KH3D SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME! spoilers

[atheist123 583]

Ventus might be in their possession; Castle Oblivion is still owned by the Organisation (or we can assume it is, since we don't know what happened to it (unless it was mentioned in Days, which I haven't played/know very well)).

 

The only facts we have is that; AX was MX in Terra's body ---> He turned into heartless and nobody ---> Xemnas and ASoD were defeated ---> Xemnas/AX is Terra's body ---> AX is thought to have been revived and to be completely possessed by MX ---> Terra has no body and is therefore the least likely to be a light. His "light" is slowly being engulfed by MX's darkness but Eraqus is protecting him. Since YMX can time travel to present MX must physically exist and the vessel in which he has most of his heart in is in AX. From this, Terra seems very unlikely until MX is defeated unless he "kicks" MX out of his body.

 

Sora has Roxas' and Ventus' heart in him---> This allowed him to use keyblade ---> If Ventus' heart returns to its body then Sora is weakened considerably ---> Sora is referenced as "the key that connects them all", not a light. He even admits that he may not be a true keyblade weilder.

 

Master Xehanort1690, we still have no evidence to suggest that Lea isn't a light. We don't know who will be the 7 lights. Accept this, please for the love of god! Just based on current information (such as Mickey not guessing Xehanort is the same as Master Xehanort "duh", or realising that ASoD is an incarnation of Xehanort until halfway through KH, or him never mentioning ATV to Sora and co) Mickey is useless and the most unreliable source. MX saying that the lights will be chosen naturally is the evidence that points most towards Lea actually being a Light. Until KH3 there is no canon regarding who is a light.

[Skai 3,961]

Your basis of argument is Nomura didn't say it so it's not true. Seriously? So I guess since Nomura didn't say a lot of things in KH means they aren't true right? Like Riku passed the MoM and Sora failed. Yen Sid said it, but Nomura didn't so according to your logic it's not true. Lol that's funny. Nomura doesn't have to say it himself for it to be true. I actually have evidence supporting my argument unlike you who's only basis is Nomura didn't say it. Lol I can't take you seriously anymore.

 

 

 

There's so much wrong with this post. Nomura has already stated that Sora can wield a keyblade due to the strength of his heart and connection to his friends. Ven is the reason he can duel wield, not the reason he can wield a keyblade.

 

Riku also said he was "Ansem" in Kingdom Hearts 2, does that make it true? Your argument can easily be sliced with a butter knife. The example you used for Riku passing the MoM, is flawed because it actually happened in the story. Did the natural choosing of the Seven Guardians of Light happen in the story? I don't think so. Was Terra taken over by Xehanort and made into a vessel? Yes. Was his body shown to prove that he was on either of the sides? No, therefore we won't know for sure. Basically the Seven Guardians of Light aren't confirmed, that's all that's to it. Terra COULD be a Guardian of Light and he COULD BE NOT, the same goes for any other of the five people seem to think are. What if Aqua isn't saved until the end of KH3? What if Ven's heart isn't released until the end? What if Mickey, Sora or Riku happen to be hurt before "the fight" happens? The thing is there's a whole bunch of what if's, so nothing is for sure until it actually happens. We'll see, we'll just see.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Sky Heart

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

Ventus might be in their possession; Castle Oblivion is still owned by the Organisation (or we can assume it is, since we don't know what happened to it (unless it was mentioned in Days, which I haven't played/know very well)).

 

The only facts we have is that; AX was MX in Terra's body ---> He turned into heartless and nobody ---> Xemnas and ASoD were defeated ---> Xemnas/AX is Terra's body ---> AX is thought to have been revived and to be completely possessed by MX ---> Terra has no body and is therefore the least likely to be a light. His "light" is slowly being engulfed by MX's darkness but Eraqus is protecting him. Since YMX can time travel to present MX must physically exist and the vessel in which he has most of his heart in is in AX. From this, Terra seems very unlikely until MX is defeated unless he "kicks" MX out of his body.

 

Sora has Roxas' and Ventus' heart in him---> This allowed him to use keyblade ---> If Ventus' heart returns to its body then Sora is weakened considerably ---> Sora is referenced as "the key that connects them all", not a light. He even admits that he may not be a true keyblade weilder.

 

Master Xehanort1690, we still have no evidence to suggest that Lea isn't a light. We don't know who will be the 7 lights. Accept this, please for the love of god! Just based on current information (such as Mickey not guessing Xehanort is the same as Master Xehanort "duh", or realising that ASoD is an incarnation of Xehanort until halfway through KH, or him never mentioning ATV to Sora and co) Mickey is useless and the most unreliable source. MX saying that the lights will be chosen naturally is the evidence that points most towards Lea actually being a Light. Until KH3 there is no canon regarding who is a light.

