KH3D [Possible Spoilers] Deep analysis of cliffhangers for the future

[Ursalink 114]

I start this other new topic to talk about several cliffhangers that I found through several parts of Kingdom Hearts saga. I'll try to be clear so everyone can understand me:

 

1º) The New Organization XIII: Let's see if I understand this. Through the Realm of Sleeping, Xehanort and his other "selves" gathered from different times and places, right? (I guess there are few rules when we talk about the realm of dreams). At the end of that reunion, according to the old Master Xehanort, he and his other selves had to return to their times and places; as that's the rule of time traveling. That means the Xenmas, Ansem SoD, Saix and Xigbar that appeared here must came from a past before Sora and Riku defeated them, right? Well, that would mean that only the old Master Xehanort really exist in the present. However, he mentioned that he would "recreate" all his selves as regular persons; but that's impossible, since Ansem SoD and Xenmas don't exist anymore after being defeated by Sora and Riku. And their original self has been restored in Master Xehanort. Then how can Master Xehanort expect to recreate his different selves as individuals under his control? I have a theory about it:

 

Do you remember the Replica Program? It was a planned series of experiments conducted by Vexen under Xemnas's orders, with some involuntary help of Naminé. He attempted to make Replicas of Keyblade wielders Sora and Riku in case the original Sora proved to be useless to Xemnas's plans for Kingdom Hearts. The Replicas are like "clones" of other persons, and are classified as a special kind of Nobody; "empty vessels without a heart". The first replica created by the program was Xion. However, after Xion's defection and her death by Roxas, Xemnas discontinued the program. In the Secret Reports of Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, it's mentioned another inferior, numberless replica that was taken to Castle Oblivion (Riku Replica). The Secret Reports also reveal the existence of other unused replicas.

 

Well, they said the Replica Program was discontinued, but I wouldn't be so sure. And if there were other unused replicas, what happened to them? I think those unseen Replicas are actually duplicates of the different selves used by Master Xehanort; and since Master Xehanort is now back, he could use them to recreate separately most of his previous selves. I mean, what's the point in trying to steal the bodies of other persons when is easier to create empty vessels in a laboratory without needing to fight those persons to steal their bodies? Don't you think Master Xehanort could realize this is a much easy way to gain his objectives?

 

Therefore, if we talk about who can be the members of the new true Organization XIII, I think we should think about the most powerful and mysterious enemies that the main characters have faced in the past. That means, the "big bad meanies". Let's see:

+ Master Xehanort: Confirmed. The original and present self. He's obviously the leader.

+ Young Xehanort: Confirmed. Possibly a Replica of his young self, with the power of Time.

+ Xenmas: Confirmed. Possibly a Replica of his own Nobody, with the power of Nothing and commander of all the Nobodies.

+ Ansem, SoD: Confirmed. Possibly a Replica of his own Heartless. With the power of Darkness and commander of most of Heartless.

+ Saix: Confirmed. Possibly Isa restored, but still infected by Xehanort's influence. He has the power of Moon and command several Nobodies.

+ Xigbar: Confirmed. Possibly Braig restored, but still infected by Xehanort's influence. He has the power of Space and command several Nobodies.

 

- Terra-Xehanort: A possible Replica of "Terranort" (as called by fans), who was Terra just after being possessed by Master Xehanort's heart; resulting in Terra having silver hair and golden eyes. He was the final boss in Terra's story and the whole "Bith by Sleep", so he's a good choice.

- Vanitas: Possibly the real Vanitas restored, because if light and darkness can't exist without each other, that means Ventus (light) couldn't have survived if Vanitas (darkness) was really destroyed. He's the leader of the Unversed, and Master Xehanort trained him for a long time; so I wouldn't be surprised to see him again in the future.

- Ventus-Vanitas: Possibly a Replica of Vanitas (and by extention, Xehanort) from the time Vanitas merged with Ventus, taking over his body and used the X-Blade against Aqua as the final boss of her side of the story.

** Xehanort: I'm talking about a Replica of "Terranort" when he was just Xehanort, the apprentice of Ansem the Wise; or when he was the young man that said "This world is just too small" at the beginning of "Birth by Sleep". However, I'm not sure if this would be the same Xehanort that "Young Xehanort". Young Xehanort looks to me with the same age of Ventus, while the young Xehanort at the beginning of "Birth by Sleep" looks to me with Terra's age. Do you think they are the same guy? I'm not entirely sure of this one as a possible member, honestly.

 

- Master Eraqus: Possibly a Replica of Keyblade Master who teached Ventus, Aqua and Terra. His strong belief about rejecting the darkness at every level makes difficult to consider him as a vessel for Xehanort. However, Eraqus' believes became an obssession, which created darkness inside of him; as he recognized just before Master Xehanort killed him. And since Eraqus' heart ended inside Terra's (according to the secret ending of BbS), that left Eraqus' bosy empty to use it as a vessel. MX could have done it at the same time he killed Eraqus or even planted some "darkness' seeds" when he hurted Eraqus in the face. Sounds ppossible, don't you think?

