KH3D A possible Theory *Spoilers*

[KHlover12 22]

In case you didn't get this post may have some spoilers so read with caution.

 

Like many of us, I've watched the ending of 3D and I've been really fixated by the statement, “the 13 Darknesses will have to face the 7 Lights,” (or vise versa I'm sure the content is the same both ways). Even since this new statement was brought up I started scratching my head at the idea of who/what the 13 darknesses and the 7 lights were. Now numerous people have come up with the theory that the 7 Lights are the 7 keyblade wielders:

• Sora

• Riku

• Mickey

• Aqua

• 5. Lea

• Ven (?)

• Kairi (?)

For Kairi, Ven and also Terra, I'm not too sure about. I know the Secret ending hinted at Kairi being a big part and she is a keyblade wielder so it does make sense; however the one thing that doesn't make sense is that she is a princess of heart which would make her one of targets Xehnort is after, so why would anyone risk putting her into battle. I will elaborate more on this point in a little bit.

 

The only reason I question Terra is because of his heart being locked in it's own battle with Xehnort so for the sake of it I will say that he is not included in the 7 lights because Xehnort is counting him out already. I mean logically thinking if you took over someone's heart and had a sadistic mind like Xehnort wouldn't you feel a sense of confidence in your own power?

 

Now Ven is a little easier to believe. If he is asleep and his heart is resting inside Sora, then once his heart is returned to him and he is woken up then he should be counted amongst the 7 lights. This leads me to question, what about Roxas and Xion? Now Xion is easy to see why she would not be counted among them; she is essentially the broken memories of Sora's heart; therefore if she was to somehow able to join the battle, she would not be considered an actual Keyblade wielder since her ability to wield the keyblade was solely obtained due to her status of being a replica. For Roxas on the other hand, I'm not entirely sure. As I usually find myself doing when it comes down to matter of Roxas and Namine I consult this one theory that actually made a bit of sense:

 

http://forums.khinsider.com/handheld-entries/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

 

(yes I used khinsider but this theory kind of gets you thinking a bit more. Please read it in order to fully understand where the rest of this theory leads. Shall we continue?)

 

Now according to Gelandporn (formally known as Grass), Roxas has a part of Ven's fractured heart within him. This makes sense seeing that Roxas does display a range of emotions that a normal nobody would lack and his appearance is kind of a dead hint at Ven being a part of him. Now if this is true once Roxas and Ven finally join together then Ven will be the Ven we knew in the beginning of Birth By Sleep and would be counted among the 7 lights.

 

Now back to Kairi. How can she as a Princess of Heart be recommended to go into battle with the 13 darknesses especially if she herself is harboring one of the seven scattered pieces of the X-Blade? This had me thinking for quite some time now and while re-reading Grass's theory it kind of hit me. What if like Grass/Gelandporn suggest is true, “Namine is a personified fragment of Kairi’s light containing the spell Aqua cast on her. When Namine returned to Kairi, this completed her.”

 

Now where I'm going with, think back to Hollow Bastion that whole mess that went down when the Keyblade to People's Hearts released Kair's Heart from Sora and presumably created Namine in the process if what Grass/Gelandporn suggest is the correct assumption then maybe the fragment of light that was extracted from Kairi was the exact fragment of the X-blade which in turn would make Namine the one unknowingly holding the X-blade fragment and in a sense protecting it from Xehanort due to his lack of knowledge of her possessing it because to him, Namine is the nobody of Kairi.

 

I probably missed some key things while comparing this theory to the new information provided for us by 3D but I encourage you to at least read the first post in the theory; however throughout the thread she does make other points in order to elaborate on her theory making it even more plausible. Well that is a theory that I give credit to Grass/Gelandpron for thinking up.

 

Now onto the 13 Darkness which is something I haven't really put much thought in recently, I wanted to get the 7 lights out of the way first before tackling the more vague “army” for lack of a better name. From what I've gotten out of this I can infer that all forms of Xehnort will be present in the battle:

• Master Xehanort

• Apprentice Xehanort

• Young Xehanort

• Terranort (I'm not sure if he would be considered the same as AX)

• Xemnas

• Ansem Seeker of Darkness

• Briag

• Isa

• Vanitas (?)

