KH3D [Spoilers] Ending and Secret Ending Questions (A lot)

[Skai 3,961]

1. How many games have they hinted on now?

Reconnect?

Birth By Sleep 2?

and the 7 year long-waited game Kingdom Hearts 3?

 

2. From the ending we can fully assume Sora went back to the Dream Realm. What's the purpose? Is he retaking the exam or trying to find new power? Or trying to save those connected to his heart?

 

3. Who are the 13 bodies Xehanort used to make the new Organization 13 ("13 Darknesses")?

So far the only faces shown are

Terra that looks like Ansem SoD.

His own body, Geezernort who was the Young Silver Haired Boy.

Xemnas, but whose body is that?

Braig/Xigbar

Isa/Saix

Who else?

Possibly,

Dilan/Xaldin

Even/Vexen

Aeleus/Lexaeus

Ienzo/Zexion

????/Demyx

??????/Larxene

???????/Marluxia

And one more person.

 

It can't be the other ex-members

Lea/Axel because he is a "Light"

Sora/Roxas because Sora was saved by Lea, but did Xehanort successfully make one out of him when he made his heart sink to darkness?

Xion because she wasn't an official member and was only a back to Roxas and she doesn't have a body.

 

4. Who do you think the characters are gonna be for BBS2 and Reconnect?

 

5. I know they are trying to save Terra, Ven, Aqua, Roxas, Xion, but what about Eraqus (Which btw is an anagram for Square)? He didn't die for sure, and probably was sent somewhere like the Realm of Darkness, Dreams, etc. He is a master and could be valuable if needed.

 

6. In BBS, if you read Xehanort's Letter, they mention they had a master, in fact the Master. You think he'll play a part in this?

 

7. Do you think there will be a Second Keyblade War?

 

8. If they are going to protect the 7 pure lights, does that mean they are going to revisit all those worlds?

 

9. Do you think they are going to make BBS2 and Reconnect before 3? I know everyone is tired of waiting.

 

10. Who is Red Eyes? Everyone says it's Vanitas, but have they truly revealed it?

 

11. Who is the Mysterious Figure or now called Unknown from BBS? Did they reveal it in 3D? If they did, where?

 

Sorry for all these questions, haha. I'm just really curious.

[Nobodys 1]

I have a question too *I haven't been watching everything*; How did Lea/Axel return along with the organization. Once again I haven't been watching everything so don't be harsh(:

[Spencer Ellis Norman 63]

Red Eyes is a manifestation of the Nightmare Sora was having while he was asleep in TWTNW. There most likely will be a second war, i dont want there to be but think about it, if Nort makes 13 of himself, thats 13 crazy ass old Keyblade Masters. Are you serious? Thats gonna be crazy man. Im not too sure on who the Mysterious Fig is yet but he knows Xehanort and Ansem SoD.

[Waller-pearson 60]

I have a question too *I haven't been watching everything*; How did Lea/Axel return along with the organization. Once again I haven't been watching everything so don't be harsh(:

 

hes not with org. he is a good guy now

[Remains of Old 117]

1.

For me, Reconnect is 3.

And yes, BBSv2, which will probably be the next game.

 

2.I think he went to give a visit to his fellow Dream Eaters, somehow.

 

3. I honestly don't know, just too much for my mortal brain.

 

4. BBS2, Riku, Kairi, Aqua and Terra.

Reconnect, i don't know, i'll wait until BBS2

 

5. If i remember it correct, he's inside Terra, which is inside Xehanort, so, he will probably appear when Terra's saved.

 

6. I read just a few of his Letters/reports, so i'll get my PSP for that later.

 

7. I do, probably it will be KH3 main story, a war. But Nomura's a genius troll, so i don't know.

 

8. I don't think so.

 

9. See 1.

 

10. I remember people saying it's just a Dream Eater, but i don't know.

 

11. If i remember properly, they're both Master Xehanort from other times.

If Geezernort, the ''main'' Xehanort has like, some 60 years old, MF from BBS must be 20 or 30, and YMX from 3D about 16 years old.

[Nobodys 1]

hes not with org. he is a good guy now

 

I know that part but I mean didn't he die in kh 2?

