Discuss KH3 Final Boss Theories

[Smithee 327]

In the 3D forum I posted a topic containing my theory of the Final Boss of KH3. However, I discontinued that topic for several reasons:

 

1) - The title "IDEA for KH3 Final Boss" implied that I wanted people to hear MY theory while selfishly ignoring other theories. I should've made an impartial title welcoming ALL theories.

 

2) - It's dead regardless of what I do.

 

3) - It would've fit better in this forum instead.

 

So, anyway, this is where you discuss who/what should be the Final Boss(es). Be sure to place your theories in spoiler tags; after all, it IS more dramatic that way.

 

Such as the theory I've already posted in that earlier topic:

 

 

  SPOILERS: Click to reveal

I believe that simply having Xehanort as the Final Boss of KH3 would be too obvious and bland. He should be the semi-final Boss instead (like Barthandelus from FF13). Here's who I think should be the TRUE Final Boss of KH3:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aqua.

 

It makes sense, if you think about it. All the other main characters have been Bosses at some point in the series (whether via possession, corruption, or just insanity). However, Aqua has been "pure" all the way through; her Heart hasn't even been tampered with once! KH3 is where I think she'll finally "snap," and here's how:

 

At the Keyblade Graveyard, after the heroes (including everyone who needed "saving") defeat the New Organization, only MX remains. After a Boss Battle or two with him, he'll be severely weakened and try to make one last break for Kingdom Hearts. However, Aqua cuts him off and takes it for herself instead. She reveals that ever since she escaped the Realm Of Darkness she has been planning to take the power of Kingdom Hearts for two purposes: to rid the universe of the very Darkness that devastated her and her friends, and to transform all worlds back into the "Original World (the Light-world Kairi's Grandmother spoke about)." She also thanks the shocked Xehanort for doing all the work for her, and gives him his "reward": stabbing him with her Keyblade and forcibly filling his Heart with Light in order to erase his Darkness. His Heart, having been almost nothing BUT Darkness, cannot survive and fades from existence completely. She then destroys Xehanort's body as well before it can regrow another Heart. Her friends, shocked, demand to know what has gotten into her, but Aqua says that she is merely fulfilling her duty as Eraqus' successor: namely, protecting the Light at all costs. Aqua explains her belief that Darkness will never stop trying to consume Light, so Light should finally "strike back" and eliminate the Darkness instead. Using the combined power of both Kingdom Hearts and the Graveyard's Keyblades, she will force Darkness out of every heart and world until the entire universe is "absolute (pure Light)," as it was ages ago in the Original World. Then, she will "watch over" this new "Absolute World" as its Goddess to ensure that Darkness never exists again. Her manipulation and brutal killing of Xehanort was simply karma, as she claims, for the way he worshipped the Darkness, betrayed the Light, and devastated her, her "brothers," and Master Eraqus. Sora & Co., alarmed and outraged at Aqua's revelation, tell her that Darkness is NOT evil like she thinks, and that all she'll be doing is destroying the balance of the worlds. Aqua refuses to listen, demanding to know why, if Darkness isn't evil, has it only created "monsters" like Xehanort and ruined good people like her, Terra, and Ven, while Light has only created "heroes and princesses?" Aqua then declares that Xehanort's Darkness "started this tragedy," while her Light will "end it forever." Unable to talk her down, the heroes declare that they'll have no choice but to stop her, and the first Boss Battle with Aqua begins.

 

To be continued....

 

Edited April 6, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[PuellaMagiAquaMagica 24]

Your theory somehow made me reminded by this picture:

 

 

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I don't really want that theory to occur, though it's interesting in a way. I think having MX as a final boss is already enough, since it was called 'Xehanort Saga' after all.

 

 

Edited April 6, 2012 by PuellaMagiAquaMagica

[Smithee 327]

  On 4/6/2012 at 1:04 PM, 'PuellaMagiAquaMagica' said:

Your theory somehow made me reminded by this picture:

 

 

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I don't really want that theory to occur, though it's interesting in a way. I think having MX as a final boss is already enough, since it was called 'Xehanort Saga' after all.