- Sora's Heartless: The digital version of this being was the main big villain in "KH: Re Coded". Being originally a facsimile, he evolved to become something more; with the power to control both the Bugs and the digital Heartless. His plan was to enter the real world, and although Data-Sora stopped him, that's something it could have happened. Besides, as far as I know, in Dream Drop Distance, Maleficent and Pete attacked Disney Castle to steal the Digital World in Mickey's computer. I don't know why she wanted, but if she was following Master Xehanort's orders or something, I could be to bring Sora's Heartless to the real world and turn him into one of his vessels. It's a possibility, don't you think?

- Sora's Nightmare: Possibly a Replica of the misterious "Unknown with Red Eyes" that fought Riku before he could save Sora. I don't know who or what exactly this being was, but I think it could fill one place in the new Organization XIII. The new Org XIII seems to gather leaders of all the kinds of enemies faced before: Ansem leads the Heartless, Xenmas and co leads the Nobodies, Vanitas leads the Unversed, Sora's Heartless could leads the Bugs... So they will only need a leader for the Nightmares Dream Eaters. This character seems suitable for that.

- Riku Replica: Possibly a Replica of Riku when he was possessed by Ansem and used the Keyblade of People's Hearts. I thought this could be the one we saw in "Prankster's Paradise", but since it didn't seem to be a real enemy and it didn't have the yellow eyes like all Xehanorts, I doubt it. However, this doesn't mean it can't be another Replica of Riku corrupted around there.

 

I have more cliffhangers to comment, but I'm afraid this one is already too long. I will post the next one as soon as somebody post some replies.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Seem plausible but not sure yet

[Waller-pearson 60]

I start this other new topic to talk about several cliffhangers that I found through several parts of Kingdom Hearts saga. I'll try to be clear so everyone can understand me:

 

1º) The New Organization XIII: Let's see if I understand this. Through the Realm of Sleeping, Xehanort and his other "selves" gathered from different times and places, right? (I guess there are few rules when we talk about the realm of dreams). At the end of that reunion, according to the old Master Xehanort, he and his other selves had to return to their times and places; as that's the rule of time traveling. That means the Xenmas, Ansem SoD, Saix and Xigbar that appeared here must came from a past before Sora and Riku defeated them, right? Well, that would mean that only the old Master Xehanort really exist in the present. However, he mentioned that he would "recreate" all his selves as regular persons; but that's impossible, since Ansem SoD and Xenmas don't exist anymore after being defeated by Sora and Riku. And their original self has been restored in Master Xehanort. Then how can Master Xehanort expect to recreate his different selves as individuals under his control? I have a theory about it:

 

Do you remember the Replica Program? It was a planned series of experiments conducted by Vexen under Xemnas's orders, with some involuntary help of Naminé. He attempted to make Replicas of Keyblade wielders Sora and Riku in case the original Sora proved to be useless to Xemnas's plans for Kingdom Hearts. The Replicas are like "clones" of other persons, and are classified as a special kind of Nobody; "empty vessels without a heart". The first replica created by the program was Xion. However, after Xion's defection and her death by Roxas, Xemnas discontinued the program. In the Secret Reports of Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, it's mentioned another inferior, numberless replica that was taken to Castle Oblivion (Riku Replica). The Secret Reports also reveal the existence of other unused replicas.

 

Well, they said the Replica Program was discontinued, but I wouldn't be so sure. And if there were other unused replicas, what happened to them? I think those unseen Replicas are actually duplicates of the different selves used by Master Xehanort; and since Master Xehanort is now back, he could use them to recreate separately most of his previous selves. I mean, what's the point in trying to steal the bodies of other persons when is easier to create empty vessels in a laboratory without needing to fight those persons to steal their bodies? Don't you think Master Xehanort could realize this is a much easy way to gain his objectives?

 

Therefore, if we talk about who can be the members of the new true Organization XIII, I think we should think about the most powerful and mysterious enemies that the main characters have faced in the past. That means, the "big bad meanies". Let's see:

+ Master Xehanort: Confirmed. The original and present self. He's obviously the leader.

+ Young Xehanort: Confirmed. Possibly a Replica of his young self, with the power of Time.

+ Xenmas: Confirmed. Possibly a Replica of his own Nobody, with the power of Nothing and commander of all the Nobodies.

+ Ansem, SoD: Confirmed. Possibly a Replica of his own Heartless. With the power of Darkness and commander of most of Heartless.

+ Saix: Confirmed. Possibly Isa restored, but still infected by Xehanort's influence. He has the power of Moon and command several Nobodies.

+ Xigbar: Confirmed. Possibly Braig restored, but still infected by Xehanort's influence. He has the power of Space and command several Nobodies.

 

- Terra-Xehanort: A possible Replica of "Terranort" (as called by fans), who was Terra just after being possessed by Master Xehanort's heart; resulting in Terra having silver hair and golden eyes. He was the final boss in Terra's story and the whole "Bith by Sleep", so he's a good choice.

- Vanitas: Possibly the real Vanitas restored, because if light and darkness can't exist without each other, that means Ventus (light) couldn't have survived if Vanitas (darkness) was really destroyed. He's the leader of the Unversed, and Master Xehanort trained him for a long time; so I wouldn't be surprised to see him again in the future.

