Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Let me begin by saying that I've played through the entire KH series, save for Dream Drop Distance, though I'm familiar with the game's plot. However, I've been wondering about a lot of unexplained and unspecified events that occur throughout the games. If anyone can help clear them up for me, it would be much appreciated. Here they are: 1. In BBS, Master Xehanort attempts to create the X-Blade by fusing Ventus and Vanitas. However, in a flash-back, before Vanitas was ever extracted from Ventus' heart, it seemed as though Xehanort was still intent on forging the X-Blade during his training with Ventus, even before he had decided to remove the darkness from Ventus. So how was he originally planning on creating the X-Blade with just Ventus? I thought a heart of pure light and a heart of pure darkness were required to clash in order to summon the weapon. 2. In DDD, it is mentioned that the fragments of the original X-Blade reside within the hearts of the princesses. So, in KH1, why didn't Ansem SoD just remove those X-Blade fragments from the hearts of the princesses he had gathered? He was apparently aware of MX's plan at the time, wasn't he? 3. How can Young Xehanort travel through time without casting off his flesh? 4. In KH1, Maleficent and her council are bent on locating the keyholes of the worlds they plagued with heartless. What was their reason for seeking out the keyholes? It's not as if they wanted to seal them. 5. Xemnas refers to Aqua's armor as an "old friend" in KH2FM. Does this mean he has Terra's memories? If so, why would he proceed with his evil plans, both for himself (creating an artificial Kingdom Hearts) and Master Xehanort (using the organization as vessels.) 6. What is Ventus' ACTUAL connection to Roxas? Some say he IS Ventus, others say he's just Sora's nobody with Ventus' appearance, ect. 7. What ever happened to Apprentice Xehanort? He's only seen briefly in the beginning of DDD, due to the defeat of Xemnas and Ansem. Is he aware or even apart of Master Xehanort's grand plan? 8. From what I have noticed, in BBS when Riku and Kairi made contact with a Keyblade, that pretty much enabled them to use/wield/summon the Keyblade. I point this out mostly due to Leon psychically swiping the Keyblade from Sora in KH1 and then Sora handing the Keyblade to Jack Sparrow in KH2. Does this mean that they, too, can wield the Keyblade? 9. I haven't been able to find a translated version of the DDD scene where Maleficent and Pete are inside Disney Castle, holding Minnie hostage. What is they want? Control of the castle? Because I didn't think it was even possible for Maleficent to step foot in the castle due to the Cornerstone of Light. 10. It is revealed that nobodies can grow hearts. If Roxas had apparently grown his own heart, does that mean Sora now has two hearts inside him . . . or did their hearts conjoin together when they reunited in KH2? 11. Why is Xion seen as multiple people? To Xigbar, she looks like Ventus. To Sora, she looks like Namine. Phew, that was a lot! Looking forward to some answers! Edited April 26, 2012 by Lordrogersmith6485 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slicer9875 27 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) 1) He was planning on have a heart of pure darkness fight a heart of pure light. Whenever this happens, this is what forms an x-blade. He was just trying to create another X-blade, not involving the original using the same concept.s. 2) I'm not sure what exactly is ANsem SoD. Yes I know he's a heartless but since when can heartless wield keyblades? It's not known how much memory he has or rather had before he was destroyed. Regardless, the fact that he looked so human is surprising and will probably be explained in the future. 3) Ask someone who can understand Japanese. 4) They wanted to consume the heart of the world. If the heartless get into the heart of the world, they would be able to consume it, sending the world into darkness or sleep. 5. I think that's just irony, villains do that a lot don't they. I could be wrong but this is one possibility. 6) A possibility is that Ventus's heart went into Roxas and that is what influenced the appearance of him. It's all speculation thanks to the idea that nobodies can grow hearts. 7) No idea. THere's no way to tell how much he remembers. 8. No idea, think it was just done as a joke for Jack. Anyone can hold a keyblade but it will go back to its master once the person holding it tries to do something with it. Or rather it will go to a keyblade user with a strong heart. 