• Mysterious Figure (? yet again not too sure if he would be counted as another Xehanort)

• Maleficent (? why not I mean she's willing to do anything to conqure to worlds so we can't exactly put it past Xehanort to recruit her)

• Pete (another possibility I mean we all know what Maleficent does he does too)

• Heartless, Nobodies and Unversed (clearly towards the end of this list I've run out of ideas)

I'm trying to think is there anyone else besides Ansem the Wise who has golden eyes because I feel like the golden eyes would give a hint as to who is included in the 13 darkness.

 

Now I open the floor to all of you. I apologize for this being so long and I thank you for taking the time to read all this mumbo jumbo

[XIIISwords 1,059]

Now back to Kairi. How can she as a Princess of Heart be recommended to go into battle with the 13 darknesses especially if she herself is harboring one of the seven scattered pieces of the X-Blade? This had me thinking for quite some time now and while re-reading Grass's theory it kind of hit me. What if like Grass/Gelandporn suggest is true, “Namine is a personified fragment of Kairi’s light containing the spell Aqua cast on her. When Namine returned to Kairi, this completed her.”

 

One thing at a time...

 

The green is the key. Why would Yen Sid want Kairi a protector when she needs to be protected?

 

Mickey sort of confirmed the list of seven in a cutscene, but he could be wrong.

• Mickey (duh)
• Riku (duh)
• Sora (duh)
• Ventus (I like your theory on him)
• Aqua (I don't see a problem at all w/ her)
• Terra (But now that Master Xehanort is back, couldn't Terra be back too?)

Now the seventh may be Kairi, but as stated before, that wouldn't make sense. What if the seventh was...

 

Lea- He's now shown to be a Keyblade wielder. He won't go to Xehanort, but I can see him working with the others.

Roxas- You never know. If Ventus is one, than Roxas, who is of almost equal importance, could be another. Also, as Roxas is my favorite character, I refuse to believe he doesn't have a heart.

Xion- Less likely than Roxas, but still possible.

Yen SId- Never know

Eraqus- See Yen Sid

Edited April 2, 2012 by XIIISwords

[Shazzam 142]

I feel like the whole secret ending hints at Kairi being one of the seven. Yeah it probably wouldn't make sence, but the ending was just so "in your face"... but I guess that's up to interpretation. There's no doubt that she will be seeing some sort of action in the future though.

[XIIISwords 1,059]

• Master Xehanort
• Apprentice Xehanort
• Young Xehanort
• Terranort (I'm not sure if he would be considered the same as AX)
• Xemnas
• Ansem Seeker of Darkness
• Briag
• Isa
• Vanitas (?)
• Mysterious Figure (? yet again not too sure if he would be counted as another Xehanort)
• Maleficent (? why not I mean she's willing to do anything to conqure to worlds so we can't exactly put it past Xehanort to recruit her)
• Pete (another possibility I mean we all know what Maleficent does he does too)
• Heartless, Nobodies and Unversed (clearly towards the end of this list I've run out of ideas)

 

Confirmed

• Master Xehanort (duh)
• Young Xehanort (seems to be after KH 3D)
• Ansem SoD (Seen)
• Xemnas (Seen)
• Xigbar (Seen)
• Isa/Saix (Nobody said who he was. Lea assumed it was his friend Isa, but for all we know, it could be Saix)

I suspect Vanitas, the Red-Eyed Unknown, Mysterious Figure, and No Heart may also be included, but there's no sureness of either right now.

[TheDarKris 85]

M question is: If Terra lost his body to MX and in result created the new Xehanort, with Ansem SoD and Mansex (lol) still around, how will Terra be restored with his body still being used as MX's puppet?

[Kidror 18]

Its the six mickey said plus kairi. Terra may not be part of it and Lea takes his place but we don't know if Terra can be rescued or not I'm hoping for Sora, Kaira and Lea having to take their MoM by saving Aqua, Terra and Ven.

[Skai 3,961]

7 Lights are 7 keyblade wielders. Xehanort has confirmed this himself.

Sora

Riku

Mickey

Lea

Kairi

Possibly Aqua, if they can rescue her from the Realm of Darkness. With Riku's new found power, I don't see why not.

