Kinode 3,056 Posted March 21, 2012 This was pretty much a c/p from a gamefaqs post I found it pretty interesting. it was pretty much more theories supporting Isanort. ~Summary~ The "coincidences"... 1st The General Age/Appearance 2nd The Saix-Xehanort Connection 3rd BbS's MF having Saix's model, and Nomura saying that they are the same person (MF & YMX) 4th Nomura intentionally avoiding saying "who" MF is 5th Lea wondering where Isa is 6th Them showing up together in the image (2nd Image) 7th The fact that Xehanort has taken over a body before 8th It would make what YMX said to Sora about "Hearts other than your own" make more since Just a lot of "coincidence" that supports the fact that MF could be Isa with MX controlling him KMAnsem Posted... I'm all in favor of it. - Fact: Isa has a connection to Xehanort. - Fact: Isa didn't revive alongside the others, even though Lea clearly thinks he should have. - Fact: Isa is the only one of the original eight members we haven't seen so far. - Opinion: Youngnort looks incredibly like him. This is why the Lea/Isa friendship was introduced in Days. This is why they appeared in BBS. It was all setting this up. ~End Summary~ ... ~Pictures~ http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad49/Hirokey123/isanort.png http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc442/JustSnilloc/LeaIsaLeaMF.jpg http://kh13.com/zenphoto/cache/articles/famitsu-weekly/march-22-2012/03_992.jpg http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc442/JustSnilloc/organization_seats.jpg ~End Pics~ ... The third picture is the new evidence, it shows "YMX/MF" in Saix's chair The fourth picture is a reference and angle comparison of the organization's seating order PLUS http://i.imgur.com/iDZid.jpg 5 Vector, HarLea Quinn, heyitsdeven and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted March 21, 2012 I actually have had this theory for awhile so yeah i think its pretty solid . 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teh lazy prince Xylek 1,559 Posted March 21, 2012 hmmmm well...you might be on to something Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasegoblue1 4 Posted March 21, 2012 That would make so much sense! No wonder axel/lea would be so important then, because he wants to save Isa. That's too cool, my favorite theory so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heyitsdeven 131 Posted March 21, 2012 By George! 1 burnsideking24 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Truthbringer 210 Posted March 21, 2012 Huh.. Kudos, this might very well be the very truth Nomura has been trying to hide from us! Just looking at the images, i am astounded by they resemblance. Only 7 days and we will find out. 1 burnsideking24 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burnsideking24 256 Posted March 21, 2012 Wow this seems like a really solid theory. But i've gotta resist actually finding out when the JP version comes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avis Praeda 9 Posted March 21, 2012 Wow. There are so many theories about MF that I'm starting to be a bit confused :blink: I really can see the resemblance though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replika13 455 Posted March 21, 2012 nope. MF is suppose to be new character, not Isa in some weird posession. nice theory though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted March 21, 2012 nope. MF is suppose to be new character, not Isa in some weird posession. nice theory though Technically Isanort would be a new character. 4 Kinode, Robbie the Wise, Blue Rhapsody and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinode 3,056 Posted March 21, 2012 Technically Isanort would be a new character. And if we follow the "new Disney Worlds" thing It seems to work. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted March 21, 2012 And if we follow the "new Disney Worlds" thing It seems to work. Yes yes it does..The pieces all fit and it especially explains why Lea/Axel and MF(Isa) would be key characters. 3 Kinode, RobertOrri and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Xehanort1690 39 Posted March 21, 2012 Hmmmm it's possible, but highly doubtful imo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razuthor72 89 Posted March 21, 2012 Holy BAWLS. O.o this actually makes a lot of sense. Can't wait to find out for real! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waller-pearson 60 Posted March 21, 2012 This was pretty much a c/p from a gamefaqs post I found it pretty interesting. it was pretty much more theories supporting Isanort. ~Summary~ The "coincidences"... 