10) That's a possibility but there's no way to say for sure. Roxas doesn't believe that he has a heart of his own right now and he is just a part of SOra's, that's why he could feel emotions. Edited April 26, 2012 by Slicer9875 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skai 3,961 Posted April 26, 2012 Let me begin by saying that I've played through the entire KH series, save for Dream Drop Distance, though I'm familiar with the game's plot. However, I've been wondering about a lot of unexplained and unspecified events that occur throughout the games. If anyone can help clear them up for me, it would be much appreciated. Here they are: 1. In BBS, Master Xehanort attempts to create the X-Blade by fusing Ventus and Vanitas. However, in a flash-back, before Vanitas was ever extracted from Ventus' heart, it seemed as though Xehanort was still intent on forging the X-Blade during his training with Ventus, even before he had decided to remove the darkness from Ventus. So how was he originally planning on creating the X-Blade with just Ventus? I thought a heart of pure light and a heart of pure darkness were required to clash in order to summon the weapon. 2. In DDD, it is mentioned that the fragments of the original X-Blade reside within the hearts of the princesses. So, in KH1, why didn't Ansem SoD just remove those X-Blade fragments from the hearts of the princesses he had gathered? He was apparently aware of MX's plan at the time, wasn't he? 3. How can Young Xehanort travel through time without casting off his flesh? 4. In KH1, Maleficent and her council are bent on locating the keyholes of the worlds they plagued with heartless. What was their reason for seeking out the keyholes? It's not as if they wanted to seal them. 5. Xemnas refers to Aqua's armor as an "old friend" in KH2FM. Does this mean he has Terra's memories? If so, why would he proceed with his evil plans, both for himself (creating an artificial Kingdom Hearts) and Master Xehanort (using the organization as vessels.) 6. What is Ventus' ACTUAL connection to Roxas? Some say he IS Ventus, others say he's just Sora's nobody with Ventus' appearance, ect. 7. What ever happened to Apprentice Xehanort? He's only seen briefly in the beginning of DDD, due to the defeat of Xemnas and Ansem. Is he aware or even apart of Master Xehanort's grand plan? 8. From what I have noticed, in BBS when Riku and Kairi made contact with a Keyblade, that pretty much enabled them to use/wield/summon the Keyblade. I point this out mostly due to Leon psychically swiping the Keyblade from Sora in KH1 and then Sora handing the Keyblade to Jack Sparrow in KH2. Does this mean that they, too, can wield the Keyblade? 9. I haven't been able to find a translated version of the DDD scene where Maleficent and Pete are inside Disney Castle, holding Minnie hostage. What is they want? Control of the castle? Because I didn't think it was even possible for Maleficent to step foot in the castle due to the Cornerstone of Light. 10. It is revealed that nobodies can grow hearts. If Roxas had apparently grown his own heart, does that mean Sora now has two hearts inside him . . . or did their hearts conjoin together when they reunited in KH2? Phew, that was a lot! Looking forward to some answers! 1. Xehanort thought, maybe Ventus could access both powers and ultimately that failed. Other than that, I don't know how Ventus would fight himself. 2. KH1 was the first game of the series. Nomura didn't think this far ahead at that time. It's a plot hole that will probably be explained, just left to be a hole forever, or changed in the supposedly, HD Collection. 3. I'm confused on this also. I have a few theories. One: He left his body somewhere, and as proven by Ven, bodies don't age without a heart. Two: He is using a body vessel himself and was just a heart. Three: If he cast away his flesh in the Realm of Light, maybe he went inside the Realm of Sleep just as a heart and then time traveled from there. But since it is the Realm of Sleep, he can change his form. 4. They wanted to prevent the sealing of the keyhole, I think. 5. I think he calls it an old friend because Aqua saved him in the end of BBS and his plans were able to be carried out. The creation of the artificial Kingdom Hearts, I think was just a fake plan to test the possible Vessels for his hearts. 6. I think Ventus' heart affected Roxas' look some way and Roxas is both Ven's and Sora's nobody, because he shares both of their traits. Roxas had feelings because he had Ven's heart, in my opinion. That's why he was really sad in 358/2 Days. 7. It is unknown at this time. Xehanort hinted at Apprentice Xehanort/Terranort being another vessel for the 13 Seekers of Darkness, but we won't know until KH3 or whichever game succeeds this one comes out. 8. Everyone says this, but according to Terra, "So long as you have the makings, then it's master you shall one day be." If it hasn't awakened yet, it probably won't. 9. I think it's the Castle. Maleficent has a Castle complex. She probably found a new power. 