- Ventus-Vanitas: Possibly a Replica of Vanitas (and by extention, Xehanort) from the time Vanitas merged with Ventus, taking over his body and used the X-Blade against Aqua as the final boss of her side of the story.

** Xehanort: I'm talking about a Replica of "Terranort" when he was just Xehanort, the apprentice of Ansem the Wise; or when he was the young man that said "This world is just too small" at the beginning of "Birth by Sleep". However, I'm not sure if this would be the same Xehanort that "Young Xehanort". Young Xehanort looks to me with the same age of Ventus, while the young Xehanort at the beginning of "Birth by Sleep" looks to me with Terra's age. Do you think they are the same guy? I'm not entirely sure of this one as a possible member, honestly.

 

- Master Eraqus: Possibly a Replica of Keyblade Master who teached Ventus, Aqua and Terra. His strong belief about rejecting the darkness at every level makes difficult to consider him as a vessel for Xehanort. However, Eraqus' believes became an obssession, which created darkness inside of him; as he recognized just before Master Xehanort killed him. And since Eraqus' heart ended inside Terra's (according to the secret ending of BbS), that left Eraqus' bosy empty to use it as a vessel. MX could have done it at the same time he killed Eraqus or even planted some "darkness' seeds" when he hurted Eraqus in the face. Sounds ppossible, don't you think?

- Sora's Heartless: The digital version of this being was the main big villain in "KH: Re Coded". Being originally a facsimile, he evolved to become something more; with the power to control both the Bugs and the digital Heartless. His plan was to enter the real world, and although Data-Sora stopped him, that's something it could have happened. Besides, as far as I know, in Dream Drop Distance, Maleficent and Pete attacked Disney Castle to steal the Digital World in Mickey's computer. I don't know why she wanted, but if she was following Master Xehanort's orders or something, I could be to bring Sora's Heartless to the real world and turn him into one of his vessels. It's a possibility, don't you think?

- Sora's Nightmare: Possibly a Replica of the misterious "Unknown with Red Eyes" that fought Riku before he could save Sora. I don't know who or what exactly this being was, but I think it could fill one place in the new Organization XIII. The new Org XIII seems to gather leaders of all the kinds of enemies faced before: Ansem leads the Heartless, Xenmas and co leads the Nobodies, Vanitas leads the Unversed, Sora's Heartless could leads the Bugs... So they will only need a leader for the Nightmares Dream Eaters. This character seems suitable for that.

- Riku Replica: Possibly a Replica of Riku when he was possessed by Ansem and used the Keyblade of People's Hearts. I thought this could be the one we saw in "Prankster's Paradise", but since it didn't seem to be a real enemy and it didn't have the yellow eyes like all Xehanorts, I doubt it. However, this doesn't mean it can't be another Replica of Riku corrupted around there.

 

I have more cliffhangers to comment, but I'm afraid this one is already too long. I will post the next one as soon as somebody post some replies.

 

seems legit, but you know nomura, he'll just leave us with more questions, he said kh3d would answer lots of questions, but it just left us with more , haha *slaps knee*

[Remains of Old 117]

Not bad, not bad at all. Like Waller said, Nomura's a great troll, he says : Hey guys, need answers? Here, take this!

And for every answer we get, 2 more questions pops out.

[Ursalink 114]

OK, since I have already talked about the 13 Darknesses, now I'm going to talk about the Seven Lights that will face them and the Seven Hearts of pure light. There's going to be several points around this matter:

 

1º) 7 Lights vs 13 Darknesses: I don't find this fair, you know? Why the good guys must be always find theirselves trapped in numeric inferiority? If they all end clashing each other in the Keyblade Graveyard, as Master Xehanort pretend, this means each hero will have to fight two ridiculously powerful enemies at the same time? I don't find this fair at all; fighting two villains at the same time while you protect a damsel in distress. I have a theory about something more interesting to happen. Do you remember when Kairi's heart ended inside Sora at the beginning of the first videogame? I think something like that could happen again with all the Princesses of Heart. Seeing that the heroes can't fight and protect them at the same time in numeric inferiority, the Princess could decide to use their power to increase the one from the heroes. Then, just like Kairi did with Sora, they will take refuge inside another 7 heroes; increasing the powers of the other 7 heroes to fight, allowing the Seven Lights not to worry so much about them, and allowing the own Princesses to take part of the fight. (The whole stuff of damsel in distress is getting really old and lame nowadays, even for Disney). There's two ways that I see this happening:

 

On one hand, since most of the Princesses of Heart are Disney's Princesses at the same time, they could give their power and be safe inside the bodies of 7 Disney Heroes. Most of them would be the same heroes that the Princesses love; and as an amazing bonus, they could use Keyblades based on the Princesses' worlds or the heroes' worlds. Most of them have been also team partners for Sora in previous adventures. Check this:

+ Kairi would be safe inside Sora, just like the last time. However, since it seems she's going to be trained as a Keyblade Wielder too (according to the Secret Ending in KH:3D), I doubt she will need so much protection again. So this one doesn't count.

+ Belle would be obviously protected inside the Beast, and even although the curse was broken at the end of KH-II, the Beast would recover his form in order to use it as his power to fight and protect what he really loves (Belle). It's hard to imagine the Beast using a Keyblade, but anything can happen, right? His Keyblade could be Rumbling Rose (as it has a design with some features from the Beast) and/or Divine Rose.