Possibly Ven, but this has to be done with Sora

 

Terra is not a possibility since he is one of the bodies used by Xehanort he even says it himself in the beginning of the ending that one of the 6 mickey was talking about he had taken over, and sora was (at the time) going to be the 13th so instead of missing 1 they were missing 3, but then Lea saved Sora, so they only were missing two and then Lea got his own keyblade and that went to one and finally they show Kairi in the Secret ending leaving no spots.

 

Roxas doesn't have a body, and may never get one since he has a strong sense of duty to be with Sora

 

Xion isn't fully realized by a lot of people and therefore they can do nothing to save her.

 

Namine is the nobody of Kairi but she probably will have a hard time even summoning a keyblade and she is in Kairi, so that rules her out.

 

Eraqus' heart is in Terra's heart is partially in Riku. No can do.

 

Yen Sid has renounced his title so don't count on him.

 

Now, Kairi might be a Pure Heart but she can also wield the keyblade. I don't know about you but she would be more useful if she could fight rather than being some damsel in distress. If she can protect herself, that's one less down to protect.

 

The 13 Xehanorts (Darknesses)

 

1. Master Xehanort himself. Original

2. Xemnas (Or at least the one that looks like him)

3. Ansem: Seeker of Darkness (Same thing)

4. Braig/Xigbar

5. Isa/Saix

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

11.

12.

13.

 

The others aren't confirmed or even hinted to, so why even bother trying to solve it and waste your time on it, but the possible ones are.

Vanitas

Eraqus (Could be since his body is yet to be found)

Different Xehanorts from different times

Red Eyes from BbS:FM since he has yet to be seen again

No Name (The Armored Knight) If Terra can put his heart into his armor, why can't Xehanort right?

Mysterious Figure from BbS and Young Master Xehanort can also be counted.

The rest of the organization members

????/Demyx

?????/Luxord

???????/Marluxia

??????/Larxene

since none of their past is even mentioned or their future whereabouts

 

Unlikely, but could be

Maleficent. I say unlikely because she is too arrogant to give her body to Xehanort and also SHE wants to rule ALL BY HERSELF.

Pete is too much of a wimp. And plus a Petenort would look ridiculous.

 

And it can't be

Terra because, I think Ansem: SoD is using his body.

Dilan/Xaldin

Even/Vexen

Aeleus/Lexaeus

Ienzo/Zexion

because all of them are not under Xehanort's control since they were clearly brought back in Radiant Garden.

 

Also he failed to turn Sora into one so he needs one more besides the already turned Xehanorts.

Edited April 2, 2012 by StrongHeart

[XIIISwords 1,059]

Comments in green.

 

Terra is not a possibility since he is one of the bodies used by Xehanort. But we see MX, so what if Terra was freed?

Roxas doesn't have a body, and may never get one since he has a strong sense of duty to be with Sora' )': You're probably right.

 

Now, Kairi might be a Pure Heart but she can also wield the keyblade. I don't know about you but she would be more useful if she could fight rather than being some damsel in distress. If she can protect herself, that's one less down to protect. True, but it seems counter-intuitive. She should still have a guardian, just in case. Two is always better than one.

 

The 13 Xehanorts (Darknesses)

 

1. Master Xehanort himself. Original

2. Xemnas (Or at least the one that looks like him)

3. Ansem: Seeker of Darkness (Same thing)

4. Braig/Xigbar

5. Isa/Saix

6 I haven't watched the whole game, but Young Xehanort seemed really important.

7.

8.

9.

10.

11.

12.

13.

 

The others aren't confirmed or even hinted to, so why even bother trying to solve it and waste your time on it, but the possible ones are.

 

Eraqus (Could be since his body is yet to be found) I like this!

 

 

 

The rest of the organization members True dat,

????/Demyx

?????/Luxord

???????/Marluxia

??????/Larxene

since none of their past is even mentioned or their future whereabouts

 

Unlikely, but could be TOO UNLIKELY

Maleficent. I say unlikely because she is too arrogant to give her body to Xehanort and also SHE wants to rule ALL BY HERSELF.

Pete is too much of a wimp. And plus a Petenort would look ridiculous.

 

And it can't be

Terra because, I think Ansem: SoD is using his body. If it worked like that, Xemnas would need his body too, so SoD and Xemnas couldn't coexist. There could be a loophole.