10. Roxas probably didn't know about this. They also said they have to reject their own hearts before growing or receiving a new one. But like I said earlier, I think Ven's heart was inside him. So Roxas didn't get the chance to grow a heart. He probably will grow a heart, if he hadn't already inside Sora. One thing, WHYUNOMENTIONXIONANDNAMINE. Lol they need love too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 1. Xehanort thought, maybe Ventus could access both powers and ultimately that failed. Other than that, I don't know how Ventus would fight himself. 2. KH1 was the first game of the series. Nomura didn't think this far ahead at that time. It's a plot hole that will probably be explained, just left to be a hole forever, or changed in the supposedly, HD Collection. 3. I'm confused on this also. I have a few theories. One: He left his body somewhere, and as proven by Ven, bodies don't age without a heart. Two: He is using a body vessel himself and was just a heart. Three: If he cast away his flesh in the Realm of Light, maybe he went inside the Realm of Sleep just as a heart and then time traveled from there. But since it is the Realm of Sleep, he can change his form. 4. They wanted to prevent the sealing of the keyhole, I think. 5. I think he calls it an old friend because Aqua saved him in the end of BBS and his plans were able to be carried out. The creation of the artificial Kingdom Hearts, I think was just a fake plan to test the possible Vessels for his hearts. 6. I think Ventus' heart affected Roxas' look some way and Roxas is both Ven's and Sora's nobody, because he shares both of their traits. Roxas had feelings because he had Ven's heart, in my opinion. That's why he was really sad in 358/2 Days. 7. It is unknown at this time. Xehanort hinted at Apprentice Xehanort/Terranort being another vessel for the 13 Seekers of Darkness, but we won't know until KH3 or whichever game succeeds this one comes out. 8. Everyone says this, but according to Terra, "So long as you have the makings, then it's master you shall one day be." If it hasn't awakened yet, it probably won't. 9. I think it's the Castle. Maleficent has a Castle complex. She probably found a new power. 10. Roxas probably didn't know about this. They also said they have to reject their own hearts before growing or receiving a new one. But like I said earlier, I think Ven's heart was inside him. So Roxas didn't get the chance to grow a heart. He probably will grow a heart, if he hadn't already inside Sora. One thing, WHYUNOMENTIONXIONANDNAMINE. Lol they need love too! Actually, I did have a question I forgot to bring up about Xion. I'll got back and include it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skai 3,961 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Actually, I did have a question I forgot to bring up about Xion. I'll got back and include it. 11. Xion just reminded Xigbar of the past Keyblade Wielders that gave him the same look. So far those are Sora, Roxas, Xion, and Ven. Namine is someone Sora needs to save and Xion is connected to her as well as him. He doesn't know who she is so she pulled up her hood. This showed that he didn't really know who she was and therefore couldn't see her face. This was stated in Days. Edited April 26, 2012 by Sky Heart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 11. Xion just reminded Xigbar of the past Keyblade Wielders that gave him the same look. So far those are Sora, Roxas, Xion, and Ven. Namine is someone Sora needs to save and Xion is connected to her as well as him. He doesn't know who she is so she pulled up her hood. This showed that he didn't really know who she was and therefore couldn't see her face. This was stated in Days. It seemed like he must have known her through Roxas when he referred to her as "that girl", which still wouldn't explain why he'd initially see her as Namine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skai 3,961 Posted April 26, 2012 It seemed like he must have known her through Roxas when he referred to her as "that girl", which still wouldn't explain why he'd initially see her as Namine. Wasn't he in a dream within a dream? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 Wasn't he in a dream within a dream? Hmmm . . . is that what it was? If so, I suppose anything could happen in that sort of scenario . . . :blink: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