 

*Sigh* I NEVER said he couldn't be a light. I simply said from what we know right now he isn't. The 6 lights that have been said are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, and Ven. That leaves one spot open and it could be either Lea or Kairi considering they both can wield keyblades. I said this in my first post in this thread. For the love of god learn to read.

 

Riku also said he was "Ansem" in Kingdom Hearts 2, does that make it true? Your argument can easily be sliced with a butter knife. The example you used for Riku passing the MoM, is flawed because it actually happened in the story. Did the natural choosing of the Seven Guardians of Light happen in the story? I don't think so. Was Terra taken over by Xehanort and made into a vessel? Yes. Was his body shown to prove that he was on either of the sides? No, therefore we won't know for sure. Basically the Seven Guardians of Light aren't confirmed, that's all that's to it. Terra COULD be a Guardian of Light and he COULD BE NOT, the same goes for any other of the five people seem to think are. What if Aqua isn't saved until the end of KH3? What if Ven's heart isn't released until the end? What if Mickey, Sora or Riku happen to be hurt before "the fight" happens? The thing is there's a whole bunch of what if's, so nothing is for sure until it actually happens. We'll see, we'll just see.

 

Ansem was controlling Riku and it was him speaking through Riku's body hence why he said he was Ansem. Both Mickey and Xehanort said Terra was one of the 7 lights. Nomura DOESN'T have to say it himself for it to be true. By that logic a ton of things in KH aren't true because Nomura hasn't said it himself. That's completely flawed logic. Nomura created the game, characters, and story, so technically it's him speaking through the characters since the plot came from his head.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Master Xehanort1690

[atheist123 583]

*Sigh* I NEVER said he couldn't be a light. I simply said from what we know right now he isn't. The 6 lights that have been said are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, and Ven. That leaves one spot open and it could be either Lea or Kairi considering they both can wield keyblades. I said this in my first post in this thread. For the love of god learn to read.

 

THEY NEVER SAY THAT THESE SIX ARE THE LIGHTS! You learn to read lol Mickey is unreliable as he has consistently been stupid for the entire series. Post something else except for vague references to an MX and Mickey quote. Then we can take your accusations seriously.

 

Things change. At the beginning of series it was said that the Keyblade chose Sora over Riku whereas we later find out its because Sora had Ventus' heart in him. And still, Lea would be placed over Kairi anyway just because he is actually a capable fighter.

Edited April 26, 2012 by atheist123

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

THEY NEVER SAY THAT THESE SIX ARE THE LIGHTS! You learn to read lol Mickey is unreliable as he has consistently been stupid for the entire series. Post something else except for vague references to an MX and Mickey quote. Then we can take your accusations seriously.

 

Things change. At the beginning of series it was said that the Keyblade chose Sora over Riku whereas we later find out its because Sora had Ventus' heart in him. And still, Lea would be placed over Kairi anyway just because he is actually a capable fighter.

 

*Sigh* you seriously don't get it. MX also states Terra is one of the 7 lights when he says 2 of the lights are on my side(Terra and Sora at the time). That's 2 people who confirm that Terra is one of the 7 lights. Technically Nomura is speaking through the characters since the plot is coming from his head. What is your basis for them not being the 7 lights? Mickey is unreliable. Flawed logic at its finest right there. So what if Yen Sid says they're the 7 lights to we won't believe him? If everyone in the freaking game says they're the 7 lights we won't believe them? Lol I really can't take you seriously either.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Master Xehanort1690

[atheist123 583]

*Sigh* you seriously don't get it. MX also states Terra is one of the 7 lights when he says 2 of the lights are on my side(Terra and Sora at the time). That's 2 people who confirm that Terra is one of the 7 lights. Technically Nomura is speaking through the characters since the plot is coming from his head. What is your basis for them not being the 7 lights? Mickey is unreliable. Flawed logic at its finest right there. I don't even know why I'm still arguing with you.

 

Mark and John said that Jesus' life was true therefore it must be. Therefore, the Bible is 100% true. (Not to turn into religious debate but your logic is REEALLLLLLYYYY flawed and only metahphors may be able to help you realise this.) Edited April 26, 2012 by atheist123

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

Mark and John said that Jesus' life was true therefore it must be. Therefore, the Bible is 100% true. (Not to turn into religious debate but you logic is REEALLLLLLYYYY flawed and only metahphors may be able to help you realise this.)

 

/facepalm

 

This has to be one of the worse analogies I've ever seen. My basis of argument is both Mickey and MX confirmed the 7 lights. You're basis of argument is Nomura didn't say it himself so it isn't true.

