KH3D SPOILER! Is he a part of the new Organization? (Other Questions Included)

[Mysterious_Figure_Vanitas 3]

I've been a Mysterious Figure/Heartless/Nobody theorist from the very beginning, but now a million new questions popped up out of nowhere. So, explain to me some things, if you can...1. I only watched it once (since I'm waiting for the translated scene where old man Xehanort is talking to Riku and Mickey,) but I could of swore I saw Young Xehanort, alive, after Riku defeated him, on one of the thrones, in the part of the scene when all of the new Organization members are disappearing from the room. (long sentence...) Did I see that right?2. Xigbar and Xemnas explained that the members of the Organization acquired hearts. If that is possible, does that mean that they split into entirely new Heartless' and Nobodies, or are the Xemnas and Xigbar we saw Somebodies now? (Humans?)3. (I'm sure people have asked this already) Old man Xehanort appeared in the same room as Ansem: Seeker of Darkness, and Xemnas, even though they are "supposed" to be the Heartless and Nobody of Terra (possessed by old man Xehanort's heart.) Could it be possible that reunited beings could control the halves they split into, as well as their original body?4. Old man Xehanort and Young Xehanort both have Keyblades of their own, and of course, Young Xehanort used the "No Name" Keyblade. Could they be two entirely different beings, or could they have the same ability as Sora and Riku, meaning that they can wield multiple Keyblades?5. If old man Xehanort is back as a Somebody, and Ansem: SOD and Xemnas are possibly Somebodies, does that mean that Ansem: SOD and Xemnas could possibly have Eraqus' and Terra's hearts within themselves? Or do you think that Terra and Eraqus could possibly be possessed members of the new Organization?6. And last, did I hear right that every member of the new Organization is under Xehanort's control, and have the whole yellow eyes, pointy ears and silver/grey hair deal?7. Was the second secret boss revealed yet?

[Skai 3,961]

To answer your questions in a nutshell. Yes there are 13 Xehanorts (13 "Darknesses"). No they have not been confirmed.

 

I believe that all of them will have different faces, because having 13 old men be the final bosses of KH3 would just be creepy

 

Also, Xehanort is his own Entity. All that's needed to make another Xehanort is a body that has the capacity to wield a heart created for Xehanort.Yes, hearts are able to be created and used if the body is strong enough

 

Ansem: SOD is using Terra's body

Xehanort is using his own

Young Master Xehanort is from a different timeline

Unclear on Xemnas

Braig/Xigbar is one

Isa/Saix is one also.

 

Also he does not control all of the Organization. He said that most of the Organization members did not have the capacity/power for his plans, which was to be expected, but Isa and Braig did.

 

As for Dilan/Xaldin, Even/Vexen, Aeleus/Lexaeus, and Ienzo/Zexion, they did not fall into Xehanort's control and therefore aren't threats. They might even be possible allies to the 7 "Lights."

 

Also since all of them are Xehanort, all can wield the same weapon, the Keyblade and the Laser Blades.

[Remains of Old 117]

1. dunno

 

2. They are able to cultivate new hearts inside their bodies, and even make them Xehanorts, and no, those are really Nobodys, Xigbar and Xemnas. Only if now that they have cultivated hearts inside themselves they are able to be called ''humans''.

 

3.dunno too

 

4. As the name says, YMX is just Master Xehanort when he was younger, they're the same person, but from diferent times. And i guess they are able to wield different keyblades.

 

5.Since Terra became Xehanort on the end of BBS, Eraqus were already inside him, so yeah, i guess if one somehow saves Terra, one can save Eraqus too. And i don't think they will be from the new Organization, however, i just imagined a scene, like, in KH3, in which Aqua fights a hooded Terra, somehow

 

6.I don't think they are ''under his control', they're kind of becaming Xehanorts of their own, and yes, they acquire Xehanorts look.

 

7. Nope, i don't think anyone has even defeated Julius yet.

[Master Xehanort1690 39]

I've been a Mysterious Figure/Heartless/Nobody theorist from the very beginning, but now a million new questions popped up out of nowhere. So, explain to me some things, if you can...

 

1. I only watched it once (since I'm waiting for the translated scene where old man Xehanort is talking to Riku and Mickey,) but I could of swore I saw Young Xehanort, alive, after Riku defeated him, on one of the thrones, in the part of the scene when all of the new Organization members are disappearing from the room. (long sentence...) Did I see that right?

 

2. Xigbar and Xemnas explained that the members of the Organization acquired hearts. If that is possible, does that mean that they split into entirely new Heartless' and Nobodies, or are the Xemnas and Xigbar we saw Somebodies now? (Humans?)

 

3. (I'm sure people have asked this already) Old man Xehanort appeared in the same room as Ansem: Seeker of Darkness, and Xemnas, even though they are "supposed" to be the Heartless and Nobody of Terra (possessed by old man Xehanort's heart.) Could it be possible that reunited beings could control the halves they split into, as well as their original body?

 

4. Old man Xehanort and Young Xehanort both have Keyblades of their own, and of course, Young Xehanort used the "No Name" Keyblade. Could they be two entirely different beings, or could they have the same ability as Sora and Riku, meaning that they can wield multiple Keyblades?

 

5. If old man Xehanort is back as a Somebody, and Ansem: SOD and Xemnas are possibly Somebodies, does that mean that Ansem: SOD and Xemnas could possibly have Eraqus' and Terra's hearts within themselves? Or do you think that Terra and Eraqus could possibly be possessed members of the new Organization?

 

6. And last, did I hear right that every member of the new Organization is under Xehanort's control, and have the whole yellow eyes, pointy ears and silver/grey hair deal?

 

7. Was the second secret boss revealed yet?

 

1. Yes he's still alive. He was sitting on one of the throne chairs.

 

2. No, it just means that nobody's are capable of having hearts as well, but it takes a while to develop them, which would explain why Axel had emotions and fellings when he was a nobody.

 

3. I'm not sure about this one.

 

4. They're the same person, but from two completely different time lines. YMX may have not gained the keyblade MX(old man) uses yet.

 

5. Ansem and Xemnas aren't somebodies. They're back because YMX went to alternate timelines and pretty much took them from there.

 

6. We don't know if the'yre being controlled or if they chose of their own free will, but they are meant to be transformed into Xehanorts.

 

7. The secret boss is a giant pete from runaway brain.

 

Hope this helps.

[atheist123 583]

I've been a Mysterious Figure/Heartless/Nobody theorist from the very beginning, but now a million new questions popped up out of nowhere. So, explain to me some things, if you can...

 

1. I only watched it once (since I'm waiting for the translated scene where old man Xehanort is talking to Riku and Mickey,) but I could of swore I saw Young Xehanort, alive, after Riku defeated him, on one of the thrones, in the part of the scene when all of the new Organization members are disappearing from the room. (long sentence...) Did I see that right?

 

2. Xigbar and Xemnas explained that the members of the Organization acquired hearts. If that is possible, does that mean that they split into entirely new Heartless' and Nobodies, or are the Xemnas and Xigbar we saw Somebodies now? (Humans?)

 

3. (I'm sure people have asked this already) Old man Xehanort appeared in the same room as Ansem: Seeker of Darkness, and Xemnas, even though they are "supposed" to be the Heartless and Nobody of Terra (possessed by old man Xehanort's heart.) Could it be possible that reunited beings could control the halves they split into, as well as their original body?

 

4. Old man Xehanort and Young Xehanort both have Keyblades of their own, and of course, Young Xehanort used the "No Name" Keyblade. Could they be two entirely different beings, or could they have the same ability as Sora and Riku, meaning that they can wield multiple Keyblades?

 

5. If old man Xehanort is back as a Somebody, and Ansem: SOD and Xemnas are possibly Somebodies, does that mean that Ansem: SOD and Xemnas could possibly have Eraqus' and Terra's hearts within themselves? Or do you think that Terra and Eraqus could possibly be possessed members of the new Organization?

 

6. And last, did I hear right that every member of the new Organization is under Xehanort's control, and have the whole yellow eyes, pointy ears and silver/grey hair deal?

 

7. Was the second secret boss revealed yet?

 

1) He's alive . . . After all Xemnas survived taking a beating from Sora in KHII so just because you defeat someone in battle doesn't mean they're dead or else MX would have died a long time ago.

 

2) I think that it is possible for Nobodies to have Nobodies . .. just because I hate the gathering diff. Xehanort plot : P

 

3) They all have Xehanorts mind so they are all connected in a sense. Dont know about ESP but maybe . . . but they all have the same goals etc. AX would have all his memories as a heartless and nobody so would know everything that they thought/plotted. But can Sora control Roxas? Xehanort may be more powerful but we really dont know. My guess would be no, but they would act like they are being controlled by one person.

 

4) YMX has no body . . .thats how he time travels. He isn't from a different timeline, he's from the same timeline as MX. YMX will never grow into MX. MX is the grown up form of the empty vessel that was left behind when YMX rejected his body to time travel. The empty vessel grew a heart when he left Destiny Islands . . . it probably has something to do with his Guardian. The Guardian would have shaped Young Xehanorts heart into something of total darkness.

 

5) "Xemnas" is the Xemnas that Sora defeated's Nobody. Ansem Seaker of Darkness is the manifestation of the remnants of Ansem SoD that remained in Rikus heart. When Riku changed form back from his Ansem body to his regular body, the body that was "destroyed" by Ansem the Wises decoder started acting like Ansem SoD.

 

6) None of the transformations have been completed but going on some of Xemnas' actions in Days the original vessels personalities will affect their actions in a sense. And, yes they will have the ears and eyes/ silver hair.

 

7) Explained above.

Edited April 1, 2012 by atheist123

[Bizarro 10]

1. Yes he's still alive. He was sitting on one of the throne chairs.

 

2. No, it just means that nobody's are capable of having hearts as well, but it takes a while to develop them, which would explain why Axel had emotions and fellings when he was a nobody.

 

3. I'm not sure about this one.

 

4. They're the same person, but from two completely different time lines. YMX may have not gained the keyblade MX(old man) uses yet.

 

5. Ansem and Xemnas aren't somebodies. They're back because YMX went to alternate timelines and pretty much took them from there.

 

6. We don't know if the'yre being controlled or if they chose of their own free will, but they are meant to be transformed into Xehanorts.

 

7. The secret boss is a giant pete from runaway brain.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Pretty much this.

 

4) YMX has no body . . .thats how he time travels. He isn't from a different timeline, he's from the same timeline as MX. YMX will never grow into MX. MX is the grown up form of the empty vessel that was left behind when YMX rejected his body to time travel. The empty vessel grew a heart when he left Destiny Islands . . . it probably has something to do with his Guardian. The Guardian would have shaped Young Xehanorts heart into something of total darkness.

 

This is wrong. The first to accomplish time-travelling was Ansem SoD, and only when he'd discarded his body (he'd presumably lost that ability when acquiring Riku's body) - however, YMX's circumstances are still fairly unknown at the moment and there's been nothing to suggest he discarded his body at all. Also, Master Xehanort is NOT a Nobody; there's nothing to imply he was ever an empty vessel at any point.

[atheist123 583]

Pretty much this.

 

 

 

This is wrong. The first to accomplish time-travelling was Ansem SoD, and only when he'd discarded his body (he'd presumably lost that ability when acquiring Riku's body) - however, YMX's circumstances are still fairly unknown at the moment and there's been nothing to suggest he discarded his body at all. Also, Master Xehanort is NOT a Nobody; there's nothing to imply he was ever an empty vessel at any point.

 

My point is there is no way of telling if someone is or is not a Nobody since they can regain their hearts, essentially becoming a true person again except with a different heart.

[Bizarro 10]

According to the translations, it's not that simple. The hearts of Nobodies were compared to "buds" that needed to be cultivated, which is a far cry from the hearts of a whole person. While it's true that they can grow hearts of their own and are capable of feeling emotion, I take it they're very much still distinctively a race/subrace of Nobodies. Xemnas, for example, uses the element of Nothingness and harbors control over the inhuman Sorcerer Nobodies despite having a heart himself. Axel obviously had a heart, but he always had those markings under his eyes until he became Lea again.

 

Besides, YMX never splits off from MX, he returns to his time at the end of the game and grows into MX himself. The subtitles of the ending flat-out state this.

Edited April 2, 2012 by Bizarro

[ssceles 134]

It's hard to merely 'grow into yourself' when you've come across a mountain of information about your entire future all at once. But then again, no wonder he's crazy. If Xehanort from timeline A went back and bothered timeline B, his past self, then the little Xehanort we see in KH3D is timeline B. It can't easily be explained to us how he magically came across these powers to begin with, only that he did on timeline A and he gave them to himself even earlier on timeline B, and made him in charge of making sure the future ended up better. He could do this an innumerable amount of times and we'd never know about it in the present, all we can really see is that he's getting crazier and crazier with his obsession each time. That, and, all the timelines are still happening all at once. He was defeated, and then suddenly, magically, he was back again. Not for the first time, either, might I add.

 

That's about all I have to input. Time travel is... crazy. I had a feeling this might happen immediately going from the Hall of the Cornerstone mess in KH2 to Terra's awkward deja vu flashforwards in Birth by Sleep he shouldn't have been having. It was no surprise to me to see the secret boss could stop and reverse time and it was equally no surprise to me that he was some form of Xehanort. I'm slightly upset I was accurate on these points, especially after I had my theories on it trashed time and time again on other forums, only to be right, in the end.

 

At this point I'm too tired to speculate further. I'm sorry I can't answer any of your questions specifically, but the scene you were wanting subtitled has been by now.

[Shazzam 142]

Regarding the second secret boss, I saw Riku fighting a frog prince-like nitemare on a couple of videos. One was at the City of Bells and another was at the Symphony of Sorcery. The boss had a boat load of HP like the Julius secret boss. I heard that it escapes from the battle and is difficult to track.