 

 

I agree with most everything else you said.

[Axtwyt 500]

And it can't be

Dilan/Xaldin

Even/Vexen

because all of them are not under Xehanort's control since they were clearly brought back in Radiant Garden.

 

Those two weren't shown waking up in Radiant Garden.

[Burgundy 2]

 

The rest of the organization members

????/Demyx

?????/Luxord

???????/Marluxia

??????/Larxene

since none of their past is even mentioned or their future whereabouts

 

Xemnas told Sora that all the members of the original Org 13 were too weak or traitorous etc (except Xigbar/Braig and Saix/Isa), so demyx, luxord, marluxia, and larxene are unlikely.

[Skai 3,961]

Xemnas told Sora that all the members of the original Org 13 were too weak or traitorous etc (except Xigbar/Braig and Saix/Isa), so demyx, luxord, marluxia, and larxene are unlikely.

 

He said most, not all.

[Remains of Old 117]

I'll just post this... Mickey said, after MX spoke about the 13 Darknesses and 7 lights, he said:

Oh, we have... Me (Mickey), Sora, Riku, the three that had their destinies changed (Which is obviously Terra, Aqua and Ven), and another one...

MX then says: We have Sora and the last one on our side.

The last one is probably the 6th, not the 7th, i don't think the translation they did is right on that part, but anyway, this 6th should be Terra if he is on their side.

 

So, what i think is that Sora will get to the XIII side, somehow, eventually, but will come back to the VII side, and i don't think Vanitas will ever appear phisically again.

 

So, for me, the 13 darknesses would be:

-Master Xehanort

-Mysterious Figure, which is kind of a 30 year old Xehanort.

-Young Master Xehanort, he's around 16 years old, i guess.

-Braig

-Isa

-Ansem

-Xemnas

-Sora, but will go back to the light side.

-Terra, who is probably on his Terranort, (Apprentice Xehanort) form, but will eventually go back to the Light side too, like Sora.

 

And that's 9. I don't think Maleficent, Pete, or ''monsters'' are going to be vessels anyway.

If Terra ends up not going to the ''Light side'' at KH3, but after Xehanorts saga, there's a chance Eraqus will be on the Light Side, completing the 7s list.

[Zaire Ellis 3]

I think the seven lights are.

-sora

-riku

-Mickey

- kairi

-Lea

-aqua

-ven

[Chosenl 3]

I'll just post this... Mickey said, after MX spoke about the 13 Darknesses and 7 lights, he said:

Oh, we have... Me (Mickey), Sora, Riku, the three that had their destinies changed (Which is obviously Terra, Aqua and Ven), and another one...

MX then says: We have Sora and the last one on our side.

The last one is probably the 6th, not the 7th, i don't think the translation they did is right on that part, but anyway, this 6th should be Terra if he is on their side.

 

 

I believe that Terra is NOT in Organization 13, and that he is the 7th light. Why? Take a look at what Mickey says in this scene. He mentions the 7 lights as Mickey, Sora, Riku, and the missing three (Aqua, Terra, Ventus). Then he says the following:

This sounds like he knows who the last one is (doesn't know at this point about Lea or Kairi). Then you have Master Xehanort reply the following:

The translation was correct. They mentioned the "Last One" but with no name, but both Mickey and Master Xehanort knows who it is. Xehanort said this statement referring to Mickey's statement thinking about who the last one is. Xehanort did not mention Terra at all. This "Last" Keyblade wielder is unknown right now. That means that Terra's status is unknown, but for sure, he is not in Organization 13.

 

The 7 lights are:

1-Mickey

2-Riku

3-Kairi

4-Lea

5-Aqua

6-Ventus

7-Terra

 

Sora isn't in that list because its been said throughout the 3D game that he is not a Keyblade wielder. He is simply borrowing the power from the hearts he's connected with, mainly Ventus.

 

So who is this "last one"? I can't think of any other keyblade wielder except Eraqus. Unless its "THE MASTER" of Eraqus and Xehanort. Who knows....