[Remains of Old 117]

He's now a human, a somebody again, as Lea.

[Nobodys 1]

But how did he become a somebody again?

[Skai 3,961]

1.

For me, Reconnect is 3.

And yes, BBSv2, which will probably be the next game.

 

2.I think he went to give a visit to his fellow Dream Eaters, somehow.

 

3. I honestly don't know, just too much for my mortal brain.

 

4. BBS2, Riku, Kairi, Aqua and Terra.

Reconnect, i don't know, i'll wait until BBS2

 

5. If i remember it correct, he's inside Terra, which is inside Xehanort, so, he will probably appear when Terra's saved.

 

6. I read just a few of his Letters/reports, so i'll get my PSP for that later.

 

7. I do, probably it will be KH3 main story, a war. But Nomura's a genius troll, so i don't know.

 

8. I don't think so.

 

9. See 1.

 

10. I remember people saying it's just a Dream Eater, but i don't know.

 

11. If i remember properly, they're both Master Xehanort from other times.

If Geezernort, the ''main'' Xehanort has like, some 60 years old, MF from BBS must be 20 or 30, and YMX from 3D about 16 years old.

 

10. Red Eyes appeared in the Secret Ending of BBS:FM and Aqua had to fight him. If he's a dream eater he shouldn't have been there.

 

11. Yea but that doesn't explain why that bad ass boss, MF didn't wield a Keyblade when you fought him in BBS. Yea, I agree that he is from a different time though because he appears like he fades in.

 

But how did he become a somebody again?

 

Just like Xehanort, Lea was reborned because his heartless, where ever it was, was killed and the Nobody also. So the two pieces reformed him. Just like Ansem SOD and Xemnas reformed Xehanort.

[Tom 437]

1. How many games have they hinted on now?

Reconnect?

Birth By Sleep 2?

and the 7 year long-waited game Kingdom Hearts 3?

 

2. From the ending we can fully assume Sora went back to the Dream Realm. What's the purpose? Is he retaking the exam or trying to find new power? Or trying to save those connected to his heart?

 

3. Who are the 13 bodies Xehanort used to make the new Organization 13 ("13 Darknesses")?

So far the only faces shown are

Terra that looks like Ansem SoD.

His own body, Geezernort who was the Young Silver Haired Boy.

Xemnas, but whose body is that?

Braig/Xigbar

Isa/Saix

Who else?

Possibly,

Dilan/Xaldin

Even/Vexen

Aeleus/Lexaeus

Ienzo/Zexion

????/Demyx

??????/Larxene

???????/Marluxia

And one more person.

 

It can't be the other ex-members

Lea/Axel because he is a "Light"

Sora/Roxas because Sora was saved by Lea, but did Xehanort successfully make one out of him when he made his heart sink to darkness?

Xion because she wasn't an official member and was only a back to Roxas and she doesn't have a body.

 

4. Who do you think the characters are gonna be for BBS2 and Reconnect?

 

5. I know they are trying to save Terra, Ven, Aqua, Roxas, Xion, but what about Eraqus (Which btw is an anagram for Square)? He didn't die for sure, and probably was sent somewhere like the Realm of Darkness, Dreams, etc. He is a master and could be valuable if needed.

 

6. In BBS, if you read Xehanort's Letter, they mention they had a master, in fact the Master. You think he'll play a part in this?

 

7. Do you think there will be a Second Keyblade War?

 

8. If they are going to protect the 7 pure lights, does that mean they are going to revisit all those worlds?

 

9. Do you think they are going to make BBS2 and Reconnect before 3? I know everyone is tired of waiting.

 

10. Who is Red Eyes? Everyone says it's Vanitas, but have they truly revealed it?

 

11. Who is the Mysterious Figure or now called Unknown from BBS? Did they reveal it in 3D? If they did, where?

 

Sorry for all these questions, haha. I'm just really curious.

 

Oh boy.

 

1. The only game that has been truly hinted is Kingdom Hearts 3. Reconnect and Birth by Sleep 2, I think, is the same thing. While Nomura hints at a game for it, nobody knows for sure. If it comes out, it's most likely going to hit the PS Vista, because Nomura's a jackass.

