KH3D SPOILERS! 7L, 13D; Sora, Terra, and RE

[Chosenl 3]

There's way too many post asking the same questions so I decided to make a new Topic to clear things up.

 

 

First Question: Is Sora one of the seven lights?

 

 

 

It has been mentioned many times, by Ansem through Riku in KH1, from Braig in KH2 and 3DS, and from Master Xehanort in 3DS. That Sora isn't a Keyblade Wielder. Remember in KH1 when Riku summoned the keyblade right out of Sora's hand? How did Sora get it back? His heart started to reconnect with Ven's heart that lies in slumber deep within him. That's why he says the same things the Ventus says, though at this point Sora thought it was his own words, but it was actually Ventus speaking.

Ventus got the keyblade back for Sora. But he does have his own power.

So he's not one of the 7 lights. He's just borrowing the power of the keyblade from others, mainly Ventus. But they did say that Sora will always be the hero. I believe that Sora is different from the 7 lights. He's a Light that shines even brighter thanks to his connections with the 7 lights and more. Even Sora accepted this fact, but continues to push forward

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd Question: Is Terra

in the 13 Darkness?

 

A lot of people have mentioned that Master Xehanort himself said that Terra is in the Organization. That's just a misunderstanding because the "Last One" is thought to be Terra, but it's not. What "Last One" am I talking about? Take a look at what Mickey says in this scene. He mentions the 7 lights as Mickey, Sora, Riku, and the missing three (Aqua, Terra, Ventus). Then he says the following:

This sounds like he knows who the "Last One" is (but at this point, he doesn't know about Lea or Kairi being keyblade wielders).

Then you have Master Xehanort reply the following:

The Last one!!!! Xehanort mentions that the 7th light that Mickey thought of is actually a member of the 13 Darkness. So from this, I believe that Terra is not in the 13 Darkness. Terra's status is unknown right now, but I'm sure that he completes the 7 lights.

 

The 7 lights are:

1-Mickey

2-Riku

3-Kairi

4-Lea

5-Aqua

6-Ventus

7-Terra

 

So who is this "last one"? I can't think of any other keyblade wielder except Eraqus. Unless its "THE MASTER" of Eraqus and Xehanort. Who knows..

 

 

 

 

3rd question: Who is RE?

 

Red Eyese

 

 

A lot of people think that it's Vanitas. For me, I don't think so. Their attacks aren't similar. Also, Vanitas doesn't have red eyes, the purple design on the coat, or that advance heartless like symbol. But I did recognize that coat design. Take a look.

Both have Red Eyes, both have the purple design. If you don't remember, this is the Red Eyes Boss from the secret episode of birth by sleep final mix. Althought I don't think that this is Vanitas, its probably a being similar to Vanitas. Remember how Vanitas was the source of all the Unversed? This Red Eyed Figure could be the source of these red-eyed beasts. It could be a different form of Vanitas, like instead of Ventus' dark half, it could be Roxas' or Sora's. But I'm sure, that this is the Vanitas we all know

 

 

Edited April 3, 2012 by Chosenl

[Queen Tery 4,591]

you might want to put spoiler tags on this, bro.

[Chosenl 3]

you might want to put spoiler tags on this, bro.

 

oh right, thanks!

[kingdom hearts 3 0]

wow this is amazing but spoilers

[Gardevoir101 40]

You bring up many good points. =) I never knew that Sora has said the exact same things as Ven + the seven light situation is very interesting, I can't really figure out who to leave out so until I see some evidence I'm gonna stop trying to guess. =P

[atheist123 583]

Sora is more likely to be a Light than Kairi . . . I mean, even though Sora's strength isn't his own ,it still makes more sense for him to be one than Kairi.

 

Kairi is just one because she touched Aqua's keyblade. Thats not a very good reason. She wasn't even able to summon her own keyblade; Riku had to give her one that he magically pulled out of thin air.

 

Sora has proven himself multiple times. And Xion was a keyblade weilder even though she was a clone! And Repliku! So Sora is legitimally a Light . . . he is just the Key that strengthens all the lights as well.