[legendkiller222 22]

I believe that Terra is NOT in Organization 13, and that he is the 7th light. Why? Take a look at what Mickey says in this scene. He mentions the 7 lights as Mickey, Sora, Riku, and the missing three (Aqua, Terra, Ventus). Then he says the following:

This sounds like he knows who the last one is (doesn't know at this point about Lea or Kairi). Then you have Master Xehanort reply the following:

The translation was correct. They mentioned the "Last One" but with no name, but both Mickey and Master Xehanort knows who it is. Xehanort said this statement referring to Mickey's statement thinking about who the last one is. Xehanort did not mention Terra at all. This "Last" Keyblade wielder is unknown right now. That means that Terra's status is unknown, but for sure, he is not in Organization 13.

 

The 7 lights are:

1-Mickey

2-Riku

3-Kairi

4-Lea

5-Aqua

6-Ventus

7-Terra

 

Sora isn't in that list because its been said throughout the 3D game that he is not a Keyblade wielder. He is simply borrowing the power from the hearts he's connected with, mainly Ventus.

 

So who is this "last one"? I can't think of any other keyblade wielder except Eraqus. Unless its "THE MASTER" of Eraqus and Xehanort. Who knows....

 

Sora is on the list. Mickey says "Me, Riku, Sora, the other three (TAV) and the last one..." Then MX responds with as you have in the clip "However, Sora and the last one are on our side." Kairi is not confirmed yet, all we really know is she is just there because she can wield a keyblade. She isn't a light from the evidence of the last one discussion MX and Mickey have, and Kairi isn't on MX's side.

[Remains of Old 117]

I believe that Terra is NOT in Organization 13, and that he is the 7th light. Why? Take a look at what Mickey says in this scene. He mentions the 7 lights as Mickey, Sora, Riku, and the missing three (Aqua, Terra, Ventus). Then he says the following:

This sounds like he knows who the last one is (doesn't know at this point about Lea or Kairi). Then you have Master Xehanort reply the following:

The translation was correct. They mentioned the "Last One" but with no name, but both Mickey and Master Xehanort knows who it is. Xehanort said this statement referring to Mickey's statement thinking about who the last one is. Xehanort did not mention Terra at all. This "Last" Keyblade wielder is unknown right now. That means that Terra's status is unknown, but for sure, he is not in Organization 13.

 

The 7 lights are:

1-Mickey

2-Riku

3-Kairi

4-Lea

5-Aqua

6-Ventus

7-Terra

 

Sora isn't in that list because its been said throughout the 3D game that he is not a Keyblade wielder. He is simply borrowing the power from the hearts he's connected with, mainly Ventus.

 

So who is this "last one"? I can't think of any other keyblade wielder except Eraqus. Unless its "THE MASTER" of Eraqus and Xehanort. Who knows....

 

Soras' in the list like legendkiller said, but offtopic question, was Yen Sid trained along with Eraqus and Xehanort? Because there were/are 3 thrones at the Land of Departure, Yen Sid used to be the 3rd?

[doverz 4]

Soras' in the list like legendkiller said, but offtopic question, was Yen Sid trained along with Eraqus and Xehanort? Because there were/are 3 thrones at the Land of Departure, Yen Sid used to be the 3rd?

 

In BBS, doesn't Eraqus that Yen Sid used to be a Keyblade Master and then gave it up to pursue other matters?

[Remains of Old 117]

In BBS, doesn't Eraqus that Yen Sid used to be a Keyblade Master and then gave it up to pursue other matters?

 

Yeah, that's the main reason i think they were partners.

I don't think Eraqus would know about Yen Sid's social life randomly.

[Rakuroikusan 6]

Ok so by now we all know there's 13 darknesses and 7 lights (well actually 13 but anyways)

 

13 Lights: Riku, Mickey, Ven, Terra, Aqua, Lea, Aurora, Jasmine, Snow White, Alice, Cinderalla, Belle, and Kairi doubles as princess and keyblade wielder. (13)

 

13 Darknesses: Master Xehanort, Xemnas, Ansem SoD, Braig, Isa, Young Master Xehanort + Whatever hasn't been revealed yet. (I'm thinking Vanitas and a possesed Riku from Kh1 might be added to the mix)

 

Where's Sora in all of this you might ask? He's the one that going to open the door. After all 13 Lights and Darknesses clash, someone has to be there to use the the completed X-Blade right? I think that's the reason why Master Xehanort REALLY wanted Sora.Cuz chances are he's gonna recruit a 13th member even though he failed to recruit Sora.