 

2. He's retaking the exam because he failed the Mark of Mastery. While we don't know exactly all the information, because not everything is subbed, you can easily observe that he failed because of falling to darkness, having to be rescued by Riku, etc. And judging at this point, he is literally going into the Realm of Sleep, rather than let his conscious go to it (since he does not appear in his younger self at the end).

 

3. My assumption for Team Xehanort here is:

 

Master Xehanort

Young Master Xehanort

Terranort (the revived form of Xehanort, whatever it's going to look like)

Braig

Isa

Vanitas

Xemnas

Ansem

Demyx

Luxord

Marluxia

Larxene

And possibly another form of Xehanort.

 

That's 13. Now to explain a bit. Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene are up there because they haven't been shown and I get this feeling that they now part Xehanort. To be honest, if there were more forms of Xehanort to take their places (I mean literal forms of Xehanort), then I think it would get too confusing. As for the ones that were revived, but were at Radiant Garden, they are not a part of the plan. Instead, they can be considered the "good" ones. They are Dilan, Even, Aeleus, and Even. When Goofy mentions that Lea goes back to Radiant Garden, I believe that Lea is rounding those guys up to help fight against Xehanort, since they are not under his control.

 

As for the whole YMX = MX, technically it's true that they are the same person, but not the same entity. YMX can be considered as a Xehanort from a different timeline that Ansem picked up when he time traveled. So yeah.

 

4. Assuming they're making the game, it would be mostly Aqua, Riku, Mickey, maybe Xehanort himself. Who knows.

 

5. Eraqus' heart is actually with Terra's, and I believe Terra's heart is within Riku at this point, since Nomura mentions that a piece of Terra is still inside Riku. Just a thought.

 

6. Nah. They won't go into Master Xehanort's younger past. It would cool, but that's not a likely no.

 

7. I think I speak for everyone that they're going to be a huge epic, final battle in KH3, but I don't think it would be a Second Keyblade War. Maybe in the new series they'll show a Second or the past Keyblade War.

 

8. Not exactly. We don't if a Princess gets captured and we don't get to see their world, idk. We might, depending on what KH3 is ran on, like PS3/360/Wii. With its engine and memory, it might hold a lot of worlds. That'll be a long time before we get to see it.

 

9. They have to LOL. If it explains plot holes, you got to make it before the final one to make sure it makes sense.

 

10. It's a Nightmare, a more humanoid version. If anyone tells you it's Vanitas, please don't believe them. They think it's Vanitas because it has red eyes (when the Nightmares have the same exact eyes as Red-Eyed Unknown), and Vanitas originally had red eyes when he was...well born without a face and stuff. It gets tiring to see people call it Vanitas http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png

 

11. That's Young Master Xehanort, the one I mentioned eariler. He is the same Xehanort, just from a different timeline....ish. It's kinda complicated now and subtitles are still being rolled in. But assuming that, this was shown at the very end of KH3D when they are gathered in the place with the seats.

 

But yeah, that's all your questions answered.

[Remains of Old 117]

Oh, i'm confused, do you mean, the red eyes, that beast heartless thing, the boss of the secret ending, is the same as the red eyed thing on the organization Cloak of 3D? Sorry anyway.

 

I think that MF from BBS was way more confident about his abilities with light sabers and stuff, also

YMX, on the boss fight of 3D, first used the No Name keyblade, and then he start using light saber, like, he thinks it's a better weapon to finish that fight

And the MF on BBS was using the lightsabers right away, like to kill TAV right away, and make his plans easier to complete.

 

However, i don't see why he would fight Ventus, if that's the case.

 

Anyway, don't forget Nomura said Xemnas could use a Keyblade, but he didn't knew how, just like Lea, he said it was hard to summon the Keyblade.

So maybe that's also the case of BBS Mysterious Figure: He didn't knew how to summon it.

[Nobodys 1]

10. Red Eyes appeared in the Secret Ending of BBS:FM and Aqua had to fight him. If he's a dream eater he shouldn't have been there.

 

11. Yea but that doesn't explain why that bad ass boss, MF didn't wield a Keyblade when you fought him in BBS. Yea, I agree that he is from a different time though because he appears like he fades in.

 

 

 

Just like Xehanort, Lea was reborned because his heartless, where ever it was, was killed and the Nobody also. So the two pieces reformed him. Just like Ansem SOD and Xemnas reformed Xehanort.

 

OMG thanks now I get it what about the organization o: how did they come back? Sorry for the questions I'm curious

[atheist123 583]

Just like Xehanort, Lea was reborned because his heartless, where ever it was, was killed and the Nobody also. So the two pieces reformed him. Just like Ansem SOD and Xemnas reformed Xehanort.

 

I dont like the whole "his heartless was destroyed then his Nobody was" as Nobody's have hearts . . . but we have no proper explaination. Hopefully Nomura will clear things up.

[Remains of Old 117]

Well, i don't really know too much about Xehanort being able to travel between Time and Space/Realms and other stuff, but about the ''original'' members, their Heartless ( Maybe sora stepped trough Braig's heartless on kingdom hearts 1 and didn't even knew it, for example ) and Nobody self were eliminated, When Heartless and Nobody ''dies'', the original one appears.

 

Which makes me think, are Kingdom Hearts characters imortal or something? Because, you kill him, a heartless and maybe a nobody appears, you kill these two new forms, and the original one revives?

[Spencer Ellis Norman 63]

Oh, i'm confused, do you mean, the red eyes, that beast heartless thing, the boss of the secret ending, is the same as the red eyed thing on the organization Cloak of 3D? Sorry anyway.

 

I think that MF from BBS was way more confident about his abilities with light sabers and stuff, also

YMX, on the boss fight of 3D, first used the No Name keyblade, and then he start using light saber, like, he thinks it's a better weapon to finish that fight

And the MF on BBS was using the lightsabers right away, like to kill TAV right away, and make his plans easier to complete.

 

However, i don't see why he would fight Ventus, if that's the case.

 

Anyway, don't forget Nomura said Xemnas could use a Keyblade, but he didn't knew how, just like Lea, he said it was hard to summon the Keyblade.

So maybe that's also the case of BBS Mysterious Figure: He didn't knew how to summon it.

 

The character is part of the story but the fight isnt, it was just for fun.

[atheist123 583]

Well, i don't really know too much about Xehanort being able to travel between Time and Space/Realms and other stuff, but about the ''original'' members, their Heartless ( Maybe sora stepped trough Braig's heartless on kingdom hearts 1 and didn't even knew it, for example ) and Nobody self were eliminated, When Heartless and Nobody ''dies'', the original one appears.

 

Which makes me think, are Kingdom Hearts characters imortal or something? Because, you kill him, a heartless and maybe a nobody appears, you kill these two new forms, and the original one revives?

 

I think people have to be killed in a certain way for a a heartless/nobody to form, like heart freed by keyblade or killed by heartless. Eraqus doesn't have a heartless/nobody as of now but if he did then immortality is very probable but Xehanort is meant to die in KH3, so yeah.

[Remains of Old 117]

I think people have to be killed in a certain way for a a heartless/nobody to form, like heart freed by keyblade or killed by heartless. Eraqus doesn't have a heartless/nobody as of now but if he did then immortality is very probable but Xehanort is meant to die in KH3, so yeah.

 

Oh yeah, when Eraqus dies his heart don't even appear onscreen, i see that means something.

Leon should just shoot a bullet on every single Nort head, then.

[Skai 3,961]

OMG thanks now I get it what about the organization o: how did they come back? Sorry for the questions I'm curious

 

Same thing!

Oh boy.

 

1. The only game that has been truly hinted is Kingdom Hearts 3. Reconnect and Birth by Sleep 2, I think, is the same thing. While Nomura hints at a game for it, nobody knows for sure. If it comes out, it's most likely going to hit the PS Vista, because Nomura's a jackass.

 

2. He's retaking the exam because he failed the Mark of Mastery. While we don't know exactly all the information, because not everything is subbed, you can easily observe that he failed because of falling to darkness, having to be rescued by Riku, etc. And judging at this point, he is literally going into the Realm of Sleep, rather than let his conscious go to it (since he does not appear in his younger self at the end).

