oath of oblivion 2 Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) does anyone else think kingdom hearts is to restricted? I am just asking because I think if the kingdom hearts series had as much time put into it as final fantasy then kingdom hearts would surpass ff. I know they have been making versus 13 but kingdom hearts have been substantially forgotten about when you compare kingdom hearts with final fantasy. I am just saying kingdom hearts 3 should be completely epic, super cinematic, and more than double the playtime of dream drop distance because of the long wait/amount of side games between 2&3 and it needs to grow up a little bit... because I really do not like the idea of dream eaters its just too colorful... and it should be a little more serious. anyway I would love to get some feedback/ other peoples opinions. thanks! Edited March 27, 2012 by oath of oblivion 1 Nikolasvanitas reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob 5,571 Posted March 27, 2012 Cool story bro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyblade Master Xoncron 499 Posted March 27, 2012 Personally I just want to bash normal old heartless and nobodies again (instead of the data copies we fought in Re:coded). 2 Nikolasvanitas and SHADOWPAIN reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikolasvanitas 358 Posted March 27, 2012 give me flashy moves to beat heartless,nobodies,unversed, and disney/final fantasy bosses,thats what i want 1 SHADOWPAIN reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CGEire 31 Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) I hope they include the Disney characters in the final battle. One thing I didn't like about Kingdom Hearts II is that the Disney worlds felt so disconnected from everything else. I really loved running into Beast in Hollow Bastion in the original Kingdom Hearts. It was cool seeing a Disney character like him having travelled to a far off world for his own reasons. It'd be great to see a bunch of the characters that Sora has helped in the past, teaming up and repaying the favour by helping him and the others to finish Xehanort for good. Edited March 27, 2012 by CGEire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ssceles 134 Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) I'm going to give you my tl;dr first. (So instead of a 'too long, didn't read' it's a 'too long, don't read'. Unless of course you want to. =| I dunno, it's almost 5am and I haven't slept. I tend to ramble.) tl;dr - Long post is long. I disagreed with what you had to say. So I ranted. The two aren't able to be compared because one is a series of related games, the other is a series of unrelated games. Keep in mind that each Final Fantasy numbered game is set up as an individual game, unconnected to the others. Fans of 7 may not be fans of 9. Hell, fans of 7 in particular, over half of them, haven't even touched a single other Final Fantasy game that didn't in some way shape or form include Cloud. Final Fantasy 7 and the hype it created is the only single numbered Final Fantasy game to compete with Kingdom Hearts in terms of actual spinoffs associated with it. FF7 Compilation: Before Crisis > Crisis Core > Final Fantasy 7 > Advent Children > Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children Complete. Fans of 7 also really dug Dissidia and Duodecim because, well, shirtless Sephiroth, duh. Kingdom Hearts Compilation: Birth by Sleep > Kingdom Hearts > Chain of Memories > Kingdom Hearts II > KH Mobile > 358/2 Days > re:Chain of Memories > coded > re:Coded > Birth by Sleep > Dream Drop Distance. And, oh yeah: Kingdom Hearts Final Mix +, Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix +, Birth by Sleep Final Mix +. I would EASILY say that Nomura specifically has put more time and effort into Kingdom Hearts than any individual Final Fantasy game. But there you go: Each Final Fantasy game is it's OWN thing, with the exception of 10 and 10-2 and XIII and XIII-2. Some of the early games have been lucky enough to see remakes. Otherwise? Kingdom Hearts is far more developed plot-wise because it has spanned far more games than any single Final Fantasy numbered plotline, including their poster child of FF7. Kingdom Hearts may only be a children's game but the same loveable characters span five different gaming systems, four of those being all the modern handhelds (DS, 3DS, Gameboy Advance and PSP). Each Final Fantasy game has it's own plot and there have been several lead directors and developing teams, with some carryover. The only reason why Kingdom Hearts does not surpass Final Fantasy is because it's overlooked as a children's game. Final Fantasy as an -entire- franchise is the least played of any series, I kid you not. There have been VERY few people who have played every single Final Fantasy game. Why is that? you may ask. The answer is obvious: None of