 

 

 

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Okaaaay....

 

 

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MX would still be the mastermind for the bulk of the game. Aqua's sudden "vigilante"-streak would be more "spur of the moment," only planned about halfway through KH3. And she already had a negative view of Darkness, after all. That view was just reinforced by Xehanort's actions and by her time in the Realm Of Darkness.

 

Oh, and having a LIGHT-based Final Boss would fit this pattern:

 

Kingdom Hearts - Ansem SOD (Darkness)

Kingdom Hearts II - Xemnas (Nothingness/Twilight)

Kingdom Hearts III - Aqua (Light)

 

Edited April 6, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Iamkingdomhearts1000 1,170]

I think i allready said before on the other forum that i just wanted only a Final Boss battle between both Sora and Master Xehanort, Alone, Just one on one only, At the Keyblade Graveyard, Where they can only wield both the Kingdom Key and Master Xehanort's currently unnamed Keyblade respectively.

[EdeaKramer 32]

it is clear that MX will be the final boss lol

[Smithee 327]

  On 4/6/2012 at 1:44 PM, 'Iamkingdomhearts1000' said:

I think i allready said before on the other forum that i just wanted only a Final Boss battle between both Sora and Master Xehanort, Alone, Just one on one only, At the Keyblade Graveyard, Where they can only wield both the Kingdom Key and Master Xehanort's currently unnamed Keyblade respectively.

 

This still happens in my theory, but it will just be the semi-final Boss.

[Iamkingdomhearts1000 1,170]

  On 4/6/2012 at 2:01 PM, 'Alan Smithee' said:

This still happens in my theory, but it will just be the semi-final Boss.

 

I see and kool :].

[Smithee 327]

  On 4/6/2012 at 1:53 PM, 'EdeaKramer' said:

it is clear that MX will be the final boss lol

 

Are you sure?

 

As mentioned in that other topic of mine, KH1 did that same buildup with Maleficent, but then replaced her with Ansem SOD at the last minute.

 

Also, I did mention Barthandelus from FF13, a more recent example.

[Nweintraub 630]

Ya know what I think should be the final boss of Kingdom Hearts 3? Ressurected Zombie Xehanort Controled by Vanitas & Fused with Kingdom Hearts itself. Not only will it have the powers of Xemnas, Ansem SOD & Vanitas, but it will also mock the players attacks, & Have very high HP(even though I don't really want it to have high HP), & it should bear a striking resemblance to Astaroth's 1P costume in Soul Calibur IV, & it should wield two keyblades, & they would be his own, & the X-blade. It will be very strong, & it will sound like there's more than one of him when he talks.

[Uncle Dolan 963]

If this were too happen, this boss would be way too short. Aqua is too firetrucking weak.

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  On 4/6/2012 at 3:11 PM, 'Uncle Dolan' said:

If this were too happen, this boss would be way too short. Aqua is too firetrucking weak.

 

Edea put it nicely:

 

  On 4/6/2012 at 6:04 PM, 'EdeaKramer' said:

lol not at all

Aqua is in Gameplay one of the best mages, she also has a good possibility for the attack, dodge, run technique what would be valuable for every character..

also story wise she certainly was the strongest keyblade wielder at the point where it was the most important: her heart

explain how someone could be weak if she fights at a war she knew she would always lose something.. and in the end she stayed fighting untill the end, actually even after the end she has been fighting.

explain to me how a weak character could stay strong after she knew it might be possible one of her best friends/the person she felt love for like he was a little brother could never awaken from his deep slumber? How she was weak while she sacrificed herself to save Terra, the person she knew was to weak to stay away from the darkness and was bearing the certain most evil calamity in his mind there ever was? Aqua even has been fighting to stay alive in the ROD for over 10years, just because she knows she needs to save her friends, that she actually is the only person who can save Ventus.