 

3. My assumption for Team Xehanort here is:

 

Master Xehanort

Young Master Xehanort

Terranort (the revived form of Xehanort, whatever it's going to look like)

Braig

Isa

Vanitas

Xemnas

Ansem

Demyx

Luxord

Marluxia

Larxene

And possibly another form of Xehanort.

 

That's 13. Now to explain a bit. Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene are up there because they haven't been shown and I get this feeling that they now part Xehanort. To be honest, if there were more forms of Xehanort to take their places (I mean literal forms of Xehanort), then I think it would get too confusing. As for the ones that were revived, but were at Radiant Garden, they are not a part of the plan. Instead, they can be considered the "good" ones. They are Dilan, Even, Aeleus, and Even. When Goofy mentions that Lea goes back to Radiant Garden, I believe that Lea is rounding those guys up to help fight against Xehanort, since they are not under his control.

 

As for the whole YMX = MX, technically it's true that they are the same person, but not the same entity. YMX can be considered as a Xehanort from a different timeline that Ansem picked up when he time traveled. So yeah.

 

4. Assuming they're making the game, it would be mostly Aqua, Riku, Mickey, maybe Xehanort himself. Who knows.

 

5. Eraqus' heart is actually with Terra's, and I believe Terra's heart is within Riku at this point, since Nomura mentions that a piece of Terra is still inside Riku. Just a thought.

 

6. Nah. They won't go into Master Xehanort's younger past. It would cool, but that's not a likely no.

 

7. I think I speak for everyone that they're going to be a huge epic, final battle in KH3, but I don't think it would be a Second Keyblade War. Maybe in the new series they'll show a Second or the past Keyblade War.

 

8. Not exactly. We don't if a Princess gets captured and we don't get to see their world, idk. We might, depending on what KH3 is ran on, like PS3/360/Wii. With its engine and memory, it might hold a lot of worlds. That'll be a long time before we get to see it.

 

9. They have to LOL. If it explains plot holes, you got to make it before the final one to make sure it makes sense.

 

10. It's a Nightmare, a more humanoid version. If anyone tells you it's Vanitas, please don't believe them. They think it's Vanitas because it has red eyes (when the Nightmares have the same exact eyes as Red-Eyed Unknown), and Vanitas originally had red eyes when he was...well born without a face and stuff. It gets tiring to see people call it Vanitas http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png

 

11. That's Young Master Xehanort, the one I mentioned eariler. He is the same Xehanort, just from a different timeline....ish. It's kinda complicated now and subtitles are still being rolled in. But assuming that, this was shown at the very end of KH3D when they are gathered in the place with the seats.

 

But yeah, that's all your questions answered.

 

Thanks, so the Nightmare Red Eyes is different from BBS:FM Red eyes?

 

I hate that they involved time travel in this mess. There are like 3 Xehanorts from 3 different timelines now, I believe.

 

Yea I just found out too that Even, Ienzo, Dilan, and Aeleus aren't a threat, so we can only assume they are on the other side or just spectators.

 

Yea he said KH3 would be the end of the Xehanort Saga, but Nomura didn't state KH3 would be the next game, so yea.

 

And to add on that, what comes after the Xehanort Saga? I mean I thought it would be the reason why Xehanort was doing this, but it is explained that he told himself by going back to the past. So it's probably going to be about the beginning and the keyblade war.

[Uncle Dolan 963]

I'd like to first off say that there is no such thing as 'Birth by Sleep Volume 2' or 'Reconnect'. And as Red Eyes was never revealed to be anything.

[Skai 3,961]

Xehanort can travel through time, but he had to sacrifice his body to go back and tell his youngself. So he was only a heart. This can explain the nobody being formed from his empty shell of a body. Then he took over Riku's body and that explains how he became an entity in KH1.

[Tom 437]

Same thing!

 

Thanks, so the Nightmare Red Eyes is different from BBS:FM Red eyes?

 

I hate that they involved time travel in this mess. There are like 3 Xehanorts from 3 different timelines now, I believe.

 

Yea I just found out too that Even, Ienzo, Dilan, and Aeleus aren't a threat, so we can only assume they are on the other side or just spectators.

 

Yea he said KH3 would be the end of the Xehanort Saga, but Nomura didn't state KH3 would be the next game, so yea.

