KH3D (Spoilers) More time travel stuff

[atheist123 583]

Please correct me if I've got anything wrong about this summary

1) You need to purposefully remove your own heart

2) You can only go back to times you have existed in

 

Does this mean that Sora could have time traveled as a shadow? He used the keyblade of peoples heart to remove his heart from his body. I don't think he can now but during this time frame he may of been able to (just cos story would get even more confusing if its possible).

 

MX is from an alternative timeline where he lived his life normally without time travelling and YMX is a Xehanort who was shifted out of his real timeline. So, my question is, do Paradoxes exist in KH? If YMX is destroyed then MX could not have lived to be this old and so TAV would not of gone through their ordeal and Sora would not of become a keyblader (since his heart would not of fused with ven).

 

Basically, we have no idea about the mechanics of KH time travel and if MX is grown up YMX so we cannot make any predictions about the series from now on.

 

Also, if Xemnas and Ansem SoD are real then does this mean that they were taken out of their proper timelines then put back in when they were defeated by Sora. So did the bosses of KH1 and 2 know they were going to die because they had already talked to their future and past selves. Both of these people must be eliminated as Apprentice Xehanort has been revived . . . .and is Master Xehanort actually back? Or is he just MX before he possessed Terra to form Terranort?

 

This is still really confusing and not clear at all. If anyone fully understands the plot of the Kingdom Hearts series, they are crazy.

[Skai 3,961]

Well I believe they are from different timelines, but every timeline should be the same unless someone came back from the future to change it.

[atheist123 583]

Time travel just unneccesarily complicates things . . . it's fine until you start thinking about it more.

[Remains of Old 117]

Well, you actually ''give up'' of your body, of your flesh, not your heart.

 

And i think it is just times you have existed, yes.

Well, just like YMX said, it's like Deja Vu.

 

For example, the movie, Deja Vu, where the main character goes back in time and do stuff, but before he went back in time, it didn't really happened.

From this, you can decide what you want to think, i personaly believe one is able to kill MX by killing YMX, but BEFORE he even learned to time travel, or, before Ansem(SOD, which is himself, but a heartless) met him.

 

I think if you kill MX when he were a baby, it's end of the story, but kill him after he learned to time travel, no, nothing happens.

It's more like paralel dimensions/times.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I have made a graph to display how I interpreted to have happened hope this helps

 

[atheist123 583]

Well, you actually ''give up'' of your body, of your flesh, not your heart.

 

And i think it is just times you have existed, yes.

Well, just like YMX said, it's like Deja Vu.

 

For example, the movie, Deja Vu, where the main character goes back in time and do stuff, but before he went back in time, it didn't really happened.

From this, you can decide what you want to think, i personaly believe one is able to kill MX by killing YMX, but BEFORE he even learned to time travel, or, before Ansem(SOD, which is himself, but a heartless) met him.

 

I think if you kill MX when he were a baby, it's end of the story, but kill him after he learned to time travel, no, nothing happens.

It's more like paralel dimensions/times.

 

I solved it; you just need to kill Aprentice Xehanort as he's the only one who truly still exists which would stop everyone else from timtravelling/ existing in the future. Since ASoD was the first to time travel (and he had memories of his time as MX and AX only until he died (given he didn't time travel more before possessing Riku (he would've been weak and unable to exist on his own for too long))) he would not be able to warn his past self about how AX would eventually die so YMX would not be able to time travel past AX's death and he can't go back and talk to himself as he has no memories of talking to himself (or else he would've acted differently in one of the games). AND THEN THERE IS HIS CLONES! FIRETRUCK! My theory is dead.

[Remains of Old 117]

See how Nomura's a troll?

A genius, anyway.

 

The easier way to do this would probably be killing Master Xehanort mother, anyway.

 

However, more time travels for me would just destroy the game.

[Kidror 18]

I'm thinking that the YMX in the cloak is actually MXs heart without a body( when Xemnas still existed)

[atheist123 583]

I'm thinking that the YMX in the cloak is actually MXs heart without a body( when Xemnas still existed)

 

^this! YMX not actually being YMX would explain everything! This is the reason why I hated the idea of MF actually being YMX! But in one of the scenes Ansem SoD is shown talking to him . . . My new theory is that a) the Xemnas in 3D is actually Xemnas' Nobody b ) Ansem SoD in 3D is just Riku's memories (he has the form of when SoD was in Riku's body instead of his own) c) YMX is Young Xehanorts heart, that has left behind an empty vessel (young Xehanort) who will eventually grow up to become MX (as he has no heart, so his new heart will be dark/evil etc).

 

So, how evil is YMX anyway? Is he as evil as MX? Maybe YMX will end up being good in KH3 as his heart isn't completely dark like AX/MX? Since YMX is just a representation of MX before he turned evil he isn't part of Master Xehanort and his past. The way MX will finally die is that YMX will help the gang to defeat Apprentice Xehanort, the last Xehanort which truly exists in the present.

Edited April 1, 2012 by atheist123

[Remains of Old 117]

From these three, i think that © is the best, and the only possible for me.

 

YMX don't seen to be evil as MX already, it seens like he's not been entirely corrupted already, but i think he'll eventually become a bad Xehanort and stuff, and i now think that, if in some point, YMX becomes good and helps out the gang, it would be preety awesome.

[Bizarro 10]

Fact of the matter is, the game officially and specifically calls him "Young Xehanort" and also places the old Master Xehanort of higher authority and greater standing, so I'm hardly inclined to believe YMX and MX are just two halves of a whole being. This seems to be an entirely new Xehanort incarnation associated only with time manipulation as opposed to Heartless and Nobodies.

 

And atheist, why do you keep advocating this idea that Xemnas in 3D is Xemnas' Nobody? That's completely stupid and makes absolutely no sense. That also goes for your Ansem SoD theory, as he was clearly a part of the Organization and not just Riku's memories/inner darkness haunting him like in CoM.

Edited April 1, 2012 by Bizarro

[Remains of Old 117]

I also think a Nobody's nobody idea it's preety lame, but go easy on him. It's not 100% impossible, now that we know a nobody is able to cultivate a heart of his own.

And no, YMX really is MX, but from a different timeline, see devereauxr graphic over there and you will understand.

However, something a bit curious that we still don't know is, how YMX time travels, is he inside a vessel, because to time travel, one must give up their flesh, if i recall properly.

[Bizarro 10]

And no, YMX really is MX, but from a different timeline, see devereauxr graphic over there and you will understand.

Yeah, I'm aware of that and I agree. I was just saying that he's a new incarnation in the sense that he's not a Heartless or a Nobody. I definitely don't think he's half a person, nor is MX, but that's what atheist seems to be suggesting here.

Edited April 1, 2012 by Bizarro

[AkiraNasuki 0]

That graph pretty much explains it .-. .....