 

Your argument that Aqua is weak is ridiculous, she was the strongest of all keyblade wielders, she has the strongest heart of them all. And that is what this series is telling us for 10 years; it is the heart that makes us strong not our power.

 

In addition, Aqua would also be using the power of Kingdom Hearts in all of her Boss forms (It wouldn't be a Final Boss Battle without multiple forms, now would it?).

 

Btw Edea, Nomura said time goes by much faster in the ROD, so from her perspective it was likely only about a week or so.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[EdeaKramer 32]

  On 4/6/2012 at 2:06 PM, 'Alan Smithee' said:

Are you sure?

 

As mentioned in that other topic of mine, KH1 did that same buildup with Maleficent, but then replaced her with Ansem SOD at the last minute.

 

Also, I did mention Barthandelus from FF13, a more recent example.

 

yes but it was the story of KH1, Ansem SoD just played it smart and stayed silent until he got the opportunity to take control of Riku. Maleficent just was his toy whose actions already were started in BBS..

[EdeaKramer 32]

  On 4/6/2012 at 3:11 PM, 'Uncle Dolan' said:

If this were too happen, this boss would be way too short. Aqua is too firetrucking weak.

 

lol not at all

Aqua is in Gameplay one of the best mages, she also has a good possibility for the attack, dodge, run technique what would be valuable for every character..

also story wise she certainly was the strongest keyblade wielder at the point where it was the most important: her heart

explain how someone could be weak if she fights at a war she knew she would always lose something.. and in the end she stayed fighting untill the end, actually even after the end she has been fighting.

explain to me how a weak character could stay strong after she knew it might be possible one of her best friends/the person she felt love for like he was a little brother could never awaken from his deep slumber? How she was weak while she sacrificed herself to save Terra, the person she knew was to weak to stay away from the darkness and was bearing the certain most evil calamity in his mind there ever was? Aqua even has been fighting to stay alive in the ROD for over 10years, just because she knows she needs to save her friends, that she actually is the only person who can save Ventus.

 

Your argument that Aqua is weak is ridiculous, she was the strongest of all keyblade wielders, she has the strongest heart of them all. And that is what this series is telling us for 10 years; it is the heart that makes us strong not our power.

[Uncle Dolan 963]

  On 4/6/2012 at 6:04 PM, 'EdeaKramer' said:

lol not at all

Aqua is in Gameplay one of the best mages, she also has a good possibility for the attack, dodge, run technique what would be valuable for every character..

also story wise she certainly was the strongest keyblade wielder at the point where it was the most important: her heart

explain how someone could be weak if she fights at a war she knew she would always lose something.. and in the end she stayed fighting untill the end, actually even after the end she has been fighting.

explain to me how a weak character could stay strong after she knew it might be possible one of her best friends/the person she felt love for like he was a little brother could never awaken from his deep slumber? How she was weak while she sacrificed herself to save Terra, the person she knew was to weak to stay away from the darkness and was bearing the certain most evil calamity in his mind there ever was? Aqua even has been fighting to stay alive in the ROD for over 10years, just because she knows she needs to save her friends, that she actually is the only person who can save Ventus.

 

Your argument that Aqua is weak is ridiculous, she was the strongest of all keyblade wielders, she has the strongest heart of them all. And that is what this series is telling us for 10 years; it is the heart that makes us strong not our power.

 

She firetrucking died in every world at least 3 times for me. I don't suck at KH either, she was the most boring to play as and her defense is jackshit. Also, having a strong heart as a detail in a god damn game doesn't make a character stronger in gameplay. Edited April 6, 2012 by Uncle Dolan

[Smithee 327]

  On 4/6/2012 at 7:25 PM, 'Uncle Dolan' said:

She firetrucking died in every world at least 3 times for me. I don't suck at KH either, she was the most boring to play as and her defense is jackshit. Also, having a strong heart as a detail in a god damn game doesn't make a character stronger in gameplay.