+ Jasmine would be safe inside Aladdin, an easy one to predict. In the games, Aladdin use to hold a simple scimitar as a weapon; so it would be easy for him to use a Keyblade. His Keyblade's would be ones you gained from his world: Wishing Lamp (KH-II) and Three Wishes (KH-I).

+ Aurora would be protected inside Prince Phillip, another one easy to choose and he was a team partner for Aqua in "Birth by Sleep". Prince Phillip weapons use to be the Sword of Truth and the Shield of Virtue, but I guess he could also use the keyblade of his world, Fairy Stars.

+ Alice would be protected inside Peter Pan. Even although they are from different worlds, the similarities between Wendy and Alice (besides both of them having the same apparent age of Peter) makes this possibility suitable. Peter could use either the Keyblades from Neverland (Fairy Harp and/or Pixie Petal) or the one from Wonderland (Lady Luck).

+ Cinderella could be protected inside Hercules. I know, this is a strange combination and they are not from the same world either, but I couldn't find a better option. Maybe we could say Cinderella is the most fragile of the Princesses (maybe because of her glass slippers) and she needs the strongest hero (Hercules) to protect her. Hercules could use all the Keyblades from Olympus (Mark of a Hero, Olympia or Hero's Crest) and/or the one from Cinderella's world (Stroke of Midnight).

+ Finally, Snow White could be protected inside Snow White. I don't find any explanation for this combination, except maybe I'm unconscionably influenced by the new future movie "Snow White and the Huntsman"; where Show White's character is represented as a princess in a war, something similar to Mulan, I guess. Mulan could use the Keyblade of his world (Hidden Dragon) or from Snow White's world (Treasure Trove).

 

I have another alternative for the Seven Hearts of pure light to join the battle. Instead of being inside Disney's heroes, the Princess of Hearts could use their power to free other Keyblade heroes and take refuge inside of them. Then, when the fight is over, the Princess allow them to stay as individuals with their power. What am I talking about? Well, if the Seven Lights are Keyblade Wielders (Sora, Riku, Kairi, Ventus, Terra, Aqua and Mickey), the heroes used by the Princesses of Heart would be the Keyblade Wielders with some kind of "problem":

+ Roxas: He's trapped inside Sora as his Nobody, and in KH:3D, Sora expressed his desire of Roxas being able to live by himself without Sora. That's a good choice.

+ Xion: Just like Roxas, she's also trapped inside Sora. One of the Princess could grant her a body to exist as a real individual, not just a copy, in exchange for letting the Princess stay inside of her until the 13 Darknesses are defeated.

+ Axel: Well, actually, he doesn't have a big problem like the other ones. However, the power of one of the Princesses of Heart could grant him an increased power and a better knowledge about how to use the Keyblade now. I'm thinking he could even be restored as his old teen self, the one we saw in "Birth by Sleep"; possibly thanks to the youngest Princess, Alice.

+ Namine: She's Kairi's Nobody, and if Kairi can use the Keyblade, by extension, I guess Namine could use it too. Being the Nobody of one Princess of Heart could link her to their power, which could allow her to exist aside from Kairi. And at the same time, she could protect another of the Princess. She could protect Jasmine, as she's as much heroine as princess in Aladdin's series.

+ Riku Replica: I mentioned in another topic the possibility of the guy Riku saw in Prankster's Paradise who looked just like him was actually "Repliku", who could have faked his death back in "KH:CoM" using the power of illusion he stole from Zexion, when Repliku absorved him. If Riku could overcome his inner darkness and gain the power of a Keyblade, I guess this guy could too. With the power to protect one of the Princesses of Heart, he could finally have a different life aside from Riku, and have his own personality.

+ Data Sora: Unlike Riku Replica, this digital copy of Sora (from KH: Re Coded) doesn't seem to care about the fact that he's a copy. He's just like Sora in the first game, and since his enemy (Sora's Heartless digital copy) tried to escape into the real world, I guess there must be a way for him to do the same. He could fit perfectly as the last hero to protect one of the Seven Hearts of pure light, and gain his own existence after that.

 

And so, with 14 lights (7 Hearts of pure light inside 7 heroes AND 7 Light's protectors) vs 13 darkness, that would be a more fair fight. I guess two of the heroes would fight against the leader of the Darknesses (Master Xehanort), since he's the most powerful of all.

 

Again, this is a way too long post, so I will wait for a few replies and opinions before sending my next analysis.

Edited April 5, 2012 by Ursalink

[scrawlx101 1]

who are the 7 lights?

[Lisaralin 3]

Interesting theories, especially the Replica bit. However..

 

The Secret Reports also reveal the existence of other unused replicas.

Really? I don't remember any mention to other Replicas, and I've read the Secret Reports several times (I've copied them all for my Italian KH forum, so I know them well ). Still, it would be interesting if it were true.

 

Well, they said the Replica Program was discontinued, but I wouldn't be so sure.

It was. In 358/2 Days Xemnas says that they stopped the project after Vexen's death (and not Xion's). It appears that they were not able to continue the experiments without him.