[Orthrusomega 9]

I don't think the last one is Eraquis, though he could easily be in MX's possession. Simply, Mickey never met him, its possible Yen Sid might have mentioned him but seeing as how Mickey didn't know of Vanitas, MX, Terra, Aqua or Ventus until he met them its more likely Yen forgot to mention him too.

As for a connection between Red Eyes and the Hunter of the Dark, possible but unlikely. Red Eyes seems to be a Dream Eater, a nightmare of Sora's maybe. And Dream Eaters as far as we know only exist in the Realm of Sleep. Hunter is a heartless, heartless cannot exist inside the Realm of Sleep with the exception of SoD for some reason.

Other than that, good points all around.

[Queen Tery 4,591]

i agree with the sora one, but i don't agree with the terra portion. i believe that terra is a member of the darkness, because after this xehanort says sora and last one are members of darkness. that leaves THREE. that would mean "sora," "the last one," and one other which would be the one that mickey couldn't come up with. the "last one" most likely means terra, although i will admit that has yet to be confirmed.

[Chosenl 3]

i agree with the sora one, but i don't agree with the terra portion. i believe that terra is a member of the darkness, because after this xehanort says sora and last one are members of darkness. that leaves THREE. that would mean "sora," "the last one," and one other which would be the one that mickey couldn't come up with. the "last one" most likely means terra, although i will admit that has yet to be confirmed.

 

I'm also unsure why Xehanort mentioned 3 missing lights. Either a minor mistranslation or he's talking about Terra. Althought Xehanort didn't say it directly, it IS possible that Terra is in Organization 13, but Xehanort could also be talking about the fact that Terra's whereabouts is unknown to both him and Mickey. I hope there's like a missing cut-scene that can clear this up.

 

You bring up many good points. =) I never knew that Sora has said the exact same things as Ven + the seven light situation is very interesting, I can't really figure out who to leave out so until I see some evidence I'm gonna stop trying to guess. =P

 

Thanks!!! When I saw Ventus say that for the 1st time in BBS, I was like "OMG!!!! THAT LINE!!!!"

[doverz 4]

I'm also unsure why Xehanort mentioned 3 missing lights. Either a minor mistranslation or he's talking about Terra. Althought Xehanort didn't say it directly, it IS possible that Terra is in Organization 13, but Xehanort could also be talking about the fact that Terra's whereabouts is unknown to both him and Mickey. I hope there's like a missing cut-scene that can clear this up.

 

I'm also unsure why Xehanort mentioned 3 missing lights. Either a minor mistranslation or he's talking about Terra. Althought Xehanort didn't say it directly, it IS possible that Terra is in Organization 13, but Xehanort could also be talking about the fact that Terra's whereabouts is unknown to both him and Mickey. I hope there's like a missing cut-scene that can clear this up.

 

Mickey names the 7 lights: Mikey, Riku, Sora, the three still missing (he's referring to Ven, Aqua, and Terra I would assume), and an unknown 7th person (which the secret ending seems to imply that it's Kairi).

Edited April 3, 2012 by doverz

[Chosenl 3]

Mickey names the 7 lights: Mikey, Riku, Sora, the three still missing (he's referring to Ven, Aqua, and Terra I would assume), and an unknown 7th person (which the secret ending seems to imply that it's Kairi).

 

What about Lea? I think its cool and uncool at the same time for Lea to have a keyblade. Very mixed feelings about it. It's hard to decide who the 7 are, but I also believe that it's a good cliffhanger lol

[SkyEmerald 73]

This is only a theory...actually more like speculation, but maybe Terra is asleep maybe he and MX split after ASoD and Xemnas were defeated and reunited. Terra might be sleeping in Xemnas' chamber, waiting to be awaken like Ven.

[doverz 4]

What about Lea? I think its cool and uncool at the same time for Lea to have a keyblade. Very mixed feelings about it. It's hard to decide who the 7 are, but I also believe that it's a good cliffhanger lol

 

I'm going to assume that making Lea a Keyblade wielder is more of a fan service than anything. Besides, I'm sure that there are things as just normal Keyblade wielders without being a Light since there were so many Keyblades in the Keyblade Graveyard.