 

/facepalm again

 

What evidence do you have that they aren't the 7 lights? That's right zero. What evidence do I have? Both Mickey and MX said they were.

 

I'm done.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Master Xehanort1690

[atheist123 583]

/facepalm

 

This has to be one of the worse analogies I've ever seen. My basis of argument is both Mickey and MX confirmed the 7 lights. You're basis of argument is Nomura didn't say it himself so it isn't true.

 

/facepalm again

 

I'm done.

 

That isn't my argument. Mine is the 7 lights have never been confirmed either in game or otherwise and that using the fact that Terra does not have a body and Lea does (and the fact Lea's importance to the series has increased exponentially since CoM) makes it more likely Lea is a light than Terra being one (or at least actively fighting against the Norts in the realm of light).

 

And yes, I'm a noob who confused methaphors and analogies. We will never agree. You have your faith in your proof, I have my faith in logical arguments not just one-off references.

Edited April 26, 2012 by atheist123

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

That isn't my argument. Mine is the 7 lights have never been confirmed either in game or otherwise and that using the fact that Terra does not have a body and Lea does (and the fact Lea's importance to the series has increased exponentially since CoM).

 

And yes, I'm a noob who confused methaphors and analogies. We will never agree. You have your faith in your proof, I have my faith in logical arguments not just one-off references.

 

What proof do you have that Mickey, Sora, Riku, Terra, Aqua, and Ven aren't 6 of the 7 lights? Zero. What evidence do I have that they are? Both MX and Mickey confirmed them to be. I have proof while you have none. It should be clear which takes precedent over the other.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Master Xehanort1690

[atheist123 583]

What proof do you have that Mickey, Sora, Riku, Terra, Aqua, and Ven aren't 6 of the 7 lights? Zero. What evidence do I have that they are? Both MX and Mickey confirmed them to be. I have proof while you have none. It should be clear which takes precedent over the other.

 

Okay, you don't know what proof is so there's no point in this. You didn't understand my anology and still see Mickey and MX as all knowing, omniscient characters. I have used deduction to come to a PERSONAL opinion that Lea is more likely than Terra and Kairi to be a light due to his relationship with the Organisation, Roxas, and ATV.

 

I'm just saying that we have no f***ing idea what is going to happen and having two "proofs" from sources who don't know anything is essentially the same as my proofs based on the general trends in the series, foreshadowing, and the present situation of each of the keyblade weilders of Light.

Edited April 26, 2012 by atheist123

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

Okay, you don't know what proof is so there's no point in this. You didn't understand my anology and still see Mickey and MX as all knowing, omniscient characters. I have used deduction to come to a PERSONAL opinion that Lea is more likely than Terra and Kairi to be a light due to his relationship with the Organisation, Roxas, and ATV.

 

I'm just saying that we have no f***ing idea what is going to happen and having two "proofs" from sources who don't know anything is essentially the same as my proofs based on the general trends in the series, foreshadowing, and the present situation of each of the keyblade weilders of Light.

 

And again I have proof while you have none. Those two "proofs" come from Nomura's story that he created himself, so technically it's him speaking through the characters.

 

The only keyblade wielders(good side) that are actually alive within the story are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Lea, Kairi, and Yen Sid(retired though). Roxas and Eraqus are within Sora and Terra, which is why I didn't include them.The 7 lights are all keyblade wielders, which means Lea could still be a light with Terra being one as well and that would equate to 7. Mickey and MX said 6 of them were Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, and Ven with one still missing. How many keyblade wielders does that leave? Only 2 and those are Lea and Kairi.

 

That's pretty much more proof that points to the 6 lights that Mickey mentioned being correct.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Master Xehanort1690

[atheist123 583]

And again I have proof while you have none. Those two "proofs" come from Nomura's story that he created himself, so technically it's him speaking through the characters.

 

The only keyblade wielders(good side) that are actually alive within the story are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Lea, Kairi, and Yen Sid(retired though). Roxas and Eraqus are within Sora and Terra, which is why I didn't include them.The 7 lights are all keyblade wielders, which means Lea could still be a light with Terra being one as well and that would equate to 7. Mickey and MX said 6 of them were Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, and Ven with one still missing. How many keyblade wielders does that leave? Only 2 and those are Lea and Kairi.

 

That's pretty much more proof that points to the 6 lights that Mickey mentioned being correct.