 

What do you guys think?

[zdog 0]

Confirmed

• Master Xehanort (duh)
• Young Xehanort (seems to be after KH 3D)
• Ansem SoD (Seen)
• Xemnas (Seen)
• Xigbar (Seen)
• Isa/Saix (Nobody said who he was. Lea assumed it was his friend Isa, but for all we know, it could be Saix)

I suspect Vanitas, the Red-Eyed Unknown, Mysterious Figure, and No Heart may also be included, but there's no sureness of either right now.

 

So my question here is how are Xemnas and Ansem SOD still even around? They've both been defeated multiple times, and wasn't the whole crux of Master Xehanort being able to return based on the fact that both his heartless and nobody were destroyed? We've definitely seen ol' geezanort, but it really confuses me that right there alongside him are Xemnas and Ansem SOD. Are these just manifestations taking place in the dream world, similar to how Sora saw Xion?

 

I'll just post this... Mickey said, after MX spoke about the 13 Darknesses and 7 lights, he said:

Oh, we have... Me (Mickey), Sora, Riku, the three that had their destinies changed (Which is obviously Terra, Aqua and Ven), and another one...

MX then says: We have Sora and the last one on our side.

The last one is probably the 6th, not the 7th, i don't think the translation they did is right on that part, but anyway, this 6th should be Terra if he is on their side.

 

So, what i think is that Sora will get to the XIII side, somehow, eventually, but will come back to the VII side, and i don't think Vanitas will ever appear phisically again.

 

So, for me, the 13 darknesses would be:

-Master Xehanort

-Mysterious Figure, which is kind of a 30 year old Xehanort.

-Young Master Xehanort, he's around 16 years old, i guess.

-Braig

-Isa

-Ansem

-Xemnas

-Sora, but will go back to the light side.

-Terra, who is probably on his Terranort, (Apprentice Xehanort) form, but will eventually go back to the Light side too, like Sora.

 

And that's 9. I don't think Maleficent, Pete, or ''monsters'' are going to be vessels anyway.

If Terra ends up not going to the ''Light side'' at KH3, but after Xehanorts saga, there's a chance Eraqus will be on the Light Side, completing the 7s list.

 

My question here is where does Xehanort come off saying that he has Sora on his side? I know sora went through some tough things but he went no where near as far off the deep end as Riku did in KH1. It seemed to me by the end of KH3D that sora seemed fine and dandy.

Edited April 3, 2012 by zdog

[Remains of Old 117]

My question here is where does Xehanort come off saying that he has Sora on his side? I know sora went through some tough things but he went no where near as far off the deep end as Riku did in KH1. It seemed to me by the end of KH3D that sora seemed fine and dandy.

 

On the ending.

[zdog 0]

On the ending.

 

haha, sorry...I know that Xehanort says that Sora will be on their side at the end of the game. When I asked"where does he come off saying Sora will be on their side" I meant on what basis does he feel he can say that. At the end of the game Sora falls into darkness, but I don't think it was because he was choosing to go to darkness, or because he was now ready to join Xehanort's ranks. I haven't heard anyone give a definitive reason as to why he even falls into the darkness after the Xemnas fight. The best I heard was a clothes booby trap, and that doesn't sound right. By the end it seems clear his allegiances remain where they have always been. Thank you for your replys!

[Remains of Old 117]

haha, sorry...I know that Xehanort says that Sora will be on their side at the end of the game. When I asked"where does he come off saying Sora will be on their side" I meant on what basis does he feel he can say that. At the end of the game Sora falls into darkness, but I don't think it was because he was choosing to go to darkness, or because he was now ready to join Xehanort's ranks. I haven't heard anyone give a definitive reason as to why he even falls into the darkness after the Xemnas fight. The best I heard was a clothes booby trap, and that doesn't sound right. By the end it seems clear his allegiances remain where they have always been. Thank you for your replys!

 

Oh, you meant that? Hehe, sorry!

Well, i think he said that because, Sora was already passed out, and all Master Xehanort had to do was put his 13th heart fragment inside and, ta-da! Soranort would be born.

However that's not what happened, as you know.