animemylove 439 Posted April 26, 2012 8. From what I have noticed, in BBS when Riku and Kairi made contact with a Keyblade, that pretty much enabled them to use/wield/summon the Keyblade. I point this out mostly due to Leon psychically swiping the Keyblade from Sora in KH1 and then Sora handing the Keyblade to Jack Sparrow in KH2. Does this mean that they, too, can wield the Keyblade? Since in Leon and Jack's case the keyblade returned to Sora instantly, it didn't see either of them as fit wielders. so no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 Since in Leon and Jack's case the keyblade returned to Sora instantly, it didn't see either of them as fit wielders. so no. Oh, so there's more than that one qualification? Got it! Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skai 3,961 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Oh, so there's more than that one qualification? Got it! Thanks! It's funny that after all this time, Goofy and Donald have yet to touch it at least once. I think they would be worth for sure. Edited April 26, 2012 by Sky Heart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 It's funny that after all this time, Goofy and Donald have yet to touch it at least once. I think they would be worth for sure. It probably never even occurred to them. I love them both . . . but, honestly, they're very single-minded! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skai 3,961 Posted April 26, 2012 It probably never even occurred to them. I love them both . . . but, honestly, they're very single-minded! And Sora isn't? lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 And Sora isn't? lol Good point. I guess I should add that to the list as well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alph Art 32 Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) To answer Number one he originally intended ventus to be his vessel. Don't believe me, just Go check Kh bbs Xehanort Report, number nine to be specific. According to that he later dubbed ventus to frail to serve as a vessel so he decided to split his heart in two Edited April 26, 2012 by Keyblade Knight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 He originally intended ventus to be his vessel. Don't believe me, just Go check Kh bbs Xehanort Report, number nine to be specific. According to that he later dubbed ventus to frail to serve as a vessel so he decided to split his heart in two So it was basically just a last minute change of plans? I assumed he had this all carefully sorted out ahead of time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skai 3,961 Posted April 26, 2012 So it was basically just a last minute change of plans? I assumed he had this all carefully sorted out ahead of time. I thought he had many roads lol 1 Zoro317 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBucket2 114 Posted April 26, 2012 Let me begin by saying that I've played through the entire KH series, save for Dream Drop Distance, though I'm familiar with the game's plot. However, I've been wondering about a lot of unexplained and unspecified events that occur throughout the games. If anyone can help clear them up for me, it would be much appreciated. Here they are: 1. In BBS, Master Xehanort attempts to create the X-Blade by fusing Ventus and Vanitas. However, in a flash-back, before Vanitas was ever extracted from Ventus' heart, it seemed as though Xehanort was still intent on forging the X-Blade during his training with Ventus, even before he had decided to remove the darkness from Ventus. So how was he originally planning on creating the X-Blade with just Ventus? I thought a heart of pure light and a heart of pure darkness were required to clash in order to summon the weapon. 2. In DDD, it is mentioned that the fragments of the original X-Blade reside within the hearts of the princesses. So, in KH1, why didn't Ansem SoD just remove those X-Blade fragments from the hearts of the princesses he had gathered? He was apparently aware of MX's plan at the time, wasn't he? 3. How can Young Xehanort travel through time without casting off his flesh? 4. In KH1, Maleficent and her council are bent on locating the keyholes of the worlds they plagued with heartless. What was their reason for seeking out the keyholes? It's not as if they wanted to seal them. 5. Xemnas refers to Aqua's armor as an "old friend" in KH2FM. Does this mean he has Terra's memories? If so, why would he proceed with his evil plans, both for himself (creating an artificial Kingdom Hearts) and Master Xehanort (using the organization as vessels.) 