[Skai 3,961]

Ehh I find that if we talk about it too much and the game is released, we tend to be wrong.

 

You expect him to throw the baseball straight.

 

Then realize it's Nomura so you think he will throw a curveball.

 

But nope. What does he do?

 

Throws a football.

 

You didn't see that coming did you?

[Ursalink 114]

Let's continue, this time, I will talk about shorter matters but yet interesting points to notice around the mysteries about the Universe of Kingdom Hearts. Let's see:

 

1º) Namine and Kairi: There's something weird about these girls and I suspect there's still one mystery around them. As far as I know, when somebody is turned into a Heartless and a Nobody, the Nobody can keep the exact physical appearance of his original self if it's strong enough and it has enough willpower. This rule change in cases of people who can have more that one heart inside of him/herself. Sora is the perfect example, because since he had Ventus' heart inside of him when he became a Heartless, his Nobody (Roxas) ended looking like Ventus. I think the exact thing can work with Xehanort "the apprentice", since his Nobody (Xenmas) had features of both Master Xehanort and Terra, because he had both hearts inside of him when it happened. With all this, it's hard for me to understand why Namine, who is Kairi's Nobody, looks like so different of Kairi herself. I'm suspecting that, just like Sora, Kairi is actually holding two hearts inside of herself. In fact, I suspect Namine is actually the real Princess of Heart around here; who lost her heart by some reason (like Ventus) and ended finding refuge merging herself with Kairi when she was a kid. That's would explain why Namine is so different from Kairi, just like Roxas is so different from Sora. An interesting point, don't you think?

 

2º) Larxene, Demyx, Luxord and Marluxia: We have already discovered several things about most of the members of the first Organization XIII before they became Nobodies. However, we still have no idea about where or when these 4 members came from. I think before "Kingdom Hearts III", they should give use the rumored "Birth by Sleep Volume 2"; to explain us, between the origins of other things, where these guys came from. I suspect they could hide something more than meets the eye, and they could be indeed more important for the future of Kingdom Hearts. The best thing I can do by myself is trying to figure out the real names of these guys. Larxene could be Elenar (similar to Elena), Demyx could be Emyd, Luxord could be Rudol (similar to Rudolph) and Marluxia could be Lumaria/Marialu. I'm very interested in discovering how these guys entered in the story.

 

3º) The 7 Lights: Mickey already said who would be the 7 Lights that will protect the Seven Hearts of Pure Light against the 13 Darknesses. He counted the three still missing (Ventus, Aqua and Terra), Riku, Sora and himself. And when he said they would need one more protector, Riku took Kairi to the Mysterious Tower by Yen Sid's order. This means that, in order to be prepared against Master Xehanort and his other selves, their next step would have to be the rescue of Aqua, Ventus and Terra. The first one should be Aqua, since technically she would be the easier one. They will only have to open a door to the Realm of Darkness, just like Kairi's letter did at the end of KH-II and take her from there. Once Aqua is rescued, they could find Ventus' body in the Castle of Oblivion; as Nomura said, only Aqua could find Ventus without losing her memories. Once his body is founded, they will find a way to remove Ventus' heart from Sora and put it back to his body. With Aqua and Ventus rescued, they could follow their bonds to Terra to finally find him and restore him. It would possibly through his "ghost" in the Lingering Will. I just realized that there's a pattern to assure who will be the 7 Lights. You see, they are the Keyblade's Hero Trinity from the past (Ventus, Terra and Aqua), the Keyblade's Hero Trinity from the present (Sora, Riku and Kairi) and the Keyblade's Hero who connects them all and met all of them (Mickey). Plus, the Trinity from the past met three of the Princesses in their worlds (Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora), the Trinity from the present met other three Princesses in their worlds (Alice, Jasmine and Belle) and there was a Princess present both in the past and the present (Kairi).

 

4º) Keyblade's armors: Do you remember that part where Ventus' heart protected Sora from being corrupted, suiting him with his armor? That makes me think the old Trinity's armors are going to be an important piece to rescue them. Terra's armor conserved something of his mind inside itself, which created the Lingering Will. Aqua's armor seemed to do the same but with less influence, that why Xenmas (following the memories of Terra) visited the armor to talk to it; and some times, the armor apparently responded. I was just thinking, what would it happen if the old Trinity's armors find the new Trinity? For example, while they register Ansem's laboratory, Lea and the others find the secret chambers; where they find Aqua's armor. Find it weird, Lea take the armor to the Mysterious Tower, where Yen Sid has started to train Kairi as Keyblade Wielder. Everybody is surprised by the discovery, and something in the armor attracts Kairi's attention. Then, when Kairi touches, the armor dress Kairi up; creating some kind of "mental link" to Aqua to now where exactly she is or something. It would cool seeing Sora, Riku and Kairi using Ventus, Terra and Aqua's armors. Don't tell me you don't find this interesting!