 

"sigh" since you want evidence I suppose I better . . . . Secret Ending "The Light lost in darkness leads to the last Key." This confirms Aqua and Ventus. Yen Sid : "For us to evade a Keyblade War, we must ready seven lights" (No reference to them "being chosen naturally" part.) Mickey: Seven Guardians of Light- Keyblade Wielders. Me, Riku and Sora . . . then with the three still missing, that's 6 . . . The last one would be .. . " MX:"However both Sora and the last one are on our side. In other words, three lights are missing. But don't get ideas, the protectors of the light are chosen naturally. And then the seven chosen lights and the 13 darknesses will clash"

 

"The last one is on our side", what does this mean? Is this refering to Lea who MX thought was on his side? MX seems adamant that the seven lights will show themselves irregardless of who is a vessel; the darknesses are chosen artificially through MX putting part of his heart in them. MX wants the X-blade and this cannot occur until the 7 Lights clash against the 13 darknesses therefore the lights are not pre-chosen, rather their roles occur naturally and organically. Lea's reveal as a keyblader was organic; he attacked a darkness through the goodness of his heart.

 

Mickey thought that Light=Keyblade Wielder, Mickey was merely listing every keyblade wielder he knew. He couldn't think of a 7th one as he didn't know (or he thought of Kairi but MX said they had the last one, so possibly MX thought the last one was Lea/Isa).

 

The secret ending implies that The Light in Darkness (Aqua) leads to the last Key (Ventus). Terra is references by MX as "becoming my vessel". MX is obviously possessing Terra making it nearly impossible to be a Light physically fighting the Norts, until he kicks MX out of the body he is currently in at which point MX's plans fall apart essentially.

 

Now that I have re-watched the ending/secret ending your argument is even more weak. 1) Mickey was listing every keyblade wielder he knew

2) MX referred to 3 lights being under their control (Sora, Terra, and ???, possibly Lea but most likely someone we don't know about).|

3) MX says the lights are chosen naturally which means not artificially. Being artificially chosen would be what you suggest, that since Mickey listed keybladers that it is canon or how the darknesses were created.

4) MX believes that the lights will always end up facing the darknesses; him possessing Sora/Terra will not affect the inevitability of the Keyblade War or else he would possess Terra. MX wants the X-blade and this is only possible when the 13 darks fight the 7 lights.

 

The things you post as proofs are open to interpretation and are not solid proofs, making my past points valid. I should have posted evidence earlier but I thought you would admit that your proofs are not proofs just interpretations of isolated quotes with no context.

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

"sigh" since you want evidence I suppose I better . . . . Secret Ending "The Light lost in darkness leads to the last Key." This confirms Aqua and Ventus. Yen Sid : "For us to evade a Keyblade War, we must ready seven lights" (No reference to them "being chosen naturally" part.) Mickey: Seven Guardians of Light- Keyblade Wielders. Me, Riku and Sora . . . then with the three still missing, that's 6 . . . The last one would be .. . " MX:"However both Sora and the last one are on our side. In other words, three lights are missing. But don't get ideas, the protectors of the light are chosen naturally. And then the seven chosen lights and the 13 darknesses will clash"

 

"The last one is on our side", what does this mean? Is this refering to Lea who MX thought was on his side? MX seems adamant that the seven lights will show themselves irregardless of who is a vessel; the darknesses are chosen artificially through MX putting part of his heart in them. MX wants the X-blade and this cannot occur until the 7 Lights clash against the 13 darknesses therefore the lights are not pre-chosen, rather their roles occur naturally and organically. Lea's reveal as a keyblader was organic; he attacked a darkness through the goodness of his heart.

 

Mickey thought that Light=Keyblade Wielder, Mickey was merely listing every keyblade wielder he knew. He couldn't think of a 7th one as he didn't know (or he thought of Kairi but MX said they had the last one, so possibly MX thought the last one was Lea/Isa).

 

The secret ending implies that The Light in Darkness (Aqua) leads to the last Key (Ventus). Terra is references by MX as "becoming my vessel". MX is obviously possessing Terra making it nearly impossible to be a Light physically fighting the Norts, until he kicks MX out of the body he is currently in at which point MX's plans fall apart essentially.

 

Now that I have re-watched the ending/secret ending your argument is even more weak. 1) Mickey was listing every keyblade wielder he knew

2) MX referred to 3 lights being under their control (Sora, Terra, and ???, possibly Lea but most likely someone we don't know about).|

3) MX says the lights are chosen naturally which means not artificially. Being artificially chosen would be what you suggest, that since Mickey listed keybladers that it is canon or how the darknesses were created.

4) MX believes that the lights will always end up facing the darknesses; him possessing Sora/Terra will not affect the inevitability of the Keyblade War or else he would possess Terra. MX wants the X-blade and this is only possible when the 13 darks fight the 7 lights.

 

The things you post as proofs are open to interpretation and are not solid proofs, making my past points valid. I should have posted evidence earlier but I thought you would admit that your proofs are not proofs just interpretations of isolated quotes with no context.