6. What is Ventus' ACTUAL connection to Roxas? Some say he IS Ventus, others say he's just Sora's nobody with Ventus' appearance, ect. 7. What ever happened to Apprentice Xehanort? He's only seen briefly in the beginning of DDD, due to the defeat of Xemnas and Ansem. Is he aware or even apart of Master Xehanort's grand plan? 8. From what I have noticed, in BBS when Riku and Kairi made contact with a Keyblade, that pretty much enabled them to use/wield/summon the Keyblade. I point this out mostly due to Leon psychically swiping the Keyblade from Sora in KH1 and then Sora handing the Keyblade to Jack Sparrow in KH2. Does this mean that they, too, can wield the Keyblade? 9. I haven't been able to find a translated version of the DDD scene where Maleficent and Pete are inside Disney Castle, holding Minnie hostage. What is they want? Control of the castle? Because I didn't think it was even possible for Maleficent to step foot in the castle due to the Cornerstone of Light. 10. It is revealed that nobodies can grow hearts. If Roxas had apparently grown his own heart, does that mean Sora now has two hearts inside him . . . or did their hearts conjoin together when they reunited in KH2? 11. Why is Xion seen as multiple people? To Xigbar, she looks like Ventus. To Sora, she looks like Namine. Phew, that was a lot! Looking forward to some answers! 1) He was trying to make Ventus have a heart of pure darkness. That's why we saw him forcing Ventus to fight Heartless, so that in his fear he'd use the darkness. After that, he probably figured one of Eraqus's pupils (or Eraqus's himself) would suit for the heart of pure light. 2) The fragments ARE their hearts. So technically he did. Also, it is said that to create the X- blade, the seven lights and thirteen darknesses must CLASH. can't really have that if their "dead" can you? Plus we saw that even though Ansem SoD was overall going for Xehanort's plans, the fact is he was a Heartless, and Heartless act on instinct and emotion, which probably got in the way. 3) it was said that when Ansem SoD went back in time to tell YX of the plans, he simply "granted" him the power. Not sure how that worked, but that's the explanation. 4) Maleficemt wanted the princesses, not the keyholes. The only one she was interested in was the Final Keyhole, which needed the princesses to unlock. She was searching for them, it was Sora's goal to lock the keyholes to guard the world's hearts from further darkness and threats. 5) Xemnas, like Apprentice Xehanort, was in a constant battle with his own thoughts. Was he Terra? Or Xehanort? Or himself? Basically every once in awhile, especially when talking to Aqua's armor, Terra's memories and personality would surface. However, Xehanort's heart and will were too strong by that point, and forced him down again. 6) Roxas was Sora's body cast away, but had Ventus's heart within him. That's why he has his appearance and why he acts as if he has a heart. Because he did. 7) the scene at the beginning of DDD isn't them waking up. It's from the year after BbS, when Apprentice Xehanort and the others cast of their bodies (aka Xehanort forced them to). http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-cool.png this has been answered countless times before. No, they cannot. You not only need to have touched a Keyblade, but have the will of heart. Neither Jack or Leon have that. 9) I haven't seen this translated either, but I know there was some mention of the data worlds. 10) as stated in question six, Roxas didn't grow his own, he had Ven's (I think). By the end of KHII, Sora now has within him: his own heart, Ventus's heart, Roxas's memories and the deep memories of Xion. 11) it was that she was an incomplete clone. She didn't have a true appearance of her own, seeing as she was built from Sora's memories. Her appearance was based on who looked at her. What they wanted to see of her, they saw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replika13 455 Posted April 26, 2012 You cant remove fragments from Princess just like that. You need seven lights and 13 darkness to fight in order to create x-blade while Princess of Hearts must be killed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