 

5º) Sora as a Keyblade Wielder: I have read in some topic of these forums about Sora not being a real Keyblade bearer because of what Master Xehanort and Xigbar said in some cutscenes. Well, that's a stupid idea!! Sora has been connected to the Keyblade since the same moment he born, at first because of his link with Ventus' damaged heart. Then, when Sora just had 4 years old, Ventus' heart merged with him to avoid ending trapped into slumber. 10 years after that, Sora's adventures with the Keyblade started. In all that time Ventus' heart was inside Sora, it's obvious that Ventus influenced Sora's growth into a teenager; making Sora's personality and identity being really similar to Ventus'. The fact of Sora having a Trinity of friends just like Ventus (Ventus had Terra and Aqua, while Sora had Riku and Kairi), also helped to develop Sora's personality in the same direction of Ventus'. I'm not exactly was makes you worthy of using the Keyblade, but it has to be something related with the kind of person you are. Even if now they remove Ventus' heart from Sora, he will still be the kind of person he's now; so there's no reason to think that he will lost the power of the Keyblade, he's completely worthy of it. It's tipical is some adventures of this kind, where the "chosen ones" prove to be worthy of the power when they precisely show no interest in it. And just like Sora says "I don't need a weapon, my friends are my power". It's very clear to me.

 

6º) Sora as the 13th Darknesses: Well, that was a very stupid idea from Master Xehanort, trying to turn Sora into his 13th vessel. I mean, they said Sora don't have any resistance against the darkness like the one Riku acquired after so much time exposed to it. However, Sora has indeed proven to be able to resist the darkness in the past. In the first game, he turned himself into a Heartless to free Kairi's heart; and even after falling in the darkness and becoming a Heartless, Sora kept his mind until Kairi restored his human form. In KH:CoM, Marluxia and co tried to brainwashed Sora to make them their tool; but their plan backfired and Sora resisted their dark plans, until he was able to defeat Marluxia and the others. And in KH-II, after being overflowed by Heartless in Hollow Bation, Sora, Donald and Goofy ended trapped in something that seemed the Dark Realm. However, thanks to Roxas' blue crystal, they escaped. Also in KH-II, once defeated Xenmas, Sora and Riku seemed to be trapped in the Dark Meridian, until Kairi's letter opened them a door back to their home. I have a theory about maybe his love for Kairi, and the time her heart was inside Sora, created some kind of "protective link" between their hearts; which means, since Kairi can't be corrupted by darkness and her heart is connected to Sora's, that grants Sora a strong defense against the corrption of darkness too. And even if Master Xehanort had managed to insert a part of his heart inside Sora, it would have been expeled from him because there are already three persons inside Sora who protect him from the inside: Ventus, Xion and Roxas. This proves Sora can't be corrupted by darkness so easily, and he has natural defenses against it. Therefore, Master Xehanort's intent of corrupting Sora would have been a failure. So I don't see why you have doubts about Sora's role now.

 

Well, I hope you post more opinions about these last theories, please.

[deathrebirthsenshi 279]

Interesting theories, especially the Replica bit. However..

 

 

Really? I don't remember any mention to other Replicas, and I've read the Secret Reports several times (I've copied them all for my Italian KH forum, so I know them well ). Still, it would be interesting if it were true.

 

 

It was. In 358/2 Days Xemnas says that they stopped the project after Vexen's death (and not Xion's). It appears that they were not able to continue the experiments without him.

 

In one of them, Saix mentions that they should destroy Xion and use the next replica, saying that she is among the initial batch--this implies that they have other in store. Fill them up with memories of Xehanort's other forms and, from what we've seen from Xion, we could end up having almost real Xehanorts...

[Mina Del Rio 39]

I get the feeling these Org. datas we got on KH 2 FM have some other function than being annoying secret bosses http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-neutral.png

[XIIISwords 1,059]

My comments in GREEN

 

 

3º) The 7 Lights: Mickey already said who would be the 7 Lights that will protect the Seven Hearts of Pure Light against the 13 Darknesses. He counted the three still missing (Ventus, Aqua and Terra), Riku, Sora and himself. And when he said they would need one more protector, Riku took Kairi to the Mysterious Tower by Yen Sid's order. This means that, in order to be prepared against Master Xehanort and his other selves, their next step would have to be the rescue of Aqua, Ventus and Terra. The first one should be Aqua, since technically she would be the easier one. They will only have to open a door to the Realm of Darkness, just like Kairi's letter did at the end of KH-II and take her from there. Once Aqua is rescued, they could find Ventus' body in the Castle of Oblivion; as Nomura said, only Aqua could find Ventus without losing her memories. Once his body is founded, they will find a way to remove Ventus' heart from Sora and put it back to his body. With Aqua and Ventus rescued, they could follow their bonds to Terra to finally find him and restore him. It would possibly through his "ghost" in the Lingering Will. I just realized that there's a pattern to assure who will be the 7 Lights. You see, they are the Keyblade's Hero Trinity from the past (Ventus, Terra and Aqua), the Keyblade's Hero Trinity from the present (Sora, Riku and Kairi) and the Keyblade's Hero who connects them all and met all of them (Mickey). Plus, the Trinity from the past met three of the Princesses in their worlds (Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora), the Trinity from the present met other three Princesses in their worlds (Alice, Jasmine and Belle) and there was a Princess present both in the past and the present (Kairi).

 

I like your explanation here. I personally like Roxas for the seventh light (b/c he can come back like you previously stated), simply because I don't think Kairi should pull double duty as Princess and Protector.