 

There's only 8 people capable of being the 7 lights and those are Sora, Mickey, Riku, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Lea, and Kairi considering they're all keyblade wielders and please don't sit here and say they're not keyblade wielders. That would simply be ignorance and a lack of common sense.

Mickey named 6 of them and those were Sora, Riku, himself, Terra, Aqua, and Ven, which leaves 2 left, Terra very well could be one, but they'd have to save him first just like they have to save Aqua and Ven. The fact is the 7 lights are 7 of those keyblade wielders I named above. That much should be common sense.

 

It's pretty obvious 5 of them are Riku, Sora, Mickey, Aqua, and Ven. Terra was implied to be one as well when MX said I have the last 2 lights on my side(Sora at the time and Terra). Isa isn't a keyblade wielder and Lea hadn't learned to summon one yet. You seem to act like Terra can't be one just because he's on MX's side. Well guess what he can be saved before the final battle begins just like Aqua and Ven most likely will be. Lea could very well be one even if they get Terra back before the final battle because one more light would still be needed. It'll be either Lea and Kair(if Terra isn't saved before the final battle), just Lea(if Terra is saved), or just Kairi(i have no idea why they'd choose Kairi over Lea, but this is another possibility considering she can also wield a keyblade and Yen Sid called for her).

 

Your argument is based entirely on conjecture while I at least have sufficient evidence to back up my claims. All you can say to try and prove me wrong is MX and Mickey were lying or are so ignorant they wouldn't know. Do you have any idea how terrible of a counter this is? Now I cannot be bothered to waste anymore of my time with you, so if you still don't get it then I really don't care anymore.

[atheist123 583]

Okay. Your post seems more reasonable now

 

This will remain one of those mysteries that won't be resolved until it happens. No "proofs", "sufficient evidence" or "counter-proofs" will change peoples opinions and there is absolutely no canon surrounding who will be one.

 

This will be my last thing, simply how easy it is for people to be Lights;

Riku=Sora=Mickey=Kairi=Lea (people in Realm of Light, keybladers)>Aqua=Ventus (trapped in darkness and sleep)>>> Terra (has no body, heart battling internally with the most powerful villian in KH series)

 

Nomura could be a troll and make Terra a Light who actively fights against the 13 Norts but it seems unlikely through some convuluted plot where Terra possesses Kairi.

[Skai 3,961]

*Sigh* I NEVER said he couldn't be a light. I simply said from what we know right now he isn't. The 6 lights that have been said are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, and Ven. That leaves one spot open and it could be either Lea or Kairi considering they both can wield keyblades. I said this in my first post in this thread. For the love of god learn to read.

 

 

 

Ansem was controlling Riku and it was him speaking through Riku's body hence why he said he was Ansem. Both Mickey and Xehanort said Terra was one of the 7 lights. Nomura DOESN'T have to say it himself for it to be true. By that logic a ton of things in KH aren't true because Nomura hasn't said it himself. That's completely flawed logic. Nomura created the game, characters, and story, so technically it's him speaking through the characters since the plot came from his head.

 

 

Lol Riku had full control in KH2, he only looked like that because he accepted the darkness. Ansem wasn't controlling him at all in KH2. I'm tired of saying it so, We'll see what we'll see in KH3. It's not confirmed and there is no way to prove it. You can be right and you can be wrong. Terra CAN be a Guardian, but right now it looks like he won't be. Lea and Kairi is more likely to be one rather than Terra, why the hell would Nomura show Lea receive a Keyblade and Kairi in the Secret Ending being called by Yen Sid alluding to her powers if he wasn't going to make them important characters. Terra could've been a light but he probably won't be. There's no way of knowing right now. Xehanort and Mickey say a lot of things, doesn't mean they are all true. That's all there is. It's like the weather, they always use percentages because it's the future, I'm pretty sure you're not a time traveler so how the hell would you know what's in the future. Alright I'm done with this. Not arguing with such an ignorant know-it-all. We won't know who the seven lights will be until they show up in the next installment or some other way.

[Skai 3,961]

Okay. Your post seems more reasonable now

 

This will remain one of those mysteries that won't be resolved until it happens. No "proofs", "sufficient evidence" or "counter-proofs" will change peoples opinions and there is absolutely no canon surrounding who will be one.

 

This will be my last thing, simply how easy it is for people to be Lights;

Riku=Sora=Mickey=Kairi=Lea (people in Realm of Light, keybladers)>Aqua=Ventus (trapped in darkness and sleep)>>> Terra (has no body, heart battling internally with the most powerful villian in KH series)

 

Nomura could be a troll and make Terra a Light who actively fights against the 13 Norts but it seems unlikely through some convuluted plot where Terra possesses Kairi.