[KingdomHearts0123 18]

I agree with doverz, but I got to admit Chosen! made a lot of good points

[Chosenl 3]

I'm going to assume that making Lea a Keyblade wielder is more of a fan service than anything. Besides, I'm sure that there are things as just normal Keyblade wielders without being a Light since there were so many Keyblades in the Keyblade Graveyard.

 

OH! The keyblades in the Keyblade Graveyward was before the 7 lights and 13 Darkness existed. Rather, the Keyblade war itself is the result of the X-blade splitting into 7 lights and 13 darkness. At least that's what Master Xehanort said

[legendkiller222 22]

Sora is one of the lights as the clip of MX and Mickey talking indicate he is one. However, the 13 darknesses are not natural like the lights are, so lights can be corrupted. This is why I don't think Kairi is a light. She may just be learning how to further use a keyblade in order to protect herself and she isn't on MX's side. Terra can be assumed to be a darkness, but he doesn't seem to be present and I think that is important. The absence of Terranort actually show his face means that it may not be so certain he is being controlled by MX still.

[Chosenl 3]

Sora is one of the lights as the clip of MX and Mickey talking indicate he is one. However, the 13 darknesses are not natural like the lights are, so lights can be corrupted. This is why I don't think Kairi is a light. She may just be learning how to further use a keyblade in order to protect herself and she isn't on MX's side. Terra can be assumed to be a darkness, but he doesn't seem to be present and I think that is important. The absence of Terranort actually show his face means that it may not be so certain he is being controlled by MX still.

 

But when MX and Mickey said talked about lights, they both argued about Sora's side. MX mentions that Sora is a regular child far off from wielding a keyblade, thus claiming him for the taking. Mickey believes that Sora is a light because he said only keyblade wielders are light. Mickey may or may not know about Sora harboring Ventus' heart, but he does believe that they're are close to figuring out where Ventus is (RECODED). Also the fact the he doesn't know Lea and Kairi are keyblade wielders means that the "Last One" is someone he knows. It could be someone totally new that hasn't even been introduced yet. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that MX did not say that Sora is a Light. The "Last One" being a potential light/keyblade wielder is already on the side of darkness. And that MX did not disagree with Mickey about Terra being a Light, or else he would've mentioned it like Sora and "The Last One". MX also mentions the light side missing 3. Terra's status is unknown to both parties,but MX does know that Mickey has no clue to finding Terra as well. The other 2 missing MX mentioning Sora and "The Last One" not being part of the 7 Lights. "The Last One" is replaced by Lea. As for Sora, either he's on a whole other level from 7 Lights and that Kairi is, or that Kairi stays as only a princess, making Sora the 7th light.

[legendkiller222 22]

But when MX and Mickey said talked about lights, they both argued about Sora's side. MX mentions that Sora is a regular child far off from wielding a keyblade, thus claiming him for the taking. Mickey believes that Sora is a light because he said only keyblade wielders are light. Mickey may or may not know about Sora harboring Ventus' heart, but he does believe that they're are close to figuring out where Ventus is (RECODED). Also the fact the he doesn't know Lea and Kairi are keyblade wielders means that the "Last One" is someone he knows. It could be someone totally new that hasn't even been introduced yet. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that MX did not say that Sora is a Light. The "Last One" being a potential light/keyblade wielder is already on the side of darkness. And that MX did not disagree with Mickey about Terra being a Light, or else he would've mentioned it like Sora and "The Last One". MX also mentions the light side missing 3. Terra's status is unknown to both parties,but MX does know that Mickey has no clue to finding Terra as well. The other 2 missing MX mentioning Sora and "The Last One" not being part of the 7 Lights. "The Last One" is replaced by Lea. As for Sora, either he's on a whole other level from 7 Lights and that Kairi is, or that Kairi stays as only a princess, making Sora the 7th light.