 

4º) Keyblade's armors: Do you remember that part where Ventus' heart protected Sora from being corrupted, suiting him with his armor? That makes me think the old Trinity's armors are going to be an important piece to rescue them. Terra's armor conserved something of his mind inside itself, which created the Lingering Will. Aqua's armor seemed to do the same but with less influence, that why Xenmas (following the memories of Terra) visited the armor to talk to it; and some times, the armor apparently responded. I was just thinking, what would it happen if the old Trinity's armors find the new Trinity? For example, while they register Ansem's laboratory, Lea and the others find the secret chambers; where they find Aqua's armor. Find it weird, Lea take the armor to the Mysterious Tower, where Yen Sid has started to train Kairi as Keyblade Wielder. Everybody is surprised by the discovery, and something in the armor attracts Kairi's attention. Then, when Kairi touches, the armor dress Kairi up; creating some kind of "mental link" to Aqua to now where exactly she is or something. It would cool seeing Sora, Riku and Kairi using Ventus, Terra and Aqua's armors. Don't tell me you don't find this interesting!

 

I like this a lot. But what if SKR got their own Keyblade armor too, and different colours? But I do love the idea about the armor. Imagine Mickey in armor!!!!

 

5º) Sora as a Keyblade Wielder: I have read in some topic of these forums about Sora not being a real Keyblade bearer because of what Master Xehanort and Xigbar said in some cutscenes. Well, that's a stupid idea!! Sora has been connected to the Keyblade since the same moment he born, at first because of his link with Ventus' damaged heart. Then, when Sora just had 4 years old, Ventus' heart merged with him to avoid ending trapped into slumber. 10 years after that, Sora's adventures with the Keyblade started. In all that time Ventus' heart was inside Sora, it's obvious that Ventus influenced Sora's growth into a teenager; making Sora's personality and identity being really similar to Ventus'. The fact of Sora having a Trinity of friends just like Ventus (Ventus had Terra and Aqua, while Sora had Riku and Kairi), also helped to develop Sora's personality in the same direction of Ventus'. I'm not exactly was makes you worthy of using the Keyblade, but it has to be something related with the kind of person you are. Even if now they remove Ventus' heart from Sora, he will still be the kind of person he's now; so there's no reason to think that he will lost the power of the Keyblade, he's completely worthy of it. It's tipical is some adventures of this kind, where the "chosen ones" prove to be worthy of the power when they precisely show no interest in it. And just like Sora says "I don't need a weapon, my friends are my power". It's very clear to me.

 

GOOD! This has to be true.

 

6º) Sora as the 13th Darknesses: Well, that was a very stupid idea from Master Xehanort, trying to turn Sora into his 13th vessel. I mean, they said Sora don't have any resistance against the darkness like the one Riku acquired after so much time exposed to it. However, Sora has indeed proven to be able to resist the darkness in the past. In the first game, he turned himself into a Heartless to free Kairi's heart; and even after falling in the darkness and becoming a Heartless, Sora kept his mind until Kairi restored his human form. In KH:CoM, Marluxia and co tried to brainwashed Sora to make them their tool; but their plan backfired and Sora resisted their dark plans, until he was able to defeat Marluxia and the others. And in KH-II, after being overflowed by Heartless in Hollow Bation, Sora, Donald and Goofy ended trapped in something that seemed the Dark Realm. However, thanks to Roxas' blue crystal, they escaped. Also in KH-II, once defeated Xenmas, Sora and Riku seemed to be trapped in the Dark Meridian, until Kairi's letter opened them a door back to their home. I have a theory about maybe his love for Kairi, and the time her heart was inside Sora, created some kind of "protective link" between their hearts; which means, since Kairi can't be corrupted by darkness and her heart is connected to Sora's, that grants Sora a strong defense against the corrption of darkness too. And even if Master Xehanort had managed to insert a part of his heart inside Sora, it would have been expeled from him because there are already three persons inside Sora who protect him from the inside: Ventus, Xion and Roxas. This proves Sora can't be corrupted by darkness so easily, and he has natural defenses against it. Therefore, Master Xehanort's intent of corrupting Sora would have been a failure. So I don't see why you have doubts about Sora's role now.

 

Why couldn't Xehanort choose someone weak, like Pence?

 

 

[Ursalink 114]

I expected a little more of interest about all the stuff I have written. Let's see if what I bring you now had a little more interest. I found a place where they have translated the whole dialogues of the game from when Sora and Riku arrives to "The World That Never Was" until the last scene of the official ending. (Secret Ending not included). And I have realized a lot of creepy and interesting things thanks to them. Unfortunately, I couldn't read them completely before someone erase them, but here's what I found:

 

1º) It's hard to understand this but, it seems Sora was walking in a dream and Riku was walking in a dream inside Sora's dream. (Dude!, my brain hurts). That's why Riku had the Spirit Dream Eater's symbol in his back; he was acting like a Spirit inside Sora's dream to protect him. Then, after defeating Ansem SoD by the second time, Riku exits from Sora's dream and starts walking in the same dream where Sora was.