the numbered titles are related to any other numbered title. You do not have to know what happened in 6 to enjoy 13, and hell, before Dissidia, most people couldn't even tell you the names of the main characters of every single title. With any other gaming series, it's quite simple: Link is the main character in all the Zelda games. Kirby is the lead character in the Kirby series. And that is the major flaw of Final Fantasy. In the past, people would see a numbered title in the store and go "Well, I haven't played the other ones, so I probably will have no idea what's going on." Little do they know, that's far from the case. Only through recent (and by recent I mean 'since 2005' or so) popularity and word of mouth did people even realize they don't need to play earlier games in the series to understand a Final Fantasy game. Because it's, at it's core, not a series when none of the titles are connected. Therefore, I'd have to say, quite simply, you're entirely wrong about Kingdom Hearts not having as much time put into it. Remixes and re-releases aside, there are -eight- games in Kingdom Hearts. The first -six- Final Fantasy games predated the PS1 until recently when they were re-released on higher platforms. Of the -seven- numbered Final Fantasy titles released since 1997, only -two- have sequels, and only FF7 has a whole series dedicated to it. In short - what are you on about? The only reason I think this series isn't any darker (and by all means, it easily could be) is because of Disney's involvement. Nomura's original ending for Dream Drop Distance was scrapped by Disney, he said so himself. It's upsetting to hear that. On a brighter note, the finished final scene in the game, Nomura later bragged, is going to be longest video segment he's put into any of his games ever. Ah, but trust me, I know where you're coming from when you wish the games were longer. Classic games just seemed to be so much longer, but maybe that's just because I was younger and didn't understand what was going on as well. The original Final Fantasy 7 spanned three PS1 discs! That's practically unheard of these days with modern games - the entire game can be fit in just one cartridge/disc. Then again, they kind of -have- to... there's no way to carry over save files from one cartridge to the next on a handheld. (With the exception of the PSP, that would have been possible.) In other news, we get two save slots for KH3D. On a final note - the recent complaint about the Final Fantasy series has been that it's a joke - both because it's too easy and because it's more like watching a movie than playing a game. As in, more video watching than fighting, and the entire game can be beaten far too quickly. Even with Kingdom Hearts, if you play things nonstop, you will be sadly disappointed on how quickly it feels like it ends, because you did not pace yourself. Some people are busy complaining re:CoM was too hard... I beat that in two days. And I got it a day early from pre-ordering it. =/ Major bummer. I do wish games were more difficult. I do wish games had more hidden easter eggs. But I wouldn't compare Kingdom Hearts series to the Final Fantasy franchise on a whole. There just isn't any comparing the two - Kingdom Hearts is a series of related games, and Final Fantasy is a franchise made of several individual games, of which, have no crossover and not only do the plot and characters not pass between each numbered title - neither do the fans (and, of course, the detail that points out that half of those games weren't even on the radar until over a decade after their release, and only THEN were they remade). Edited March 27, 2012 by ssceles 2 teh lazy prince Xylek and CGEire reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teh lazy prince Xylek 1,559 Posted March 27, 2012 Personally I just want to bash normal old heartless and nobodies again (instead of the data copies we fought in Re:coded). i kinda liked those Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replika13 455 Posted March 27, 2012 Personally I just want to bash normal old heartless and nobodies again (instead of the data copies we fought in Re:coded). Your not alone. I think we will get those in KH3, though it takes some time http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XIIISwords 1,059 Posted March 27, 2012 Final Fantasy 7 and the hype it created is the only single numbered Final Fantasy game to compete with Kingdom Hearts in terms of actual spinoffs associated with it. FF7 Compilation: Before Crisis > Crisis Core > Final Fantasy 7 > Advent Children > Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children Complete. Fans of 7 also really dug Dissidia and Duodecim because, well, shirtless Sephiroth, duh. So far the Fabula Nova Crystallis may have a chance too, especially if a Type-1 or XIII-3 is on the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