1st The General Age/Appearance 2nd The Saix-Xehanort Connection 3rd BbS's MF having Saix's model, and Nomura saying that they are the same person (MF & YMX) 4th Nomura intentionally avoiding saying "who" MF is 5th Lea wondering where Isa is 6th Them showing up together in the image (2nd Image) 7th The fact that Xehanort has taken over a body before 8th It would make what YMX said to Sora about "Hearts other than your own" make more since Just a lot of "coincidence" that supports the fact that MF could be Isa with MX controlling him KMAnsem Posted... I'm all in favor of it. - Fact: Isa has a connection to Xehanort. - Fact: Isa didn't revive alongside the others, even though Lea clearly thinks he should have. - Fact: Isa is the only one of the original eight members we haven't seen so far. - Opinion: Youngnort looks incredibly like him. This is why the Lea/Isa friendship was introduced in Days. This is why they appeared in BBS. It was all setting this up. ~End Summary~ ... ~Pictures~ http://i920.photobuc...123/isanort.png http://i1212.photobu...LeaIsaLeaMF.jpg http://kh13.com/zenp...2012/03_992.jpg http://i1212.photobu...ation_seats.jpg ~End Pics~ ... The third picture is the new evidence, it shows "YMX/MF" in Saix's chair The fourth picture is a reference and angle comparison of the organization's seating order PLUS http://i.imgur.com/iDZid.jpg so your trying to say mysteriouf figure is saix? im confused. please clear it up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted March 21, 2012 so your trying to say mysteriouf figure is saix? im confused. please clear it up Not Saix but Isa..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woolfman1994 19 Posted March 21, 2012 Its probable.. but why would he be so loyal to Xehanort after planning a coup with axel during their the organization. The "Things" Xehanort did to Isa has been mentioned but its never been confirmed. The X on Saix's forhead could of been his choice showing his support to the organization? I know Xemmnas was using what he remembers from MX is the X which he could of drew on Isa/Saix. But why would Isa be one of the roads MX kept available?? I dont think we would be getting these answers or atleast some of them in KH3D.. 1 esumsoraroxas reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasegoblue1 4 Posted March 22, 2012 I think although this argument is very strong, I think it's hard to overlook that it may just be Young Xehanort. If you imagine a younger form of Xehanort, I think that's what I would see. The facial structure is about as close as we would think Isa's is. Also, I don't remember if Terra's eye color changed when he was taken over by Xehanort, but the mysterious figure's eyes are identical to the original Xehanorts, and have no real changes. All I'm saying, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to somehow just to be a Young MX. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted March 22, 2012 Its probable.. but why would he be so loyal to Xehanort after planning a coup with axel during their the organization. The "Things" Xehanort did to Isa has been mentioned but its never been confirmed. The X on Saix's forhead could of been his choice showing his support to the organization? I know Xemmnas was using what he remembers from MX is the X which he could of drew on Isa/Saix. But why would Isa be one of the roads MX kept available?? I dont think we would be getting these answers or atleast some of them in KH3D.. Well We know he experimented on all of them but did something obviously different with Braig and Isa hence the eyes and ears .For whatever reason id say Isa made a good 'vessel' or choice with whatever AX had in mind. It was said he planted many seeds lol. This process(although done while he was human ) probably took affect when Saix was destroyed and it altered Isas return. Which is why he didnt awaken in the lab with Lea..Since it affected him after his nobody was killed and not during the time he was a nobody he didnt have to be aligned with Xemnas..Maybe Axel and Saix wanted to take over bc they hated him for losing their hearts/ experimenting on them. I think although this argument is very strong, I think it's hard to overlook that it may just be Young Xehanort. If you imagine a younger form of Xehanort, I think that's what I would see. The facial structure is about as close as we would think Isa's is. Also, I don't remember if Terra's eye color changed when he was taken over by Xehanort, but the mysterious figure's eyes are identical to the original Xehanorts, and have no real changes. All I'm saying, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to somehow just to be a Young MX. Terras eyes were blue. Also if this is Isa, having a piece of Axs heart to possess him would cause the eyes to turn just like Terras did..It very well still could be a YMX but i think the possibility of this being Isa is pretty strong 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted March 22, 2012 Only problem I see with this is that MF is to young looking to be Isa because he would have come back as an adult like Lea. But Nomura is known for using red herrings like that. Also your theory could be the reason why Saix was 2nd in command even though Xigbar had been working with Xemnas since they were human. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted March 22, 2012 Only problem I see with this is that MF is to young looking to be Isa because he would have come back as an adult like Lea. But Nomura is known for using red herrings like that. Also your theory could be the reason why Saix was 2nd in command even though Xigbar had been working with Xemnas since they were human. Heres a thought too.. Say AX planted a piece of his heart in Isa . What if AX had Vanitas' damaged heart taking refuge in him too? This could explain the youth and when he says to Sora that 'you have Hearts other than your own TOO" ..i dunno ..that could be or couldnt be a possibility(.Vanitas and AX inside Isa) They did appear together when confronting Sora. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woolfman1994 19 Posted March 22, 2012 Well We know he experimented on all of them but did something obviously different with Braig and Isa hence the eyes and ears .For whatever reason id say Isa made a good 'vessel' or choice with whatever AX had in mind. It was said he planted many seeds lol. This process(although done while he was human ) probably took affect when Saix was destroyed and it altered Isas return. Which is why he didnt awaken in the lab with Lea..Since it affected him after his nobody was killed and not during the time he was a nobody he didnt have to be aligned with Xemnas..Maybe Axel and Saix wanted to take over bc they hated him for losing their hearts/ experimenting on them. Terras eyes were blue. Also if this is Isa, having a piece of Axs heart to possess him would cause the eyes to turn just like Terras did..It very well still could be a YMX but i think the possibility of this being Isa is pretty strong I thought he only experimented on the apprentices? Axel had the marks under his eyes which when he returned to Lea were gone. So I had thought that Saix had some sort of symbol of him being a nobody. But yeah I think your right that he must of done something that affected Isa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted March 22, 2012 I thought he only experimented on the apprentices? Axel had the marks under his eyes which when he returned to Lea were gone. So I had thought that Saix had some sort of symbol of him being a nobody. But yeah I think your right that he must of done something that affected Isa. Well we dont know exactly what went down but we do know they revive where thy lost their hearts.Lea revived in the lab and expected Isa to be there too. So if they lost their hearts in the lab they must have been experimented on too..Plus its obvious AX definitely was experimenting on Isa (the ears and golden eyes).In BBS it shows Isa and Lea trying to sneak in the castle and getting kicked out ..Sooner or later they couldve succeeded and when found ended up being experimented on. 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keystrike 145 Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) I saw this theory a while ago, and ya, it does make a lot of sense, except, not only in what was pointed out in the original post, but also what it would mean for the game's scenario. By this I mean, an effective parallel would be drawn between Sora and Riku and Lea and Isa, something I've been hoping would be flushed out in some future game. For the sake of a goal Riku and Isa became lost in the darkness, and found themselves on Xehanorts side. Both had some level of a superiority complex (to me at least), but also incredible friendships. Isa and Lea get thrown out of the castle and as annoyed as Isa appears the two proceed to finish the day with ice cream. I could only imagine Isa putting out his hand to Lea like Riku, blinded by the darkness, to Sora offering the final solution to achieve their goal when the two would become nobodies. Fastforward through the different route Isa took and it would just so happen that this would simply postpone the day Xehanort conquers Isa. Also if you didn't pick up on it, Saix appears to nearly hate Riku in days and kh2. I'd be willing to be they also faced eachother durring kh2 or days and saw their similarities in one another... but that another theory. Edited March 22, 2012 by keystrike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exodaze 491 Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Also I know Master Xehanort did say to Terra in secret ending: 'You are just one of the many roads that I might choose to take, trust me, I made certain of that' So does this means Isa is one of those roads? Also I did see a the similarities between Isa and Unknown. Edited March 22, 2012 by Exodaze Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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