 

Just ignore him. You can't sway a mind like this. Mickey and Xehanort could have both been wrong, therefore what ever they say can't be trustworthy. Most of the other things that happened in the story were proved by the agreeing of more than just two characters talking. Just go to preferences and ignore him. It's just tiring. Let him believe what he wants to believe. Your religion argument did make sense by the way.

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

Lol Riku had full control in KH2, he only looked like that because he accepted the darkness. Ansem wasn't controlling him at all in KH2. I'm tired of saying it so, We'll see what we'll see in KH3. It's not confirmed and there is no way to prove it. You can be right and you can be wrong. Terra CAN be a Guardian, but right now it looks like he won't be. Lea and Kairi is more likely to be one rather than Terra, why the hell would Nomura show Lea receive a Keyblade and Kairi in the Secret Ending being called by Yen Sid alluding to her powers if he wasn't going to make them important characters. Terra could've been a light but he probably won't be. There's no way of knowing right now. Xehanort and Mickey say a lot of things, doesn't mean they are all true. That's all there is. It's like the weather, they always use percentages because it's the future, I'm pretty sure you're not a time traveler so how the hell would you know what's in the future. Alright I'm done with this. Not arguing with such an ignorant know-it-all. We won't know who the seven lights will be until they show up in the next installment or some other way.

 

Good because I was pretty tired of arguing with you anyway. You're the one who started this debate, not me. The basis for your argument is pretty pathetic anyway considering all you can say is Nomura didn't say it himself so it's not true. I just laugh now because it simply shows how ignorant you are.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Master Xehanort1690

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Ventus might be in their possession; Castle Oblivion is still owned by the Organisation (or we can assume it is, since we don't know what happened to it (unless it was mentioned in Days, which I haven't played/know very well)).

 

The only facts we have is that; AX was MX in Terra's body ---> He turned into heartless and nobody ---> Xemnas and ASoD were defeated ---> Xemnas/AX is Terra's body ---> AX is thought to have been revived and to be completely possessed by MX ---> Terra has no body and is therefore the least likely to be a light. His "light" is slowly being engulfed by MX's darkness but Eraqus is protecting him. Since YMX can time travel to present MX must physically exist and the vessel in which he has most of his heart in is in AX. From this, Terra seems very unlikely until MX is defeated unless he "kicks" MX out of his body.

 

Sora has Roxas' and Ventus' heart in him---> This allowed him to use keyblade ---> If Ventus' heart returns to its body then Sora is weakened considerably ---> Sora is referenced as "the key that connects them all", not a light. He even admits that he may not be a true keyblade weilder.

 

Master Xehanort1690, we still have no evidence to suggest that Lea isn't a light. We don't know who will be the 7 lights. Accept this, please for the love of god! Just based on current information (such as Mickey not guessing Xehanort is the same as Master Xehanort "duh", or realising that ASoD is an incarnation of Xehanort until halfway through KH, or him never mentioning ATV to Sora and co) Mickey is useless and the most unreliable source. MX saying that the lights will be chosen naturally is the evidence that points most towards Lea actually being a Light. Until KH3 there is no canon regarding who is a light.

 

 

Nope Nomura has CONFIRMED Sora was always meant to wield .Vens heart only sped up the process but he was always meant to. Probably why Vens heart sought out Soras to begin with.. Vens heart was in Roxas hence his appearance .Sora could still wield after forming his nobody( vens heart wasnt released it stayed in the body hence Roxas..When he lost his heart and from that point on till CoM he was wielding WITHOUT vens heart in him .Roxas can duel wield bc he uses Soras and Vens .Yes its possible to grow a heart but Roxas wielded from the moment he existed before he even had time to grow his own heart.When he defeated Xion it awakened his ability to duel wield with Vens ..This is stated by Nomura... Xiggy trolling Sora in this game doesnt mean he wasnt meant to wield ..only that Xiggy wanted him to think that hence TROLLING him like YMX and all the norts were doing .

 

Ok besides the interviews on this site heres another link as well .. http://www.gamefaqs....57971099?page=2

[Skai 3,961]

Nope Nomura has CONFIRMED Sora was always meant to wield .Vens heart only sped up the process but he was always meant to. Probably why Vens heart sought out Soras to begin with.. Vens heart was in Roxas hence his appearance .Sora could still wield after forming his nobody( vens heart wasnt released it stayed in the body hence Roxas..When he lost his heart and from that point on till CoM he was wielding WITHOUT vens heart in him .Roxas can duel wield bc he uses Soras and Vens .Yes its possible to grow a heart but Roxas wielded from the moment he existed before he even had time to grow his own heart.When he defeated Xion it awakened his ability to duel wield with Vens ..This is stated by Nomura... Xiggy trolling Sora in this game doesnt mean he wasnt meant to wield ..only that Xiggy wanted him to think that hence TROLLING him like YMX and all the norts were doing .

 

Ok besides the interviews on this site heres another link as well .. http://www.gamefaqs....57971099?page=2

 

Interesting, this was my theory, but it has been confirmed already.

[Tom 437]

Wow, I'm shocked that you guys wasted 2 pages for an itty bitty argument. I feel like Alpha from Power Rangers.

 

I am seeing a lot of butthurt when it comes down to opinion, fact, and theory/argument, whatever. Let me just settle some things.

 

With the Seven Lights, let's see who's LOGICALLY and OBVIOUSLY on the Seven Lights. Also note that the Seven Lights ARE Keyblade Wielders, as stated by Mickey. You have Riku and Mickey, then you can place Aqua and Ventus in the mix. These guys are without a doubt on that side. Then you have three more seats to fill. Now let's cross out those who are more likely to not be a part of them. Roxas, because at this point, even if he were to be revived, we don't know if he were to have to own heart or if he could truly be essential to them when you already have Sora there, and no, just because he was shown in the opening with the others, does not make you right, or a smarty. Xion, because see Roxas. Eraqus, because he's pretty much dead and if he does somehow get revived, he's either a Xehanort or he'll just be a minor support character, which I highly doubt, you'll see below.

 

Now that we got that out of the way, let's check on the could-be lights.

 

We have Lea and Kairi. Lea has shown to finally wield a Keyblade, however he may of done it. And Kairi has been able to wield a Keyblade since the end of KH2. Some of you are saying these are merely unconfirmed and an opinion, but let's be honest people. Why would they ever show Lea with a Keyblade? Why would they ever show Kairi at the Secret Ending? If they weren't going to be a part of the Seven Lights, then why the firetruck would they bother having them get Keyblades? It's called foreshadowing. They don't give Keyblades to people for fun. Having those Keyblades gives them a great importance, thus becoming a plot device which is the Seven Lights. It's not a matter of, "LUL NOMURA DIDNT CONFIRM IT", you just have to realize what Nomura throws out. If he's clearly showing Lea and Kairi to be wielding Keyblades, then I'm pretty sure he's signalling their part in the Seven Lights. Some things in KH are just not rocket science.

 

And finally we have our last seat, and this seat will either go to Sora or Terra. Now you have to go back to what Mickey said, despite knowing that the Seven Lights are changed after what Mickey said. Here's the entire discussion:

 

Mickey: Seven guardians of light - Keyblade Wielders. Me, Riku, Sora...then with the three still missing, that's 6...The last one would be...And, the thirteen seekers of darknesses...

 

MX: That's the Mickey I know. You're quick. However, both Sora and the last one are on our side. In other words, three lights are still missing. But, don't get ideas. The protectors of the light are chosen naturally.

 

Now going by what the translation is said, Sora and the Last One are on the Thirteen Darknesses. But he did say THREE were missing. And yet, he counted off two people. This is where you start deciding who is really on each side. A lot of people, from what I see, say that the Last One is in fact Terra. That is NOT CORRECT. If you have played Recoded or seen some of the stuff, you'll realize that if Terra is ever mentioned, so is Aqua and Ventus. They always seemed to be grouped together. So when Mickey says "then with the three still missing", he's referring to Terra, Aqua, and Ven. That means that the Last One has to be someone who wields a Keyblade AND was meant to be on the Seven Lights. Who can it be? Well I can tell you that Xion isn't the Last One because nobody is able to remember her, so nobody can acknowledge her existence. So we're left with two people. Roxas and Eraqus. Let's start with Roxas first. Roxas COULD be the Last One because if Sora had become one of the Thirteen Darknesses, he would also be forced as one under the Thirteen Darknesses. HOWEVER, he can't because right before this conversation happened, Young Master Xehanort and Riku talked about who was going to be vessels, such as this:

 

YMX: Don't touch the new vessel.

 

Riku: Vessel?

 

YMX: Yeah. In the beginning, it was meant to be you. But your heart built up a tolerance to the darkness. So we chose the next Keyblade Wielder like you. Roxas...A being quite suited to be a vessel. But he had too much of a sense of self, and went back to Sora.

 

Because of that, Roxas is no longer a part of MX's plan. He already went back to Sora, and thus, his plan to use him failed. This means that Roxas is not on either side. So the only person that can be under the title of the Last One is Eraqus. Since Yen Sid has said that in the beginning of Dream Drop Distance that to naturally use the Keyblade, you must of been taught by a Keyblade Master, and because Mickey has met with both Ven and Aqua in BBS, it's safe to assume that Mickey acknowledges that Eraqus does exist, but he does not know who he is, as in name or character-wise, just knows that a master for them had existed. With Eraqus' heart used to being in Terranort, we don't know where is heart ended up, but because his heart traveled with both Terra and MX, it may be possible that it landed in Xehanort's hands and is now Xehanortified.

 

After this whole long thing, there is now another light missing. I see that there is discussion about Terra being the other, but let's not get too ahead of ourselves. You have to understand that we don't know where the heart is, and you have to realize that a part of Terra is alive and not a Xehanort, aka the Lingering Sentiment. That's the thing about Terra. Nobody really considers the Lingering Sentiment as a Keyblade Wielder. Sure, it might not be a person, but it can still wield a Keyblade and it is still technically Terra. I think what will determine Terra's status is based on where his heart is. If Terra's heart went back to Terranort, then he's most likely going to be a Xehanort. If Terra's heart somehow returned to the Lingering Sentiment or at least end up in the heroes' hands, then he'll be on the Seven Lights for the most part. If anything, he could literally be on both sides, because of the Lingering Sentiment is still around. But we don't know.

 

So the question is if Sora or Terra fills the seat, it's most likely going to be Terra, with a real dependence on Terra's heart. You see, when you try to check if Sora has the potential to be on the Seven Lights, you have to remember that Sora is not technically a true Keyblade Wielder. He has not be taught by a Keyblade Master NOR has the Rites of Succession been brought upon him. Instead, his strong heart is what really got him to wield a Keyblade. You'll see that during the countless games that people mock Sora about being a Keyblade Wielder since he just happen to get it, more of "pure luck" than anything.

 

So when you take all this information, plus the Ending and Secret Ending of the game, you'll find that this is how the Seven Lights might go:

 

1) Riku

2) Mickey

3) Aqua

4) Terra

5) Ven

6) Lea

7) Kairi

 

Now you can all stop your bitching with each other and make up.

 

Mark and John said that Jesus' life was true therefore it must be. Therefore, the Bible is 100% true. (Not to turn into religious debate but your logic is REEALLLLLLYYYY flawed and only metahphors may be able to help you realise this.)

 

Wat.

 

mfw your name has a connection to your example. Actually, mfw everything of this example.

 

Try another example. Honestly http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png

Edited April 28, 2012 by Tom

[justjack91@cox.net 5]

MX confirmed Terra to be one as well when he said I have 2 of the 7 lights on my side(Terra and Sora at the time). The 7 lights are chosen naturally, so he can't be replaced like you seem to think. The last light is either Lea or Kairi considering the 7 lights are all keyblade wielders.

 

Still think Eraqus is in the picture as a "Light" since he never really "died" (just pulled a Kairi and went into Terra's heart) so he has potential as well.

 

Edit: Also, I think we can have keyblade wielders of light without them necessarily being part of the "7 Lights," so honestly I really think Lea and Kairi will remain supporting characters in the sense that yes, they can fight with a keyblade, but we need everyone to be able to defend themselves now from 13 Xehanorts. It's a new ballgame thanks to his final plan.

Edited April 29, 2012 by justjack91@cox.net

[atheist123 583]

Now you can all stop your bitching with each other and make up.

 

We had actually came to a conclusion That neither of us could possibly know . . .

 

Wat.

 

mfw your name has a connection to your example. Actually, mfw everything of this example.

 

Try another example. Honestly http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png

 

Haha yeah I only used this example because it suits the situation best: Master Xehanort1690 believed that Terra was a Light because Mickey and MX (both secondary sources or not sources at all) implied that he was, even though there was no evidence apart from their word. People believe that Jesus is the messiah/saviour of mankind because of a book written 1900 years ago based on recounts of peoples experiences with a man ( secondary resource) and countless translations that further corrupt any truths. The inconsistancies in the bible is comparable to the inconsistancies about who should be a Light (there is just as much evidence that Kairi and Lea will be lights over Terra).

 

And also, I agree with everything you said. I was trying to be reasonable but failed after the argument started

[G-SANtos 105]

Has anyone thought about Terra's Nobody being a light and Master Xehanort's Nobody being a darkness? The possibility of their existences was brought in the BbS Ultimania interview.

 

-- In "KHI" when Sora stabs the "Keyblade of people's hearts" into himself to release his heart and Kairi's, Sora's Heartless and Nobody were born. When Master Xehanort and Terra:Xehanort stab themselves with the Keyblade, were his and Terra's Nobodies not created?

 

Nomura: That is not yet clear. However I will say that the fixed sentiment that remained just after Master Xehanort stabbed himself with the Keyblade was not a Heartless.

 

Also, I think that the Guardian is Master Xehanort's Heartless.