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1VTeXe3FnA

Edited April 6, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Uncle Dolan 963]

  On 4/6/2012 at 8:16 PM, 'Alan Smithee' said:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1VTeXe3FnA

 

I love AVGN, what about it?

[Smithee 327]

  On 4/7/2012 at 1:59 AM, 'Uncle Dolan' said:

I love AVGN, what about it?

 

People swearing about game frustrations always reminds me of James Rolfe.

Edited April 7, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Uncle Dolan 963]

  On 4/7/2012 at 11:52 AM, 'Alan Smithee' said:

People swearing about game frustrations always reminds me of James Rolfe.

 

Oh, that's pretty normal man.

[Skai 3,961]

  On 4/6/2012 at 12:37 PM, 'Alan Smithee' said:

In the 3D forum I posted a topic containing my theory of the Final Boss of KH3. However, I discontinued that topic for several reasons:

 

1) - The title "IDEA for KH3 Final Boss" implied that I wanted people to hear MY theory while selfishly ignoring other theories. I should've made an impartial title welcoming ALL theories.

 

2) - It's dead regardless of what I do.

 

3) - It would've fit better in this forum instead.

 

So, anyway, this is where you discuss who/what should be the Final Boss(es). Be sure to place your theories in spoiler tags; after all, it IS more dramatic that way.

 

Such as the theory I've already posted in that earlier topic:

 

 

  SPOILERS: Click to reveal

I believe that simply having Xehanort as the Final Boss of KH3 would be too obvious and bland. He should be the semi-final Boss instead (like Barthandelus from FF13). Here's who I think should be the TRUE Final Boss of KH3:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aqua.

 

It makes sense, if you think about it. All the other main characters have been Bosses at some point in the series (whether via possession, corruption, or just insanity). However, Aqua has been "pure" all the way through; her Heart hasn't even been tampered with once! KH3 is where I think she'll finally "snap," and here's how:

 

At the Keyblade Graveyard, after the heroes (including everyone who needed "saving") defeat the New Organization, only MX remains. After a Boss Battle or two with him, he'll be severely weakened and try to make one last break for Kingdom Hearts. However, Aqua cuts him off and takes it for herself instead. She reveals that ever since she escaped the Realm Of Darkness she has been planning to take the power of Kingdom Hearts for two purposes: to rid the universe of the very Darkness that devastated her and her friends, and to transform all worlds back into the "Original World (the Light-world Kairi's Grandmother spoke about)." She also thanks the shocked Xehanort for doing all the work for her, and gives him his "reward": stabbing him with her Keyblade and forcibly filling his Heart with Light in order to erase his Darkness. His Heart, having been almost nothing BUT Darkness, cannot survive and fades from existence completely. She then destroys Xehanort's body as well before it can regrow another Heart. Her friends, shocked, demand to know what has gotten into her, but Aqua says that she is merely fulfilling her duty as Eraqus' successor: namely, protecting the Light at all costs. Aqua explains her belief that Darkness will never stop trying to consume Light, so Light should finally "strike back" and eliminate the Darkness instead. Using the combined power of both Kingdom Hearts and the Graveyard's Keyblades, she will force Darkness out of every heart and world until the entire universe is "absolute (pure Light)," as it was ages ago in the Original World. Then, she will "watch over" this new "Absolute World" as its Goddess to ensure that Darkness never exists again. Her manipulation and brutal killing of Xehanort was simply karma, as she claims, for the way he worshipped the Darkness, betrayed the Light, and devastated her, her "brothers," and Master Eraqus. Sora & Co., alarmed and outraged at Aqua's revelation, tell her that Darkness is NOT evil like she thinks, and that all she'll be doing is destroying the balance of the worlds. Aqua refuses to listen, demanding to know why, if Darkness isn't evil, has it only created "monsters" like Xehanort and ruined good people like her, Terra, and Ven, while Light has only created "heroes and princesses?" Aqua then declares that Xehanort's Darkness "started this tragedy," while her Light will "end it forever." Unable to talk her down, the heroes declare that they'll have no choice but to stop her, and the first Boss Battle with Aqua begins.