 

And to add on that, what comes after the Xehanort Saga? I mean I thought it would be the reason why Xehanort was doing this, but it is explained that he told himself by going back to the past. So it's probably going to be about the beginning and the keyblade war.

 

The Red Eyes in BBS: FM is different. It is a Heartless that was in the Realm of Darkness, and I believe it is the Realm's sort of like owner of it. I guess you can call it that. It's name is not official, but it's Hunter of the Darkness based on the music. For more, just check this out http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter_of_the_Dark.

 

As for the Red-Eyed Unknown we have is a Nightmare. Dream Eaters are basically the Heartless of the Realm of Sleep, so to speak. They are darkness entities that eat dreams. As for it's classifcation, the Nightmares eat the good dreams and implant bad ones, and the Spirits eat the bad dreams and implant the good ones. That's all there is to it.

 

There should be 2 Xehanorts at this point. The old one and the younger one. If there's more, blame Nomura lol.

 

I think those guys will help. If you add them with Axel to the seven lights, you get 13. 13 vs 13 sounds fair now. I hope they do this.

 

He didn't, but it can assumed. We have to wait and see.

 

What's after the Xehanort Saga? A new saga. Sora will be the main character of it of course. We won't know for sure what it is, but it might have to do with Keyblade Wars. Maybe they'll finally introduce importance of the soul, besides help making the Nobody. Those are my thoughts.

[Skai 3,961]

The Red Eyes in BBS: FM is different. It is a Heartless that was in the Realm of Darkness, and I believe it is the Realm's sort of like owner of it. I guess you can call it that. It's name is not official, but it's Hunter of the Darkness based on the music. For more, just check this out http://kingdomhearts...ter_of_the_Dark.

 

As for the Red-Eyed Unknown we have is a Nightmare. Dream Eaters are basically the Heartless of the Realm of Sleep, so to speak. They are darkness entities that eat dreams. As for it's classifcation, the Nightmares eat the good dreams and implant bad ones, and the Spirits eat the bad dreams and implant the good ones. That's all there is to it.

 

There should be 2 Xehanorts at this point. The old one and the younger one. If there's more, blame Nomura lol.

 

I think those guys will help. If you add them with Axel to the seven lights, you get 13. 13 vs 13 sounds fair now. I hope they do this.

 

He didn't, but it can assumed. We have to wait and see.

 

What's after the Xehanort Saga? A new saga. Sora will be the main character of it of course. We won't know for sure what it is, but it might have to do with Keyblade Wars. Maybe they'll finally introduce importance of the soul, besides help making the Nobody. Those are my thoughts.

 

Lea is already part of the "Lights"

So the 13 on the side of light would be?

Sora

Riku

Mickey

Kairi

Lea

Aqua, if she is saved from the realm of darkness

Ven, when his heart is restored

Donald

Goofy

+

Aeleus

Ienzo

Even

Dilan

 

is that the 13 you are talking about?

 

It can't be Eraqus because his heart is in Terra, Terra's Heart is in Riku

Terra's body is being used by one of the Xehanorts

Eraqus's body is yet to be found

Roxas isn't his own entity

Xion also

Axel and Lea have the same personality and everything so we assume Axel doesn't want to be his own person since they aren't like Sora, Roxas and Xion

Yen Sid has renounced his title

[UltimateKeybladeMaster 12]

there is no BBS Vol 2

[Final Arcana 11]

13 Darknesses:

 

1:MX

2:Braig

3:Isa

4:Xemnas

5:Ansem SoD

6:YX

7:Riku Replica?

8:Malifecent (i know sounds crazy, but she was a puppet from the beginning, so it makes sense in a way)

9:Hades? (LOL)

10:Terranort

11:Vanitas??

12:Luxord's somebody?

13:Demyx (just saying something)

 

7 Lights

 

1:Sora

2:Riku

3:Kairi

4:Mickey

5:Lea

6:Aqua

7:Ven

 

Donald and Goofy are no keyblade wielders so you can't count them, even tough their on the good side.

 

I'm actually thinking that Roxas will play a huge role in the next game(s). Considering he has a heart of his own and is made up of Ventus's body and Sora's soul.