoiler from that one cutscene in 3Ds- and kicks Ansem the Wise out.

 

 

 

Dude. I'm pretty sure this is not a spoiler topic.

 

Crap...wasn't thinking. Sorry. I blame Wikipedia.

[Chronomagister 152]

 

 

So far we don't have a detailed story about the betrayal, BBS is more of a 'this is where they were 10 years ago', but we do know that Xehanort/Terranort joins them, regains his -the rest of this scene is a spoiler from that one cutscene in 3Ds- and kicks Ansem the Wise out.

 

 

 

Dude. I'm pretty sure this is not a spoiler topic.

 

Actually, if you look at the secret ansem reports of KH2, we have a descriptive account of what happend between ansem and his 6 apprentices

[chrissk08 15]

Was this ever explained in detail? Because I remember that general idea being mentioned in-game but I don't remember exactly what it is that they did to "betray" him. I don't even remember if they even said what the students actually did.

Or is that in Birth by Sleep (which I haven't played yet)?

 

Well not really they kind of just left even after becoming nobodys and he had a wtf moment. He wanted revenge on all of them though.

[Dave 5,715]

Something to consider: if the Organization members were not attractive and charismatic, would there still be as much ambiguity about their actions and how just they were?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Something to consider: if the Organization members were not attractive and charismatic, would there still be as much ambiguity about their actions and how just they were?

 

Hot = not evil . Believe it ! XDDD

[CardCaptorDeadpool 386]

Was this ever explained in detail? Because I remember that general idea being mentioned in-game but I don't remember exactly what it is that they did to "betray" him. I don't even remember if they even said what the students actually did.

Or is that in Birth by Sleep (which I haven't played yet)?

 

Trust me all the deetz on the apprentices firetrucking Ansem over are in the Secret Ansem Reports, and that information is canonical

[G-SANtos 105]

Was this ever explained in detail? Because I remember that general idea being mentioned in-game but I don't remember exactly what it is that they did to "betray" him. I don't even remember if they even said what the students actually did.

Or is that in Birth by Sleep (which I haven't played yet)?

 

So far we don't have a detailed story about the betrayal, BBS is more of a 'this is where they were 10 years ago', but we do know that Xehanort/Terranort joins them, regains his -the rest of this scene is a spoiler from that one cutscene in 3Ds- and kicks Ansem the Wise out.

 

Well not really they kind of just left even after becoming nobodys and he had a wtf moment. He wanted revenge on all of them though.

 

The Secret Ansem Reports have details about it. He was angry because they banished him to the Realm of Darkness, destroyed Radiant Garden, etc.

 

 

So far we don't have a detailed story about the betrayal, BBS is more of a 'this is where they were 10 years ago', but we do know that Xehanort/Terranort joins them, regains his -the rest of this scene is a spoiler from that one cutscene in 3Ds- and kicks Ansem the Wise out.

 

If you mean his Keyblade, this is not really a spoiler. This information was officially released before the game's release via trailer, and thus not considered a spoiler by the forum's policy.

If you mean anything else that was not officially said before the game's release... Then that would be a spoiler.

Edited May 26, 2012 by G-SANtos

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

I might be missing something... but wasn't Xemnas (and the rest of the Organization)'s goal to release enough hearts (by killing the Heartless with the Keyblade) in order for all the hearts to form Kingdom Hearts... and then the Nobodies would be able to re-gain their own hearts and become whole again?

I don't understand... what is so bad about that?

 

The way I see it, DiZ was just a jerk who had some crazy belief that Nobodies were inferiour to humans / Nobodies weren't people or something... and that they did not deserve to exist. Maybe he's just using Nobodies as a scapegoat for Xemnas himself or something... since I know that he had a grudge against Xehanort for doing whatever it is he did. Something about hearts... I actually don't really remember he details much at all. And also Xehanort stole Ansem's name which I guess DiZ was mad at him for that or something... that I can understand. Not that I agree with it, but that part makes sense.

 

But then for some reason all these other people (starting with Riku, Namine, and Mickey) just started siding with DiZ for some reason. That is what I don't understand. DiZ was operating out of a grudge / anger / hatred so why did Riku, Mickey, Sora, etc. all end up just going along with all of it?

 

And what really would have been so bad if Kingdom Hearts was completed and the Organization all got hearts of their own? The "heros" are all fighting to the death to stop Xemnas and the rest of the Organization from completing Kingdom Hearts and becoming whole again but I don't understand anyone's motive at all...

 

Because even though what they wanted was good (to be complete again) the killing of untold thousands (consider, every heartless killed in every game had just about filled Kingdom Hearts) was not OK. That being said DiZ was a man who was so focused on revenge that he didn't even believe Noboides have a right to EXISTENCE, as if they were a blight to nature. When he (attempts) to digitize Kingdom Hearts that's just because he's a horrible person, since at that point the Noboides could have gotten thier hearts and then their crimes could be dealt with. That being said, when Sora goes around killing them he is displaying a frightening mental problem if he can just watch what apear to be ordinary humans boiling away, dissolving, and otherwise in great pain all while only thinking about who else he can do this to.

So in short, the Organization was bad, Sora and DiZ were worse.

[obnoxious fangirl 6]

alright, this is prob going to be a spoiler so just warning you know before you start reading if you havent played ddd. well, first everyone "believed" that the organization's goal was to gain hearts but they had to release hearts to make kingdom hearts and there for putting people in danger by taking their hearts. and everyone believed them to be evil. the organization's real objective was one only a few, like xemnas, xigbar, and ansem (the heartless), knew about, which is to serve as vessels for master xehanort. and so the final battle of 13 darknesses and 7 lights could begin to create a rare kingdom hearts, for master xehanort's ambitions. and the people of the organization were actually lied to, they do have hearts but master xehanort needs hearts of darkness to use as vessels.