animemylove 439 Posted April 26, 2012 It's funny that after all this time, Goofy and Donald have yet to touch it at least once. I think they would be worth for sure. haha my mind just flew right into the gutter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 26, 2012 1) He was trying to make Ventus have a heart of pure darkness. That's why we saw him forcing Ventus to fight Heartless, so that in his fear he'd use the darkness. After that, he probably figured one of Eraqus's pupils (or Eraqus's himself) would suit for the heart of pure light. 2) The fragments ARE their hearts. So technically he did. Also, it is said that to create the X- blade, the seven lights and thirteen darknesses must CLASH. can't really have that if their "dead" can you? Plus we saw that even though Ansem SoD was overall going for Xehanort's plans, the fact is he was a Heartless, and Heartless act on instinct and emotion, which probably got in the way. 3) it was said that when Ansem SoD went back in time to tell YX of the plans, he simply "granted" him the power. Not sure how that worked, but that's the explanation. 4) Maleficemt wanted the princesses, not the keyholes. The only one she was interested in was the Final Keyhole, which needed the princesses to unlock. She was searching for them, it was Sora's goal to lock the keyholes to guard the world's hearts from further darkness and threats. 5) Xemnas, like Apprentice Xehanort, was in a constant battle with his own thoughts. Was he Terra? Or Xehanort? Or himself? Basically every once in awhile, especially when talking to Aqua's armor, Terra's memories and personality would surface. However, Xehanort's heart and will were too strong by that point, and forced him down again. 6) Roxas was Sora's body cast away, but had Ventus's heart within him. That's why he has his appearance and why he acts as if he has a heart. Because he did. 7) the scene at the beginning of DDD isn't them waking up. It's from the year after BbS, when Apprentice Xehanort and the others cast of their bodies (aka Xehanort forced them to). http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-cool.png this has been answered countless times before. No, they cannot. You not only need to have touched a Keyblade, but have the will of heart. Neither Jack or Leon have that. 9) I haven't seen this translated either, but I know there was some mention of the data worlds. 10) as stated in question six, Roxas didn't grow his own, he had Ven's (I think). By the end of KHII, Sora now has within him: his own heart, Ventus's heart, Roxas's memories and the deep memories of Xion. 11) it was that she was an incomplete clone. She didn't have a true appearance of her own, seeing as she was built from Sora's memories. Her appearance was based on who looked at her. What they wanted to see of her, they saw. 2. What do you mean by "technically"? There was no keyblade forged aside from the one Riku/Ansem was using. Also, Master Xehanort DOES want the princesses dead, last I checked. 4. And yet they were searching for the keyholes. I remember Jafar and Maleficent's conversation in Agrabah. 6. So Roxas having Ventus' heart has no relation whatsoever to the fact that a nobody can grow a heart? 7. Please specify. Now I'm REALLY confused! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splitsignal 1 Posted April 26, 2012 For question 1, why doesn't Master Xehanort himself count as the heart of pure darkness? Couldn't he just fight Eraqus or Ventus or whomever himself, instead of doing the whole Vanitas thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skai 3,961 Posted April 26, 2012 For question 1, why doesn't Master Xehanort himself count as the heart of pure darkness? Couldn't he just fight Eraqus or Ventus or whomever himself, instead of doing the whole Vanitas thing? Eraqus had darkness within him. The light he was using was darkness fueling his hatred for it. It's kinda ironic. Being afraid of the power of darkness when you yourself has it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoro317 111 Posted April 27, 2012 One last thing I forgot to mention. According to Sora, Kingdom Hearts is light, which was what ultimately extinguished Ansem SoD after he opened the door to darkness. So, logically, wouldn't MX and his new organization, being the thirteen darknesses, suffer that same fate if they were to attain Kingdom Hearts? The light would simply extinguish them too, correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Messiah 11 Posted April 27, 2012 One last thing I forgot to mention. According to Sora, Kingdom Hearts is light, which was what ultimately extinguished Ansem SoD after he opened the door to darkness. So, logically, wouldn't MX and his new organization, being the thirteen darknesses, suffer that same fate if they were to attain Kingdom Hearts? The light would simply extinguish them too, correct? Not in the same vein as ASOD. There was a spec of light that ASOD hadn't forseen could even exist in Kingdom Hearts. All the Xehanorts have this knowledge now that light does exist in Kingdom Hearts and they also know of the power it holds. I don't know how they intend to utilize it's power, but I don't think they would fight for something without knowing at least what it may hold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites