KH3D Sorry to ask..... what is the true being of Red eye?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I never said they were the same, but if they were the same was the OP's question then, no they're not.

Whether they're linked or not, no one can say, theres some things to suggest they are, but thats all it is, suggestions.

 

Read what i said ..I said HE not you meaning the original poster ...Furthermore since one is a heartless and another is a nightmare they CANT be the same which the original poster said . Read that whole paragraph i wrote again bc you are in denial buddy ..The "connections " mentioned arent even really connections.The purple/black/bluish color haze signifies darkness and since the nightmare came from darkness its not surprising he has that on his cloak..Hunter of the darks eyes arent even really red but yellow and change back and forth to red and yellow. The red eyed in DDD has red eyes like all nightmares and his dont change .Their battle music is different too. Edited April 8, 2012 by axel_lea_lives_on

[Bosh104 51]

Knowing Nomura, it's completely possible they are related. The Hunter of the Dark's eyes may not literally be red, but Anti-Black's similar eyes could purposefully be a connection, along with purple designs on the ends of his coat... Like someone said earlier, you never can be certain when brainstorming the future of kingdom hearts

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Knowing Nomura, it's completely possible they are related. The Hunter of the Dark's eyes may not literally be red, but Anti-Black's similar eyes could purposefully be a connection, along with purple designs on the ends of his coat... Like someone said earlier, you never can be certain when brainstorming the future of kingdom hearts

 

Have you read all the posts on this thread ? Seriously ? Their eyes arent the same .All nightmares have those eyes .Hunter of the darks eyes only change color from yellow to red but not permanently..The purple /blue/black haze signifies darkness.Just like the corridors of darkness have that haze.The anti-black coat' appeared from a haze of darkness and Riku calls him a nightmare which are creatures of darkness in the realm of sleep so its nothing special to have that purple on his cloak.Hunter of the dark is a HEARTLESS..Who cant even enter the realm of sleep.Anti-black coat is a nightmare hence the symbol on his back .They dont even have the same names .They were only both fan dubbed 'red eyes "...None of the 'connections' mentioned are actually real connections .

[Bosh104 51]

Have you read all the posts on this thread ? Seriously ? Their eyes arent the same .All nightmares have those eyes .Hunter of the darks eyes only change color from yellow to red but not permanently..The purple /blue/black haze signifies darkness.Just like the corridors of darkness have that haze.The anti-black coat' appeared from a haze of darkness and Riku calls him a nightmare which are creatures of darkness in the realm of sleep so its nothing special to have that purple on his cloak.Hunter of the dark is a HEARTLESS..Who cant even enter the realm of sleep.Anti-black coat is a nightmare hence the symbol on his back .They dont even have the same names .They were only both fan dubbed 'red eyes "...None of the 'connections' mentioned are actually real connections .

 

When Xemnas was a secret boss in KHFM, there was no "real connection" between him and anything that implied he was Ansem SoD's other half, yet guess what, he had a very strong connection, with no signs of it. Same goes for YMX in BbS, how could anyone of known it was him? I mean there were no connections, yet it's him. My point is there doesn't have to be visible connections between two characters for them to be connected.

Edited April 9, 2012 by Bosh104

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

When Xemnas was a secret boss in KHFM, there was no "real connection" between him and anything that implied he was Ansem SoD's other half, yet guess what, he had a very strong connection, with no signs of it. Same goes for YMX in BbS, how could anyone of known it was him? I mean there were no connections, yet it's him. My point is there doesn't have to be visible connections between two characters for them to be connected.

 

What im saying is , people are saying these things ARE the connections ...when they arent for all the reasons ive stated .They are reaching false conclusions on"connections" that arent connections... Also as stated, the original poster thought they were the same being altogether which they are not.One is a nightmare the other a heartless..As for KHFM and KH Nomura changed a lot of things up that werent what he originally was doing .Ansem wasnt even suppose to be the main villain .He was added last minute himself .Thats why there werent connections to Ansem or Xemnas really .The original game was meant to be a standalone game ..not a series so Nomura had to change it up..I do agree with you about Nomura liking to change things up last minute and then leaves plotholes or questions which im convinced he didnt even know himself

Edited April 9, 2012 by axel_lea_lives_on

[VoidXName 346]

 

^^^This so much!! Bwahaha

[Bosh104 51]

What im saying is , people are saying these things ARE the connections ...when they arent for all the reasons ive stated .They are reaching false conclusions on"connections" that arent connections... Also as stated, the original poster thought they were the same being altogether which they are not.One is a nightmare the other a heartless..As for KHFM and KH Nomura changed a lot of things up that werent what he originally was doing .Ansem wasnt even suppose to be the main villain .He was added last minute himself .Thats why there werent connections to Ansem or Xemnas really .The original game was meant to be a standalone game ..not a series so Nomura had to change it up..I do agree with you about Nomura liking to change things up last minute and then leaves plotholes or questions which im convinced he didnt even know himself

 

But the truth is that nothing's certain (which is common in KH), you're speaking as if your 100%, jesus-christ-himself-backs-you-up sure they're not the same, I'm saying it's totally possible, even if there's things that go against it.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

But the truth is that nothing's certain (which is common in KH), you're speaking as if your 100%, jesus-christ-himself-backs-you-up sure they're not the same, I'm saying it's totally possible, even if there's things that go against it.

 

When you can prove to me that a heartless and a nightmare are the same entity then you can say its possible.Till then , its not ..Furthermore its already been stated that heartless CANT enter the realm of sleep further proving they cant be the same thing.Explain this problem with your theory and ill give you a cookie .

[Bosh104 51]

When you can prove to me that a heartless and a nightmare are the same entity then you can say its possible.Till then , its not ..Furthermore its already been stated that heartless CANT enter the realm of sleep further proving they cant be the same thing.Explain this problem with your theory and ill give you a cookie .

 

That doesn't need to be proven, whether they are the same or not, i can care less. The argument i'm making is that it's POSSIBLE they are CONNECTED, process that for a minute. I'm not saying it's CERTAIN, i'm not saying they are THE SAME CREATURE. You're throwing facts at me that do not disprove my theory.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That doesn't need to be proven, whether they are the same or not, i can care less. The argument i'm making is that it's POSSIBLE they are CONNECTED, process that for a minute. I'm not saying it's CERTAIN, i'm not saying they are THE SAME CREATURE. You're throwing facts at me that do not disprove my theory.

 

I am you just dont want to admit it .If you didnt care you wouldnt still be here debating this with me.You just dont have an answer for what im asking.Furthermore the original poster was asking about this bc he thought they were the same person..Process THAT for a moment .That was the reason he made this thread .In order for this to be possible Nomura himself would have to change his own words and work..He even stated that DDD started out with us fighting heartless again but realized it wouldnt make sense bc they cant enter the realm of sleep so he created the dream eater/ nightmare later on .He created Hunter of the dark years prior .. .But whatever carry on thinking whatever you want

[Bosh104 51]

I am you just dont want to admit it .If you didnt care you wouldnt still be here debating this with me.You just dont have an answer for what im asking.Furthermore the original poster was asking about this bc he thought they were the same person..Process THAT for a moment .That was the reason he made this thread .In order for this to be possible Nomura himself would have to change his own words and work..He even stated that DDD started out with us fighting heartless again but realized it wouldnt make sense bc they cant enter the realm of sleep so he created the dream eater/ nightmare later on .He created Hunter of the dark years prior .. .But whatever carry on thinking whatever you want

 

It's honestly not because I don't have an answer, answering is just unnecessary but you're not getting that through your head, but I guess

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

It's honestly not because I don't have an answer, answering is just unnecessary but you're not getting that through your head, but I guess

 

No you arent getting through your head that Hunter of the dark cant be a nightmare .Period.Nightmares didnt exist when BBSFM was made .Nomura made them up YEARS after the fact bc heartless cant enter the realm of sleep ..Those were his very words .. ..you simply dont have an answer bc there isnt one. Like i said carry on thinking whatever if it makes you feel better XDDDD

[Bosh104 51]

No you arent getting through your head that Hunter of the dark cant be a nightmare .Period.Nightmares didnt exist when BBSFM was made .Nomura made them up YEARS after the fact bc heartless cant enter the realm of sleep ..Those were his very words .. ..you simply dont have an answer bc there isnt one. Like i said carry on thinking whatever if it makes you feel better XDDDD

 

Dude http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png once again, i am not saying that they are one in the same, that's why i'm not answering, my main point, argument, "debate" is that with nomura's creative mind, anything is possible, including the two being connected, even if the nightmares were created last minute, nomura always finds loopholes around stuff to surprise us. The only thing that will make me say "it's not possible" or "it isn't so" is if nomura says "the creature from bbsfm and the anti black coat are not the same or connected", or if the anti black coat takes off his hood (though he might not even have much of a face under there), not you. Yeah you have facts, and that's fine i applaud your knowledge, but you keep dishing it out against an argument thats not even there. I haven't been arguing or debating saying you're wrong, if you look back, all my posts are about saying it's possible, whether 99% or 0.5%, not that i'm certain they are, I never said that, but you're acting like i am.

[Azure Flame 670]

Just drop it guys, it's gotten out of hand. You're just saying the same thing over again and getting nowhere. It's true that Heartless can't go to the Realm of Sleep, but it's also possible that the Anti-Black Coat could be the Unnamed Heartless's Dream Eater counterpart. Just like it's possible it could be Vanitas, since it fits the description of Vanitas before Sora and Ven's hearts connected. We won't know until the game actually comes out in the US.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Dude http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png once again, i am not saying that they are one in the same, that's why i'm not answering, my main point, argument, "debate" is that with nomura's creative mind, anything is possible, including the two being connected, even if the nightmares were created last minute, nomura always finds loopholes around stuff to surprise us. The only thing that will make me say "it's not possible" or "it isn't so" is if nomura says "the creature from bbsfm and the anti black coat are not the same or connected", or if the anti black coat takes off his hood (though he might not even have much of a face under there), not you. Yeah you have facts, and that's fine i applaud your knowledge, but you keep dishing it out against an argument thats not even there. I haven't been arguing or debating saying you're wrong, if you look back, all my posts are about saying it's possible, whether 99% or 0.5%, not that i'm certain they are, I never said that, but you're acting like i am.

 

Yes i understand that ..Im also saying the only way it could be the same is if Nomura pulls a retcon .As for the moment and with the info that is presently given it shouldnt be possible is what im saying .Also , i do think Nomura pulls some things outta his ass time to time so in that aspect i do agree with you .

[Bosh104 51]

Just drop it guys, it's gotten out of hand. You're just saying the same thing over again and getting nowhere. It's true that Heartless can't go to the Realm of Sleep, but it's also possible that the Anti-Black Coat could be the Unnamed Heartless's Dream Eater counterpart. Just like it's possible it could be Vanitas, since it fits the description of Vanitas before Sora and Ven's hearts connected. We won't know until the game actually comes out in the US.

 

That's all i've been trying to say from the beginning ._.

 

Yes i understand that ..Im also saying the only way it could be the same is if Nomura pulls a retcon .As for the moment and with the info that is presently given it shouldnt be possible is what im saying .Also , i do think Nomura pulls some things outta his ass time to time so in that aspect i do agree with you .

 

Yeah I mean I know how impossible it seems man, but yes Nomura does pull some crazy shit we never expect, and that is a reason why we love the series so much, isn't it? That's why I'm saying it's possible, because in his world anything seems to be, while at the same time making sense.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That's all i've been trying to say from the beginning ._.

 

 

 

Yeah I mean I know how impossible it seems man, but yes Nomura does pull some crazy shit we never expect, and that is a reason why we love the series so much, isn't it? That's why I'm saying it's possible, because in his world anything seems to be, while at the same time making sense.

 

Yes im on board with this

[Bosh104 51]

Yes im on board with this

 

(Correction, those things that are possible DON'T make sense, until nomura MAKES it make sense, or if da game explains it in some way; Nomura is such a troll)

 

Mutual understanding, i love it

Edited April 9, 2012 by Bosh104

[LAA 13]

 

Read what i said ..I said HE not you meaning the original poster ...Furthermore since one is a heartless and another is a nightmare they CANT be the same which the original poster said . Read that whole paragraph i wrote again bc you are in denial buddy ..The "connections " mentioned arent even really connections.The purple/black/bluish color haze signifies darkness and since the nightmare came from darkness its not surprising he has that on his cloak..Hunter of the darks eyes arent even really red but yellow and change back and forth to red and yellow. The red eyed in DDD has red eyes like all nightmares and his dont change .Their battle music is different too.