 

2º) The enemy with a black coat and red eyes that Riku fights is called "Anti Black Coat" in the journal/Reports section of the game. His discription is "A Nightmare wrapped in a black coat". Vanitas' appearance prior to Ventus's connection with Sora was that of a humanoid creature similar to a Heartless but with red eyes. By the look of this "Anti Black Coat", there are rumors of a chance that this enemy could be Vanitas somehow.

 

3º) Sora was protected from Xehanort's corruption of darkness thanks to Ven's heart, who suited him with his armour; so Sora would have never been corrupted. Unfortunately, the darkness covered Ventus' armour and move it to attack Riku as his last boss in the game; but Sora was still safe inside the armour, so the darkness couldn't reach or corrupt him. So, like I said before in another topic, this was like Spiderman's foe, Venom. When it was still the symbiote which worked as Spiderman's black suit, it used to cover and control Spiderman's body while he was sleeping inside of it. In the Reports/Journal's section of the game, the nightmare version of Ven's armour is called "Ventus' Nightmare Armour". Its description says "This form is the armour someone clad Sora in to protect him from the darkness, concealed by darkness. The darkness makes the armour move and attack Riku".

 

4º) According to Yen Sid, "During this Mark of Mastery Exam, the 7 keyholes were opened. Because of this, the worlds enclosed by sleep were awakened , and we have learned the means to release sleeping hearts". This means the 6 worlds where those keyholes were in the Real of Sleep (Traverse Town, La Cité des Cloches, The Grid, The Country of the Musketeers, Prankster's Paradise and Symphonie of Sorcery) have returned to where they were before the attack of the Heartless. That means that when Sora returns to Traverse Town at the end of the story, it's no longer in the Realm of Sleep. And that part about "learning the means to release sleeping hearts", maybe this will be related with rescuing Ventus and releasing his heart from Sora, allowing it to return to his own body.

 

5º) When Riku enters in Sora's dream, he found Ventus, Roxas and Xion inside of him because their hearts are also inside of Sora. The bottle Riku picks from the beach are the data of Ansem the Wise's research, which he hid inside Sora while he was sleeping between KH:CoM and KH-II. The Ansem who appears in Sora is something like the Namine from KH:ReCoded, a "virtual duplicate" created to leave a message in case somebody find the data. According to Ansem, "Maybe it will be a clue for you all, to bring back your lost allies"; which obviously means all the missing ones (Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Roxas, Xion... and maybe even Namine). Riku take the data with him when he returns to the real world from Sora's dream.

 

6º) According to Ansem the Wise, it seems there's a new detail about the nature of the Nobodies. They don't have heart; however, since they are "empty shells", they can be used to create them. "The heart is something that can be born, and nurtured. To touch the light, to feel nature, to connect to people... the accumulation of these things gives shape to the heart. It's the same even for Nobodies who do not have hearts". That's why Master Xehanort tried to plant a part of his heart in each one of the Org XIII's members, but failed with most of them. And that's also the reason because Axel, Roxas, Namine, Xion (and maybe even Riku Replica) ended developing their own hearts. This could be also applied to Data Sora from KH:Re Coded.

 

7º) Ansem also said something about what makes Sora unique. "Even though he returned to his own body, he allowed his Nobody to exist as it was. That is the strength of the thoughts of the people connected to his heart, the strength of his heart's connections".

 

8º) Another curious thing mentioned by Ansem. "That light to the heart that everyone had when they were a child -simple, honest thoughts- that is the strength of a pure heart, in which Sora believes and cannot doubt". Funny, do you think that when Sora merged his heart with Ventus', that was what made Sora keep those "simple and honest thoughts like a child" while he grew up?

 

9º) Yen Sid said this at the end of the Mark of Mastery Exam: "Sora and Riku, this title would be appropriate for either of you. But it's Riku, who at the very end once again released the keyhole of darkness, and admirably brought Sora back, who will be recognised as a Keyblade Master this time". As you can see, both Sora and Riku proved to be worthy of being called "Keyblade Masters"; it's just that Riku gained a little "bonus" because he saved Sora and that gave him the title. No wonder Sora wasn't pissed off at all. His best friend deserved it because he saved him, and like Yen Sid said, Sora can consider himself as a Keyblade Master; just lacking the official title.

 

10º) This is just a theory of mine, but very possible. Like I said, when Sora returned to Traverse Town at the end, this world was awakened and restored to the Realm of Light; which makes you think how is it possible that the Spirit Dream Eaters have appeared here. My suspiction is that Sora has made another impossible stuff as always, thanks to his unique heart. He formed a very strong bond with his allies Spirits, so it's possible that he wanted to bring his new friends to the real world. And that's exactly what it happened!! I think the good guys are finally going to have their own "army" thanks to the Spirits. Sora, Riku, Kairi and everyone else could use a team of Spirits from now on, so they will never be alone against the enemy.

 

OK, what do you think of all this?.

[mistressLuck 32]

Ehh I find that if we talk about it too much and the game is released, we tend to be wrong.

 

You expect him to throw the baseball straight.

 

Then realize it's Nomura so you think he will throw a curveball.

 

But nope. What does he do?

 

Throws a football.

 

You didn't see that coming did you?

 

Nomura plays by his own rules http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.png.