 

To be continued....

 

 

So wait...

 

Sora was a boss in Re:CoM, but it was only Zexion. Where was he a real boss? (To prove your point, does Roxas/Xion count as him?)

Terra was a secret boss and technically his body as the final boss for BbS.

Ven was a boss, but controlled by Vanitas in BbS and his Armor was a boss in 3D.

Riku a boss in a whole bunch of places.

Kairi, never a boss.

Namine, never a boss.

Xion, final boss for Days.

Roxas, final boss for Coded and boss in KH2:FM.

Mickey, never a boss.

Donald, never a boss.

Goofy, never a boss.

Axel was a boss in KH2.

Lea, his real persona was never.

Eraqus was also a boss in BbS.

Yen Sid, never a boss.

 

Where's your point? Mickey, Donald, and Goofy are main characters also.

Edited April 8, 2012 by StrongHeart

[Heike 53]

I have to admit that you're theory has foundamental basis but I can't think of having to figh Aqua and her being the bad. She know from her Matser that Light and Darkness should be balanced so this whole theory looks to me way too crazy (And Nomura wants such things so it might be true but we cannot know until the game is released)

[Smithee 327]

  On 4/8/2012 at 5:56 AM, 'StrongHeart' said:

So wait...

 

Sora was a boss in Re:CoM, but it was only Zexion. Where was he a real boss? (To prove your point, does Roxas/Xion count as him?)

Terra was a secret boss and technically his body as the final boss for BbS.

Ven was a boss, but controlled by Vanitas in BbS and his Armor was a boss in 3D.

Riku a boss in a whole bunch of places.

Kairi, never a boss.

Namine, never a boss.

Xion, final boss for Days.

Roxas, final boss for Coded and boss in KH2:FM.

Mickey, never a boss.

Donald, never a boss.

Goofy, never a boss.

Axel was a boss in KH2.

Lea, his real persona was never.

Eraqus was also a boss in BbS.

Yen Sid, never a boss.

 

Where's your point? Mickey, Donald, and Goofy are main characters also.

 

I should've worded that differently. By "main characters," I meant playable, series-original characters. Think about every ORIGINAL character who has ever been playable in a Kingdom Hearts game. At some point in the series, each one of them has also served as a Boss, all except for one (guess who?).

 

 

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That's right: AQUA!!!!

 

By the way, regarding Sora, you do know that Nightmare Armor Sora is the Final Boss of Dream Drop Distance, right?

 

 

  On 4/8/2012 at 5:16 PM, 'IiISoRaIiI' said:

I have to admit that you're theory has foundamental basis but I can't think of having to figh Aqua and her being the bad. She know from her Matser that Light and Darkness should be balanced so this whole theory looks to me way too crazy (And Nomura wants such things so it might be true but we cannot know until the game is released)

 

Yes, but think about all her experiences with Darkness: dangerous demonic creatures, a destroyed homeworld, lost friends and Master, imprisonment in a Darkness-based alternate dimension that BY NATURE seems want her dead. Also, in BBS she DID overhear Kairi's Grandmother tell the story of a past Light-only paradise that was brought down by Darkness. Combine that with her strongly Light-based upbringing, as well as the inevitable shock in KH3 of learning that Darkness-wielding Xehanort got away and that she and her friends seemingly sacrificed themselves for nothing, then the idea that she might finally "snap" might not be that implausible.

 

She will thus believe that Darkness itself is the imbalance between worlds, and will refer to the "Original World" as "proof" that Light was absolute all along. 1-Upping Xehanort would just be a karmic bonus.

 

The fight itself would be much like Roxas Vs. Xion or Terra Vs. Eraqus: tragic, but seemingly without any other choice.