 

Lights can be corrupted so MX tried to take Sora because he knew he was able to be corrupted. Yes, MX says that Sora shouldn't have been able to even wield a keyblade, but that doesn't mean he cannot without Ven's heart inside him. Terra seems to be a wildcard in all this because Nomura could say hes a darkness or hes somewhere else or however he wants to troll us, but I'll agree that Terra may not be a darkness because like I said I think it is important that he wasn't shown. The 7th light isn't known, but as MX said the lights are chosen naturally so Lea could never truly replace a light nor Kairi because she is not one of the 7 mentioned in Mickey's list.... And I think Mickey knows where Ven's heart is, he just "forgot" to mention it to Sora as he does with everything.

[KingdomHearts0123 18]

This is only a theory...actually more like speculation, but maybe Terra is asleep maybe he and MX split after ASoD and Xemnas were defeated and reunited. Terra might be sleeping in Xemnas' chamber, waiting to be awaken like Ven.

 

what about Terra's will which could still be in his lingering setiment at the Keyblade Graveyard, he would also need that as well to wake up as well

[brodri4 0]

The seven lights are Micky, Sora, Riku, Kairi, Aqua, Ven, Lea.

Mickey says that the 7 are Mickey, Sora, Riku, TVA, and one unknown. Xehanort says that there are three missing because Sora is about to become a vessel, Terra is already a vessel, and there is one unknown. Since Sora is saved, the the seven lights are Micky, Sora, Riku, Kairi, Aqua, Ven, Lea.

[burnsideking24 256]

I'm actually surprised no one thought of Yen Sid being a light. Of course it's probably unlikely since he's retired, but wouldn't everyone wanna see him in action and what kind of keyblade he uses!?

[arlux13 5]

i believe that the listed above will be the lights (obviously) but this does, atleast to me, create a hole in the story. If the translations are correct, then Yen Sid states that the seven lights meant to protect the seven princesses were created AFTER the destruction of the x-blade. Everyone was around (and most wielded a keyblade already) before the destruction of the blade. If this were to be followed through, then that would mean there would be seven different people, but we all know this is highly doubtful. Just gets me thinking

[atheist123 583]

i believe that the listed above will be the lights (obviously) but this does, atleast to me, create a hole in the story. If the translations are correct, then Yen Sid states that the seven lights meant to protect the seven princesses were created AFTER the destruction of the x-blade. Everyone was around (and most wielded a keyblade already) before the destruction of the blade. If this were to be followed through, then that would mean there would be seven different people, but we all know this is highly doubtful. Just gets me thinking

 

This is referring to the original X-blade not the fake MX made.

[replika13 455]

Terra might reborn into Radiant Garden. Remember that Xemnas was destroyed lastly in kh2.

I think last one is Roxas since we can see Roxas in opening scene, joining with Riku, Sora, Ven, Terra, Aqua and mickey for the fight.

Red Eyes might acctually be Soras heartless re-version since he came from soras darkness.

[Chosenl 3]

Terra might reborn into Radiant Garden. Remember that Xemnas was destroyed lastly in kh2.

I think last one is Roxas since we can see Roxas in opening scene, joining with Riku, Sora, Ven, Terra, Aqua and mickey for the fight.

Red Eyes might acctually be Soras heartless re-version since he came from soras darkness.

 

That black aura did look like it came from Sora. As for Roxas being the "Last One", I don't think he is considering that during the encounter, i forgot who exactly said it, but a member of Organization called Sora "Roxas". Saying that Roxas is the next vessel (still talking about Sora). If Roxas was already with Organization13, they wouldn't have mentioned his name.

 

I'm actually surprised no one thought of Yen Sid being a light. Of course it's probably unlikely since he's retired, but wouldn't everyone wanna see him in action and what kind of keyblade he uses!?

 

Could be a light but I doubt it. Not because he's retired, but because the "Last One" refers to someone already on the 13 Darkness side. Yen Sid ain't in there. But this "Last One" is a member of the Organization that had a chance to be a Light, so its for sure a keyblade wielder.