 

Wow... You're telling ME to read? I said IF IT WAS THE OP's QUESTION, then NO they're not the same. Plus I'm not really in denial or not... Whether they're related to each other or not wont kill KH for me I assure you, and what you're saying doesn't even disprove anything, that's like saying xemnas can't possibly be related to SOD because they have different hair styles... The eyes for anti-black definately suggest he's a dream eater nightmare, I'm not debating that at all,I'm saying the red eyes heartless and anti-black coat may be CONNECTED to each other in someway. The coat being a similar colour because of darkness is a bad reason if true, why isn't SOD's robes like that then? Their battle music have that similar rhythm too, (unless I'm hearing things), so clearly there is some support to say they're connected, but whether it's true, no one knows.

The theory it could be vanitas can be just as true, the dream eater may criticise it to a point, but not 100%.

Edited April 9, 2012 by LAA

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Wow... You're telling ME to read? I said IF IT WAS THE OP's QUESTION, then NO they're not the same. Plus I'm not really in denial or not... Whether they're related to each other or not wont kill KH for me I assure you, and what you're saying doesn't even disprove anything, that's like saying xemnas can't possibly be related to SOD because they have different hair styles... The eyes for anti-black definately suggest he's a dream eater nightmare, I'm not debating that at all,I'm saying the red eyes heartless and anti-black coat may be CONNECTED to each other in someway. The coat being a similar colour because of darkness is a bad reason if true, why isn't SOD's robes like that then? Their battle music have that similar rhythm too, (unless I'm hearing things), so clearly there is some support to say they're connected, but whether it's true, no one knows.

The theory it could be vanitas can be just as true, the dream eater may criticise it to a point, but not 100%.

 

I told you to read bc i was refering blatantly to the the original poster which is why i said HE and not YOU . .Why is this hard to understand? I outright said this to you so yes please read .Ansem SoD isnt a dreameater so comparing why his robe might not be the same doesnt really say much.Thats probably how he chose to manifest his.Even all the other cloaks in the organization are different..I already went through this discussion already Im not gonna go in circles with this again.I already posted reasons why none of those make sense .I also argued the point about whether they are the SAME BEING .Which you just said they arent yourself .So tell me what is your point ? Bosh and i made a mutual understanding on this subject .Read that too but since you arent fond of thoroughly reading what i even type i dont know why i bother to type this to you .You are arguing with me about something you yourself said isnt the same being.Im saying the points you are saying might be connections dont make sense as possibilties...let alone give support to. Finally if the anti black coat is vanitas its still proving that the two beings arent the same being so since you are agreeing they arent the same being tell me what is your point ?

 

(Correction, those things that are possible DON'T make sense, until nomura MAKES it make sense, or if da game explains it in some way; Nomura is such a troll)

 

Mutual understanding, i love it

 

Haha yes i love it and i agree on this 100 %

Edited April 9, 2012 by axel_lea_lives_on

[XIIISwords 1,059]

^^^This so much!! Bwahaha

 

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[VoidXName 346]

the argument above makes me lmao

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

the argument above makes me lmao

 

LOL IKR!!!

[VoidXName 346]

 

LOL IKR!!!

 

Yes lolol

[LAA 13]

Sigh, I just give up trying to explain, what I say wont influence you in anyway, so its just a waste of time, ha ha.

Clearly fully explaining myself doesnt work, so lets try this:

 

Red Eyes + Anti-Black Coat - NOT THE SAME

Red Eyes + Anti-Black Coat - MAY BE CONNECTED/RELATED (Or not)

 

Agreed?

 

P.S. Just for the record, I did read it, thats why I said about the vanitas theory possibly being true as well, and I'm not trying to say I'm 100% true like you really want to be, I'm just saying the two possibly theorys KH fans can put together with their existing knowledge. Normura ultimately knows what it is, we're just trying to put the pieces together with what we think it could be. I'm not 100% right, you're not 100% right, you cant say I'm wrong, I cant say you're wrong, its that simple really.

Also, if I was you, I probably wouldnt try to talk to me again, seeing that I see what you say as a waste of time, obviously you're going around in circles, thats because you wont be influenced by what anyone else says, even in the slightest, so anyone trying to talk to you will be a waste of time, unless you like talking to a record player and one without eyes it seems... So, I end it here, I cant be bothered wasting my time trying to explain a theory to you, as you just cant comprehend it.

Edited April 9, 2012 by LAA