 

Besides, I'm tired of "RAWR DARKNESS!!!" antagonists. I want a new Light-based antagonist who actually wants to change things for the better, but is misguided in his/her methods.

Edited April 8, 2012 by Alan Smithee

[Skai 3,961]

  On 4/8/2012 at 11:22 PM, 'Alan Smithee' said:

 

Wrong again,

Lea, the real persona hasn't been one lmao... but he hasn't been playable so yea..

 

But I get your point.

 

Where has Sora been a boss?

 

I do know of the 3D boss but that is Ven's Armor doe. Can you really count that as Sora?

Edited April 9, 2012 by StrongHeart

[Heike 53]

  On 4/8/2012 at 11:22 PM, 'Alan Smithee' said:

Yes, but think about all her experiences with Darkness: dangerous demonic creatures, a destroyed homeworld, lost friends and Master, imprisonment in a Darkness-based alternate dimension that BY NATURE seems want her dead. Also, in BBS she DID overhear Kairi's Grandmother tell the story of a past Light-only paradise that was brought down by Darkness. Combine that with her strongly Light-based upbringing, as well as the inevitable shock in KH3 of learning that Darkness-wielding Xehanort got away and that she and her friends seemingly sacrificed themselves for nothing, then the idea that she might finally "snap" might not be that implausible.

 

She will thus believe that Darkness itself is the imbalance between worlds, and will refer to the "Original World" as "proof" that Light was absolute all along. 1-Upping Xehanort would just be a karmic bonus.

 

The fight itself would be much like Roxas Vs. Xion or Terra Vs. Eraqus: tragic, but seemingly without any other choice.

 

Besides, I'm tired of "RAWR DARKNESS!!!" antagonists. I want a new Light-based antagonist who actually wants to change things for the better, but is misguided in his/her methods.

 

True. Now that i read about the Roxas vs Xion fight I felt so bad. I faught once my then favorite char (Xion now is No2) not again I can't do it. Aqua is my favorite I can't stand facing her in the final game of the Xehanort saga. I just can't. Fighting Xion was really hard for me. I have faught her only once and don't intend to fight her again. That's what will happen if Aqua is the final Boss I'll just not fight her. I will give the game to friend so he can fight her instead of me. I know it's really upsurd but I just can't think about fighting her. It is heartbreaking. WOW I became very Dramatic LOL!!!

Edited April 9, 2012 by IiISoRaIiI

[Avis Praeda 9]

I don't think Aqua would do such a thing. Watch the cutscene:

She was told not to fight darkness with light. And fighting her... She's one of my favourite characters - I would really feel bad about that

[Smithee 327]

  On 4/9/2012 at 8:50 PM, 'Avis Praeda' said:

I don't think Aqua would do such a thing. Watch the cutscene:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy7YFP5XayI

She was told not to fight darkness with light. And fighting her... She's one of my favourite characters - I would really feel bad about that

 

She's "snapped," remember? Any memories of warnings against disrupting the balance will be overshadowed by her paranoia against Darkness. And who could blame her after she has witnessed nothing but negative things resulting from Darkness? In addition, she has Eraqus' Keyblade. Maybe it's symbolic of her inheriting his hatred of Darkness as well, what with being his successor and all. Oh, and he did tell her in one early BBS cutscene that he wishes "we were rid of it (Darkness in people's/worlds' Hearts)." You have to wonder if she took it to heart (pun heavily, HEAVILY intended).

 

In short, she now believes (in my scenario) that Light has been too limited by fear of disrupting "balance," whereas Darkness has seemingly had no problems overstepping boundaries.

 

 

By the way, people have ALWAYS used Light to fight off Darkness in KH. I think the Fairy Godmother just meant that Aqua shouldn't go in there slinging a Keyblade at A BUNCH OF ARISTOCRATS SIMPLY TRYING ON A SLIPPER. That'd just be awesome.

 

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Edited April 10, 2012 by Alan Smithee